Re: Update on hiv treatments

[Guest guest]

, thanks for the report! I'll file it in the HIV folder. Over

200 is good news, perhaps it can be further improved too. The cells

do take some time to be regrown. Also, we may need to find the

concentrations of bone marrow in the body where electricity should

be applied so as to remove HIV from the CD4 " factories " and thus

increase that old count. Take heart, since we have removed

osteomyelitis in an ankle bone quite easily and spare a woman her

surgery several times, it is easy to do the bone-germ with the

ordinary godzilla devices! In other words, if HIV is " in your

bones " then we can reach it, and free the marrow from the invader so

that you have lots of CD4 cells. Also, the thymus is where the T-

cells get their names. If you have HIV in the thymus, then any CD4

cells will be attacked when they enter the thymus for

their " finishing touches " . You may know that T-cells are named

after the Thymus. They are started in the marrow and finished in

the Thymus. Got a headache yet, ? Ok, class dismissed. We

are spelunking around the body hunting HIV with an electric

blowtorch. It sure would be nice if it just stayed handily in the

blood, but we can't assume that. I know the dc works on virus and

was just reminded of it recently (still have no cold today after the

intermittent usage bG Technique just announced). I know where a

cold lives since I have them and can experiment on myself. Few if

any studies have shown where HIV is. They just keep trying

chemicals on it because the chemistry goes everywhere eventually. So

the drugs do not worry too much about where the germ is. We,

however, are extremely dependent on exact knowledge of where the

germ is, and how often it replicates.

Can you please let us know exactly what electrifications you're

doing, especially how often, placement of electrodes and what

device? Any other tech details would be good to know. It would

really help to have it in the files along with this report if that

is not too much trouble.

Applauding your efforts and the care you give to let others know,

and helping them as well as yourself!

Best,

bG

>

> Just to let the group know, I received the most recent results of

my CD4 count,

> and they were up 70 over the previous four month period, for a

total of 217.

>

[Guest guest]

, I see from your file what you were doing, SOTA pulsers, 5000 mag

pulser, etc. Has that changed, or are you still doing the same things?

You used mag pulsers on the intestinal areas, bloodstream

electrification with Beck's 4 hertz device, true?

If not changed, no need for you to update us there...

bG

>

> Just to let the group know, I received the most recent results of my

CD4 count,

> and they were up 70 over the previous four month period, for a total

of 217.

>

[Guest guest]

bG,

My personalized " protocol " hardly varied from my earlier post. You are correct,

I did " quite a lot " (how's that for a scientific term?) of mag pulsing around

the

intestinal areas. I told myself that, in the interest of scientific research, I

would

limit the techniques applied, thereby, perhaps, being better able to verify

specifically what works. Now that I've passed that phase, and realized some

success, I'm evaluating what I just learned in your class(es) :-) and am

thinking about trying more DC for the next four months... I am serious though

about suspending the use of pharmacueticals for this next four months, for all

the reasons stated. It would give me no greater pleasure than to verify the

validity of these electro-medical alternatives as viable substitutes for the

meds, and prove that the drugs aren't really necassary at all. I'm still

working

on the co-factor theory too, and honestly believe now that my concomitant

infection was actually syphilis, but this may be more difficult to prove.(the

implications here would be profound, given that syphilis is a common

bacterial infection, easily treated wih antibiotics, and, dare I say it,

Beck-style

electro-medical techniques, or Ozone even?) If this was the case, I think I've

already resolved that infection through aggressive Ozone injections from a

few years ago. (I think this is what landed me in Hospital Land, and not hiv,

not aids.) A herxheimer reaction IS indicated in the literature when resolving

a case of late stage syphilis, and by now, I think I know a herx reaction when I

see it, even if the high-priced doctors do not. But all this is not to be

construed

as medical advice in any way, shape or form. I'm just a lonely traveler on the

highway of life, exchanging experiences with other seekers of truth...

P.K.

> >

> > Just to let the group know, I received the most recent results of my

> CD4 count,

> > and they were up 70 over the previous four month period, for a total

> of 217.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cool, .

I think you're doing great and will do great. We all owe you a debt

of gratitude for your sharing.

At this stage I can't say what you should do, and you'd be smart to

keep wise counsel with every best sources you can find of course.

One thing strikes me though, and that is we don't yet know if the

combination of the meds and the electricity is necessary to keep up

the overall health. If the stats went better with both, as they

appear to have done, really, I love research too, but at these

levels of risk you might be smart to stick with what's been working

no matter how slowly, but working, and only make changes around the

edges of that? I dunno, your call. You don't want to go below 200

no matter what, and you're above it now with an uptrend using this

combo. If you try what I think is stronger, the dc paddles, on the

gut a few times a day spaced out a couple or so hours apart, I think

that could show some improvement, per theory. You should also

include the spleen and the thymus in the paddling, as well, and find

out where bone marrow's the largest concentration and maybe hit that

one. You can make up as many sets of paddles and power them all at

once from one stupid 6 volt lantern battery, it's got plenty of

power, and saves you time by doing all these areas at once for a few

minutes, total an hour or less a day...you have my best idea right

there. Stay in touch and great work on the improvement, up is up!

bG

> > >

> > > Just to let the group know, I received the most recent results

of my

> > CD4 count,

> > > and they were up 70 over the previous four month period, for a

total

> > of 217.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, bG, ever the calm voice of reason. I have just such a voice that speaks

loudly in my own head. But I also have many others, one in particular, that is

calmer, but easily heard above the din. It speaks to me even now, in a low,

soft whisper, and it says: " Pat, Pat, PAT pat PATTT!!! These drugs that they

speak of, how do you know that they don't do you more harm than good?

Aren't these from the same people who tried to sell you AZT? Did I not advise

you well when I told you not to take AZT? Don't you remember how many

years you went without taking ANY drugs? Four months without drugs isn't a

very long time in comparison. The blood electrification techniques have been

proven, to your own satisfaction, to be totally efficatious, why doubt them

now? Your own nurse practitioner said, just last week, 'these drugs are very

toxic! They're like taking rat poison!' (her words, not yours remember). Think

about it. Go with your gut, and this is the voice of your gut that you hear now.

I've never led you astray, my resources run much deeper than they first

appear. I have access to the collective unconscience, the Akashic record, The

Old Farmer's Almanac, the list goes on, you just don't realize it...Trust me.

And

by the way, don't forget to take out the trash... "

Well, you can see, it gets quite lively inside my head. Anyway, I'm still taking

everything under advisement, but for now, for the record, I've already stopped

the pharmacueticals. For now. I'll save a butt load of money too...Thanks as

always for your input, it means a lot to me.

J. P. K.

>

> Cool, .

>

> I think you're doing great and will do great. We all owe you a debt

> of gratitude for your sharing.

>

> At this stage I can't say what you should do, and you'd be smart to

> keep wise counsel with every best sources you can find of course.

>

> One thing strikes me though, and that is we don't yet know if the

> combination of the meds and the electricity is necessary to keep up

> the overall health. If the stats went better with both, as they

> appear to have done, really, I love research too, but at these

> levels of risk you might be smart to stick with what's been working

> no matter how slowly, but working, and only make changes around the

> edges of that? I dunno, your call. You don't want to go below 200

> no matter what, and you're above it now with an uptrend using this

> combo. If you try what I think is stronger, the dc paddles, on the

> gut a few times a day spaced out a couple or so hours apart, I think

> that could show some improvement, per theory. You should also

> include the spleen and the thymus in the paddling, as well, and find

> out where bone marrow's the largest concentration and maybe hit that

> one. You can make up as many sets of paddles and power them all at

> once from one stupid 6 volt lantern battery, it's got plenty of

> power, and saves you time by doing all these areas at once for a few

> minutes, total an hour or less a day...you have my best idea right

> there. Stay in touch and great work on the improvement, up is up!

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

Hey ;

I just read your message and as I am in the very same boat, I would strongly

recommend NOT to stop the drugs for two year. Your viro-load could be

undetected but you NEED to build immunity for the electrotherapy to work.. If

your immune system is very low, or low, the electromagnetic therapy DOES NOT DO

ANYTHING.. The electricity itself is believed to immobilize the virus and it's

up to the body to kill it.

Build your immune system, and while you are on the meds, make sure you go slower

on electricity ( you don't want any side effects), do the magnetic therapy on

the tissue that drugs can not reach and don't overload on supplements.

I found that I had the highest raise on T-Cells when along my standard therapy

(Pills and magnet) I was also doing

20 minutes electricity on the guts

2 spoons of virgin coconut oil with food and taking the drugs ( It seems to also

improve the strength of the drugs. Maybe because the drugs need the stomach

acids, and the coconut itself has acids)

Taking lot's of vitamin C and L-Lysine to prevent metastasis.

Once you reach a good number, then stop the drugs WITH YOUR DOCTORS HELP. You

can never just stop them as some drugs stay longer in the body and there is a

chance that remaining HIV can mutate). They have to lower the dosage first and

then stop them, but not all of the together. Doing so 1) makes sure you don't

mutate any HIV and 2) you play it safe, so in case you need to use them again

you can.

I am HIV+ for 16 year and I was using the magnets and electricity one month

every year, and I was in very, very good health. (The rest of the 11 months I

did not even think about HIV. I smoked, enjoyed moderate drinking, and lived a

normal life.)

The last 4 years when I moved to London Ontario, I did not so any electricity,

and then due to some stupidity, I got very sick, to the point that my viro-load

went to 160 000 and my T-cells were down to 4. I was also hospitalized.

When I come out of the hospital, I DID NOT TAKE THE DRUGS.. I used only the

electricity and magnetic therapy and my viro load went down to 70 000 and my T-4

was only 20. I continue the second month with electricity and my V-load went to

45000 but T-Cells up to 20. It seems I was getting up 20 per month. My doctor,

told me that the results were positive but I had to build my system as fast as

possible due to the problems that you get when the immune system is that low.

Then I started the drugs October 8, 2005. At the end of October, he run an

other test and the V-Load was undetectable and TCells 150.

Based on my 16 years of experience with HIV and my results I would tell you,

YES... STOP THE DRUGS, ONLY WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT!

An other VERY IMPORTANT step is to find a good physician. One that you can talk

to him/her about what you are doing outside the drugs and will support you in

doing so, by providing MEDICAL tests, so you can tell if the alternative therapy

is actually working or not. It's very important NOT to follow only one path.

I have told to my doctor, and we are planning to stop the meds in the summer

2007. He told me that for the first 6 months he will give me requitition to

have my blood checked to make sure that there is no re-infection. Soon I will

know how well all of the stuff is working.

Thanos

Update on hiv treatments

Just to let the group know, I received the most recent results of my CD4

count,

and they were up 70 over the previous four month period, for a total of 217.

This is progress, though for me personally, a bit disappointing. They are

higher now than they've been in years, but as great as I've been feeling

lately,

I expected more. Oh well. This serves to underscore that most difficult lesson

of all to learn: things take longer than you want. Anyway, I plan to continue

taking my supplement regimen as outlined in previous posts, with the addition

of Beta Glucan and Carnosine, as well as the new, upgraged CoQ10

available from Life Extension. I'm still leaning toward suspending the use of

the pharmacuetical anti-virals, and relying instead solely on the use of blood

electrification protocols to keep my viral load down. (Curiously, the recent

VL

tests aren't available yet.) I just can't help thinking that these drugs are

known

to be very toxic, and may very well be contributing to my ongoing immune

suppression. My next tests are only another four months from now, which to

my mind isn't that long a time to go without the drugs, despite all the fuss

that

my nurse practitioner and pharmacists would surely raise. Again, I view all

the

information about these drugs, which comes exclusively from the drug

manufacturer, as no outside, objectve studies are ever done, as dubious at

best. In the past, when I've suspended the use of said anti-virals, there were

dire warnings about drug ineffectivity resulting, a consequence I have never

observed. So there. My liver seems to be tolerating their toxicity well, but

for

how long?

Thanks to everybody for your continued support, I'll continue to keep you

posted.

[Guest guest]

Loved that piece, Pat!

My small voice is saying: whatever else, also use dc pads on the

intestines, thymus and spleen a few times a day with the new super-

powerful sponge electrode paddles and the 6 volt battery....and take

out the trash (which I just did).

It is corroboration that someone has just reported their viral load

went undetectable in blood, yet CD4 was low using electricity on

bloodstream! You clean the blood but the HIV still eats your CD4's

where it lives in the gut, it can destroys most of it there without

so much as a sign in the blood. Then you think you must be weakened

because " the virus is largely gone " . But it's very much there, but

not in blood, that's probably the real story. Electricity is

probably stronger than drugs. But not if you never use it on the

virus, which is not in your blood mostly. As I've said mag pulsing

has not enough power to inactivate the virus if you do the numbers

from the Einstein College of Medicine study. Nowhere NEAR what you

need. The Godzilla paddles have more than enough, however. But you

have to place them on the virus area. Beck did NOT know about the

gut levels of HIV and failed because of it. 10 autopsies on dead

young men with AIDS all showed that 98 percent of their HIV was

active in the gut linings and not in the blood! Blood is only a

handy way to measure the virus generally, but if CD4's are low then

the virus is attacking them outside the blood. DC is the strongest

type of electricity to use, it literally corrodes the virus like the

terminals on your car battery. But you have to target them and keep

it up a few hours apart for a few minutes adding up to your 40

minutes or so per day to keep gaining on it.

6 volt DC paddles on intestines, spleen, and thymus has the best

chance to knock out this virus of anything I know. You don't want

from me some other person's knowledge, right, some reading or

distillation of the say-so of some expert that I have never worked

with, right? You want from my skull what happened there. I assume

you want me to be me, and speak from life where I've learned, not

what I read somewhere. Well, I could be wrong, but it's 6 volts DC

and paddles that have knocked down even the toughest viruses I've

tested or had others test. HIV may be elusive and mysterious, but

tough it is not. I will change if I'm wrong, once again, since I

changed to get to this point all along the way. Hopefully each

change is toward better results.

bG

> >

> > Cool, .

> >

> > I think you're doing great and will do great. We all owe you a

debt

> > of gratitude for your sharing.

> >

> > At this stage I can't say what you should do, and you'd be smart

to

> > keep wise counsel with every best sources you can find of course.

> >

> > One thing strikes me though, and that is we don't yet know if the

> > combination of the meds and the electricity is necessary to keep

up

> > the overall health. If the stats went better with both, as they

> > appear to have done, really, I love research too, but at these

> > levels of risk you might be smart to stick with what's been

working

> > no matter how slowly, but working, and only make changes around

the

> > edges of that? I dunno, your call. You don't want to go below

200

> > no matter what, and you're above it now with an uptrend using

this

> > combo. If you try what I think is stronger, the dc paddles, on

the

> > gut a few times a day spaced out a couple or so hours apart, I

think

> > that could show some improvement, per theory. You should also

> > include the spleen and the thymus in the paddling, as well, and

find

> > out where bone marrow's the largest concentration and maybe hit

that

> > one. You can make up as many sets of paddles and power them all

at

> > once from one stupid 6 volt lantern battery, it's got plenty of

> > power, and saves you time by doing all these areas at once for a

few

> > minutes, total an hour or less a day...you have my best idea

right

> > there. Stay in touch and great work on the improvement, up is up!

> >

> > bG

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this report, it is very informative, and thanks for caring

so.

Good news: After a few days of inactivity the virus should die off.

I would guess that the reason the CD4 count is low is that you can't

expect to electrify 2% of your virus, the part that flows in the blood

and leave 98% of it in the gut. It's not theoretically sound. The

pulser feels like it does something, but it does not do anything.

Spikes were proven ineffective in the lab study, and now we see they

don't work in the body, either. The virus living in the gut is not the

same strain as in the blood, either. Only mutated strains live in the

bloodstream. " Wild " strains live in the gut. These virus cannot move

into the blood and they stay, permanently, in the gut. You either deal

with them or you stay ignorant and keep doing Beck's blood

electrification and magnetic pulsing..meanwhile nothing happens to the

real virus in the gut.

You must use electric current, preferably DC or slowly alternated

current directly on where the virus is living, not the blood. The

important main site of the infection is inside the linings of the gut,

where most of your CD4 cells live. It makes sense. The gut is where

most infections enter the body. CD4's wait there in large numbers.

Are you hearing me, or just thinking this is bG sounding off? This is

confirmed by autopsies 10 out of 10.

This is later data. Beck knew it not. If he'd known this, you can be

sure he would have fixed his protocol to address it. It's not rocket

science. But he's dead and his protocol is still the same as it was at

the time he wrote it. You can't wear the same overcoat that you wore

at 8 years old the rest of your life.

If you follow Beck to the letter, then you are no better than the

doctors who refuse to look at actual evidence. You're taking it from

authority, and it will cost you a lot of pain, if not the ballgame.

bG

>

> Hey ;

>If your immune system is very low, or low, the electromagnetic therapy

DOES NOT DO ANYTHING.. The electricity itself is believed to immobilize

the virus and it's up to the body to kill it.

[Guest guest]

Ritsa,

Thank you very much for sharing, I'm glad you're enjoying success with your

combination therapy. Your detailed account is invaluable to anyone who is

engaged with this infection. I can point out that for me personally, the drugs

haven't been all that " wonderful " . Ever since I started on them, my CD4's had

trended downward, and I believe it was only with the introduction of the

electro medical and magnetic pulsing modalities that things have really

turned around. I really believe though, that more attention must be paid to the

caution that Beck gave, that these treatments can " appear " to have an

immune suppressing effect. The truth is however, not so straightforward, and

only time will reveal the true benefits of these treatments. I think you are

correct, that a person's immune system must be available to him to help in

fighting any infection, and I've been taking all kinds of nutritional

supplements

to keep my system strong. I still can't get around the thought of how immune

suppressing these anti-viral drugs must surely be, and that this might well out-

weight their aparent benefits. The only way for me to prove this is to try four

months without the drugs, and rely exclusively on these electromagnetic

treatments. I've been lucky so far, the worst experience I've had has been 2

mos. in the hospital, and another month in a hospital bed at home. But this

was, I'm absolutely sure, only a predicted herxheimer reaction, which followed

an aggressive course of direct injection of medical grade ozone. I did this to

fight the hiv infection, but now have come to believe that in fact I had

resolved

an underlying, undiagnosed infection of garden variety syphilis. This IS

predicted, and it accounts for all the unanswered questions in my medical

history, questions that my clueless doctors couldn't begin to explain: the

stroke, the aparent brain infection now curiously absent after two lumbar

puncture tests, and the general suppression of my immune system. Recall

also that I'm almost twenty years infected, and I've spent most of that time

away from the pharmaceuticals, and have watched helplessly as my friends,

who were too gullible to " just say no " to drugs, withered away and died. I

haven't shared with my nurse practitioner my plan to go off the meds, she's

impatient enough with me as it is. But if things go as I hope and expect, she

won't need to know. I think I know well enough now how to read the signs of a

weakening immune system, and I trust my body to tell me if I start to get into

trouble.

Anyway, thanks again, I will read and re-read your post, and take your advice

to heart, as it always means more coming from someone who's in the same

boat.

One final note, I just can't help myself: on your recommendation of finding a

" good physician " -- I've come to believe that there is no such animal in

existence anywhere in the known universe, but is in fact more like the

mythical unicorn, whom we all would love to believe is real, but continues to

elude our five senses and defies reality...

>

> Hey ;

> I just read your message and as I am in the very same boat, I would strongly

recommend NOT to stop the drugs for two year. Your viro-load could be

undetected but you NEED to build immunity for the electrotherapy to work.. If

your immune system is very low, or low, the electromagnetic therapy DOES

NOT DO ANYTHING.. The electricity itself is believed to immobilize the virus

and it's up to the body to kill it.

> Build your immune system, and while you are on the meds, make sure you

go slower on electricity ( you don't want any side effects), do the magnetic

therapy on the tissue that drugs can not reach and don't overload on

supplements.

> I found that I had the highest raise on T-Cells when along my standard

therapy (Pills and magnet) I was also doing

> 20 minutes electricity on the guts

> 2 spoons of virgin coconut oil with food and taking the drugs ( It seems to

also improve the strength of the drugs. Maybe because the drugs need the

stomach acids, and the coconut itself has acids)

> Taking lot's of vitamin C and L-Lysine to prevent metastasis.

> Once you reach a good number, then stop the drugs WITH YOUR

DOCTORS HELP. You can never just stop them as some drugs stay longer in

the body and there is a chance that remaining HIV can mutate). They have to

lower the dosage first and then stop them, but not all of the together. Doing so

1) makes sure you don't mutate any HIV and 2) you play it safe, so in case you

need to use them again you can.

>

> I am HIV+ for 16 year and I was using the magnets and electricity one month

every year, and I was in very, very good health. (The rest of the 11 months I

did not even think about HIV. I smoked, enjoyed moderate drinking, and lived

a normal life.)

> The last 4 years when I moved to London Ontario, I did not so any electricity,

and then due to some stupidity, I got very sick, to the point that my viro-load

went to 160 000 and my T-cells were down to 4. I was also hospitalized.

>

> When I come out of the hospital, I DID NOT TAKE THE DRUGS.. I used only

the electricity and magnetic therapy and my viro load went down to 70 000

and my T-4 was only 20. I continue the second month with electricity and my

V-load went to 45000 but T-Cells up to 20. It seems I was getting up 20 per

month. My doctor, told me that the results were positive but I had to build my

system as fast as possible due to the problems that you get when the immune

system is that low. Then I started the drugs October 8, 2005. At the end of

October, he run an other test and the V-Load was undetectable and TCells

150.

>

> Based on my 16 years of experience with HIV and my results I would tell

you, YES... STOP THE DRUGS, ONLY WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT!

> An other VERY IMPORTANT step is to find a good physician. One that you

can talk to him/her about what you are doing outside the drugs and will

support you in doing so, by providing MEDICAL tests, so you can tell if the

alternative therapy is actually working or not. It's very important NOT to

follow

only one path.

>

> I have told to my doctor, and we are planning to stop the meds in the

summer 2007. He told me that for the first 6 months he will give me requitition

to have my blood checked to make sure that there is no re-infection. Soon I

will know how well all of the stuff is working.

> Thanos

[Guest guest]

bG,

I gotta tell ya, everytime I read one of your posts I feel like I've just

completed a

semester of advanced electromedical education. Your insight is invaluable,

and I always, ALWAYS take your recommendations to heart. It is my intention

to assemble a set of paddles, and to encorporate them into my next round of

electro medical therapy. I'm not sure what all else i'll do yet, but be assured

it

will include the routine blood electrification and some form of dc application,

and most likely will not include any drug therapy, at least for four months.

I've

taken this up with my twin brother/best friend/spiritual and financial genious

advisor, and he's given me the go ahead. i can't tell you in mere words how

much I value his opinion. I feel the same about yours too. Thanks again bG.

Pat

>

> Loved that piece, Pat!

>

> My small voice is saying: whatever else, also use dc pads on the

> intestines, thymus and spleen a few times a day with the new super-

> powerful sponge electrode paddles and the 6 volt battery....and take

> out the trash (which I just did).

>

> It is corroboration that someone has just reported their viral load

> went undetectable in blood, yet CD4 was low using electricity on

> bloodstream! You clean the blood but the HIV still eats your CD4's

> where it lives in the gut, it can destroys most of it there without

> so much as a sign in the blood. Then you think you must be weakened

> because " the virus is largely gone " . But it's very much there, but

> not in blood, that's probably the real story. Electricity is

> probably stronger than drugs. But not if you never use it on the

> virus, which is not in your blood mostly. As I've said mag pulsing

> has not enough power to inactivate the virus if you do the numbers

> from the Einstein College of Medicine study. Nowhere NEAR what you

> need. The Godzilla paddles have more than enough, however. But you

> have to place them on the virus area. Beck did NOT know about the

> gut levels of HIV and failed because of it. 10 autopsies on dead

> young men with AIDS all showed that 98 percent of their HIV was

> active in the gut linings and not in the blood! Blood is only a

> handy way to measure the virus generally, but if CD4's are low then

> the virus is attacking them outside the blood. DC is the strongest

> type of electricity to use, it literally corrodes the virus like the

> terminals on your car battery. But you have to target them and keep

> it up a few hours apart for a few minutes adding up to your 40

> minutes or so per day to keep gaining on it.

>

> 6 volt DC paddles on intestines, spleen, and thymus has the best

> chance to knock out this virus of anything I know. You don't want

> from me some other person's knowledge, right, some reading or

> distillation of the say-so of some expert that I have never worked

> with, right? You want from my skull what happened there. I assume

> you want me to be me, and speak from life where I've learned, not

> what I read somewhere. Well, I could be wrong, but it's 6 volts DC

> and paddles that have knocked down even the toughest viruses I've

> tested or had others test. HIV may be elusive and mysterious, but

> tough it is not. I will change if I'm wrong, once again, since I

> changed to get to this point all along the way. Hopefully each

> change is toward better results.

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

Hi bG,

The virus living in the gut is not the

> same strain as in the blood, either. Only mutated strains live in the

> bloodstream. " Wild " strains live in the gut. These virus cannot move

> into the blood and they stay, permanently, in the gut.

>

Was this not the reason why Beck advised to use the pulsar as the first port

of attack in those very areas, (lymphatic system, spleen, liver, gut),which

if not treated first are the sole cause of re-infection in a person?!

You either deal

> with them or you stay ignorant and keep doing Beck's blood

> electrification and magnetic pulsing..meanwhile nothing happens to the

> real virus in the gut.

>

It pains me when I read the Beck protocol as being, blood electrification,

magnetic pulsing, or blood electrification + magnetic pulsing. The full Beck

protocol is as follows:

1. Magnetic pulsing - to hit all re-infection areas and bring pathogens

into blood stream

2. Blood electrification - secondary targeting of pathogens in blood stream

3. Colloidal Silver - well, where do we start and end with this one!

Everything gets it!!

4. Ozone water - 2 pronged attack against pathogens as well as dealing with

herxheimer syndrome

As you have identified, the secret to defeating any dis-ease is:

1. Knowing where to hit it - Use paddle device first on major hide-out areas

of the body. Lymphatic system, spleen, liver, gut etc etc etc.

2. Knowing when to hit it - replication time scale of virus. use treatment

sessions which mimic virus replication time scales. Instead of using one

sustained 2 hour blood electrification session for example, break the

sessions up into 10-20 minute periods every hour!

--

Peace and Love

Uzoma

[Guest guest]

No problem if you want to do it all. But also use paddles on the

gut, would be my advice.

bG

>

> Hi bG,

>

> The virus living in the gut is not the

> > same strain as in the blood, either. Only mutated strains live

in the

> > bloodstream. " Wild " strains live in the gut. These virus cannot

move

> > into the blood and they stay, permanently, in the gut.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Was this not the reason why Beck advised to use the pulsar as the

first port

> of attack in those very areas, (lymphatic system, spleen, liver,

gut),which

> if not treated first are the sole cause of re-infection in a

person?!

>

> You either deal

> > with them or you stay ignorant and keep doing Beck's blood

> > electrification and magnetic pulsing..meanwhile nothing happens

to the

> > real virus in the gut.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> It pains me when I read the Beck protocol as being, blood

electrification,

> magnetic pulsing, or blood electrification + magnetic pulsing. The

full Beck

> protocol is as follows:

>

> 1. Magnetic pulsing - to hit all re-infection areas and bring

pathogens

> into blood stream

> 2. Blood electrification - secondary targeting of pathogens in

blood stream

> 3. Colloidal Silver - well, where do we start and end with this

one!

> Everything gets it!!

> 4. Ozone water - 2 pronged attack against pathogens as well as

dealing with

> herxheimer syndrome

>

> As you have identified, the secret to defeating any dis-ease is:

>

> 1. Knowing where to hit it - Use paddle device first on major hide-

out areas

> of the body. Lymphatic system, spleen, liver, gut etc etc etc.

> 2. Knowing when to hit it - replication time scale of virus. use

treatment

> sessions which mimic virus replication time scales. Instead of

using one

> sustained 2 hour blood electrification session for example, break

the

> sessions up into 10-20 minute periods every hour!

>

> --

> Peace and Love

>

> Uzoma

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

bG,

> But also use paddles on the

> gut, would be my advice.

>

Ageed! V has just built and shipped me a 3 speed Godzilla wrist device. I

wonder whether I can have it adapted so that it can take paddles as well? V

can this be done?

--

Peace and Love

Uzoma

[Guest guest]

Uzoma and bG,

Right on! This is a great discussion and list and I am thrilled to be a part

of all this great knowledge unfolding....

Some thoughts...

bG,

Could this be why Beck suspected that there was a reservoir of viral

particles in the lymph, that could only be dug out by blasting with his mag

pulser? So you're saying the reservoir is really in the intestinal mucosa

(lining)?

Hmmmm, interesting.... I just don't get how that avoids interaction with the

bloodstream, as hiding the lymph system does. However it DOES fit what we

know about HIV infection causing LOTS of GI tract problems - diarrhea w/

blood, nausea, vomiting, lack of appetite, inability to absorb nutrients

from food properly, etc.

What you were saying about the low-voltage DC killing or disabling the virus

recalls the Becker book " The Body Electric " . Low-voltage, extremely low

current DC is used extensively in living systems for building, injury

repair, even limb regeneration in salamanders!

It seems to me that the next generation of Godzilla machine would be some

kind of system you could strap on for continuous wear, like a Holter heart

monitor, or TENS unit. The brain of the device could manage the ON/OFF

cycles geared to the particular organism's lifecycle, and would swap

polarites, and manage the sessions round the clock so the patient wouldn't

have to. For a trained electrical engineer, designing and building such a

device would be abolutely child's play --- far less complex than a

Rife/Crane device or even an FM radio! Let the modern era of healing begin..

Uzoma,

Thanks for reminding us all that the Beck protocol is really a 4-pronged,

not 2-pronged attack on the HIV virus. Absolutely right-ON! One needs all

four prongs, and now maybe a 5th, bG's cycled DC, to effect a complete cure.

>From: baby_grand <no_reply >

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Update on hiv treatments

>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:12:11 -0000

>

>No problem if you want to do it all. But also use paddles on the

>gut, would be my advice.

>

>bG

>

>

> >

> > Hi bG,

> >

> > The virus living in the gut is not the

> > > same strain as in the blood, either. Only mutated strains live

>in the

> > > bloodstream. " Wild " strains live in the gut. These virus cannot

>move

> > > into the blood and they stay, permanently, in the gut.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Was this not the reason why Beck advised to use the pulsar as the

>first port

> > of attack in those very areas, (lymphatic system, spleen, liver,

>gut),which

> > if not treated first are the sole cause of re-infection in a

>person?!

> >

> > You either deal

> > > with them or you stay ignorant and keep doing Beck's blood

> > > electrification and magnetic pulsing..meanwhile nothing happens

>to the

> > > real virus in the gut.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It pains me when I read the Beck protocol as being, blood

>electrification,

> > magnetic pulsing, or blood electrification + magnetic pulsing. The

>full Beck

> > protocol is as follows:

> >

> > 1. Magnetic pulsing - to hit all re-infection areas and bring

>pathogens

> > into blood stream

> > 2. Blood electrification - secondary targeting of pathogens in

>blood stream

> > 3. Colloidal Silver - well, where do we start and end with this

>one!

> > Everything gets it!!

> > 4. Ozone water - 2 pronged attack against pathogens as well as

>dealing with

> > herxheimer syndrome

> >

> > As you have identified, the secret to defeating any dis-ease is:

> >

> > 1. Knowing where to hit it - Use paddle device first on major hide-

>out areas

> > of the body. Lymphatic system, spleen, liver, gut etc etc etc.

> > 2. Knowing when to hit it - replication time scale of virus. use

>treatment

> > sessions which mimic virus replication time scales. Instead of

>using one

> > sustained 2 hour blood electrification session for example, break

>the

> > sessions up into 10-20 minute periods every hour!

> >

> > --

> > Peace and Love

> >

> > Uzoma

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Science knew it was in lymph all along. The stuff I posted is their

recent study exposing the gut reservoirs of HIV. They discovered it

was heavily replicating in the gut, that it was invincible there due

to the body's own defenses against toxins including drugs. When it

replicates, it destroys the host CD4 cells.

It's why the CD4 count refuses to bounce back. Even with

undetectable levels of HIV in blood, you can thus have dangerously

low CD4 cells and deadly immune system reduction. The amount in

lymph is small and might reinfect people, but it's not the huge

reason CD4 is low, and that is the key to recovery. Reinfection

takes time, this is a slow virus. But huge numbers of HIV

constantly hacking down CD4 count in the larger area of the gut is

THE major thing everyone had missed.

We have reports that CD4 counts did not recover with colloidal

silver, so that probably does not penetrate the lining enough to

wipe out much virus there. So, neither drugs nor CS appears to work

on this part of the body's HIV. Ozone was used on HIV with limited

effects, no numbers there for CD4.

That's the reason I think dc current going through the lining is the

only thing that might work. If it renders the virus there inactive,

it can raise CD4 counts to unheard-of recovery levels! It's

extremely important to try this. There's a strong probability it

will be the end of HIV as a way of life.

There's a handy formula for microbe inactivation: Z = current x time.

Below a certain sweet spot nothing happens, above it, you get

inactivation increases proportional to the increase in Z (I will

call it Z since it puts microbes to " sleep " , get it?). At 4-6 volts

applied like the paddles design, you would get a lot of Z, many

millions of times what Becker used, and way above the amount he

found to be the " sweet spot " for healing bones.

Robt Becker's work is unrelated and it uses a current that would not

be capable of harming microbes. His Z levels used were much too

low. The current levels in his work are millionths of what we are

using. Such small amounts simply do not work on microbes though

they might speed healing as he has proposed. Things don't heal if

microbes are disturbing the healing processes. So, ideally you use

both the godzilla paddles and some other thing if you want. The

godzilla paddles appear to have some serendipitous healing

properties, it's nice when that happens. But things heal fast where

microbes are not interfering with it, also. I like to think it

could not hurt.

Devices may not need to be worn constantly, hooray! If they are

intermittently used every few hours for only a few minutes it should

take out even HIV.

We have lots of things to try. I'm perfectly fine with people

trying what they wanna try, it's their lives. My only task is to

clearly layout the new things I've just found and give a rationale

for them. After that, it's really up to everyone else to take it

from there.

I have not heard of any normal CD4 levels from Beck's protocol, not

yet anyway. That was odd to me, but at this time it makes sense why

this did not occur repeatably and the miracle be announced from

rooftops. The infection was still raging inside and the patient

probably knew it instinctively.

Medicine alternative and mainstream, have both failed to deliver

really good HIV solutions. Since they have saved lives and made HIV

much less of a death sentence, they deserve lots of thanks. But the

sufferers are a long way from out of the mud with HIV. As things

stand an HIV pos person is a permanent patient on strong meds and

not fully restored. I'd like to see that change, and find HIV no

harder than any other illness to reduce to safe levels that require

very minimal attention.

I've put the recent posts into recurring mails for the group every

two weeks.

bG

>> bG,

> Could this be why Beck suspected that there was a reservoir of

viral

> particles in the lymph, that could only be dug out by blasting

with his mag

> pulser? So you're saying the reservoir is really in the intestinal

mucosa

> (lining)?

>

> Hmmmm, interesting.... I just don't get how that avoids

interaction with the

> bloodstream, as hiding the lymph system does. However it DOES fit

what we

> know about HIV infection causing LOTS of GI tract problems -

[Guest guest]

I'm new here and have a question regarding the paddles. Has anyone used

the paddles for COPD/ Emphysema. I'm on o2 24/7 and currently and mostly

always without mucus. I'm gonna build some paddles as soon as I get to town

for supplies.

Thanks for any info.

Have a Good Day Today

AND

A Better Day Tomorrow

Cotton--N. Central Texas

Re: Update on hiv treatments

> bG,

>

>> But also use paddles on the

>> gut, would be my advice.

>>

>

>

>

>

> Ageed! V has just built and shipped me a 3 speed Godzilla wrist device. I

> wonder whether I can have it adapted so that it can take paddles as well?

> V

> can this be done?

>

> --

> Peace and Love

>

> Uzoma

>

>

>