Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 This is virgin area. The idea of using this on tumors or metastatic cancers in which the cancer cells are freely moving through the body, is something to be tested. We haven't any solid lab tests yet on cancer cells. We had a study that showed some cancer cells didn't reproduce as fast. This was done at Univ of WA, paid for by Dr. . The zapper was used on leukemia cells in vitro, and for 50k in research money they came to no solid conclusions. (an idea how much all this costs). So, don't count on this being done by " science " , you'll have to experiment, motivated as you are, by the urgency of the situation. The best advice I can offer in terms of what might be researched is similar to germs application: targetting the area to pass currents through the area and immediate surroundings. Of course, blood electrification via wrists might be helpful to reduce immune system overload if that exists. I encourage this research, as there's no conflict with normal medical attention, just do both. I strongly feel that medicine has done wonders with cancers when caught early and that should not be ignored. There's no cure yet. I have much more confidence in germ- killing abilities of electricity than any of the stories I've heard about cancer yielding to electricity..but that's not a reason to just drop it. Not by a long shot. bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 From what I have read the best results were found when the voltage used was less than 3volts, dc, and current of 2.4mA, with electrode pads (saline solution saturated sponges) on both sides of the body or limb, so the current went through the tumor. Treatment was 5 hrs a day for 21 days. There was total regression of the tumors in 60% of the mice. You would have to use a meter in series with one electrode wire to assure proper current. There was also a study done that achieved 98% elimination of tumors with 5 days of 1 hour per day, where one electrode needle was in the tumor and the other electrode pad on the shaved belly. Info found at http://www.cancer-treatment.net/The-Medical-Hypotheses-Article.htm You might also be interested in http://www.cancer-treatment.net/Effective-Nontoxic-Cancer-Treatment-To-Cure-Info\ rmation.htm. Dick Cancer and electricity > This is virgin area. The idea of using this on tumors or metastatic > cancers in which the cancer cells are freely moving through the > body, is something to be tested. We haven't any solid lab tests yet > on cancer cells. We had a study that showed some cancer cells > didn't reproduce as fast. This was done at Univ of WA, paid for by > Dr. . The zapper was used on leukemia cells in vitro, and for > 50k in research money they came to no solid conclusions. (an idea > how much all this costs). > > So, don't count on this being done by " science " , you'll have to > experiment, motivated as you are, by the urgency of the situation. > > The best advice I can offer in terms of what might be researched is > similar to germs application: targetting the area to pass currents > through the area and immediate surroundings. > > Of course, blood electrification via wrists might be helpful to > reduce immune system overload if that exists. > > I encourage this research, as there's no conflict with normal > medical attention, just do both. I strongly feel that medicine has > done wonders with cancers when caught early and that should not be > ignored. There's no cure yet. I have much more confidence in germ- > killing abilities of electricity than any of the stories I've heard > about cancer yielding to electricity..but that's not a reason to > just drop it. Not by a long shot. > > bG > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 My 2 cents, for what it's worth: I was using 3-4ma in pads over the liver for hcv, and I (think) the high current had a negative effect. Now that I turned the current down to 1 ma or less, and do the 2 hours morning, and 2 hours evening (thanks Bob), along with mega doses of C, (30 grams) and some quercitin, selenium, e, and alpha lipoic acid, noticibale improvement is apparent again. Just thought I'd mention this- because 2.4ma seems high now that I've had this experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 The 2.4mA was used to treat tumors with less than 3v DC. Using Godzilla over the arteries I use less than .5mA. Don't know about pads over the liver or guts. Comfort is not the only consideration. Some studies have noticed that higher current caused cancer cells to grow, not die. It could be the same with HepC and HIV. Using low current might require longer treatment. As Bob says, " We are in uncharted water, here. Hopefully with enough experimentation we will learn the most effective. To be safe, always use less current. Dick Re: Cancer and electricity > My 2 cents, for what it's worth: I was using 3-4ma in pads over the > liver for hcv, and I (think) the high current had a negative effect. > Now that I turned the current down to 1 ma or less, and do the 2 hours > morning, and 2 hours evening (thanks Bob), along with mega doses of C, > (30 grams) and some quercitin, selenium, e, and alpha lipoic acid, > noticibale improvement is apparent again. > Just thought I'd mention this- because 2.4ma seems high now that I've > had this experience. > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 You're on right track here. You don't want to kill everything (well you do, but you really can't) at once. I think the 3-4mA is very high and would probably affect the liver advsersely. I don't know where that amperage comes in, but usually we want godzilla's running .2-1.0mA, max. Godzilla has to have the high end output for cases using multiple sets of electrodes, so that you don't have to add another godzilla, just add another set. It should handle 4 or 5 sets easily. Good going Ck! The idea should be to use two (at least two) different places on the liver for each session, also. You can't keep running in only one place, move them about here and there to cover most of the organ in each session. When you do the evening session, also move around, cover it all. Time and coverage, not amps is what does it. Leave at least 20 minutes in each area, and hit at least 6 areas in your two hour sessions. Do them as you have been doing, at opposite ends of the day. bG > My 2 cents, for what it's worth: I was using 3-4ma in pads over the > liver for hcv, and I (think) the high current had a negative effect. > Now that I turned the current down to 1 ma or less, and do the 2 hours > morning, and 2 hours evening (thanks Bob), along with mega doses of C, > (30 grams) and some quercitin, selenium, e, and alpha lipoic acid, > noticibale improvement is apparent again. > Just thought I'd mention this- because 2.4ma seems high now that I've > had this experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 How do you know it's the change in current and not the whopping dose of vit C that gets the credit? > My 2 cents, for what it's worth: I was using 3-4ma in pads over the > liver for hcv, and I (think) the high current had a negative effect. > Now that I turned the current down to 1 ma or less, and do the 2 hours > morning, and 2 hours evening (thanks Bob), along with mega doses of C, > (30 grams) and some quercitin, selenium, e, and alpha lipoic acid, > noticibale improvement is apparent again. > Just thought I'd mention this- because 2.4ma seems high now that I've > had this experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 To - paraphrase the question - " How do you know that the change in current vs whopping doses of Vit C makes the difference? " I've had mega doses vit c IV several times before. No proof of course, but the 2 together seem to provide a 1-2 punch. (Still making apparent progress at this date; - several days after the orginal post, " Hep-c a mixed bag of progress " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Not sure, but isn't C an electrolyte? Might be conductive in the liver carrying more current along with it. bG > To - paraphrase the question - " How do you know that the change in > current vs whopping doses of Vit C makes the difference? " I've had > mega doses vit c IV several times before. > No proof of course, but the 2 together seem to provide a 1-2 punch. > (Still making apparent progress at this date; - several days after the > orginal post, " Hep-c a mixed bag of progress " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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