Lyme's disease

[Guest guest]

>

> From: ne Kieffer <theocean@...>

>

> My doctor really keeps pushing me to get tested for Lymes but I keep

> telling her i don't have the main symptom(pain in joints and muscles).

> I have all CFIDS symptoms but no Fibro symptoms(which are more similiar

> to Lymes so I hear). Does anyone know of a person who tested positive

> for Lymes but did not have any pains in the legs, joints, or muscles?

I read so much that I forget sometimes where I read stuff, but seems

to me I read that many people with CFIDS are testing positive to

Lyme without noticing any ticks or any typical lyme-type symptoms.

I was going to follow up and research it some more, but haven't

taken the time. I'd say, if the insurance pays for all or part of

it, why not?

I had Colorado tick fever and never noticed an imbedded tick so

the doc didn't think to test for it until I'd almost run the

course.

Patti

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I did. Took antibotics, but still sick! Just do what you need to do for

yourself - this doc sounds thourgh!

take care,

Chrisite

tab@...

At 08:54 PM 5/3/99 +0900, you wrote:

>From: ne Kieffer <theocean@...>

>

>My doctor really keeps pushing me to get tested for Lymes but I keep

>telling her i don't have the main symptom(pain in joints and muscles).

>I have all CFIDS symptoms but no Fibro symptoms(which are more similiar

>to Lymes so I hear). Does anyone know of a person who tested positive

>for Lymes but did not have any pains in the legs, joints, or muscles?

>JL

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Lyme's Disease

> I have been disabled for close to 8 years with CFS and was recently

> diagnosed with lyme's based upon one of the IGENEX tests. Any advice on

> how I can beat this critter?

>

> Phil

Rife frequency technology devices have proven quite successful in helping

with Lyme's, and fairly successfuly with Chronic Fatigue. You can read all

about the technology on my website -- click onto the section on Rife. There

are also many websites on Rife all over the Internet.

If you wanted to go this route, you should get yourself a machine and use it

every day if possible. Anyone who wants to know of good, reliable units can

email me privately.

Regards,

Nina Silver, Ph.D.

Author of THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING

Email me for a pre-publication bulk discount good until Sept. 15!

You can read the intro to the Handbook on my website

http://www.heart-of-healing.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina,

I've been wanting to ask someone this question and here's my chance. My

understanding is that the Rife machines are designed to kill pathogens. Once

these pathogens are killed, they must still be detoxified by the body. Is this

correct? And do these machines have any way of assisting in the detoxification

of the pathogens they kill?

I was also diagnosed with Lyme disease. I was on antibiotics for a year. Since

coming off of them I have been in worse shape than ever before in my life,

almost completely bedridden. A recent Biological Terrain Assessment showed that

every organ in my body is under extreme stress. Although I have done multiple

cleanses, I can feel congestion in my liver and kidneys. My system seems to be

overloaded with toxins and has so far been unable to move them out efficiently.

I'm on supplements and homeopathics to support drainage and I had a treatment

last week with a cold laser, and that provided the first real relief in the past

few months. But the toxicity backed up again in only a few days. I will have

another treatment in 2 days. Meanwhile, I'm wondering whether the Rife

technology might have a place in my recovery protocol.

Thanks.

Peggy

Nina Silver wrote:

>>Rife frequency technology devices have proven quite successful in helping

with Lyme's, and fairly successfuly with Chronic Fatigue. >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Phil, We use IV antibiotics and Hyperbaric Oxygen for Lyme, May I send

you studies on Lyme?

Lyme's Disease

> I have been disabled for close to 8 years with CFS and was recently

> diagnosed with lyme's based upon one of the IGENEX tests. Any advice on

> how I can beat this critter?

>

> Phil

>

>

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Preliminary in vitro and in vivo findings of

Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment______________

in experimental Bb infection

Pavia, PhD, NY Medical College School of Medicine; NYCOM

Microbiology and Immunodiagnostic Laboratory of NYIT

In these studies, we evaluated repeated HBOT for its ability to kill Bb in

vitro, and in vivo, in a murine model of Lyme disease. Several North

American tick-derived and recently obtained patient isolates were studied

separately in our assay systems. To test for in vitro susceptibility,

one-half to one million Bb were cultured in a small volume (0.1 - 0.2 ml) of

BSK media using small snap-cap test tubes. With the caps removed, these

cultures were then exposed, for one hour (twice daily for 2 consecutive

days), to pure, filtered oxygen pressurized to 2-3 times normal atmospheric

conditions. This was achieved using a specially constructed,

miniaturized cylindrical chamber (length = 12 inches; diameter = 8 inches),

equipped to accept any pressurized gas mixture through its portal opening.

After the final HBOT, all cultures received an additional 0.5 ml of BSK

media (making the final volume now 0.6 - 0.7 ml), and their caps were

snapped shut. Matching control cultures received no HBOT. All cultures were

incubated at 33oC for 2-3 days and were examined microscopically for live

Bb.

Our results showed that 14 of 17 strains of Bb had their growth inhibited by

33-94%, while there was little or no inhibition of 3 Bb strains. For the in

vivo studies, separate groups of C3H or CD1 mice were infected intradermally

with 100,000 Bb. Two to 4 weeks later, one group of infected mice received

two,

1.0-1.5 hour HBO exposures, for two consecutive or alternating days. The

treated mice were sacrificed one day after the last treatment, and extract

cutlures of their urinary bladders were prepared in BSK media. It was found

that no Bb grew out of

80% of these extract cultures, whereas live Bb organisms were recoverable

from 90% of extract cultures prepared from matched, infected control mice

not treated with HBO. These data suggest that HBOT may be considered as a

clinically useful form of adjunct therapy in the treatment of Lyme disease.

Lyme's Disease

I have been disabled for close to 8 years with CFS and was recently

diagnosed with lyme's based upon one of the IGENEX tests. Any advice on

how I can beat this critter?

Phil

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Re: Lyme's Disease

> Hi Nina,

>

> I've been wanting to ask someone this question and here's my chance. My

understanding is that the Rife machines are designed to kill pathogens.

Once these pathogens are killed, they must still be detoxified by the body.

Is this correct? And do these machines have any way of assisting in the

detoxification of the pathogens they kill?

>

> I was also diagnosed with Lyme disease. I was on antibiotics for a year.

Since coming off of them I have been in worse shape than ever before in my

life, almost completely bedridden. A recent Biological Terrain Assessment

showed that every organ in my body is under extreme stress. Although I have

done multiple cleanses, I can feel congestion in my liver and kidneys. My

system seems to be overloaded with toxins and has so far been unable to move

them out efficiently. I'm on supplements and homeopathics to support

drainage and I had a treatment last week with a cold laser, and that

provided the first real relief in the past few months. But the toxicity

backed up again in only a few days. I will have another treatment in 2

days. Meanwhile, I'm wondering whether the Rife technology might have a

place in my recovery protocol.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Peggy

Peggy,

I already answered you privately, but since you wrote this to me on the

list, I'll answer again publicly in case anyone else is curious.

You ask, " Once these pathogens are killed, they must still be detoxified by

the body. Is this correct? And do these machines have any way of assisting

in the detoxification of the pathogens they kill? "

My short answers to you are " Yes " and " Not really. " For those on this list

who are unfamiliar with the technology, a little background would be

helpful.

Rife frequency technology, developed in the 1930s by Royal Rife, is

wonderfully effective for destroying pathogenic microbes. It works on the

principle of resonant frequency. Every living organism has a rate of

oscillation or resonant frequency-the number of cycles per second at which

it vibrates. Like the soprano who shatters a glass with her single, pure,

focused tone, the Beam Ray emitted the resonant frequency at which each

microbe vibrated, which burst them apart. After conducting thousands of

successful tests with infected animals, Rife was joined by some of the most

prestigious doctors and clinicians in the country who supported him

financially, substantiated his findings, and used the Beam Ray on human

beings with the same high success rate. This was done without poisonous

drugs, invasive surgery, high medical bills, or unhealthy dependence on

doctors. The University of Southern California School of Medicine sponsored

a 3½ month treatment program for 16 cancer patients, with a 100% remission

rate. Financial backers offered Rife more money for his research, and

clinicians from all over the country ordered Beam Ray devices to use for

their patients. Doctors as far away as Europe sent Rife notarized affidavits

stating the effectiveness of the treatments.

After many decades of suppression by the pharmaceutical-medical industry,

the technology is enjoying a renaissance.

Now to address the issue of detox. Rife technology devices focus on

shattering microbes, and don't seem to move lymph tissue that well because

the tissue is so dense compared to other parts of the body.

After you shatter or immobilize these microbes, there are corpses and

mycotoxins all through the bloodstream and lymph system which must be

eliminated. Drinking water is crucial to lower the ratio of poisons in the

system. (With people who have sluggish lymph systems and naturally retain

water, the amount to drink will have to be less than the common ratio of 1

fluid ounce for every 2 pounds of body weight.)

Massage, using a rebounder, swimming, and walking are all good ways of

moving this junk through the system. There is also a device called the

Photon Sound Beam that is designed to work on lymph tissue, and people who

use the device have found it to be very effective.

For newcomers, I would suggest the following website for the Rife

technology: http://kalamark.com/devices/

This machine is considered by many to be the best one on the market,

especially for the price.

And here's a website for the Photon Sound Beam:

http://homestead.juno.com/askjane/techinfo.html

As you peruse these websites, know that no medical claims are allowed to be

made for these devices.

Anyone who wants more information can read the introduction to my

forthcoming HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING on my website.

Regards,

Nina Silver, Ph.D.

Author of THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING

Email me for a pre-publication bulk discount good until Sept. 15!

You can read the intro to the Handbook on my website

http://www.heart-of-healing.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Nina,

I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two were

heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

tissue.

This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas in

metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

patient, with spectacular results.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

From: " Nina Silver " <ninas@...>

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Subject: Re: Lyme's Disease

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:51:38 -0400

Rife frequency technology, developed in the 1930s by Royal Rife, is

wonderfully effective for destroying pathogenic microbes. It works on the

principle of resonant frequency. Every living organism has a rate of

oscillation or resonant frequency-the number of cycles per second at which

it vibrates. Like the soprano who shatters a glass with her single, pure,

focused tone, the Beam Ray emitted the resonant frequency at which each

microbe vibrated, which burst them apart.

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Lyme Disease

Lyme disease is a serious and often devastating illness. The usual cause is

the bite from a tick infected with the Borrelia burgdorferi spirochete

carried by mice, deer and other warm-blooded animals. The B. burgdorferi

spirochete is an anaerobic bacterium. That is, it cannot exist in oxygen.

Reproduction of the spirochetes is thought to be inhibited by an increase in

O2 levels. Oxygen at an elevated partial-pressure effectively saturates all

tissues and crosses the blood-brain barrier. The benefits of such

penetration depend upon the sensitivity of the spirochete to the elevated

levels of O2.

Multiple Sclerosis, fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are among many

conditions in which symptoms closely resemble Lyme disease, thereby making

Lyme difficult to diagnose. Fibroblasts tend to protect the spirochete

against antibiotics making a diagnosis and treatment plan complicated and

individualized. Living spirochetes have been found in a muscle biopsy after

a year of IV antibiotic treatments.

Most patients treated with Hyperbaric Oxygen (HBO) experience an

exacerbation of symptoms called a Herxheimer response, believed to be caused

by the toxins unleashed as the spirochetes die off. The Herxheimer usually

diminishes in severity. Many patients have reported a significant (sometimes

even total) decrease in symptoms over a period of time, even after stopping

antibiotic treatments.

Prior to the initiation of HBO treatments, patients must have a physician's

order, sign a waiver and release, complete a symptom survey, and are

oriented to the treatment. 30 to 40 treatments, 1 to 2 times per day, are

the current recommendation. With the exception of temporary ear discomfort

as explained in the Hyperbaric literature, Lyme patients may also experience

the temporary Herxheimer. No other adverse reactions are expected. Patients

are requested to continue follow-up care with their personal physicians.

Since HBO treatment is still in the experimental stages for Lyme, insurance

reimbursements may or may not be available.

Reference:

The Text Book Of Hyperbaric Oxygen Medicine, By K.K. Jain MD

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, By Dr Neubauer MD

Lyme's Disease

>

>

> I have been disabled for close to 8 years with CFS and was recently

> diagnosed with lyme's based upon one of the IGENEX tests. Any advice on

> how I can beat this critter?

>

> Phil

>

>

>

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to

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Re: Lyme's Disease

> Dear Nina,

>

> I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

> very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two

were

> heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

> called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

> tissue.

>

> This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

>

> Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

> principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas

in

> metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

> patient, with spectacular results.

Thanks, Saul. To people who are new to the technology, it can be a lot to

take in, and I wanted to keep it simple.

Nina

[Guest guest]

Did Tesla actually collaborate with Rife, or did Rife

simply use a design of Tesla's which happened to be

available?

I've seen many books on Tesla, but am not aware of

one which discusses his activities in the health field.

Does anyone know if one exists?

I've been told that he had some involvement in oxygen

or ozone therapy also.

Dave

---------------

Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:26:33 +0000

From: " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...>

Subject: Re: Lyme's Disease

Dear Nina,

I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two were

heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

tissue.

This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas in

metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

patient, with spectacular results.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

[Guest guest]

Dear Dave,

There is a great deal of information on Tesla that is not

generally available.

He started the Tesla Ozone Company in 1900, manufacturing ozone generators

and ozonated olive oil for sale to doctors.

He designed circuits for medical therapy equipment for s Lakhovsky and

Royal Rife.

He was good friends with Walter , probably the most advanced

theoretical physicist of all time (all without training in physics).

Many of the most brilliat lights of the first quarter of the century used to

meet over at Walter 's palatial home and brainstorm. Mostof these

same men have been marginalized, bankrupted and written out of the histroy

books by the machinations of the greedy captains of industry, who put profit

above the welfare of mankind.

Contact the International tesla Society in Colorado Springs. They have a lot

of good information on Tesla.

Read The Secret of Life by s Lakhovsky, 1935 ISBN 0-939482-08-8

There is more that is unknown about these pioneers than is known.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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From: " Dave " <dcooper109@...>

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" List - Oxyplus " <oxyplus >

Subject: Re: Lyme's Disease

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:02:06 -0700

Did Tesla actually collaborate with Rife, or did Rife

simply use a design of Tesla's which happened to be

available?

I've seen many books on Tesla, but am not aware of

one which discusses his activities in the health field.

Does anyone know if one exists?

I've been told that he had some involvement in oxygen

or ozone therapy also.

Dave

---------------

Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:26:33 +0000

From: " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...>

Subject: Re: Lyme's Disease

Dear Nina,

I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two were

heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

tissue.

This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas in

metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

patient, with spectacular results.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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[Guest guest]

I need to get a hold of Walter, Can you send his number or give him this

message? I bought my ozone from him

Re: Lyme's Disease

Dear Nina,

I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two were

heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

tissue.

This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas in

metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

patient, with spectacular results.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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alternative self-help subjects.

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Dear ,

Walter has been dead for many decades.

And while he did a great many things, he never

built ozone generators.

See http://www.philosophy.org/history.html

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

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Subject: RE: Re: Lyme's Disease

Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:14:37 -0700

I need to get a hold of Walter, Can you send his number or give him this

message? I bought my ozone from him

Re: Lyme's Disease

Dear Nina,

I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two were

heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

tissue.

This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas in

metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

patient, with spectacular results.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

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Well He should have

Re: Lyme's Disease

Dear Nina,

I just would like to clarify that the Rife frequency machine emitted two

very high frequencies, megacycles, slightly different, and then the two were

heterodyned (beat together). The difference between the two frequencies is

called the resultant frequency, and that was what was induced into the

tissue.

This information is from Royal Rife's hand written lab notes.

Nikola Tesla was the designer of the frequency generators. A very similar

principle was designed by Tesla for Lakhovsky, who used inert gas in

metal rings of different sizes to broadcast a full body wave into the

patient, with spectacular results.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

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information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

Please relay more info on her condition. Obviously she sounds to be

emotionally at a crisis. What are these late symptoms, joint, soft tissue,

fatigue,?. I have never treated a Lymes patient, but the natural therapies

that are effective on inflammatory conditions may help if inflammatory

symptoms are prevalent. As a suggestion, you might do a sed rate and/or CRP

as a baseline and redo the test(s) periodically to monitor your management.

But tell us more and we might banter on this a bit. Steve Lumsden

Lyme's Disease

> Does anyone have any suggestions on natural tx. for advance Lymes, the

> patient is already on antibiotics but it is well past the stage of the

> circle rash and she is to the point of falling apart. She has had

parabolic

> chamber tx. in Calif. not sure if they helped.

>

> Take care

>

> Steve Kinne

>

>

>

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> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response .

I was not really looking for a debate. I am posting this here because I

think more data is needed, and this is a good group for gathering that,

if some people on this list are interested in trying the Salt/C

experimental protocol as a possible CFS-FM protocol. Salt/C helps

people with Lyme, who have symptoms very similar and in some cases

identical to CFS-FM. The top three symptoms of Lyme are fatigue, memory

problems, and light sensitivity. The next symptoms are sound

sensitivity, taste and smell abnormalities, increased irritability, word

reversal, and spatial disorientation. And there are literally dozens of

other symptoms, virtually all of which match-up with CFS-FM, including

the severe muscle pain, tender points in some people, vision

disturbances, etc. Fluctuation in symptoms from day to day is common,

and people with Lyme have a short-term symptom aggravation with

antibiotics. Everyone with Lyme has unique constellations of symptoms,

no two people are having the identical experience. Exercise is

impossible with Lyme because the bugs don't like oxygen so they douse

you with neurotoxins after exercise, the Lyme herx. And the HPA axis is

depressed with Lyme, and there are often thyroid problems and people get

cold a lot, and most 'PWL' get adrenal exhaustion eventually, after

progressing through several stages of the disease. And the digestive

system gets disbyosis, and on and on. Any of this sound familiar?

Salt/C reverses most of this, and for some people, all of it.

Maybe there is some other explanation, maybe the Salt/C doesn't really

treat Lyme, maybe some other cause is involved in both conditions. That

is certainly possible. Or maybe Lyme is just misunderstood, or maybe it

just an unusual co-infection of whatever is causing CFS. Or perhaps

Lyme is just an additional infection that some PWCs have, maybe that is

my situation, because I definitely fit well into both sets of criteria

(CFS-FM and Lyme). I don't know the answers to any of these issues, but

clearly the Salt/C is reversing these symptoms for many people, so I

think this is a treatment worthy of exploration. That was all I am

trying to say.

I am not the best person to defend the popular claims about Lyme.

Others are far more knowledgeable. But I have read enough to know that

there are responses to all the issues you have raised. I will make a

weak attempt to answer some of these. You have made me think, and I see

that there ARE some unanswered issues to address. But I hope you will

see that my main objective here is not to prove whether or not Lyme is

what some people say it is, but rather to test Salt/C for CFS-FM.

>> Does a major proportion of CFS/FM sufferers have Lyme disease.

Probably not.

1. CFS/FM (ME) is worldwide. The occurrence of Lyme's disease is not.

An illness like Lyme has been known in Europe for over 100 years. The

first report of a tick-induced ECM rash characteristic of 'Lyme' was in

Wisconsin in 1970. Connecticut was just the location of the first major

reported outbreak, in 1975. The disease has probably been established

world-wide for centuries. However, there may have been triggers for the

modern resurgence. Perhaps one of the co-infections identified by the

people at www.LymePhotos.com <http://www.lymephotos.com/> is the

actual trigger. They are the originators of Salt/C.

For more info on the history, symptoms and treatment of the NE version

of Lyme, see:

http://library.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/bbf2f15334c1f2858525661300031

7cc/87e8dfed931381b7852567c70012001f?OpenDocument

There is a strong belief in the Lyme community that the 1975 outbreak

was caused by a weaponization of the pre-existing Borrelia organism,

conducted a few miles off shore from Old Lyme, Connecticut at an Army

Bio-warfare research laboratory, which was in fact, at the time studying

the bacteria (Read " Lab 257 " ). This could explain the apparent increase

in virulence of the organism starting around that time. (Sounds like

the mycoplasma story all over again.). So the evidence is that this is

an old organism, the illness is well established, but it just got a lot

worse in 1975, when the Army was studying it. The Army did not invent

this, clearly, but they may have had a hand in worsening the situation.

Or maybe not. But anyway, it IS worldwide now.

2. Even in those areas where the occurrence of Lyme's disease is

highest,

like in parts of Connecticut, the rate of CFS/FM occurrence is not

higher.

My first thought is that this doesn't mean much because the NE is the

only place where people get accurately diagnosed with Lyme, so of course

the CFS/FM or any alternate diagnoses would be normal there, or even

lower.

Are there maps of CFS infection rates? I have not seen the evidence

that this is evenly spread across the country, this is news to me.

Where is the map for CFS? I didn't think anyone tracked that data. I

would love to see that. I do know that there have been outbreak zones

for CFS. In fact, I spent time in Tahoe in 1982, and have wondered if I

'picked something up' there during the 'Incline Village' outbreak. By

the way, did you know that the Tahoe area is now known to have a Lyme

infestation problem? Much worse there than almost elsewhere in the

western US? I read that recently in a Tahoe Lyme bulletin.

And as far as the Lyme Disease risk map, from the CDC. That is

interesting to look at, until you realize that many of the areas of risk

correspond with areas of population. The only exception is that there

is more Lyme in the South, where there are more trees, and more ticks.

For what it's worth, here is the CDC map:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/riskmap.htm

You may have a point here, but until I see a map of CFS I don't think we

will know for sure. Also, I don't entirely trust the CDC map because of

the fact that Lyme is so under-reported. But I will admit, this could

be an argument against a strong Lyme-CFS connection.

3. You need to have deer carrying ticks, which rub off on the shrubs

deer were eating, in order to get Lyme's disease. Given the number of

PWC's who live in metropolitan areas, it's unlikely that they've

contracted CFS/FM through untreated Lyme's disease.

That has been debunked in the Lyme community. I don't know if the

debunking is accurate, but for the record this is controversial. See

page 5 of this newsletter.

http://www.pacificsites.com/~dglaser/lyme/ARGFocus_October2003Newsletter

2.pdf

I will admit that this newsletter is a Lyme community oriented position,

and is not a scientific, peer-reviewed source. But they are quoting

research and not just anecdotes. And although it conflicts with some

official information, there are indications that the official position

of the CDC is becoming softer.

4. And even if they did, the spirochetes in the bloodstream which

occur with Lyme's disease, are still treatable with antibiotics.

There's still no indication that CFS/FM can be effectively treated

by any antibiotic, antiviral or combination of antibiotics and

antivirals,

with the possible exception of ampligen.

My own experience with antibiotics was the same when I had CFS/FM as

after I tested positive for Lyme, I tried them after both diagnosis.

And both times, they worked for a while, after I got through the

herxheimer, but then they stopped working after a few months. This is

the experience of most people with chronic, late-stage Lyme, as much as

with CFS. Some with early-stage Lyme do get better with antibiotics

though. But I also know a few people who got over CFS with natural

antibiotics, and I believe Nicolson has had some success with

antibiotics for CFS, when mycoplasma was involved.

I have not heard of Ampligen being used for people with Lyme. Now THAT

would be interesting..

5. Given the propensity of PWC's to have orthostatic intolerence,

ingesting

large amounts of salt is not advisable and can be dangerous.

There are clinical trials now where PWC's

are given intravenous saline solutions for orthostatic intolerence, but

again,

it's in the trial phase, and only for the symptoms of orthostatic

intolernce,

not other fatigue, fever, joint pain or other CFS/FM symptoms.

The idea that salt is dangerous is controversial. I thought that

orthostatic tolerance is caused by a LACK of salt, or poor sodium

regulation, so I don't see how this contraindicates taking salt. I

think it says PWC NEED more salt. Am I missing something here? I have

orthostatic intolerance and I have taken a lot of salt with no harmful

effects, other than the expected herx at first. I have noticed other

changes on salt that I believe are incident to my body becoming hydrated

for the first time in many years. Like muscles taking shape again, etc.

Anyway, the Salt/C treatment is well supported by modern ideas about

salt. The following link from the Salt Institute says that humans can

tolerate up to 30g of salt per day safely. That is double the maximum

amount recommended for the Salt/C protocol.

http://www.saltinstitute.org/28.html

6. Even Dr. ing had to back off of his claims for the effecacy of

large

doses of Vitamin C, which recent studies have shown, doesn't help

prevent

getting colds either, so it's limited as an antiviral.

I can't speak for Dr ing, and I don't personally use his claims

about Vitamin C. Yes, some advocates of Vitamin C in the alt med

community rely heavily on Dr. ing for their claims. So I don't

disagree with the point about no studies proving the validity of his

claim, but I don't think the effect of the Vitamin C with the Salt is

the same as what ing was promoting. In fact, I recently noticed

that some high-end mineral supplements use Vitamin C, apparently to

increase mineral absorption. So I suspect that the role of the C in the

Salt/C is that it increases mineral absorption. I actually am able to

use less Vitamin C than the recommendations on www.LymePhotos.com

<http://www.lymephotos.com/> .

I'm sorry, but this treatment concept really doesn't have much grounding

in

fact.

This is NOT a treatment concept. This is a working treatment that is

helping people right now as you read this. THAT is the fact. There may

be some unknowns, but Salt/C has gone way beyond the concept stage.

This is a blockbuster therapy for Lyme, but it is still at the

ground-floor level. I have been in the CFS community for many years and

'see the light' here, I believe that Salt/C may help many people in this

community. But I don't know that for a fact. That is why I am here

talking with you. Wasn't this list formed for this purpose? To uncover

promising treatments? Well, here is one.

I am NOT saying that everyone with CFS-FM has Lyme Disease, but some

clearly do. But at issue is whether Salt/C can help PWC, that is the

question I have.

I would be happy to provide information on the protocol I am following,

and can describe how it is working for myself and others I am working

with.

--Kurt

[Guest guest]

Can you post a link to the Salt/C protocol?

Thanks,

Elise

[Guest guest]

>

> Do all people with CFS/FM have Lyme? Probably not, but do a major

> proportion of us? Probably yes. So I believe it is useful to be

> tested.

>

> >> Does a major proportion of CFS/FM sufferers have Lyme disease.

> Probably not.

>

> 1. CFS/FM (ME) is worldwide. The occurrence of Lyme's disease is

not.

Lyme disease occurs alll over the world, there is a big problem with

docs not recognising it.

> 2. Even in those areas where the occurrence of Lyme's disease is

highest,

> like in parts of Connecticut, the rate of CFS/FM occurrence is not

higher.

>

> 3. You need to have deer carrying ticks, which rub off on the

shrubs

> deer were eating, in order to get Lyme's disease. Given the number

of

> PWC's who live in metropolitan areas, it's unlikely that they've

> contracted CFS/FM through untreated Lyme's disease.

Lyme disease can be carried by any biting insect such as fleas and

mosquitos. In the USA it the tick that most commonly carries

borrelia is called the deer tick, but the deer tick lives on other

animals too such as your pets. In the UK it is the sheep tick. In

fact it is often small mammals such as mice which act as natural

reservoirs for infection.

It is now believed the borrelia bacteria can be passed on in blood

transfusions and from mother to baby, but more evidence is required.

>

> 4. And even if they did, the spirochetes in the bloodstream which

> occur with Lyme's disease, are still treatable with antibiotics.

> There's still no indication that CFS/FM can be effectively treated

> by any antibiotic, antiviral or combination of antibiotics and

antivirals,

> with the possible exception of ampligen.

Borrelia bacteria can change form and hide from antibiotics if you

have had it long term and come back again once the antibiotics have

stopped.

>

> 5. Given the propensity of PWC's to have orthostatic intolerence,

ingesting

> large amounts of salt is not advisable and can be dangerous.

I have orthostatic intolerance and eating a bit more salt helps.

Carol

>

> There are clinical trials now where PWC's

> are given intravenous saline solutions for orthostatic

intolerence, but again,

> it's in the trial phase, and only for the symptoms of orthostatic

intolernce,

> not other fatigue, fever, joint pain or other CFS/FM symptoms.

>

> 6. Even Dr. ing had to back off of his claims for the effecacy

of large

> doses of Vitamin C, which recent studies have shown, doesn't help

prevent

> getting colds either, so it's limited as an antiviral.

>

> I'm sorry, but this treatment concept really doesn't have much

grounding in

> fact.

[Guest guest]

Oops, sorry . I didn’t notice you were not … Same response

applies !

--Kurt

Re: SPAM-LOW: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Lyme's

disease

Kurt - You had mentioned medical-grade salt tablets from CNC - do you

have a website for CNC, or any other info on these? Could not find CNC

on the Net. Also, I know that table salt is not as healthy as 'balanced'

salt - but for those of us who cannot tolerate RealSalt (and similar

natural salts), does table salt work as well as natural salts? I would

assume that one would have to take minerals also, to keep sodium in

balance with other minerals?(I believe that there are primarily 2-3

other minerals that have to balance with sodium - maybe magnesium,

calcium, potassium? Not sure on this) - Thanks!les PS: You did not

get any digestive upset with taking this much salt? Like stomach

irritation or bowel irregularities, or get hyped from taking too much

salt? I remember your saying that your adrenals were underfunctioning,

so I guess taking the salt just brought them up to normal - and perhaps

taking the majority of the salt in the morning would be best?

RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Lyme's disease

* I love it - Soup. We are in quite a stew. (groan)

Yes, that site is hard on light sensitives. I have corresponded with

the primary author, and know people who have spoken with her. I don't

know her qualifications (I do know her name but will respect her

privacy). Some people say she is a computer programmer

professionally.

She has been symptom free for 6 years now on the treatment. She was

very sick for a long time. Just like most of us. She is not doing

anything that any of use could not do. No permit is required to learn

to use a microscope. just have to want to. and some people on this

list seem to know more about some aspects of medicine than a lot of

doctors . knowledge is independent of credentials.

You can monitor BP during the Salt/C protocol. I do. Mine went up a

little, not enough to worry about. And it comes down often. I think

it

is an adjustment issue and not a long-term problem. Our ancestors ate

a

LOT more salt than we do, but in a natural mineral-rich form. We are

designed to handle as much as 30g of salt per day, although there are

people who can not handle so much.

Most of us are salt deficient. Probably because table salt has been

processed in a way that makes it difficult for the body to use. In my

own case, I also have the same adrenal issues you do. I have a

choice,

I must take either salt, or cortisol to make it through the day. If I

don't take my salt, I will be in bed all day without cortef. DGL

licorice also fixes salt regulation, BTW, I can also take that to get

through the day, but I prefer the salt.

And I have the coag problem also. I am textbook CFS. And the salt

helps that. However, I still do need help on 'sick days' but I get

by

with a Nattokinase tablet, which works almost as well as Heparin,

maybe

better.

I believe the salt/C protocol is correcting the blood volume problem.

I

gain a few pounds on the salt, and I think it is mostly water, and I

do

swell a little, but it is in the muscles. I believe the muscles are

hugely dehydrated in CFS, which is one reason we have no energy (not

the

only, but contributory). Also, the muscles make a lot of

gluco-hormones, so when they are 'down' and dehydrated we have less

energy.

I haven't told my whole story yet, because I don't want to get

people's

hopes up before others have tried this to see if my experience is a

fluke, but it is dramatic. I am not cured of CFS, but I went from

about

10% functional to almost 60% functional in a few months. This has

NEVER

happened to me before on ANY treatment, and I have been on a lot of

them. Before, I was laying in bed most of the day, and on good days I

could use my laptop to read the latest CFS theory. So much data and

so

little help. Now I am working again (out of the house though, still

don't travel much), and can think clearly about 80% of the time.

Still

get the brain fog moments, but an hour of recuperation fixes that. I

have only been on my lower-dose 'CFS' version of the protocol for

close

to a year, but I was not consistent, I stopped it over the summer and

deteriorated again. The past few months I have been more diligent

about

the protocol, and it continues to work for me. In the past year my

digestion (IBS plus everything else you read about) has cleared up

substantially and is better than ever. Candida is gone (salt controls

that - think of bread-making and how you use salt), and I can sleep

again without sedatives (after 7 years of needing them). People in

the

Lyme community using Salt/C are having similar experiences, their

worst

symptoms are improving. This is not the end solution, but I think a

huge step has been taken.

--Kurt

[Guest guest]

Hallo1I'm writing from Italy.Sorry for my English.I hope that I can

explain well the problem

My nephew (ten years old) is in hospital for fever and periarthritis

..She is taking many antibiotics .After many

medical examination (also a lumbar punture) the diagnosis is Lyme's disease

For the right therapy now there is the need of the genotype of the

borrellia

but it is not very easy to find

Do you know some alternative system for this disease?Thanks for the help

a