Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

[Guest guest]

by " bG " is meant the photos section of this group, see the group

page, menu on the left. PHOTOS and FILES contain all you need to

freely put these things together easily from the careful, step by

step photos.

enjoy. tell your friends. even your enemies, and make some new

friends.

bG

]

>

> I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is better

> than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to benefit

> anyone.

>

> Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's device.

>

[Guest guest]

BG,

I do have one question (thank you for the enlightening article by

the way)... I can see the beneifit of on the spot treatment, I was

under the impression that a unidirectional dc current would

" electroplate " the person's skin/blood. Beck was very clear that

reversing the polarity was key to the effectiveness of

electromedicine. Ok, he was not a medical doctor, but he did have a

Phd in physics, and worked in designing electro-medical devices for

some 40 years. I'm sure he knew what he was talking about. He also had

labs that he would have subject's blood work tested, so he could

verify the results (or non-results)of his treatments. I am not trying

to take anything away from you at all sir. I don't doubt that you've

been working, in ernest, on this subject for some time. I appreciate

that someone is doing something in this field.j I would like to know,

however, how to construct a Beck zapper, so I can try the whole

protocol, and see where that leads me. I plan to build one of your

BG's for on-the-spot treatments, as you mentioned in your post. The

problem that I am encountering, is that NO ONE is willing to give up

the information on how to build a Beck device. All I get are the

schematics, and I cannot read schematics, I don't understand the

symbols. All I want is a labeled picture of the guts of a home made

unit to get my bearings so I can build one myself. The only person I

could find that was willing to provide me with such data, wanted $10

for his Beck plans (sight unseen). Dr. Beck claimed he never charged

for his device plans, so I reject that on his principle. I also do not

want to get the other individual in trouble for selling me that type

of information.

BG, you sound like an educated fellow, and far more experienced

than I, particularly in this matter. Could or would you be willing or

able to assist me in finding such plans or a labeld picture? Do you

have any information of that sort? I assure you, I am no dummy, I am

just not an electrician. I can solder, breadboard it, whatever it

takes, but I would like to build one of these for myself. And then,

once I figure out how to do it, I want to start up my own webpage (and

link it to here and prayerfully from here to there) and walk people

through the building of Beck's devices step-by-step. I just want to

help, and to keep my large family (and some very sick friends)

healthy, if I can, and God's willing.

I would greatly appreciate any help you can offer me BG. Thank

you for your time, and attention.

Joe Shelton

[Guest guest]

Thanks for explanation. I am willing to purchase one. Does anyone make these?

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

by " bG " is meant the photos section of this group, see the group

page, menu on the left. PHOTOS and FILES contain all you need to

freely put these things together easily from the careful, step by

step photos.

enjoy. tell your friends. even your enemies, and make some new

friends.

bG

]

>

> I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is better

> than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to benefit

> anyone.

>

> Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's device.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

supplies are limited!

bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

> >

> > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

better

> > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

benefit

> > anyone.

> >

> > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

device.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

If they are willing to pay you $100 for a 6' piece of wire that you pay 66 cents

for, I'll sell them the 6v lantern battery for $500 that costs me less than $3

at Sears.

Maybe we've stuck gold!

Dick

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

supplies are limited!

bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

> >

> > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

better

> > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

benefit

> > anyone.

> >

> > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

device.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've got two pieces of cloth I will sacrifice for $800 LoL I will through in a

couple pieces of scotch tape for free.

V

> Bob,

> If they are willing to pay you $100 for a 6' piece of wire that you pay

> 66 cents for, I'll sell them the 6v lantern battery for $500 that costs me

less than $3 at Sears.

> Maybe we've stuck gold!

> Dick

> Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

> Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

> ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

> Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

> days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

> minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> supplies are limited!

> bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

>

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, sure, it's about right considering legal expenses not to

mention possible prison time if it runs into trouble.

Didn't know Sears sold batteries so cheap! I was paying $10 for a

lantern battery at Safeway I think.

bG

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's

more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's got to be from the Shroud of Turin at that price.

> > > >

> > > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something

is

> > better

> > > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> > benefit

> > > > anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's

more

> > > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> > device.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It IS !!! Guaranteed to heal :-)

> It's got to be from the Shroud of Turin at that price.

>

>> I've got two pieces of cloth I will sacrifice for $800 LoL I

> will through in a couple pieces of scotch tape for free.

>> V

>>

[Guest guest]

Now V, you've got to remember your marketing--it's never " throw in for free "

it's-- " but wait--there's more. We are also including an added bonus worth

$29.95--FREE "

Samala

-------Original Message-------

I've got two pieces of cloth I will sacrifice for $800 LoL I will through in

a couple pieces of scotch tape for free.

V

[Guest guest]

It's not " for sale by owner " is it?

>

> >> I've got two pieces of cloth I will sacrifice for $800 LoL I

> > will through in a couple pieces of scotch tape for free.

> >> V

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

You guys are very sarcastic for someone who didn't have a clue how to make

these. It's too bad. Now I feel really stupid:(

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

> Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

> ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

> Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

> days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

> minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> supplies are limited!

> bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

>

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I apologize. I was hasty and thought you knew how but were, er, lazy

or something. But, it seems like the instructions and things about

this are giving problems out there.

Please let me know any ideas you have to make this more usable. I

assure you, making one of these will be a great experience if you ever

have an infection of any sort, which I hope you never do, but if you

do...I am sure the benefit will pay you back for the effort and

humiliation you spent to get one of them.

bG

>

> You guys are very sarcastic for someone who didn't have a clue how

to make these. It's too bad. Now I feel really stupid:(

>

>

> Re: Re: Wait a minute,

Better than Beck?

>

[Guest guest]

y'know, bG, I really like your style.

baby_grand wrote:

> I apologize. I was hasty and thought you knew how but were, er, lazy

> or something. But, it seems like the instructions and things about

> this are giving problems out there.

>

> Please let me know any ideas you have to make this more usable. I

> assure you, making one of these will be a great experience if you ever

> have an infection of any sort, which I hope you never do, but if you

> do...I am sure the benefit will pay you back for the effort and

> humiliation you spent to get one of them.

>

> bG

>

>

> >

> > You guys are very sarcastic for someone who didn't have a clue how

> to make these. It's too bad. Now I feel really stupid:(

> >

> >

> > Re: Re: Wait a minute,

> Better than Beck?

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I must admit,I agree... Wow... you guys did everything but

answer our questions. I asked very politely (I thought) for help in

constructing a Beck zapper, and that plea was never answered. Instead

you all went off on a tirade about the shroud of tourin. If the answer

is " no " or " I don't know, " would you at least have the courtesy of

telling me straight, and not ignoring me? I thought we alternative

health folks were supposed to be helpful, and encouraging to one

another. I am rather dissapointed. So, if anyone else has any

suggestions of where I could go to get help building a Beck zapper,

please let me know. Thank you, and may God bless you.

[Guest guest]

Hi luvspring,

Yeah you are right we are that. But we are also glad to help, and really are

a bunch of nice guys. we jsut got carried away thats all. No need to feel

stupid.... can I hold your hand?

Take care,

V

> You guys are very sarcastic for someone who didn't have a clue how to

> make these. It's too bad. Now I feel really stupid:(

> Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

> > Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> > You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

> > ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

> > Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

> > days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> > the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

> > minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> > supplies are limited!

> > bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

> >

> > > >

> > > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> > better

> > > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> > benefit

> > > > anyone.

> > > >

> > > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> > device.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi, sorry for the annoyance. We just removed the old plans for the

Beck device, but SOTA has a diagram, and I think Forrest has

some plans for it. Not sure where his website is these days, but try

the beckn'stuff group, etc. I will repost our photos on our advanced

group: 2 sometime but don't hold yr

breath. I like my design and photos better than theirs but it's been

awhile since anyone built mine, so it's gone for now.

bG

>

> Yeah, I must admit,I agree... Wow... you guys did everything but

> answer our questions. I asked very politely (I thought) for help in

> constructing a Beck zapper, and that plea was never answered. Instead

> you all went off on a tirade about the shroud of tourin. If the

answer

> is " no " or " I don't know, " would you at least have the courtesy of

> telling me straight, and not ignoring me? I thought we alternative

> health folks were supposed to be helpful, and encouraging to one

> another. I am rather dissapointed. So, if anyone else has any

> suggestions of where I could go to get help building a Beck zapper,

> please let me know. Thank you, and may God bless you.

>

[Guest guest]

Um, I think you are taking this a little too personally. When you have been

on the list long enough, you will see how we joke with each other. Or, if

you read the past messages you would have found the same thing. This is not

a Beck group--there are plenty of Beck groups out there, though, if you are

interested. I'm sure a google search would bring up plenty of information on

Beck, his unit, plans, groups, etc. Just put in a little time doing some

research yourself. I'm sure someone here can point you to a place where you

can get plans to build a Beck unit, though I don't personally know of a site

But this is a list for making something other than a Beck unit. Perhaps you

should make this and a Beck, then try them both out and see for yourself.

While you are waiting to find directions to a Beck unit, check out our

Godzilla-Germinator-whatever-new-name-it-has-now unit, build it because it's

EXTREMELY simple and cheap and WORKS, and perhaps you would decide that it

works so good you don't even need a Beck unit. I have our unit, and don't

have a Beck, and am quite happy with ours.

Samala

-------Original Message-------

Yeah, I must admit,I agree... Wow... You guys did everything but

Answer our questions. I asked very politely (I thought) for help in

Constructing a Beck zapper, and that plea was never answered. Instead

You all went off on a tirade about the shroud of tourin. If the answer

Is " no " or " I don't know, " would you at least have the courtesy of

Telling me straight, and not ignoring me? I thought we alternative

Health folks were supposed to be helpful, and encouraging to one

Another. I am rather dissapointed. So, if anyone else has any

Suggestions of where I could go to get help building a Beck zapper,

Please let me know. Thank you, and may God bless you.

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach

the

> ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

>

> Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in

30

> days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for

5

> minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> supplies are limited!

>

> bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

That's an absolute BLAST - good on ya.

Joe.

[Guest guest]

Since this list isn't about Beck, if you aren't

interested in the

simple device being discussed here, then you'd be better off over on the Beck

lists. There are at

least two that I'm aware of on .

I'm guessing you are relatively new to this whole discussion group venue for

sharing ideas. I've

found that the written word leaves a bit of nuance out, so it's hard to tell

when someone is just

joking around, or being sarcastic, or frustrated, or whatever. As it happens,

having lurked here

for a long time, I know that the topic of making the device that is discussed on

this list comes

up very regularly, and that all instructions and photos are posted. This device

is so

mind-blowingly simple to make. Yet, some people are still intimidated by it,

and ask to purchase

it from others. The problem is, I'm guessing that IF they buy it and get it in

the mail, they'll

open up the package and feel they've been ripped off. " All this is is a battery

and a couple of

wires! I could make that myself, from parts I can get at the local drugstore -

and for a lot less

money! " Which, of course, is exactly the point that some people have been

trying to make, albeit

quite sarcastically, in the last few days.

I'm sorry you were offended, but the whole gambit of offering to build you a

unit for $100, and

then charging you a restocking fee when you don't think it's " worth " that much

(and a higher fee

if you insist on returning it!) is a long-running joke on this list! It is

meant to prompt people

to look more closely at the whole process...

--- ebbcmartville <sheltonfam@...> wrote:

> Yeah, I must admit,I agree... Wow... you guys did everything but

> answer our questions. I asked very politely (I thought) for help in

> constructing a Beck zapper, and that plea was never answered. Instead

> you all went off on a tirade about the shroud of tourin. If the answer

> is " no " or " I don't know, " would you at least have the courtesy of

> telling me straight, and not ignoring me? I thought we alternative

> health folks were supposed to be helpful, and encouraging to one

> another. I am rather dissapointed. So, if anyone else has any

> suggestions of where I could go to get help building a Beck zapper,

> please let me know. Thank you, and may God bless you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sears has some for around $8 +/-, but they also had one called, " Companion Extra

Heavy Duty 6v Battery " ,

34 93439, that was $2.98. Made in China, but so are most of the others. For a

lantern they may not last as well as the known brands, but for our purposes,

they are pleanty good.

Dick

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

Well, sure, it's about right considering legal expenses not to

mention possible prison time if it runs into trouble.

Didn't know Sears sold batteries so cheap! I was paying $10 for a

lantern battery at Safeway I think.

bG

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's

more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, let's see; $100 for the wires, $500 for the battery and $800 for the

cloth, that's $1400 for a device anyone can make for themselves for less than

$5.

Now, do you really think this little chatter will stop newbies from asking if

someone will build one for them, simply because they have not read the files or

looked at the photos?

Dick

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

> Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

> ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

> Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

> days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

> minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> supplies are limited!

> bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

>

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Did you look in the photo section where it shows how to make all the devices?

The most simple one is at

http://health.ph./group//photos/browse\

/1e65.

Dick

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

> Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

> ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

> Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

> days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

> minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> supplies are limited!

> bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

>

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dick,

I have looked at all of the photos. It still confused me...I know you don't

understand that, but please try to remember when you first started learning

about all of this. As a nurse, I get frustrated when new grads don't pick up

wound care as fast as me, BUT I have to go back to when was a newbie and I gain

more patience.

I am just learning how to even use the files here. There are thousands of files.

I tried to do a search and nothing I was asking for came up, so please know that

most of us are trying to learn.

LS

Re: Wait a minute, Better than Beck?

> Yes, I sell them for $100 dollars each. Batteries not included.

> You get a piece of wire with some cloth around the ends. Attach the

> ends to the wire springs on your 6 volt battery and you're set.

> Money back guarantee: If you wish to return the piece of wire in 30

> days, there's a 15% restocking fee, 30% if you actually do return

> the used wire to me. The wire costs me 66 cents, and my labor for 5

> minutes wrapping it with cloth is about $1,200.00 an hour. Hurry

> supplies are limited!

> bG the generous entrepreneur and all-around nice guy

>

> > >

> > > I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is

> better

> > > than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to

> benefit

> > > anyone.

> > >

> > > Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

> > > effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

> > > comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's

> device.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey, sounds like me, I learn real slow but then I've got it. I was

afraid to touch the electricity, too.

You should buy the stuff needed to make the battery and wire thing,

and get your HANDS on it. You may have lots of nerve endings in your

hands mapped to your brain and that might be a good way to increase

the understanding? I don't know just guessing.

The FILES section contains all sorts of stuff. The Disease research

folder contains the stuff we cannot replace, can't live without.

However, the word spreads and the files are a good system of keeping

track so we can figure out what we did right, what we did wrong.

Nobody really reads them and takes them that seriously, because

they're not double-blinded studies. But they're more than just

stories or anecdotes, or " testimonials " . They contain the seeds for

research.

I've found them helpful to review once in awhile, to get a feel for

what we have discovered. For example, Hep-c was resistive until we

used pads on the liver itself. HIV also, we needed to target the bug

in the gut area to find the largest concentrations of it. Sinuses,

colds, basal cell carcinoma, viral leukemia, these have appeared and

some interesting results with them have been most instructive, and

very encouraging.

So, files, photos, yeah they're good. Remember, though, most people

are going to talk, show and tell, etc. And the 6 volt battery with a

wire on it is going to do more to propagate it than anything else at

this point. The stories will fly around. I'm just glad we have

records of the thing thus far, so that I KNOW when someone's going to

use it for something what the likely outcome will be. Otherwise I'd

be at a loss, and worrying all the time guessing if they're better

off or not.

bG

>

> Dick,

> I have looked at all of the photos. It still confused me...I know

you don't understand that, but please try to remember when you first

started learning about all of this. As a nurse, I get frustrated

when new grads don't pick up wound care as fast as me, BUT I have to

go back to when was a newbie and I gain more patience.

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> I am just learning how to even use the files here. There are

thousands of files. I tried to do a search and nothing I was asking

for came up, so please know that most of us are trying to learn.

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> LS