Re: Re: Basal cell update

[Guest guest]

Doing the happy dance! However, I did increase the current to 200 uamps as per

your suggestion and it really rocked and rolled and killed it even faster. Now

at the first sign of any type of odd growth I am going to zill it good!

Journeyman Ziller : )

Nikki

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote:

Holy cow!! I've posted into your file in our cancer section,

Nikki, wow. We so appreciate your filing the results, now others can

try this, also with some credible assurance of a good outcome.

You showed a LOT of courage doing this, NC, and we are happy to make

you an official Ziller. The level has to be higher than Apprentice,

so let's skip that, and make you a Journeyman Ziller. It was an act

of courage, what with all the talk about cancer tumors and

electricity being dangerous, etc. You showed us the way here, like a

Scout in the woods while the sun was going down (poetic, huh?)

We could not be happier for you, and congratulations.

You used a small amount of current, also for a short time. That is

significant, too.

Well, it's all in the files now, and is actually, realistically, a

part of medical history!

bG

>

> The growth is completely gone now! There is a light pink place

there where it was. I am going to zill it a little longer just to

make sure that any under the surface cells are not lingering. Of

course, the only way for me to be absolutely sure that it was Basal

Cell would have been to have it lopped off and sent to the lab, and

that is what I am trying to avoid in the first place. It looked and

felt to the touch exactly like the one that I had surgically removed

for about $2000. Of course, I will watch the area closely as I

always do all my skin surface.

>

> Regards

> Nikki

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got this info on the GEIPE website:

" Enzymes control what takes place in a cell. The pivotal enzyme for the

synthesis of DNA, and thus for cell growth, is RR (ribonucleotide reductase)

since it supplies building blocks of DNA. This enzyme is critical for the

growth of cancerous cells. Attempts are continuously being made to

synthesize chemotherapeutic drugs that would selectively inhibit this

enzyme, but with little success.

A novel way of blocking this enzyme is suggested by the fact that at the

" core " (active-site) of this enzyme is a lone electron (free-radical) which

is essential for its activity. Such free radicals can be neutralized or

disabled by passing mild direct electric current through the tissue. Since

the concentration of the target enzyme RR is much higher in cancerous cells,

as compared to healthy resting cells, the gentle DC electrotherapy would act

selectively on malignant growth.

The connection between low-level DC electrotherapy and deactivation of

enzyme RR is a new proposal. However, use of low-level direct electric

currents to treat tumor -- without any clear understanding of the underlying

mechanism -- have been reported in scientific literature at least ten times

during the last 50 years. Results of all these studies are consistent with

the proposed deactivation of the pivotal enzyme.

Outcome reported in three of these papers were very encouraging. For

example, a study published in the prominent journal Cancer Research in 1985

reported 98% reduction in the tumor mass of lab animals -- a virtual cure. "

And now Nikki has reported another case of tumor reduction (cancer cure).

Too bad the medical profession will never receive this information.

Dick

Re: Basal cell update

> Holy cow!! I've posted into your file in our cancer section,

> Nikki, wow. We so appreciate your filing the results, now others can

> try this, also with some credible assurance of a good outcome.

>

> You showed a LOT of courage doing this, NC, and we are happy to make

> you an official Ziller. The level has to be higher than Apprentice,

> so let's skip that, and make you a Journeyman Ziller. It was an act

> of courage, what with all the talk about cancer tumors and

> electricity being dangerous, etc. You showed us the way here, like a

> Scout in the woods while the sun was going down (poetic, huh?)

>

> We could not be happier for you, and congratulations.

>

> You used a small amount of current, also for a short time. That is

> significant, too.

>

> Well, it's all in the files now, and is actually, realistically, a

> part of medical history!

>

> bG

>

>

>>

>> The growth is completely gone now! There is a light pink place

> there where it was. I am going to zill it a little longer just to

> make sure that any under the surface cells are not lingering. Of

> course, the only way for me to be absolutely sure that it was Basal

> Cell would have been to have it lopped off and sent to the lab, and

> that is what I am trying to avoid in the first place. It looked and

> felt to the touch exactly like the one that I had surgically removed

> for about $2000. Of course, I will watch the area closely as I

> always do all my skin surface.

>>

>> Regards

>> Nikki

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

A letter from the manufacturer of the GEIPE device after his meeting with Cancer

Doctors at the City of Hope Hospital. Note the reason given ( I have changed it

to red) for refusing to research and test the device.

Dick

Outcome of meeting at City of Hope National Medical Center

Dr. C. K. Chou of City of Hope National Medical Center had received a copy of

the letter of response from National Cancer Institute and so it was very easy to

setup an appointment with him.

My four-hour meeting with Dr. C. K. Chou and his colleague & friend Dr. Yun Yen

went extremely well. By great fortune, Dr. Yun Yen, an oncologist who was

working with enzyme ribonucleotide reductase (RR), had recently joined the staff

of the City of Hope. He concurred with my line of thinking, and had even

observed, with Dr. C. K. Chou, that on passing direct electric current

concentration of enzyme RR goes down with concurrent tumor shrinkage. He also

agreed with my The Mechanism of Induction of Cancer: A Model, which states that

cancer is caused by disturbance at the active site of enzyme RR.

Dr. C. K. Chou showed me slides of his trips to China where many patients had

their tumors treated with direct electric current and got beneficial results to

varying degrees. Dr. Chou was employing " high-level " electricity to carry out

electrochemotherapy ( " Nordenstrom Modality " ), while my proposal was to use

" low-level " DC electricity to effectuate pure electrotherapy. Equipment and

procedure for the two would not be all that different. At the conclusion of our

meeting, Dr. Chou said that the City of Hope is always looking for new ideas,

new approaches and he should be able to accommodate my project if it does not

take several years.

I waited for some formal agreement.

However when Dr. Chou spoke to me next time -- after about 10 days -- he

informed me that the management disapproved my project because " it will not

bring patients " . I called Dr. Yen as well and was told that I was great but City

of Hope is not suited to work on the proposed cancer treatment.

[Guest guest]

Dick Rochon <rrochon13@...> wrote:

>However when Dr. Chou spoke to me next time -- >after about 10 days -- he

informed me that the >management disapproved my project because " it will >not

bring patients " . I called Dr. Yen as well and >was told that I was great but

City of Hope is not >suited to work on the proposed cancer treatment.

Although one would think and hope otherwise, The " City of Hope " , hopes only

for one thing. New patients and more profits.

The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices

and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical advice. All

info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you agree to hold

harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from anything you find

here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested in your

results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might

have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching.

--bG

[Guest guest]

Well Dick I guess one would have to expect this huh?

Jack

Re: Re: Basal cell update

A letter from the manufacturer of the GEIPE device after his meeting with

Cancer Doctors at the City of Hope Hospital. Note the reason given ( I have

changed it to red) for refusing to research and test the device.

Dick

Outcome of meeting at City of Hope National Medical Center

Dr. C. K. Chou of City of Hope National Medical Center had received a copy

of the letter of response from National Cancer Institute and so it was very

easy to setup an appointment with him.

My four-hour meeting with Dr. C. K. Chou and his colleague & friend Dr. Yun

Yen went extremely well. By great fortune, Dr. Yun Yen, an oncologist who

was working with enzyme ribonucleotide reductase (RR), had recently joined

the staff of the City of Hope. He concurred with my line of thinking, and

had even observed, with Dr. C. K. Chou, that on passing direct electric

current concentration of enzyme RR goes down with concurrent tumor

shrinkage. He also agreed with my The Mechanism of Induction of Cancer: A

Model, which states that cancer is caused by disturbance at the active site

of enzyme RR.

Dr. C. K. Chou showed me slides of his trips to China where many patients

had their tumors treated with direct electric current and got beneficial

results to varying degrees. Dr. Chou was employing " high-level " electricity

to carry out electrochemotherapy ( " Nordenstrom Modality " ), while my proposal

was to use " low-level " DC electricity to effectuate pure electrotherapy.

Equipment and procedure for the two would not be all that different. At the

conclusion of our meeting, Dr. Chou said that the City of Hope is always

looking for new ideas, new approaches and he should be able to accommodate

my project if it does not take several years.

I waited for some formal agreement.

However when Dr. Chou spoke to me next time -- after about 10 days -- he

informed me that the management disapproved my project because " it will not

bring patients " . I called Dr. Yen as well and was told that I was great but

City of Hope is not suited to work on the proposed cancer treatment.