Guest guest Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 Silver Pulser has a circuit for making colloidal silver. They sell an add=on that will adjust the current to constant so the silver comes out better. It is a fixed frequency, auto-godzilla can be set to almost any frequency you want. We usually use it very slow, at 30 seconds or longer. But it can be 4 hertz or 16 hertz or 100 hertz, 1000 etc. autogozilla is larger, and has a meter. I think the meter is important, and the slower switching speed is also good, especially when using near the head area, in fact I think around the eyes, you should use a manual unit that does NOT switch automatically. bG bG > Is the Bob silver pulser the same thing as an Godzilla Auto??? > Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange thing happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I threw everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I noticed my vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved the electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of scary. When I turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up using the 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used in the first place) and didn't have any problems. I am still trying to figure out why my vision would basically " blink " off and on in time with the frequency of the Godzilla. Has anyone ever experienced this? It only happened when I put the electrodes in my mouth (I have been talking to V about some kind of dental probe, would certainly make it easier to use on dental problems!). If I moved the electrodes to the outside of the mouth I didn't notice the effect. I can just see the headlines now - " Man goes blind using electricity to kill germs " ! ;-) Chuck > > Is the Bob silver pulser the same thing as an Godzilla > Auto??? > > Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Hi I just got the Godzilla a few days ago, There isn't anything wrong with me that I know other than my nose is stuffed up or running all the time, Since 1953 or so, anyway I sprayed my face with CS and put an electrode on each side of my nose, I got a flashing in the eyes on the 30 setting, didn't try the other setting. I liked the effect, left it run about 10 minutes, Didn't find any change in the running nose though, Maybe I should do it more often. Sincerely Yours, Hank Interesting Sites http://hdka.com http://www.861.info http://hdka.com/indexf.html http://hdka.com/mena/index.html http://hdka.com/cts/menact.html http://69.28.73.17/todaysshow/todaysshow.html Re: auto godizilla Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange thing happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I threw everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I noticed my vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved the electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of scary. When I turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up using the 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used in the first place) and didn't have any problems. I am still trying to figure out why my vision would basically " blink " off and on in time with the frequency of the Godzilla. Has anyone ever experienced this? It only happened when I put the electrodes in my mouth (I have been talking to V about some kind of dental probe, would certainly make it easier to use on dental problems!). If I moved the electrodes to the outside of the mouth I didn't notice the effect. I can just see the headlines now - " Man goes blind using electricity to kill germs " ! ;-) Chuck --- Hank's outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 8/11/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 The Lite godzilla was designed to avoid this effect, which seems harmless enough but is very distracting. It's the optic nerve reacting to electricity. see our photos for godzilla lite, and do not modify this significantly! What happened with the infection? bG > > > Is the Bob silver pulser the same thing as an Godzilla > > Auto??? > > > Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 If it's been running since 1953, not sure it would be a germ, but worth a try I guess. The Lite godzilla, used as the photos show, has a means to direct the current into the nasal area better than the method you are using. Applying to surface of a wet face would likely cause current to flow along surface of skin and not reach any areas inside the nose. bG > Hi I just got the Godzilla a few days ago, There isn't anything wrong with me that I know other than my nose is stuffed up or running all the time, Since 1953 or so, anyway I sprayed my face with CS and put an electrode on each side of my nose, I got a flashing in the eyes on the 30 setting, didn't try the other setting. I liked the effect, left it run about 10 minutes, Didn't find any change in the running nose though, Maybe I should do it more often. > Sincerely Yours, > Hank > Interesting Sites > http://hdka.com > http://www.861.info > http://hdka.com/indexf.html > http://hdka.com/mena/index.html > http://hdka.com/cts/menact.html > http://69.28.73.17/todaysshow/todaysshow.html > Re: auto godizilla > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange thing > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I threw > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I noticed my > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved the > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of scary. When I > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up using the > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used in the > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > I am still trying to figure out why my vision would > basically " blink " off and on in time with the frequency of the > Godzilla. Has anyone ever experienced this? It only happened when I > put the electrodes in my mouth (I have been talking to V about some > kind of dental probe, would certainly make it easier to use on > dental problems!). If I moved the electrodes to the outside of the > mouth I didn't notice the effect. > > I can just see the headlines now - " Man goes blind using electricity > to kill germs " ! ;-) > > Chuck > > > --- > Hank's outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 8/11/04 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 In message <cfqq6v+rb57eGroups>, cyberweight <cword@...> writes >I am still trying to figure out why my vision would >basically " blink " off and on in time with the frequency of the >Godzilla. Has anyone ever experienced this? It only happened when I >put the electrodes in my mouth (I have been talking to V about some >kind of dental probe, would certainly make it easier to use on >dental problems!). If I moved the electrodes to the outside of the >mouth I didn't notice the effect. > It's really just stimulation of the optic nerve with the electricity just like a muscle exerciser would make your arms twitch. >I can just see the headlines now - " Man goes blind using electricity >to kill germs " ! ;-) Quite the opposite. It would appear that the electrical stimulation can help with some vision problems. -- Clive http://www.bigclive.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 ...aha, didn't think it was a microbe, they don't hang on for 50 years and convince you that you need them or your life won't be worth living. Don't want to do that as I'll be dead then. Heck if I can't smoke can't drink, to old for sex, may as well be dead. > I sure do like the color I see with the Led. > Yours Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 I got the Gozilla and the led set up just in case I do need them later, Heck I had some money at least till the bush crooks get it all so may as well buy while I can. The nose thing is something I got in the army in 53 or so and never have found what it is. Heck it hasn't kill me in all these years so I'm not worried Thank you. Yours Hank Re: auto godizilla ...aha, didn't think it was a microbe, they don't hang on for 50 years and convince you that you need them or your life won't be worth living. Don't want to do that as I'll be dead then. Heck if I can't smoke can't drink, to old for sex, may as well be dead. > I sure do like the color I see with the Led. > Yours Hank --- Hank's outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.739 / Virus Database: 493 - Release Date: 8/16/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 After a few minutes of trying to hold two electrodes in my mouth and adjusting the current (at the same time) I finally got into a position I could maintain and let the Zilla do it's thing for about 10 minutes. I had one electrode on the inside of the gum and other on the outside of the gum next to the cheek - not an easy postion to hold. After 10 minutes my arms were so tired from holding both electrodes in place I had to stop. I noticed the pain had gone down quite a bit so I decided to wait and see if I was going to get any detox reaction. After about 15 minutes of waiting I noticed the pain was completely gone. I did end up getting a mild headache a couple of hours later, but it didn't last long, probably not more then half an hour and the pain hasn't come back (on that side) since. I have more root canals then Venice, Italy has water canals and I noticed tonight one on the right side (of face) is acting up, so I guess it's back to the zilla. The first one was left side of face and was from a 2 year old operation. The one acting up now is recent, from about April. Not sure what is going on here, maybe I just moved the microbes over to the other side of the face. Most likely both sides got infected at the same time and the left side just got worst first... After talking to V I ordered his wartzilla and I am going to try to use it as a dental probe. I'll keep everyone posted. > > > > Is the Bob silver pulser the same thing as an Godzilla > > > Auto??? > > > > Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 this is good! you got your results and you posted them. Apprentice Ziller is the current ranking, and you're quickly going to move up in the world. --posted to files. PS you can use electrodes outside the cheeks on both sides. Also between opposite gums and cheeks, too. In other words either do the top or the bottom. On top place them between gum and cheek on left, and gum and cheek on right. Repeat for bottom. 15 minutes at .5mA is probably going to do most of it. In a root canal situation, you should also move one electrode to top of head in the center, and one alongside the tooth on the outer side. This will force current to travel along root into the bone. bG > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange > thing > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I > threw > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I noticed my > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved the > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of scary. > When > > I > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up using > > the > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used in > the > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Hank, way to go. I think it's wise to have one, and I'm pretty much in the same boat that way, a few things here and there, but not much to really drive me on it. Yet, it's gotta be good never having another cold, flu, tooth pain, sore throat, infection, you name it, they add up to better survival, and in that sense you don't need the big one, a lot of little things can amount to the same thing. bG > I got the Gozilla and the led set up just in case I do need them later, Heck I had some money at least till the bush crooks get it all so may as well buy while I can. The nose thing is something I got in the army in 53 or so and never have found what it is. Heck it hasn't kill me in all these years so I'm not worried > Thank you. Yours Hank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Thanks bG! I appreciate the kudos! In the spirit of your earlier message about posting results I guess I should relay results (so far) another " malady " that I am trying to treat that is of a more personal nature and one I have been reluctant to discuss in a public forum - but hey, like you say, we are here to help each other so what the heck! I have been tormented for years with genital herpes (probably a holdover from my wilder days). I tried to convince myself that it was something else, but in fact, that is exactly what it is. Since I got my Godzilla I have been using it along with the electrodes to try to " force " it out. I treat it by putting electrodes on sides of the thighs and also from thigh to thigh. I also go from front to back on the torso, since the virus (also) hides in the back. Results have been less then encouraging. I ran it for for several hours yesterday and what is really weird is that under the electrode pad there was what looked to be an new outbreak! The only thing I can figure is that the electrodes drove the virus from within the thigh out to the skin, but why would it be directly under the electrode? And it didn't look dead to me, it actually looked like it was enjoying the electricity! That really p#@$@ed me off, so then I went back and tried using my rife Plasma generator on it. That got the outbreak to fade somewhat, but as of today it is still there - an outbreak in the shape of an electrode pad! Rifing hasn't worked (I assume I haven't found the right frequency) and I figure current kills more anyway, so I have been using my Godzilla in place of the rife. After this latest result, I am hesitant to use anything. I know the virus is very hard to get rid of, but I figured with enough electricity I can get it. Right now I am rethinking my whole strategy. Perhaps amputation... :-( > > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange > > thing > > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I > > threw > > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I noticed > my > > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved > the > > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of scary. > > When > > > I > > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up > using > > > the > > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used in > > the > > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Good for you. This is vital. I think a few things can be said about this now that we know what happened to you. 1. electric burns can mimick herpes and probably what occurred. Virus so far has never been " stimulated " by electricity, the reverse has been seen extensively, however. 2. Your choice of spots is not good considering where the virus lives and how it operates. That, more than anything else, can defeat your efforts. What would I do? I'm a layman, not a doctor, not even an alternative doctor, so I give you an idea that points the direction in my view. 1. use it on wrists and ankle arteries as usual a couple times a day for about 20 minutes. wrists one day, ankles the next, etc. 2. keep the current low, .3mA max. That may discourage skin damage. 3. when a sore appears or is germinating, directly treat it a few minutes every hour or so by placing electrodes on either side of it. For this short time the current can be upped to around 1mA. A pocket-size godzilla Lite (see photos) can be made for 3 bucks that will do the job on the go. 4. Make pads as I've described in my messages to luku, and others. In the herpes case, try on the lower spinal area, placing one pad over it and the other pad in the front, down low. Use for at least an hour or two, preferably overnight this way. I know that is a big assignment, but it may help keep the stuff under some sort of control. I don't know, as this is new stuff to deal with. Keep us posted, and I'll create a file for you. Appreciate the candor. Hey you have to be somewhat a player to get this stuff, so that's good. You found it easier to get than to lose. I think for some of us (like me at this age) it would be harder to get it than to clear it up. bG > Thanks bG! I appreciate the kudos! > > In the spirit of your earlier message about posting results I guess > I should relay results (so far) another " malady " that I am trying I treat it by putting electrodes on sides of > the thighs and also from thigh to thigh. I also go from front to > back on the torso, since the virus (also) hides in the back. > > Results have been less then encouraging. I ran it for for several > hours yesterday and what is really weird is that under the electrode > pad there was what looked to be an new outbreak! The only thing I > can figure is that the electrodes drove the virus from within the > thigh out to the skin, but why would it be directly under the > electrode? And it didn't look dead to me, it actually looked like it > was enjoying the electricity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Thanks BG! I have become absolutely fanatical on getting rid of this! It is truely my Obsession! I guess I have personified the virus and made it a battle of me vs. " it " . I really thought I had it licked when I ran the Godzilla for 4 hours - I used the 30 second setting and had almost 1.5ma (?) showing on the meter. After your post it makes sense that it would be a burn I was seeing (I'm sorry, I didn't explain well in my first post that I was using some electrode " pads " that V sent me). My theory on the pad placement was that current would run from front to back (or vice versa) and hopefully zap anything caught between the two pads. I will definetly try making the pads you describe and see it that works. I also give a shot at making the pocket sized godzilla lite for when I am not home (which is most of the time). I'll do the other procedures as you listed them and will keep you posted as to what happens. What really makes this tricky is the virus will go into dormancy for awhile and it's hard to know if it has been knocked down or just waiting for the next " round " . But to me, this is what using the Godzilla is all about - getting what medicine tells us can't be " gotten " ! It's going to take discipline on my part to run this thing into the ground, but what I keep thinking about is that if I was someone new to " electricity " and was suffering from this virus and I was on this list, I would want to know if a: it is treatable and b: if someone actually susceeded in getting rid of it and c: what *exactly* they did to get rid of it. That is what motivates me to do this and what finally convinced me to post it (that, and what you said on Friday about posting results). Others have helped me with their treatment stories so maybe I can pay some of that goodwill back with my own - once I actually have a story to tell. time will tell, I guess... > > Thanks bG! I appreciate the kudos! > > > > In the spirit of your earlier message about posting results I > guess > > I should relay results (so far) another " malady " that I am trying > I treat it by putting electrodes on sides of > > the thighs and also from thigh to thigh. I also go from front to > > back on the torso, since the virus (also) hides in the back. > > > > Results have been less then encouraging. I ran it for for several > > hours yesterday and what is really weird is that under the > electrode > > pad there was what looked to be an new outbreak! The only thing I > > can figure is that the electrodes drove the virus from within the > > thigh out to the skin, but why would it be directly under the > > electrode? And it didn't look dead to me, it actually looked like > it > > was enjoying the electricity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Some people are allergic to the rubberized, TENS pads. I am. Is that what you were using? Also, what current were you using? Too high a current can cause a breakout. I have to keep mine below .5mA. Are you using a meter with your godzilla? This is important. Dick Re: auto godizilla > Thanks bG! I appreciate the kudos! > > In the spirit of your earlier message about posting results I guess > I should relay results (so far) another " malady " that I am trying to > treat that is of a more personal nature and one I have been > reluctant to discuss in a public forum - but hey, like you say, we > are here to help each other so what the heck! > > I have been tormented for years with genital herpes (probably a > holdover from my wilder days). I tried to convince myself that it > was something else, but in fact, that is exactly what it is. Since I > got my Godzilla I have been using it along with the electrodes to > try to " force " it out. I treat it by putting electrodes on sides of > the thighs and also from thigh to thigh. I also go from front to > back on the torso, since the virus (also) hides in the back. > > Results have been less then encouraging. I ran it for for several > hours yesterday and what is really weird is that under the electrode > pad there was what looked to be an new outbreak! The only thing I > can figure is that the electrodes drove the virus from within the > thigh out to the skin, but why would it be directly under the > electrode? And it didn't look dead to me, it actually looked like it > was enjoying the electricity! That really p#@$@ed me off, so then I > went back and tried using my rife Plasma generator on it. That got > the outbreak to fade somewhat, but as of today it is still there - > an outbreak in the shape of an electrode pad! > > Rifing hasn't worked (I assume I haven't found the right frequency) > and I figure current kills more anyway, so I have been using my > Godzilla in place of the rife. After this latest result, I am > hesitant to use anything. I know the virus is very hard to get rid > of, but I figured with enough electricity I can get it. Right now I > am rethinking my whole strategy. Perhaps amputation... :-( > > > > > > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange > > > thing > > > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I > > > threw > > > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I > noticed > > my > > > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved > > the > > > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of > scary. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up > > using > > > > the > > > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used > in > > > the > > > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Some people are allergic to the rubberized, TENS pads. I am. Is that what you were using? Also, what current were you using? Too high a current can cause a breakout. I have to keep mine below .5mA. Are you using a meter with your godzilla? This is important. Dick Re: auto godizilla > Thanks bG! I appreciate the kudos! > > In the spirit of your earlier message about posting results I guess > I should relay results (so far) another " malady " that I am trying to > treat that is of a more personal nature and one I have been > reluctant to discuss in a public forum - but hey, like you say, we > are here to help each other so what the heck! > > I have been tormented for years with genital herpes (probably a > holdover from my wilder days). I tried to convince myself that it > was something else, but in fact, that is exactly what it is. Since I > got my Godzilla I have been using it along with the electrodes to > try to " force " it out. I treat it by putting electrodes on sides of > the thighs and also from thigh to thigh. I also go from front to > back on the torso, since the virus (also) hides in the back. > > Results have been less then encouraging. I ran it for for several > hours yesterday and what is really weird is that under the electrode > pad there was what looked to be an new outbreak! The only thing I > can figure is that the electrodes drove the virus from within the > thigh out to the skin, but why would it be directly under the > electrode? And it didn't look dead to me, it actually looked like it > was enjoying the electricity! That really p#@$@ed me off, so then I > went back and tried using my rife Plasma generator on it. That got > the outbreak to fade somewhat, but as of today it is still there - > an outbreak in the shape of an electrode pad! > > Rifing hasn't worked (I assume I haven't found the right frequency) > and I figure current kills more anyway, so I have been using my > Godzilla in place of the rife. After this latest result, I am > hesitant to use anything. I know the virus is very hard to get rid > of, but I figured with enough electricity I can get it. Right now I > am rethinking my whole strategy. Perhaps amputation... :-( > > > > > > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange > > > thing > > > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I > > > threw > > > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I > noticed > > my > > > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved > > the > > > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of > scary. > > > When > > > > I > > > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up > > using > > > > the > > > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used > in > > > the > > > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 sure thing, you're welcome. Remember the things we need besides your own goodwill: 1. time 2. DC current levels 3. location and type of electrodes 4. what microbe is this? with those we can tell you exactly what to do to clear it up! without those we cannot tell you much of anything! OK, for example, your using 1.5mA (not sure where you got idea to use that, but ok) for 4 hours in one spot (was it in one spot, I think you said so), we can agree (right, group?) that this would burn anyone, maybe even godzilla himself. That's simply too high for too long. For one minute or even 5 it might not be. For a herpes sore for 2 minutes it should be fine, for example. But NOT on your skin for 4 hours, no way. The skin begins to degrade at 1mA per sq centimeter. The electrodes do not act like an even surface, either, they begin to dig into small spots. You have to realize that, well, I guess you do, like everyone else..now. So, given these specifics, that's your answer. I'm sure you will force the thing into long term hibernation, if not complete riddance. Shingles goes like that, and it's the same modus operandi. The effect will depend on various factors, including the loaded immune system, and the use of electricity to hold down replication. Best of luck, and you will be helping thousands, many of whom you'll never know. bG > Thanks BG! > > I really thought I had it licked when I ran the Godzilla for 4 > hours - I used the 30 second setting and had almost 1.5ma (?) > showing on the meter. After your post it makes sense that it would > be a burn I was seeing (I'm sorry, I didn't explain well in my first > post that I was using some electrode " pads " that V sent me). if I > was someone new to " electricity " and was suffering from this virus > and I was on this list, I would want to know if > a: it is treatable and > b: if someone actually susceeded in getting rid of it and > c: what *exactly* they did to get rid of it. > > That is what motivates me to do this and what finally convinced me > to post it (that, and what you said on Friday about posting > results). Others have helped me with their treatment stories so > maybe I can pay some of that goodwill back with my own - once I > actually have a story to tell. > > time will tell, I guess... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 sure thing, you're welcome. Remember the things we need besides your own goodwill: 1. time 2. DC current levels 3. location and type of electrodes 4. what microbe is this? with those we can tell you exactly what to do to clear it up! without those we cannot tell you much of anything! OK, for example, your using 1.5mA (not sure where you got idea to use that, but ok) for 4 hours in one spot (was it in one spot, I think you said so), we can agree (right, group?) that this would burn anyone, maybe even godzilla himself. That's simply too high for too long. For one minute or even 5 it might not be. For a herpes sore for 2 minutes it should be fine, for example. But NOT on your skin for 4 hours, no way. The skin begins to degrade at 1mA per sq centimeter. The electrodes do not act like an even surface, either, they begin to dig into small spots. You have to realize that, well, I guess you do, like everyone else..now. So, given these specifics, that's your answer. I'm sure you will force the thing into long term hibernation, if not complete riddance. Shingles goes like that, and it's the same modus operandi. The effect will depend on various factors, including the loaded immune system, and the use of electricity to hold down replication. Best of luck, and you will be helping thousands, many of whom you'll never know. bG > Thanks BG! > > I really thought I had it licked when I ran the Godzilla for 4 > hours - I used the 30 second setting and had almost 1.5ma (?) > showing on the meter. After your post it makes sense that it would > be a burn I was seeing (I'm sorry, I didn't explain well in my first > post that I was using some electrode " pads " that V sent me). if I > was someone new to " electricity " and was suffering from this virus > and I was on this list, I would want to know if > a: it is treatable and > b: if someone actually susceeded in getting rid of it and > c: what *exactly* they did to get rid of it. > > That is what motivates me to do this and what finally convinced me > to post it (that, and what you said on Friday about posting > results). Others have helped me with their treatment stories so > maybe I can pay some of that goodwill back with my own - once I > actually have a story to tell. > > time will tell, I guess... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 I have a friend who has ulcers on her legs that the md's can't heal. I remember reading about microcurrents being used in hospitals to speed the cure of leg ulcers, as well as bones that will not knit. If you do a search on Google for +microcurrents+wounds, you will find reports of research that found microcurrents below 1mA were beneficial. Above 1mA they were destructive. The most effective currents were around 500uA. That would be ..5mA. It sems logical that if a little current helps, then lots should help more, but clinical research has shown that is false. And I think our experiments have confirmed that. Dick Re: auto godizilla > sure thing, you're welcome. Remember the things we need besides > your own goodwill: > > 1. time > 2. DC current levels > 3. location and type of electrodes > 4. what microbe is this? > > with those we can tell you exactly what to do to clear it up! > without those we cannot tell you much of anything! > > OK, for example, your using 1.5mA (not sure where you got idea to > use that, but ok) for 4 hours in one spot (was it in one spot, I > think you said so), we can agree (right, group?) that this would > burn anyone, maybe even godzilla himself. That's simply too high > for too long. For one minute or even 5 it might not be. For a > herpes sore for 2 minutes it should be fine, for example. But NOT > on your skin for 4 hours, no way. The skin begins to degrade at 1mA > per sq centimeter. The electrodes do not act like an even surface, > either, they begin to dig int osmallspots.Youhavetorealize > that, well, I guess you do, like everyone else..now. > > So, given these specifics, that's your answer. > > I'm sure you will force the thing into long term hibernation, if not > complete riddance. Shingles goes like that, and it's the same modus > operandi. The effect will depend on various factors, including the > loaded immune system, and the use of electricity to hold down > replication. > > Best of luck, and you will be helping thousands, many of whom you'll > never know. > > bG > > > > Thanks BG! > > > I really thought I had it licked when I ran the Godzilla for 4 > > hours - I used the 30 second setting and had almost 1.5ma (?) > > showing on the meter. After your post it makes sense that it would > > be a burn I was seeing (I'm sorry, I didn't explain well in my > first > > post that I was using some electrode " pads " that V sent me). > if I > > was someone new to " electricity " and was suffering from this virus > > and I was on this list, I would want to know if > > a: it is treatable and > > b: if someone actually susceeded in getting rid of it and > > c: what *exactly* they did to get rid of it. > > > > That is what motivates me to do this and what finally convinced me > > to post it (that, and what you said on Friday about posting > > results). Others have helped me with their treatment stories so > > maybe I can pay some of that goodwill back with my own - once I > > actually have a story to tell. > > > > time will tell, I guess... > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 I have a friend who has ulcers on her legs that the md's can't heal. I remember reading about microcurrents being used in hospitals to speed the cure of leg ulcers, as well as bones that will not knit. If you do a search on Google for +microcurrents+wounds, you will find reports of research that found microcurrents below 1mA were beneficial. Above 1mA they were destructive. The most effective currents were around 500uA. That would be ..5mA. It sems logical that if a little current helps, then lots should help more, but clinical research has shown that is false. And I think our experiments have confirmed that. Dick Re: auto godizilla > sure thing, you're welcome. Remember the things we need besides > your own goodwill: > > 1. time > 2. DC current levels > 3. location and type of electrodes > 4. what microbe is this? > > with those we can tell you exactly what to do to clear it up! > without those we cannot tell you much of anything! > > OK, for example, your using 1.5mA (not sure where you got idea to > use that, but ok) for 4 hours in one spot (was it in one spot, I > think you said so), we can agree (right, group?) that this would > burn anyone, maybe even godzilla himself. That's simply too high > for too long. For one minute or even 5 it might not be. For a > herpes sore for 2 minutes it should be fine, for example. But NOT > on your skin for 4 hours, no way. The skin begins to degrade at 1mA > per sq centimeter. The electrodes do not act like an even surface, > either, they begin to dig int osmallspots.Youhavetorealize > that, well, I guess you do, like everyone else..now. > > So, given these specifics, that's your answer. > > I'm sure you will force the thing into long term hibernation, if not > complete riddance. Shingles goes like that, and it's the same modus > operandi. The effect will depend on various factors, including the > loaded immune system, and the use of electricity to hold down > replication. > > Best of luck, and you will be helping thousands, many of whom you'll > never know. > > bG > > > > Thanks BG! > > > I really thought I had it licked when I ran the Godzilla for 4 > > hours - I used the 30 second setting and had almost 1.5ma (?) > > showing on the meter. After your post it makes sense that it would > > be a burn I was seeing (I'm sorry, I didn't explain well in my > first > > post that I was using some electrode " pads " that V sent me). > if I > > was someone new to " electricity " and was suffering from this virus > > and I was on this list, I would want to know if > > a: it is treatable and > > b: if someone actually susceeded in getting rid of it and > > c: what *exactly* they did to get rid of it. > > > > That is what motivates me to do this and what finally convinced me > > to post it (that, and what you said on Friday about posting > > results). Others have helped me with their treatment stories so > > maybe I can pay some of that goodwill back with my own - once I > > actually have a story to tell. > > > > time will tell, I guess... > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Dick, I was using electrodes I bought from V who turned me on to the site: http://www.vitalityweb.com/backstore/electrodes.htm I was using what they (on the website) call their " Premium Stainless steel imbedded TENS / EMS Self-Adhesive Electrode Pads " . The only reason I went them was because of reusability - I go through store bought TENS Pads like they are candy - the adhesive usually wears off after 2 or 3 uses and that gets expensive when you are buying them off the web. The stainless steel ones seem to have a better adhesive or something because I have been able to use one pair so far 3 different times and they are holding up well. The next time will be the real test - I haven't been about to get pass 3 uses without having the adhesive wear out. The only reason I went with 1.5ma for current was because that was the highest I could tolerate (sorry, no science for that one) and I am beginning to think I tiggered a breakout or made the existing one worst by going that high. I keep finding new patches everytime I check - seems to be getting worst, not better. I ran the Godzilla overnight about two nights ago for about 6 hours with current running about .5ma (anything higher was keeping me awake) and when I got up out of bed I noticed the TENs pads had pulled " something " out of my skin in 3 different spots (but only one pad - the other pad was " clean " ). I have had this happen with zappers, but never before with a Beck pulser. The stuff always comes out as a back grainy mass - it looks like a black scab but evenually falls off. If I try to pick it off (like picking at a scab), it takes skin with it so I just wait for it to fall by itself). Also leaves a little scar, which is not cool, but I haven't figured out how to avoid the whole event from happening (well, actually I stopped using zappers for awhile) so what I can do? I am sure it happened with the Godzilla because I left the TENs pads on overnight. Note to self - don't do that again!! And yes, you are right, I am using a Godzilla with a meter (made by V). I'm afraid I have fallen into the more is better trap - if a little current works, more will be better. As I posted earlier, I am rethinking my strategy and will post what I am doing as soon as I figure out what to do. Low current seemingly doesn't work and high current looks to tigger an outbreak. Not much room in there for adjustment(s). I intend to follow bG's recommendations and I will log time/current/electrode location(s). As I said earlier, I am determined to end this virus's run in my body and the way I figure it, I just need to be smarter about using the tools I have...maybe get a bigger " gun " ...anyone make an 10 battery Godzilla? > > > > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a strange > > > > thing > > > > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up so I > > > > threw > > > > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I > > noticed > > > my > > > > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I moved > > > the > > > > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of > > scary. > > > > When > > > > > I > > > > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up > > > using > > > > > the > > > > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have used > > in > > > > the > > > > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, > good luck researching. --bG > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Hi cyberweight, Those jell pads should last a real long time. If you keep the skin real clean where you are gonig to stick them. then when done with them stick them back onto the clear plastic liner and put them back in ziplock bag. If they get too dried out then put a few drops of water on the jell and rub it around for second and let them site a minute and they will be good as new. Take care, V mailto:vman@... Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 3:18:00 PM, you wrote: > Dick, > I was using electrodes I bought from V who turned me on to the site: > http://www.vitalityweb.com/backstore/electrodes.htm > I was using what they (on the website) call their " Premium Stainless > steel imbedded TENS / EMS Self-Adhesive Electrode Pads " . The only > reason I went them was because of reusability - I go through store > bought TENS Pads like they are candy - the adhesive usually wears > off after 2 or 3 uses and that gets expensive when you are buying > them off the web. The stainless steel ones seem to have a better > adhesive or something because I have been able to use one pair so > far 3 different times and they are holding up well. The next time > will be the real test - I haven't been about to get pass 3 uses > without having the adhesive wear out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 On the cold sore zapper made with a 9v battery and silver electrode, you just put it on the place where you feel like the herpes is going to break out, and it only takes a few seconds to abort the breakout. V might make these too. This might be the way to treat genital herpes also. Just treat each place locally before it breaks out. Dick Re: auto godizilla > Dick, > I was using electrodes I bought from V who turned me on to the site: > > http://www.vitalityweb.com/backstore/electrodes.htm > > I was using what they (on the website) call their " Premium Stainless > steel imbedded TENS / EMS Self-Adhesive Electrode Pads " . The only > reason I went them was because of reusability - I go through store > bought TENS Pads like they are candy - the adhesive usually wears > off after 2 or 3 uses and that gets expensive when you are buying > them off the web. The stainless steel ones seem to have a better > adhesive or something because I have been able to use one pair so > far 3 different times and they are holding up well. The next time > will be the real test - I haven't been about to get pass 3 uses > without having the adhesive wear out. > > The only reason I went with 1.5ma for current was because that was > the highest I could tolerate (sorry, no science for that one) and I > am beginning to think I tiggered a breakout or made the existing one > worst by going that high. I keep finding new patches everytime I > check - seems to be getting worst, not better. > > I ran the Godzilla overnight about two nights ago for about 6 hours > with current running about .5ma (anything higher was keeping me > awake) and when I got up out of bed I noticed the TENs pads had > pulled " something " out of my skin in 3 different spots (but only one > pad - the other pad was " clean " ). I have had this happen with > zappers, but never before with a Beck pulser. The stuff always comes > out as a back grainy mass - it looks like a black scab but evenually > falls off. If I try to pick it off (like picking at a scab), it > takes skin with it so I just wait for it to fall by itself). Also > leaves a little scar, which is not cool, but I haven't figured out > how to avoid the whole event from happening (well, actually I > stopped using zappers for awhile) so what I can do? I am sure it > happened with the Godzilla because I left the TENs pads on > overnight. Note to self - don't do that again!! > > And yes, you are right, I am using a Godzilla with a meter (made by > V). I'm afraid I have fallen into the more is better trap - if a > little current works, more will be better. As I posted earlier, I am > rethinking my strategy and will post what I am doing as soon as I > figure out what to do. Low current seemingly doesn't work and high > current looks to tigger an outbreak. Not much room in there for > adjustment(s). > > I intend to follow bG's recommendations and I will log > time/current/electrode location(s). As I said earlier, I am > determined to end this virus's run in my body and the way I figure > it, I just need to be smarter about using the tools I have...maybe > get a bigger " gun " ...anyone make an 10 battery Godzilla? > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a > strange > > > > > thing > > > > > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up > so I > > > > > threw > > > > > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I > > > noticed > > > > my > > > > > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I > moved > > > > the > > > > > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of > > > scary. > > > > > When > > > > > > I > > > > > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have > used > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > Godzilla > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > members. > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our > freedom of > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > ordinary lay > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > kind. The > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most > group > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > request > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > compassion. There > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > medical advice. > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme > of the > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > microbes, as > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > repeatability, or > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > understanding, > > good luck researching. --bG > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 In message <345332320.20040818155014@...>, V <vman@...> writes >Those jell pads should last a real long time. If you keep the skin real >clean where you are gonig to stick them. then when done with them stick >them back onto the clear plastic liner and put them back in ziplock >bag. If they get too dried out then put a few drops of water on the >jell and rub it around for second and let them site a minute and they >will be good as new. Some of the sticky gel pads respond well to being cleaned with a touch of soapy water. It can make them like new again. I guess that's the same as the sticky lint rollers that you can wash with a touch of washing up liquid to restore their tackiness. -- Clive http://www.bigclive.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 handy gadget. you can also make one using a 9volt battery and a 1k resistor. It will only be used for the herpes sores, though, and it's only to be used a minute at most, as this is pretty hot current. Just tape a couple of long stainless or other screws or nails (stainless screws are very good) along the sides of a 9volt battery. attach wires to the terminals and add the 1k ohm resistor in either one of these wires, so the current is limited by the resistor. cover the screws with cloth, wet and apply to the sore once an hour for one minute time. This costs you almost nothing and works like a charm. My special thanks, as usual in so many many things helpful and inspiring this research, to Forrest! (Jaguar Industries). It was his design for the herpes zapper that I just summarized above. bG > > > > > > > > Funny you should mention the eyes w/zilla - I had a > > strange > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > happen last week - an old root canal started acting up > > so I > > > > > > threw > > > > > > > > everything I had at it including using my Godzilla. I > > > > noticed > > > > > my > > > > > > > > vision would " strobe " , for lack of a better word, as I > > moved > > > > > the > > > > > > > > electrodes around in my mouth. It was actually kind of > > > > scary. > > > > > > When > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > turned the speed down the effect would lessen. I ended up > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 30 second speed (which is probably what I should have > > used > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first place) and didn't have any problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > > Godzilla > > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > > members. > > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our > > freedom of > > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > > ordinary lay > > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > > kind. The > > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most > > group > > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > > request > > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > > compassion. There > > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > > medical advice. > > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme > > of the > > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > > microbes, as > > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > > repeatability, or > > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > > understanding, > > > good luck researching. --bG > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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