Re: HOW-T0 in PHOTOS newbie - am I doing this correctly?

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Hi Saralou. I'm one of those people that have to " know " . So, when I first

used my 6volt I couldn't feel it working either. Which all led to " did I

even make it right?? " because this was the first thing I had ever built.

Naturally I had to stick it on my tongue for a split second to see if it was

working--and it was! Lol That little shock was worth it, just so that I

was reassured I had built it right and that it worked. For your wrist you

could go to the store and get a set of elastic cuffs that you sew into

sleeves when you make your own clothes. Then you could just put one on and

position the wires under the cuffs, and the cuffs will hold the wires in

place for you so that you don't have to hold them with your bad hand.

As far as curling the end of the wires where they attach, so long as the

copper wire itself is touching the battery terminals it will work, but if it

s only the insulation part that is touching the terminals (or clips) then

you won't get a current. My cloth ends are only a little over an inch long,

too. I like that set up for when I have a small spot I'm covering, rather

than a larger area when I'd use the paddles. I also like being able to bend

the cloth into a slight curve to snug it up around the wound.

You might try making the paint brush paddles for the head area because they

will be easy to hold and cover a larger area.

And you are right--who cares if it's placebo or something actually works?

The mind is a powerful thing, and can do miracles. People have told me it's

all in my head and I just smile and say " maybe--but at least it doesn't hurt

anymore "

Samala

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OK. I bent the wires back but my DH insisted all 4 had to be curled around

the plastic insulator instead of being straight like the diagram. Then we

had to bend alligator clips on one end even tho' that's not in the diagram

either. My cloth ends are only about an inch long.

I wet the cloth covered ends, attached the clips to the battery terminals

and tried to figure out how to hold the cloth ends on opposite sides of a

crash abrasion on the far side of my wrist. Could only hold them 15 sec or

so before the carpal tunnel numb set in on the holding digits so I switched

hands and held the cloth ends against the carpal tunnel wrist in several

places for maybe 8 minutes. After 18 hrs I'm not sure either had any effect

since abrasion looks like they do after a shower and the carpal tunnel woke

me up several times.

So I wet the ends and tucked them in my sock on the ankle I sprained a

couple weeks ago that still hurts. Maybe half an hour in different places

and then opposite those places all told. It seems to be better but because

today's going to be big I put my DMSO/nervine mixture on it too. I'm going

to use a sock top as a holding cuff on the wrist(S) next time.

Then I tried to position them on either side of a bump on the bottom back of

my scalp here and there. And I tried to cover the occipitals and cervical

vertebrae in several locations. (If I can get those discs to heal the carpal

tunnel will heal.) And I tried shoving one up my neck under the chin towards

the Eustachian canal with the other on the back of my neck but remembered

the aortic incident someone reported so quit after a few seconds when I got

to the left side.

Several of you have mentioned that you get burns and a few of you have

mentioned feeling sensations: for me, this is/was entirely an act of faith.

How do I know it's actually doing something?

Maybe the battery is old? I really don't want to look up that message on

sore throats where if you put the cloth end on the neck and the tongue in

the wrong order you get shocked. Is there another way?

Or perhaps (as with the Zapper I built years ago) I just keep doing it

and if there's an effect, be pleased. I really don't care if it's placebo or

electricity as long as I fix things.

Please critique what I did. I'm sure it works for you all and therefore for

me but .....

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:52:37 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), you wrote:

>Hi Saralou. I'm one of those people that have to " know " . So, when I first

>used my 6volt I couldn't feel it working either. Which all led to " did I

>even make it right?? " because this was the first thing I had ever built.

IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy.

It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure the actual

current.

I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a lot depending on

where I place the electrodes, and also its pressure

and area.

A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has to be one that

measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do it.

Not the clamp ones.

But it's easy to find one that fits.

http://search.ebay.com/multimeter will give a few choices.

From that page, at first glance, it seems that these will fit:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Advantage-Handheld-Mini-Digital-Multimeter_W0QQitemZ14004632\

1204QQihZ004QQcategoryZ42291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MultiTesters-DT-830B-Multimeter-Hand-Tool-Meter_W0QQ\

itemZ300041687935QQihZ020QQcategoryZ52534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

The important thing is that it has to have DCA in its selector, like you can see

more clearly here:

http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/14636217_1-nieuwe-digital-multimeter-7-functies-\

een-koopje.jpg

Or here: http://www.dilette.com/main/dilettesales/images/P30756_01.jpg

This is the one I use: http://www.mesco.com.br/dm_1000.htm

I think a multimeter should be seriously considered.

Why not put it as an option to the units ?

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Gustavo Molina - gustavo@...

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Um, cause some of us have zero idea of how these things work. I actually

bought a meter but it didn't really come with any understandable

instructions (guess they assumed if you bought one you'd know what to use it

for and how to use it), and I can't figure out what it's suppose to be

telling me--what all the different modes are for. I can't even find it

right now because it frustrated me so much I put it away and can't remember

where. Yeah, those numbers blink on and off, and I can get different

readings if I turn the knob to different settings, but it didn't tell me

anything useful. My tongue did! Lol

Maybe a short course in electronics is what's needed for us types that have

never been exposed to anything electric in our lives, other than to turn

light switches off and on. And--just so you know, I CAN wire up a room for

electricity--that's pretty straight forward and I don't need to understand

anything other than " that's the line carrying current, and I can take it to

this light and that outlet safely by shutting it off here " Talking

MICRO-currents--that's a whole 'nother thing.

Samala

-------Original Message-------

IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy.

It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure the actual

current.

I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a lot depending

on where I place the electrodes, and also its pressure

And area.

A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has to be one that

measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do it.

Not the clamp ones.

[Guest guest]

" IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy. "

Yes, and see

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90899. They

often have them on sale for less than $3.

Dick

Re: HOW-T0 in PHOTOS newbie - am I doing

this correctly?

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:52:37 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), you wrote:

>Hi Saralou. I'm one of those people that have to " know " . So, when I first

>used my 6volt I couldn't feel it working either. Which all led to " did I

>even make it right?? " because this was the first thing I had ever built.

IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy.

It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure the actual

current.

I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a lot depending on

where I place the electrodes, and also its pressure

and area.

A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has to be one that

measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do it.

Not the clamp ones.

But it's easy to find one that fits.

http://search.ebay.com/multimeter will give a few choices.

From that page, at first glance, it seems that these will fit:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Advantage-Handheld-Mini-Digital-Multimeter_W0QQitemZ14004632\

1204QQihZ004QQcategoryZ42291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MultiTesters-DT-830B-Multimeter-Hand-Tool-Meter_W0QQ\

itemZ300041687935QQihZ020QQcategoryZ52534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

The important thing is that it has to have DCA in its selector, like you can

see more clearly here:

http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/14636217_1-nieuwe-digital-multimeter-7-functies-\

een-koopje.jpg

Or here: http://www.dilette.com/main/dilettesales/images/P30756_01.jpg

This is the one I use: http://www.mesco.com.br/dm_1000.htm

I think a multimeter should be seriously considered.

Why not put it as an option to the units ?

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[Guest guest]

I added a file on how to use a multimeter, see our group webpage menu

FILES.

The best way to use it is to cut one wire and attach the meter leads

to each cut end. You leave the meter in the circuit while using it.

The meter has to be 'on' and set to one of the milliamperes

settings. See the file for more details.

bG

>

> Um, cause some of us have zero idea of how these things work. I

actually

> bought a meter but it didn't really come with any understandable

> instructions (guess they assumed if you bought one you'd know what

to use it

> for and how to use it), and I can't figure out what it's suppose to

be

> telling me--what all the different modes are for. I can't even

find it

> right now because it frustrated me so much I put it away and can't

remember

> where. Yeah, those numbers blink on and off, and I can get

different

> readings if I turn the knob to different settings, but it didn't

tell me

> anything useful. My tongue did! Lol

>

> Maybe a short course in electronics is what's needed for us types

that have

> never been exposed to anything electric in our lives, other than to

turn

> light switches off and on. And--just so you know, I CAN wire up a

room for

> electricity--that's pretty straight forward and I don't need to

understand

> anything other than " that's the line carrying current, and I can

take it to

> this light and that outlet safely by shutting it off here " Talking

> MICRO-currents--that's a whole 'nother thing.

>

> Samala

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy.

>

> It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure the

actual

> current.

>

> I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a lot

depending

> on where I place the electrodes, and also its pressure

> And area.

>

> A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has to be

one that

> measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do it.

> Not the clamp ones.

>

[Guest guest]

This is the one I have.

Samala

-------Original Message-------

" IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy. "

Yes, and see http://WWW.harborfreight.Com/CPI/ctaf/displayitem

taf?Itemnumber=90899. They often have them on sale for less than $3.

[Guest guest]

....my experience with harbor freight (their roaming tent sales) is that the

best one can hope for is that the tool might work for a little while, like

maybe enough to get through an immediate need for a task. absolute junk.

sometimes one can luck out, but the odds are against it. i wouldn't waste

my time to stand in the cash register line for anything they offer.

> Re: HOW-T0 in PHOTOS newbie - am I

> doing this correctly?

>

>

> " IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy. "

>

> Yes, and see

> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=9

> 0899. They often have them on sale for less than $3.

>

> Dick

> Re: HOW-T0 in PHOTOS

> newbie - am I doing this correctly?

>

>

> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:52:37 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), you wrote:

>

> >Hi Saralou. I'm one of those people that have to " know " . So,

> when I first

> >used my 6volt I couldn't feel it working either. Which all led

> to " did I

> >even make it right?? " because this was the first thing I had

> ever built.

>

> IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy.

>

> It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure

> the actual current.

>

> I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a

> lot depending on where I place the electrodes, and also its pressure

> and area.

>

> A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has

> to be one that measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do it.

> Not the clamp ones.

>

> But it's easy to find one that fits.

>

> http://search.ebay.com/multimeter will give a few choices.

>

> From that page, at first glance, it seems that these will fit:

>

>

> http://cgi.ebay.com/Advantage-Handheld-Mini-Digital-Multimeter_W0Q

QitemZ140046321204QQihZ004QQcategoryZ42291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohost

ing

>

> http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MultiTesters-DT-830B-Multimeter-Hand-T

> ool-Meter_W0QQitemZ300041687935QQihZ020QQcategoryZ52534QQrdZ1QQcmd

> ZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

>

> The important thing is that it has to have DCA in its selector,

> like you can see more clearly here:

>

http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/14636217_1-nieuwe-digital-multimeter-7-funct

ies-een-koopje.jpg

Or here: http://www.dilette.com/main/dilettesales/images/P30756_01.jpg

This is the one I use: http://www.mesco.com.br/dm_1000.htm

I think a multimeter should be seriously considered.

Why not put it as an option to the units ?

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Gustavo Molina - gustavo@...

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I have several of their multimeters and they have worked just fine. Some of

their stuff is OK as far as I'm concerned but you have to look hard at it to

make sure it will last awhile. For the occasional tool user most tools are OK.

Jack

Re: HOW-T0 in PHOTOS

> newbie - am I doing this correctly?

>

>

> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:52:37 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), you wrote:

>

> >Hi Saralou. I'm one of those people that have to " know " . So,

> when I first

> >used my 6volt I couldn't feel it working either. Which all led

> to " did I

> >even make it right?? " because this was the first thing I had

> ever built.

>

> IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very handy.

>

> It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure

> the actual current.

>

> I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a

> lot depending on where I place the electrodes, and also its pressure

> and area.

>

> A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has

> to be one that measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do it.

> Not the clamp ones.

>

> But it's easy to find one that fits.

>

> http://search.ebay.com/multimeter will give a few choices.

>

> From that page, at first glance, it seems that these will fit:

>

>

> http://cgi.ebay.com/Advantage-Handheld-Mini-Digital-Multimeter_W0Q

QitemZ140046321204QQihZ004QQcategoryZ42291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohost

ing

>

> http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MultiTesters-DT-830B-Multimeter-Hand-T

> ool-Meter_W0QQitemZ300041687935QQihZ020QQcategoryZ52534QQrdZ1QQcmd

> ZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

>

> The important thing is that it has to have DCA in its selector,

> like you can see more clearly here:

>

http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/14636217_1-nieuwe-digital-multimeter-7-funct

ies-een-koopje.jpg

Or here: http://www.dilette.com/main/dilettesales/images/P30756_01.jpg

This is the one I use: http://www.mesco.com.br/dm_1000.htm

I think a multimeter should be seriously considered.

Why not put it as an option to the units ?

---

Gustavo Molina - gustavo@...

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I've bought cheap multimeters at Lowe's, Home depot, Ace, etc.

About one in three are bad, Dead on Arrival. Best to take it out of

the plastic pack turn it on, and set to ohms and put the probes

together, it should go nearly to zero, then it's ok. They're about

12-20 bucks or so. Caution: never set it on milliamps and test a

battery! it will blow the fuse in the meter. IF that happens then

meter can appear dead. Open it up and replace the fuse, it's an

easy fix. You can test volts on a battery, but just not amps.

bG

> >

> > >Hi Saralou. I'm one of those people that have to " know " . So,

> > when I first

> > >used my 6volt I couldn't feel it working either. Which all led

> > to " did I

> > >even make it right?? " because this was the first thing I had

> > ever built.

> >

> > IMO, a multimeter that can measure micro currents is very

handy.

> >

> > It allows you not only to know it's working, but also measure

> > the actual current.

> >

> > I use one of these, and I noticed the actual current varies a

> > lot depending on where I place the electrodes, and also its

pressure

> > and area.

> >

> > A multimeter is very cheap. However not all will work. It has

> > to be one that measures DCA (DC Amperage). Most cheap (<$20) do

it.

> > Not the clamp ones.

> >

> > But it's easy to find one that fits.

> >

> > http://search.ebay.com/multimeter will give a few choices.

> >

> > From that page, at first glance, it seems that these will fit:

> >

> >

> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Advantage-Handheld-Mini-Digital-

Multimeter_W0Q

>

QitemZ140046321204QQihZ004QQcategoryZ42291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayph

otohost

> ing

> >

> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MultiTesters-DT-830B-Multimeter-Hand-

T

> > ool-

Meter_W0QQitemZ300041687935QQihZ020QQcategoryZ52534QQrdZ1QQcmd

> > ZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

> >

> > The important thing is that it has to have DCA in its selector,

> > like you can see more clearly here:

> >

> http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/14636217_1-nieuwe-digital-

multimeter-7-funct

> ies-een-koopje.jpg

> Or here:

http://www.dilette.com/main/dilettesales/images/P30756_01.jpg

>

> This is the one I use: http://www.mesco.com.br/dm_1000.htm

>

> I think a multimeter should be seriously considered.

>

> Why not put it as an option to the units ?

>

> ---

> Gustavo Molina - gustavo@...

>

>

>

>

>

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