Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Dear Friends, Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new legislation in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for other countries in the world as well. This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health will be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As a result of our experience with government over the past few years we realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to the well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this energy and meet government regulations. We finally came to the conclusion that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or honestly travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process of appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental realm created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back to our roots—we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, to create. Our experience in trying to work with government regulators has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the one very sick and the other very vital and alive. For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, where like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to learn from each other. Our units will only be available to members of this community. Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle enhancement, relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products rather than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are for medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not wish to be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for SOTA, our customers and ourselves. Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public and the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for many months and it will still take many months yet but our new program will change SOTA to a private community offering our units only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and our members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep the intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better serve our members with more information and meeting to the best of our ability government regulations. The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy environment. Torlage and Lesley Punt Co-Presidents SOTA Instruments Inc. http://www.sotainstruments.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Russ, I know this is process is in the early stages (of changing over) but I hope you leave in some mechanism for referrals. I sent everyone I talk to who is unfamiliar with this technology (but open to it) to your website. Your devices are easier for novices to use, they are well made and come complete with everything needed to start immediately (other then the 3 seperate shipments necessary for delivery to the states). In some cases I have purchased equipment on behalf of others but frankly I would rather have them do it and take ownership of their health. Please take that into consideration for whatever you end up doing. Thanks! Chuck > > Dear Friends, > > Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new legislation > in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for other > countries in the world as well. > > This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health will > be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As a > result of our experience with government over the past few years we > realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to the > well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this energy > and meet government regulations. We finally came to the conclusion > that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or honestly > travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process of > appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental realm > created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back to > our roots—we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, to > create. Our experience in trying to work with government regulators > has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the one > very sick and the other very vital and alive. > > For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, where > like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to learn > from each other. Our units will only be available to members of this > community. > > Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as > long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle enhancement, > relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products rather > than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are for > medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not wish to > be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for > SOTA, our customers and ourselves. > > Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public and > the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for > many months and it will still take many months yet but our new > program will change SOTA to a private community offering our units > only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and our > members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep the > intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better > serve our members with more information and meeting to the best of > our ability government regulations. > > The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for > practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the > coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. > > It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy > environment. > > Torlage and Lesley Punt > Co-Presidents > SOTA Instruments Inc. > http://www.sotainstruments.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 If it was only stupidity, it could be corrected. Unfortunately, it is an AGENDA. Corny SOTA's Newest Chapter in Honouring our Customers and Ourselves Dear Friends, Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new legislation in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for other countries in the world as well. This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health will be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As a result of our experience with government over the past few years we realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to the well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this energy and meet government regulations. We finally came to the conclusion that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or honestly travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process of appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental realm created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back to our roots-we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, to create. Our experience in trying to work with government regulators has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the one very sick and the other very vital and alive. For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, where like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to learn from each other. Our units will only be available to members of this community. Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle enhancement, relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products rather than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are for medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not wish to be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for SOTA, our customers and ourselves. Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public and the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for many months and it will still take many months yet but our new program will change SOTA to a private community offering our units only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and our members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep the intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better serve our members with more information and meeting to the best of our ability government regulations. The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy environment. Torlage and Lesley Punt Co-Presidents SOTA Instruments Inc. http://www.sotainstruments.com OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 If it was only stupidity, it could be corrected. Unfortunately, it is an AGENDA. Corny SOTA's Newest Chapter in Honouring our Customers and Ourselves Dear Friends, Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new legislation in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for other countries in the world as well. This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health will be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As a result of our experience with government over the past few years we realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to the well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this energy and meet government regulations. We finally came to the conclusion that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or honestly travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process of appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental realm created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back to our roots-we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, to create. Our experience in trying to work with government regulators has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the one very sick and the other very vital and alive. For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, where like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to learn from each other. Our units will only be available to members of this community. Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle enhancement, relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products rather than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are for medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not wish to be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for SOTA, our customers and ourselves. Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public and the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for many months and it will still take many months yet but our new program will change SOTA to a private community offering our units only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and our members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep the intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better serve our members with more information and meeting to the best of our ability government regulations. The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy environment. Torlage and Lesley Punt Co-Presidents SOTA Instruments Inc. http://www.sotainstruments.com OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Hi Chuck, Thanks kindly for your response and suggestions. :>) With much joy I am happy to report that in fact we will be introducing a " referral " system whereby the " referees " will be compensated for their efforts. The new system will make everyone's life happier since it is easy, simple and virtually risk-free to the referees. Much thought has been put into the new system and I am sure it will appeal to many and also attract more to the system that ever before. Details will be released when we have worked out the bugs and are ready to implement it. Please watch our website for news on this or if you are on our mailing list we will mail you the news. We are so excited about our new chapter and feel that it will open doors that have been previously shut due to government pressures. Stay tuned!! Russ :>) > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new > legislation > > in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for > other > > countries in the world as well. > > > > This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health > will > > be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As a > > result of our experience with government over the past few years > we > > realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to > the > > well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this > energy > > and meet government regulations. We finally came to the conclusion > > that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or honestly > > travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process of > > appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental realm > > created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back > to > > our roots—we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, > to > > create. Our experience in trying to work with government > regulators > > has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the one > > very sick and the other very vital and alive. > > > > For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, > where > > like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to > learn > > from each other. Our units will only be available to members of > this > > community. > > > > Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as > > long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle > enhancement, > > relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products > rather > > than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are > for > > medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not wish > to > > be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for > > SOTA, our customers and ourselves. > > > > Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public > and > > the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for > > many months and it will still take many months yet but our new > > program will change SOTA to a private community offering our units > > only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and > our > > members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep > the > > intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better > > serve our members with more information and meeting to the best of > > our ability government regulations. > > > > The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for > > practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the > > coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. > > > > It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy > > environment. > > > > Torlage and Lesley Punt > > Co-Presidents > > SOTA Instruments Inc. > > http://www.sotainstruments.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 As always Ken, thank-you for your kind words and your continued support! We are very excited about this new chapter. Our customers (and anyone visiting the " community " ) will be very impressed with what they will have access to...probably for the first time. It will take several months for us to get everthing up-and-running, so please watch our website for news. Cheers! Russ :>) > & , > Extremely well said and I applaud you decision. South Africa is undergoing the same struggle. My sister and several other people I know are involved in that struggle. It is only a matter of time when it will be upon us in the US. We need to develop plans to protect ourselves from government stupidity. Please keep us informed on your progress. > Best wishes and much love, Ken > > Ken Gullan > Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424 > IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with developmental difficulties. > To contact me off-list use kengullan@c... or call 619-222-1104 > > SOTA's Newest Chapter in Honouring our Customers and Ourselves > > > > Dear Friends, > > Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new legislation > in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for other > countries in the world as well. > > > This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health will > be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As a > result of our experience with government over the past few years we > realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to the > well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this energy > and meet government regulations. We finally came to the conclusion > that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or honestly > travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process of > appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental realm > created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back to > our roots-we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, to > create. Our experience in trying to work with government regulators > has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the one > very sick and the other very vital and alive. > > For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, where > like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to learn > from each other. Our units will only be available to members of this > community. > > Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as > long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle enhancement, > relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products rather > than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are for > medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not wish to > be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for > SOTA, our customers and ourselves. > > Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public and > the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for > many months and it will still take many months yet but our new > program will change SOTA to a private community offering our units > only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and our > members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep the > intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better > serve our members with more information and meeting to the best of > our ability government regulations. > > The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for > practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the > coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. > > It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy > environment. > > Torlage and Lesley Punt > Co-Presidents > SOTA Instruments Inc. > http://www.sotainstruments.com > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Hope this goes well, Russ, it's an area we've needed something for a long time, and this idea seems promising. I think the govt is not in an enviable position having to defend the public at large according to one big rule book that fits some and does not fit others. So having a private area folks can relate to versus the public domain marketplace arena, makes a lot of sense. It makes sense for everyone, including the govt. They really have better things to do these days than to chase after people's little boxes with batteries in them, honestly. Doesn't that make sense? bG > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new > > legislation > > > in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for > > other > > > countries in the world as well. > > > > > > This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health > > will > > > be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As > a > > > result of our experience with government over the past few years > > we > > > realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to > > the > > > well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this > > energy > > > and meet government regulations. We finally came to the > conclusion > > > that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or > honestly > > > travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process > of > > > appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental > realm > > > created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back > > to > > > our roots—we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, > > to > > > create. Our experience in trying to work with government > > regulators > > > has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the > one > > > very sick and the other very vital and alive. > > > > > > For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, > > where > > > like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to > > learn > > > from each other. Our units will only be available to members of > > this > > > community. > > > > > > Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as > > > long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle > > enhancement, > > > relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products > > rather > > > than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are > > for > > > medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not > wish > > to > > > be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for > > > SOTA, our customers and ourselves. > > > > > > Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public > > and > > > the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for > > > many months and it will still take many months yet but our new > > > program will change SOTA to a private community offering our > units > > > only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and > > our > > > members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep > > the > > > intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better > > > serve our members with more information and meeting to the best > of > > > our ability government regulations. > > > > > > The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for > > > practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the > > > coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. > > > > > > It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy > > > environment. > > > > > > Torlage and Lesley Punt > > > Co-Presidents > > > SOTA Instruments Inc. > > > http://www.sotainstruments.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Russ, Thank you very much for your reply! I definitely do not want to be left out of the new system! This is very good news about the referrals -there are so many people out there who wouldn't do this on their own but when a friend or someone they trust says it works (and takes the time to explain how it works) they become almost instant " converts " ! I took a leap of faith when I bought mine (the Silver Pulser was my first purchase of a Beck device) and often people ask me why I did it not knowing if it would really work. All I can tell them is after reading about Bob Beck and hearing him speak (via his recorded lectures), I felt compelled to try it. Almost every person who asks this question says in reply that they would not have done that - yet hearing my story, they are willing to take a chance. So it helps to have someone take " point " on this subject - knowing I went down this road makes it easier for the next person (I talk to)it seems. I do want to clarify one point – that I said your Silver Pulser is easy for novices to use in no way implies that those more experienced shouldn't or wouldn't use it. What I am trying to say is that when you are introducing a person to something completely out of their realm of experience, you don't want to scare them off or dissuade them before they get a chance to try it. I know of the 5 people I have personally introduced to the Silver Pulser over the last 3 months everyone of them is still using it. These are not people comfortable with do-it yourself projects or complicated devices. So that is why I say it is great for novices. Newbies and/or technophobes are not threatened by its design. I would really like to keep using mine but my best friend " borrowed " it and I can't get her to give it back! ;-) There is one other thing here that Russ has touched on that I think is being downplayed or overlooked here in the states (at least I haven't seen much about on the lists or in the media) - the European Union (EU) Directive on Dietary Supplements. This is part of bigger legislation called the Codex Alimentarius, which basically is a ban of supplements (well, that is what it amounts to). Because we are a signatory to and part of the WTO, this will affect us here (in the states) when it becomes " law " in August 2005. If this piece of legislation isn't stopped, conceivably the supplement industry as we know it today could disappear almost over night. It is being fought in England by a group called the Alliance for Natural Health (www.alliance-natural-health.org). I would urge everyone to check out their website for more information on what is going on. on his website wrote a little " what if " piece to underscore the potential effect this legislation may have on the American Consumer (http://www.wrightnewsletter.com/nah/article.html). In this " story " he also mentions two other pieces of (American) legislation, S.722, the Dietary Supplement Safety Act and H.R. 3377, the Dietary Supplement Access and Awareness Act, both of which are attempts to roll back what little we gained under 1994 " DSHEA " law. When you read about the things that are going on it is almost impossible not to see the hand of the " pharms " in all of this. The community of alternative health is under siege like it has never been before - and things can only get worst if we don't step up and make our voices heard! > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Here's what we have decided to do as a result of the new > > legislation > > > in Australia that is destined to be harmonizing regulations for > > other > > > countries in the world as well. > > > > > > This global regulation effort to vastly regulate natural health > > will > > > be ongoing and we feel will become more and more restrictive. As > a > > > result of our experience with government over the past few years > > we > > > realize that the energy behind these regulations are harmful to > > the > > > well being of all. For three years we tried to work with this > > energy > > > and meet government regulations. We finally came to the > conclusion > > > that this path was not the one SOTA could productively or > honestly > > > travel. Our business and our lives were absorbed in the process > of > > > appeasing and trying to live within the very limiting mental > realm > > > created by political over regulation. We are finally getting back > > to > > > our roots—we started SOTA to care, to share, to free and be free, > > to > > > create. Our experience in trying to work with government > > regulators > > > has taught us that the two systems are in opposition, with the > one > > > very sick and the other very vital and alive. > > > > > > For this reason, SOTA is going to become a private community, > > where > > > like-minded people can come together to share, to care and to > > learn > > > from each other. Our units will only be available to members of > > this > > > community. > > > > > > Both the governments of Canada and Australia have told us that as > > > long as the intended use for our units are for lifestyle > > enhancement, > > > relaxation and well-being we are considered consumer products > > rather > > > than medical devices. It is only when claims or intended uses are > > for > > > medical purposes that units become medical devices. We do not > wish > > to > > > be medical devices ... we know that path is one of ill health for > > > SOTA, our customers and ourselves. > > > > > > Currently, our units are available for sale to the general public > > and > > > the intended uses are as above. We have been working on this for > > > many months and it will still take many months yet but our new > > > program will change SOTA to a private community offering our > units > > > only to members. This will allow us to offer more information and > > our > > > members to freely share information. At the same time we'll keep > > the > > > intended uses as above in place ... thereby allowing us to better > > > serve our members with more information and meeting to the best > of > > > our ability government regulations. > > > > > > The SOTA community will continue to have special programs for > > > practitioners and retailers. More details will be shared in the > > > coming months as we prepare to implement these changes. > > > > > > It will allow us share more freely and to live in a healthy > > > environment. > > > > > > Torlage and Lesley Punt > > > Co-Presidents > > > SOTA Instruments Inc. > > > http://www.sotainstruments.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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