Re: RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

[Guest guest]

Dear Tom:

I'm sorry to hear about your wife and the RA. But the good news is that

countless people have been healed of it.

Generally it's multifactorial - there are many imbalances that could be

playing off each other with immune system dysfunction, parasites, candida,

undetected viruses, undetected food allergies, essential fatty acid

deficiency etc.. Seldom does anything act alone. You'll need to be a

detective. It's like pealing the layers of the onion. Whatever imbalances you

suspect, keep looking deeper and say " but what causes that. " For instance

hidden food allergies are often linked to RA but my observances are that a

healthy body does not have allergies (you may need to remove the offending

foods to take the stress off while you heal but there is something at the

core of it). Heavy metals are notorious for throwing everything out of whack.

There are many remedies for the above mentioned, it would take me all

night to list them. Olive leaf extract is not a bad place to start -- it is

anti-parasite, anti yeast/fungal (candida), antiviral. The herb Neem also

addresses these things.

I've seen heavy metals often at the bottom of the above imbalances (I

talk about it a bit more under oxyplus Parkinson's?)

There are many remedies to give her relief in the meantime -- " inhultra "

is a natural pain relief formula that includes essential fatty acids, as well

as the basic arthritis relief formulas, but I urge you not to stop at relief

and go for the " core cause. "

What I have written here, as I'm falling asleep, but felt the need to

respond -- is in no way a complete list of possibilities. There are countless

approaches from oxygen therapy to chelation etc etc etc.

But I did want to get something off to you so you know that you have many

options and that healing is in sight.

Keep me posted. Good luck.

With warm regards,

andmelissa@...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/6/99 8:33:39 PM Central Standard Time,

TomTrauberman@... writes:

<< From: TomTrauberman@... (Tom Trauberman)

My wife was diagnosed with RA today. Does anyone have any suggestions

for alternative treatments?

Tom >>

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I have a friend that had that at a very young age...30's. Sometime she could

hardly

hobble around. She took medications and sometime would have to be driven

to doc for shots because she could not walk. She started reading up on diet

and how it effects health. Now the hard part-- she became a vegan, gave up

all

sugar, juices some, eats tons of raw stuff, and drinks the green drinks from

barley, essential greens and the kamut products. She now works two jobs,

one as a waitress, takes no medications, is 45 but looks 35.

This is something both of us love, so when she comes to our house she and i

get in

the kitchen and put in togather: purple cabbage and carrots in food

processor,

chopped bell pepper--green, red, and yellow, chopped celery, raw corn

cut off cob, cucumber, can of garbanzo beans,and can of black olives. We

make a huge bowl and whatever is left, we split for the next day and next.

We chop tomatoes and green onions separately so not to spoil leftovers.

Top with flax seed oil, easy soy, squeezes lemon and vege-sal.

She eats some variation of this everyday and boy is it filling with good

bread.

Edith

[Guest guest]

A protocol for RA used by Dr. includes:

Identify/ eliminate/ desensitize food allergies/

Zinc picolinate 30 mg, 2-3 a day

copper sebacate, 2-4 mg a day - get a formula with both copper and zinc for

balance

niacinamide, sometimes 250-500 mg, 4-6 times a day (doesn't stay in the

system long)

fish oil, 6-15 grams a day

borage oil, supply 750-1500 mg of gla

vit E, 400-800 units a day

selenium, 200-300 mcg day

hcl, 40-70 grains a meal, if hypochlorhydric

vit c (buffered only). reduce if joint pain increases.

vit K - 50-100 mg 3 times a day if vit. c makes you worse

bromelain - 2000 mcu/g, 300-500 mg 3xday on empty stomach. causes upset in

some. if so, do not take.

ginger powder, 500-1500, 3xday

chicken cartilege II

anti amebic treatment: metronidzole, 2 g on 2 consecutive days. with food

each week for 6 weks.

avoid alcohol.

There you have it! Tx protocol by one of the finest MD's in the country.

Find someone who will help you with this.

Rheumatoid arthritus

> From: TomTrauberman@... (Tom Trauberman)

>

> My wife was diagnosed with RA today. Does anyone have any suggestions

> for alternative treatments?

>

> Tom

>

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[Guest guest]

> I have a friend that had that at a very young age...30's. Sometime she

could

> hardly

> hobble around. She took medications and sometime would have to be driven

> to doc for shots because she could not walk. She started reading up on

diet

> and how it effects health. Now the hard part-- she became a vegan, gave

up

> all

> sugar, juices some, eats tons of raw stuff, and drinks the green drinks

from

> barley, essential greens and the kamut products. She now works two jobs,

> one as a waitress, takes no medications, is 45 but looks 35.

>

> This is something both of us love, so when she comes to our house she and

i

> get in

> the kitchen and put in togather: purple cabbage and carrots in food

> processor,

> chopped bell pepper--green, red, and yellow, chopped celery, raw corn

> cut off cob, cucumber, can of garbanzo beans,and can of black olives. We

> make a huge bowl and whatever is left, we split for the next day and next.

> We chop tomatoes and green onions separately so not to spoil leftovers.

> Top with flax seed oil, easy soy, squeezes lemon and vege-sal.

>

> She eats some variation of this everyday and boy is it filling with good

> bread.

> Edith

This is an excellent idea. I didn't mention that Dr. also says a

vegetarian diet or raw food diet may be

beneficial.

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Tom,

Rheumatoid Arthritis : Inflammatory auto-immune disease triggered by a

virus and stress

Cleansing :

· Parasite cleanse

· Liver cleanse

· Colon cleanse

· Homozon

· Hydrogen peroxide baths

· Ozone : in the ear; insufflation; drinking water; steam cabinet; bagging

Nutrition :

· Aloe vera

· Blue-green algae, spirulina, chlorella

· Flax oil

· GLA (Borage oil)

· Betaine hydrochloride

· Digestive enzymes; pancreatin; ox bile tablets

· Acidophilus and bifidus

Vitamins:

· Vitamin A + D : 3 halibut liver oil capsules

· Vitamin Bs : brewer's yeast

· Vitamin B12 : sublingual

· Vitamin C - 3000 mg x3/ day

· Vitamin E - 800 IU/day

Minerals:

· selenium - two Brazil nuts per day

· zinc - 100 mg/day

Amino Acids:

· Bragg's Amino Acids

Herbs:

· Milk thistle

· Dandelion root

Supplements:

· Drenamin

· Thymex

· Coenzyme Q10

Exercise and Sunlight:

· Long walks in the park; Rebounder; Tai Chi; Swimming

Best of Health!

Saul Pressman

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

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Rheumatoid arthritus

> From: TomTrauberman@... (Tom Trauberman)

>

> My wife was diagnosed with RA today. Does anyone have any suggestions

> for alternative treatments?

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

Many people have been dramatically helped with the Hallelujah diet at

hacres.com. Visit the site. You'll be glad you did. Jim

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Order the paperback book Your Body's Many Cries for Water, by Dr. F.

BAtmanghelidj. Therre are other factors involved, but he explains how & why

cellular dehydration start the processes.

jim

Tom Trauberman wrote:

> From: TomTrauberman@... (Tom Trauberman)

>

> My wife was diagnosed with RA today. Does anyone have any suggestions

> for alternative treatments?

>

> Tom

>

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self- help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, Please look at our website we have been treating RA and other auto

immune disorders for many years, May I send you some information?

Here is our web site

http://www.hbot4u.com

Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics

909-889-0517

Rheumatoid arthritus

>From: TomTrauberman@... (Tom Trauberman)

>

>My wife was diagnosed with RA today. Does anyone have any suggestions

>for alternative treatments?

>

>Tom

>

>>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

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[Guest guest]

regarding hyperbaric oxygen, recently I heard something on the news, and I

forget the details, but they were saying hyperbaric oxygen improved some

serious condition and was this was being said by some orthodox medical

people.on the regular news on tv..I'm sorry I don't remember the details.

Does anyone remember seeing this on the news?

[Guest guest]

Published Studies on Auto-immune Disorders and HBOT

Bibliography

1. Anton'ev, A.A. and Nomnoeva, T.N. [use of hyperbaric oxygenation in

dermatology] Primenenie giperbaricheskoi oksigenatsii v dermatologii.

Vestn.Dermatol.Venerol. (2):27-31, 1986.

Notes : 0042-4609 RUSSIAN; NON-ENGLISH USSR JOURNAL-ARTICLE; REVIEW 0

86210524 8608.

2. Dowling, G.B., Copeman, P.W., and Ashfield, R. Raynaud's phenomenon in

scleroderma treated with hyperbaric oxygen. Proc.R.Soc.Med.

60(12):1268-1269, 1967.

Notes : 0035-9157 ENGLISH ENGLAND JOURNAL-ARTICLE 68090745 6803.

3. Lukich, V.L., Grebenev, A.L., Matrenitskaia, N.A., and Grabskii, M.A.

[Treatment problems in systemic scleroderma using hyperbaric oxygenation]

Problemy lecheniia sistemnoi sklerodermii giperbaricheskoi oksigenatsiei.

Klin.Med.Mosk. 62(3):26-31, 1984.

Notes : 0023-2149 RUSSIAN; NON-ENGLISH USSR JOURNAL-ARTICLE 84189673 8408.

4. Iakunin, G.A., Grebenev, A.L., Lukich, V.L., Smolianitskii, A.I., and

Grabskii, M.A. [Rheological and coagulative blood properties in patients

with systemic scleroderma undergoing hyperbaric oxygenation in combined

treatment] Sostoianie reologicheskikh i koaguliatsionnykh svoistv krovi u

bol'nykh sistemnoi sklerodermiei pri primenenii giperbaricheskoi

oksigenatsii v kompleksnom lechenii. Ter.Arkh. 55(7):120-124, 1983.

Notes : 0040-3660 RUSSIAN; NON-ENGLISH USSR JOURNAL-ARTICLE 0 84018192 8401.

5. Lukich, V.L., Kurakina, L.V., and Poliakova, L.V. [The role of hyperbaric

oxygenation in the treatment of systemic diseases] Rol' giperbaricheskoi

oksigenatsii v lechenii sistemnykh zabolevanii. Klin.Med.Mosk. 69(7):15-20,

1991.

Notes : 0023-2149 RUSSIAN; NON-ENGLISH USSR JOURNAL-ARTICLE; REVIEW;

REVIEW,-TUTORIAL 92047220 9202.

****************************************study below was done at my center

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6. Wallace, D.J., Silverman, S., Goldstein, J., and , D. Use of

hyperbaric oxygen in rheumatic diseases: case report and critical analysis.

Lupus. 4(3):172-175, 1995.

Notes : Department of Medicine, Cedars-Sinai Medical Centre, Los Angeles,

CA, USA 0961-2033 ENGLISH ENGLAND Hyperbaric oxygen has been used in

patients with rheumatic disease for many years without reports of untoward

or unusual complications for a variety of non-rheumatic indications. Recent

evidence that hyperbaric oxygen inhibits the actions of certain cytokines,

acts as an immune modulator and may help cognitive dysfunction has resulted

in a re-examination of its potential role in rheumatic diseases. A case

report of a lupus/scleroderma crossover patient is presented whose cognitive

dysfunction improved after hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The history of

hyperbaric oxygen and its physiology are related, along with a focused

review of its effects on the immune and central nervous systems. Areas which

might warrant further consideration by rheumatologists are outlined, as well

as areas of concern JOURNAL-ARTICLE; REVIEW; REVIEW,-TUTORIAL 95384176 9512.

****************************************************************************

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7. Makeeva, N.P., Balakhonova, N.P., Kurakina, L.V., and Kamshilina, L.S.

[Microcirculation in patients with systemic scleroderma during treatment

using hyperbaric oxygenation] Mikrotsirkuliatsiia u bo'lnykh sistemnoi

sklerodermiei pri lechenii metodom giperbaricheskoi oksigenatsii.

Klin.Med.Mosk. 67(6):107-109, 1989.

Notes : 0023-2149 RUSSIAN; NON-ENGLISH USSR Hyperbaric oxygenation treatment

of systemic scleroderma has a favourable effect on microcirculatory changes

whose positive dynamics can be demonstrated by conjunctival biomicroscopy.

These changes include accelerated blood flow and decrease in the degree of

erythrocyte aggregation. The method can be used for the objective assessment

and for prognosis of the effectiveness of hyperbaric oxygenation treatment

in patients with systemic scleroderma JOURNAL-ARTICLE 89383222 8912.

[Guest guest]

yes, and we have been using it for years, Hyperbaric Oxygen, Its not

just for Divers any more, Read more on my website

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Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics

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" hyperbarics Saved My life, therefore it is my life " sr

[Guest guest]

MUM's News letter 10/98

support group for children with rare disorders

Thank you so much for the honor of being included in your news letter!

Finally after many years of waiting I am able to give credit to the

people who have helped us, and in turn may help other parents and their

children as well.

I intend to focus on my three little girls. However, I think it is also

important to explain the illness that I had. In doing so I feel it

would be easy to understand the familial disorder, and by using

Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy we all were able to regain our health and lead

a normal life style.

In 1991 I was diagnosed with Lupus, Cerebral Vasculitis, Rheumatoid

Arthritis, Including auto immune markers in the spinal fluid that

indicated a demyelination process of acute Peripheral Neuropathy, all of

which where documented by S.P.E.C.T. Brain scans, blood test, skin

biopsy, spinal taps, along with lower and upper EMG's.

To shorten this story, I was treated using Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, or

HBOT for 28 treatments, I was sent back to the doctor who ordered

additional S.P.E.C.T. Brain Scans, spinal taps, skin biopsy, EMG's and

blood test. All of which returned to normal. My Doctors have since

wrote many letters fully endorsing Hyperbaric oxygen therapy treatment!

I have three little girls, all are two years apart in age, during the

time of my illness and recovery all three little girls had very unusual

illness constantly throughout their childhood. This illness included,

joint pain with swelling, grand and petite maul seizures, bladder and

kidney infections, Asthmatic bronchitis, Otitis Media, high protein in

urine, back, neck, knee pain, gastrointestinal reflux confirmed by

biopsy, chronic constipation, with fissures, head aches, skin rashes,

unable to go in the sun, skin thickening, yeast infections both vaginal

and under arms, delayed speech, positive ANA's with patterns abnormal

S.P.E.C.T. Brain Scans. All three of my children missed at times 60

days of school in a year. Final diagnosis, Collagen Vascular disease

with lupus -like, Scleroderma overlap, connective tissue disorder, and

at times their records read, CFS, and FMS. In short, a disease process

in which the bodies immune system attacks its self, in the case of my

three girls, Central Nervous system, Joints, skin, both internal and

external.

I had heard that Dr. Harch MD treated children with success, I sent

my own S.P.E.C.T. Brain scans to Dr. Harch MD and begged him to

treat my three children. He agreed to meet with us in New Orleans. I

drove the three children out to New Orleans to meet with Dr. Harch, For

I knew that this was the only treatment that would work and I felt it

had saved my life! Please understand that a person with a DX as I could

normally not be able to drive from California to New Orleans alone

without being completely well. Again to make a long story short, all

three of the children were given S.P.E.C.T. Brain Scans before and after

treatment with Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, or HBOT, blood work as well,

the first set of blood tests revealed a Sedimentation Rate of more than

100 in one child, upper 60's in the other children, indicating gross

inflammation. After using Hyperbaric oxygen therapy the test returned

to normal! In addition the S.P.E.CT. Brain Scans were improved near

normal as well after 40 treatments of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy.

Since that time my children have received Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy

about twice monthly. The difference in our life is without words! They

have improved health, they can now play in the sun, and all of their

grades have improved to the point of Principals Honor Roll and the

program for the gifted. There treating Md. writes an RX for Hyperbaric

yearly. Hyperbaric and Dr. Harch have impacted my life to which it

will NEVER be the same. I can never thank Dr. Harch enough. We are

deeply grateful to him.

Sincerely,

and

It is for these Reasons we have opened over center for Health, Rapid

Recovery Hyperbarics, It is dedicated to Dr Harch and Our children.

We do not feel that One must loose their Home In order to gain

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[Guest guest]

My web site

http://www.hbot4u.com/

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I posted this to our files.

We need a the Rheumatoid info we can get, this is a horrible deforming

disease. I'm not sure it will turn out to be a germ or chemical

imbalance, but maybe this can help with more than just symptoms.

bG

>

>

> Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several places,

back of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

>

> all pain eliminated except for one finger.

>

[Guest guest]

I suspect that rheumatoid is several diseases. Anyway, there is a form

of rheumatoid that is called Still's disease or Juvenile RA. In the

case I'm familiar with it seemed to be triggered off by a strep

infection at the age of three. After years of getting it under

control it went dormant (age of eleven) leaving lots of damage but not

many active symptoms (except for some stiffness and Uvitis

occasionally (eye form of RA). AT age 62 a strep infection set it off

again with more damage, now dormant again and it may be that

minocyline got it under control.

Anyway, the Mozilla will be interesting as also the HPMP. Have used

the Rife machine for a short while with no apparent results on the RA.

However, something interesting has come along, stem cells and more

specifically, stem cell enhancers. According to the people I've been

talking to it's awesome. Anyway, we'll be able to report on it in the

future with personal experience. Check out:

http://www.eglobal.stemtechhealth.com/. There doesn't seem to be much

info on the site, but we can supply a transcript with quite a bit of

info on it.

We'd be interested in any info on Mozilla and HPMP on RA.

Also the high-oxalic acid diet may be of some use. We tried it for a

short time and since it's an indirect process on RA we may have to try

it long term. The high-oxalic acid diet works on cancer very well.

> >

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> > Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several places,

> back of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

> >

> > all pain eliminated except for one finger.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Beacon,

I have a son in law who has RA in the spine and is on pain meds all the

time. I have tried energy gizmos and magnetic pulsers with no good results.

I want to try the 6v battery with electrode pads on him. Where did your

friend put the electrodes to relieve his RA pain? Also, how long did he have

to do it before he got relief, and how long lasting was it?

Thanks,

Dick

RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

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> Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several places, back

> of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

>

> all pain eliminated except for one finger.

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> The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla

> devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical

> advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing,

> you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages

> from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually.

> We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about

> repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for

> your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

The use of the apprentice godzilla was used because of the good

reporting for arthritis rheumatoid.

To our surprise it worked where nothing else worked.

There has been no reaccurance of pain and one hand which was not

mobile and one leg was very weak and painful.

The strength has been mostly restored in the leg and the hand can now

be used to do normal things.

The person was actually in tears when they could use their hand.

Electrodes were placed one over the sore site and one opposite like

one on the knee and one in back of the knee.

The electrodes where moved around in the area which was affected.

Pain killers have not been used since the pain went away.

Proir to this time constant pain was experienced.

You can try one on lengthwise on each end of the area of the spine in

the area which is affected.

Or one on each side of a vertebrae

Moving the electrodes around seems to work the best.

You can move the electrodes any where along the spine.

Reversing the electrodes to reverse the current was employed every 10 minutes..

What ever gives the best results.

You have to try and see.

God Bless

At 10:14 AM 11/20/2005, you wrote:

>Beacon,

>

>I have a son in law who has RA in the spine and is on pain meds all the

>time. I have tried energy gizmos and magnetic pulsers with no good results.

>I want to try the 6v battery with electrode pads on him. Where did your

>friend put the electrodes to relieve his RA pain? Also, how long did he have

>to do it before he got relief, and how long lasting was it?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Dick

>

>

> RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

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> >

> > Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several places, back

> > of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

> >

> > all pain eliminated except for one finger.

> >

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> >

> > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla

> > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical

> > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing,

> > you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages

> > from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually.

> > We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about

> > repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for

> > your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

Sessions were as long as 30 minutes. remission of pain and mobility

was within 12 hours.

God Bless

At 10:14 AM 11/20/2005, you wrote:

>Beacon,

>

>I have a son in law who has RA in the spine and is on pain meds all the

>time. I have tried energy gizmos and magnetic pulsers with no good results.

>I want to try the 6v battery with electrode pads on him. Where did your

>friend put the electrodes to relieve his RA pain? Also, how long did he have

>to do it before he got relief, and how long lasting was it?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Dick

>

>

> RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

>

>

> >

> > Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several places, back

> > of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

> >

> > all pain eliminated except for one finger.

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla

> > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical

> > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing,

> > you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages

> > from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually.

> > We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about

> > repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for

> > your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> >

[Guest guest]

Congratulations, ! You are now an Apprentice Ziller. Yay! YOu

have cleared up and reported it. This will move the world forward

another notch, big notch.

It's great you got the intuitive idea of the device, too.

I hope more will be encouraged to try. It's always such a nice

surprise when something like this surrenders to the household remedy

that so many good souls have worked on!

bG

> >Beacon,

> >

> >I have a son in law who has RA in the spine and is on pain meds

all the

> >time. I have tried energy gizmos and magnetic pulsers with no

good results.

> >I want to try the 6v battery with electrode pads on him. Where

did your

> >friend put the electrodes to relieve his RA pain? Also, how long

did he have

> >to do it before he got relief, and how long lasting was it?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Dick

> >

> >

> > RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several

places, back

> > > of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

> > >

> > > all pain eliminated except for one finger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

Godzilla

> > > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum,

not medical

> > > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but

by joing,

> > > you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator,

from damages

> > > from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or

individually.

> > > We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything

about

> > > repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits.

Thanks, for

> > > your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> > >

[Guest guest]

great. I've posted the results to the files, so others can enjoy

the fruits of your labors.

In the one case of RA I tried, it cleared up in about 2 hours, used

the whole time on the fingers of one hand. Mobility back and pain

gone. Still gone.

bG

> >Beacon,

> >

> >I have a son in law who has RA in the spine and is on pain meds

all the

> >time. I have tried energy gizmos and magnetic pulsers with no

good results.

> >I want to try the 6v battery with electrode pads on him. Where

did your

> >friend put the electrodes to relieve his RA pain? Also, how long

did he have

> >to do it before he got relief, and how long lasting was it?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Dick

> >

> >

> > RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several

places, back

> > > of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

> > >

> > > all pain eliminated except for one finger.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

Godzilla

> > > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum,

not medical

> > > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but

by joing,

> > > you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator,

from damages

> > > from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or

individually.

> > > We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything

about

> > > repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits.

Thanks, for

> > > your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bob, if it clears up in one particular place perhaps it is doing

something directly to the nerves--such as shifting their setpoint,

increasing electrical flow, or recalibrating them to somehow stop the

inflammatory cycle? As it seems unlikely there is a local infection

in the hand? WHat do you think?

> > >Beacon,

> > >

> > >I have a son in law who has RA in the spine and is on pain meds

> all the

> > >time. I have tried energy gizmos and magnetic pulsers with no

> good results.

> > >I want to try the 6v battery with electrode pads on him. Where

> did your

> > >friend put the electrodes to relieve his RA pain? Also, how long

> did he have

> > >to do it before he got relief, and how long lasting was it?

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >Dick

> > >

> > >

> > > RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Friend used 6 volt battery unit to eliminate pain in several

> places, back

> > > > of knee, hand, several fingers, elbow with RA.

> > > >

> > > > all pain eliminated except for one finger.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

> Godzilla

> > > > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum,

> not medical

> > > > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free,

but

> by joing,

> > > > you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator,

> from damages

> > > > from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or

> individually.

> > > > We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything

> about

> > > > repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits.

> Thanks, for

> > > > your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this very good report .

Jack

Re: RHEUMATOID ARTHRITUS

Hi

The use of the apprentice godzilla was used because of the good

reporting for arthritis rheumatoid.

To our surprise it worked where nothing else worked.

There has been no reaccurance of pain and one hand which was not

mobile and one leg was very weak and painful.

The strength has been mostly restored in the leg and the hand can now

be used to do normal things.

The person was actually in tears when they could use their hand.

Electrodes were placed one over the sore site and one opposite like

one on the knee and one in back of the knee.

The electrodes where moved around in the area which was affected.

Pain killers have not been used since the pain went away.

Proir to this time constant pain was experienced.

You can try one on lengthwise on each end of the area of the spine in

the area which is affected.

Or one on each side of a vertebrae

Moving the electrodes around seems to work the best.

You can move the electrodes any where along the spine.

Reversing the electrodes to reverse the current was employed every 10

minutes..

What ever gives the best results.

You have to try and see.

God Bless

[Guest guest]

there are several things that the dc current from our humble battery

is doing, and I'm not sure how they all add up to the results on RA

that we are seeing. I'll just tick them off here:

1. DC is an anesthetic and it dulls pain

2. DC inactivates virus, bacteria, etc

3. DC forms ions that can react chemically to alter hormones,

platelets, other organic substances in the body. It can reduce or

eliminate the effects of bee venom, snake, spider, even mosquito

toxins. It subtly alters the way these things react with the immune

system and possibly other cells, so that they do not cause

inflammation or prompt an immune response. Allergens seem to behave

similarly when electrified; that is, they lose their ability to

cause a harmful reaction.

4. DC at these low voltages (1.5-6v) also passes many free electrons

through the body in the path of the current. These may increase the

metabolic rate of healthy cells exposed to them.

Those are the " raw properties " of DC. They are known, certain, and

repeatable. Few could doubt it. I'm not sure which of them act on

RA. Something's up with one or more of these properties that is

causing RA to alter--and apparently for the better! yay!

bG

> >

> > great. I've posted the results to the files, so others can

enjoy

> > the fruits of your labors.

> >

> > In the one case of RA I tried, it cleared up in about 2 hours,

used

> > the whole time on the fingers of one hand. Mobility back and

pain

> > gone. Still gone.

> >

> > bG

> >

>