Re: Quick Summary of HIV

[Guest guest]

Okay, I am sold. But, the question is, how did Beck and Kaali-Lyman get such rapid and great results using DC and bG got poor results until changing the method that seemed to work for the others. Am I reading this wrong?

jackson

Quick Summary of HIV

The data here has become larger than a casual read.I'll list the overall, 1000 foot view, for those wanting to get the salient points of the group so far:1. Kaali-Lyman study showed in the lab that HIV went down 94% in 3 minutes---19902. Beck built a DC device, a second one with very slowly alternating current, and a final third model that used 4 hertz frequency. He treats 8 AIDS patients an hour or two a day with it on their wrist, they all get well and are released from hospital from their death beds.3. Torlage of SOTA instruments, duplicates Beck's work with a second, different group of terminal AIDS patients, same results, all get well. Does dark field microscopy study, finds their blood clears up to state similar to an infant's blood, completely clear and healthy.4. Intervening years, not much happening. Beck is harrassed by FDA, visited by agents with guns, closes website, goes incommunicato. Plans and writeups still on the web.5. Years go by with little interest in it.6. , Rife, others continue studies and informal groups, publishes best-seller, introducing a device to fight parasites, uses electricity, is confused with Beck's, used by thousands.7. bG finds Kaali-Lyman study, other info, decides to ignore Beck and the rest, and do what Kaali-Lyman did, which was proven. bG makes simple battery device using NO electronics except a resistor and a switch in a box. Works incredibly well. Tries Beck's device. Finds it weak. Puts design on the web so others can use it, starts discussion/research group. Attempts to duplicate Beck and Torlage's work, but has no AIDS patients, only some with Hep-c and HIV. Most have no symptoms, but some do, and some have heavy viral load. Hep-c cases only marginally improved using godzilla, HIV marginal and returns when treatment is stopped.8. bG finally reads up on the pathology of HIV and Hep-c. Finds to his horror, that they live in intestinal linings and liver, respectively. Almost none in bloodstream. (no wonder it was not working!) By now, several important HIV and Hep-c researchers have come and gone from the group. bG urges that pads over these areas, and long-slow DC currents will be necessary to eliminate the majority of these two viruses. One or two try it, they both report dramatically better results when targetting the virus, rather than just treating blood.That is where we are at. We need to keep going with more and more people using on HIV and Hep-c using pads on the areas where these germs live.Researchers are put through a bit of a gauntlet here: learn a little electricity, learn a little pathology. Do in their body what was done in the Kaal-Lyman lab.But, when learned, you have an ability that could be worth a thousand times the effort, if my opinion is right on this. bGThe group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything a! bout repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

Kaali-Lyman treated the virus " in-vitro " in a petri dish, " vitro "

means stone or pottery ware (vitreous china, etc). In that setting,

they could be sure the electricity was directed at the virus.

Along comes Beck, who didn't know where HIV lived in the body. He

treated AIDS patients. Some of them got lowered HIV counts, some

did not. All got rid of opportunistic infections and were released

from hospital. That doesn' mean they virus was gone, just that the

things that were killing them, were. Remember, HIV has the effect

of lowering resistance. By itself it is not lethal, it's when you

step into another germ you have no defenses left, and other germs,

CAN kill you. He mentioned that some will see the count drop some

will not. And he said the role of HIV in AIDS is controversial.

I'm afraid there's another explanation beyond the role of HIV in

AIDS: the fact is when you clear the blood of opportunistic

infection, you can make it appear like HIV is also reduced, since

it's measured only in blood.

Having the much later data (only a year or so before Beck died) we

think HIV lives mainly in the intestines, and that by treating them,

at last, the Dream of Beck, Torlage, and tortured humanity, will at

last be realized.

We have to confirm only two facts:

1. Does it in fact live in intestinal areas?

2. Can we hope to reduce it with the small currents we have to

spread out over those areas?

ANSWERS SO FAR:

1. " yes " autopsies of young men who died of AIDS showed HIV heavily

in the gut. It also showed that wild strains existed in the gut,

and only mutated ones lived in the blood. No wild strains lived in

blood. When a wild strain mutated to where it could live in blood,

it became carried into the bloodstream.

2. We can first calculate how many electrons were used to disable a

given HIV virion unit. Done. It's in the 500,000 per second for 3

minutes range. Over the intestines, that will mean hours or a

couple days exposure to around .5mA DC current. It must be done

regularly at least twice a day, since the virus replicates every 1.2

days. It mutates almost every time it replicates. You have to

interrupt that cycle or its numbers grow too fast.

Current medical status on vaccines, and HIV/AIDS treatments.

HIV is not a very prolific virus, but it's a clever one about

cloaking itself from the immune system. It can develop sugary

coatings to fool the immune cells in various ways. It has around

200 strains in the same person. Immunity can become exhausted

keeping up with it.

Vaccines are 15 years away. Drugs should improve, but are probably

only a temporary measure as the virus mutates.

Only electric currents so far have any proven ability to:

1. inactivate the virus quickly with no side effects

2. ignore mutations

You apply godzilla, you don't need to worry about which strain you

have, or even what virus. Your only task, should you decide to

accept it, is to apply it to the most likely places, and to follow a

steady routine, watching and monitoring results. There's little to

no cost (not even talking about it, it's so low).

There may come a time when we simply apply a head-to-toe mild

current of less than a milliamp, at night, and by next day it's

gone. That is a great dream. AT this point, we need to know this:

Can someone with HIV that has been on drugs, or whose count warrants

use of drugs, depend on an initial intensive treatment with godzilla

type DC electricity for a few weeks, then a maintenance dose, and

NEVER again rely on drugs? If so, you have a " cure " in a clinical

sense. (People then, don't need to die).

Beck's " protocol " . This was used on the AIDS patients and consisted

of bloodstream electrification, applying magnetic pulses to lymph

nodes and other areas around the body, Colloidal silver to help

knock out some additional germs in people whose immunity had dropped

so low they had nothing left, and drinking ozonated water (to flush

toxins, ozone was not used as a germicide, just to flush toxins).

Using this protocol resulted in a person with a good profile a year

later after it, with no intervening treatments. Very few tests like

this were made, so we don't know exactly how repeatable it is.

If you do all that, and also use godzilla on the intestinal areas

and bloodstream intense at first, then on maintenance, it's a likely

shot you will have years without anything measurable to worry about.

The cost of all that junk is under 1000, even for the most expensive

ones out there.

Why don't I just use Becks'? two reasons: Kaali-Lyman used DC, Beck

AC. I use DC because it's proven in a lab under a scope by several

doctors who knew what they were doing. I'm just being cautious.

second reason: if DC works, any old battery can be used if used

right. People are then free of all the problems with manufactured

units. Makers go out of business, nobody takes their places,

lawsuits, arrests, consent decrees, and they are gone. You then

have NOTHING, not even the knowledge will exist. It all leaves the

public with nothing. But...not if DC can be made to work. That's

the wall I want to build between you and oblivion, so that you are

always fine, not just when we are lucky and the law turns a blind

eye to those making devices for you. You can still make your own.

And someday probably a lot of us will. WE will have to.

bG

> Okay, I am sold. But, the question is, how did Beck and Kaali-

Lyman get such rapid and great results using DC and bG got poor

results until changing the method that seemed to work for the

others. Am I reading this wrong?

>

> jackson

> Quick Summary of HIV

>

>

> The data here has become larger than a casual read.

>

> I'll list the overall, 1000 foot view, for those wanting to get

the

> salient points of the group so far:

>

> 1. Kaali-Lyman study showed in the lab that HIV went down 94% in

3

> minutes---1990

>

> 2. Beck built a DC device, a second one with very slowly

alternating

> current, and a final third model that used 4 hertz frequency.

He

> treats 8 AIDS patients an hour or two a day with it on their

wrist,

> they all get well and are released from hospital from their

death

> beds.

>

> 3. Torlage of SOTA instruments, duplicates Beck's work with a

> second, different group of terminal AIDS patients, same results,

all

> get well. Does dark field microscopy study, finds their blood

> clears up to state similar to an infant's blood, completely

clear

> and healthy.

>

> 4. Intervening years, not much happening. Beck is harrassed by

FDA,

> visited by agents with guns, closes website, goes

incommunicato.

> Plans and writeups still on the web.

>

> 5. Years go by with little interest in it.

>

> 6. , Rife, others continue studies and informal groups,

> publishes best-seller, introducing a device to fight parasites,

uses

> electricity, is confused with Beck's, used by thousands.

>

[Guest guest]

> The data here has become larger than a casual read.

>

> I'll list the overall, 1000 foot view, for those wanting to get the

> salient points of the group so far:

This was excellent, thank you. I did order a Godzilla from V but did

not fully understand the different methodologies until just now.

What you and all these other non-academic researchers are doing is to

introduce randomness into research. Academe and government are a

series of stagnant social relationships built around the process of

cogitation.

The real point these days is that we have a problem: too much

centralized indoctrination, trust of strangers whose training most of

us do not have the skill to evaluate, and the keeping of information

within those walls. Scientific belief becomes stagnant. People see a

good job in specializing, so they do that, and then the academic

researchers and practioners are not well-rounded. It's the consensus

process gone mad.

That is why I some time ago expressed appreciation for those of you

who would just up and build something, try it out. I think that to

point out addressing the intestines as a site of infection was a very

useful thing to point out. Thank you.

I am now using Jaguar's Multi-Pulser (non-Beck) and Black Box (4 hz

square wave setting). When V ships my Godzilla and silver probes, I

will add colloidal silver and straight DC. I need to find a cheap

ozonator. Also, for my ear infection, I am trying H3O and will add to

that. So I will not attempt a pure study but will throw the kitchen

sink at my problems. But I will record and share the data.

Badnarik for President!

Best regards,

Theron

[Guest guest]

Hi bG and all,

First when I downloaded the reseach files I can't recall seeing as

many case files there regarding HIV. I did read through the case

studies that were posted and did find them somewhat helpful and a

little more encouraging.

Secondly I have a BS with a Major in nursing. I had been in Pharmacy

school for 3 years when I changed majors and transferred most of my

credits to Univ. of Mass., in Boston. I also worked as a pharmacy

tech for 8 years, including a position as the pharmacy inventory

control manager. I am all too familiar with the techniques and

skullduggery that the drug sales reps use to badger the MD's into

trying their meds on patients. Also, since this position was at one

of the larger in-town hospitals and was an extension of one of

Boston's leading medical schools we were always conducting studies

for new medications. I also worked part-time with the editor of a

pharmaceutical journal devotedto research studies. To this day I

still maintain my RN licensure in Massachusetts and Florida.

Rather than bore you completely with a full C.V. let's just cut to

the chase. As you can imagine being HIV+ myself I have kept up to

date on current resaerch and theory. It is postulated that the HIV

virus sequesters itself in the lymph glands and nodes, the liver,

kidneys, and brain tissue. The issue with the intestines is that

while HIV may be present in the gut having a high T cell

concentration in the intestinal mucousa is very much normal. The

intestine is the first line of defense against any invading

organisms that are ingested. I don't dispute that there my be a high

concentration of HIV in the intestine nor your theory that to be HIV

free the intestine must be eradicated of the virus.

This is what I've come to believe through my years of experience

with HIV, the medical community, the pharmaceutical industry and

patients.

A) Patients on the whole never seek out medical advice or seek to

learn much regarding the care of their own health. We've been

indoctrinated with thebelief that you must be an expert in order to

effect any change in a disease process. The patient on the whole is

too concerned about other more pressing concerns, such as where is

the next meal coming from, and how are they going to pay their

bills. Their health is only an issue when an acute situation arises

such as a burst appendix or a gallstone and then the Medical

institution is very good at handling these types of cases. Truly for

more chronic illnesses we have to look toward changes in lifestyle

involving diet, excercise and the cessation of any destructive

habits.

The pharmaceutical industry has it's roots in the noble pursuit

of relieving and curing illness.Today it's just another money making

scam. It doesn't help profits if you're curing disease and eroding

your consumer base at the same time. Need I say more?

C) The medical community has far too few caringand devoted

individuals that actually have the empathy and understanding to

truly sit down with a patient and go through all the factors that

may be involved in they're ill state of health. It's turned into

another scheme with the motto of cover your butt. Most people

working in this field are under the duress of don't do, say, touch,

or even think anything that may land you in a court case. The

medical community has taken the lead from the pharmaceutical

industry and put profits far above true medicine. The current mode

of treatment is treat the symptoms not the disease. Many hospitals

now refer to their patients as customers.

D) So this is where I stand now: I can't believe these anti-viral

compounds are doing much good if any at all. I've never seen a case

where the side effects of the medications mimic the disease itself;

this makes absolutely no sense at all to me. True they do bring a

temporary reduction in viral load and an increase in T cell count

but at what expense down the road. I was a good patient at first

sticking with the regimen and then decided it was time to reassess

my priorities. Did I wantless than a sub-standard life for a trade

in longevity? The answer is a flat out NO! So for the past few

years I've only gone back on the medications when it seemed

appropriate based on viral load and T cell count.

Right now, I won't be alive in another year if I do not take drastic

measures to rid my life of this virus. The good news is I believe I

can and will.

I do agree with Hulda on her theory that the problem isn't

with the virus or 'bugs' in the environment theproblem is with the

host. I really believe due to what I've seen as an increase in the

numbers of chronic disease states that are speculated to have viral

causes that the human immune system is being suppressed most

probably due to environmental causes. I tend to think that while

the 'zapper' may be an effective method of attack it is not the cure

we seek. From what I've beenable to garner from different and

numerous sources leads me to believe that possibly no one method is

going to be a cure all rather that itwill take a combination of

different techniques geared toward different disease states. Add to

this complex mix of environmental, socio-political, bureaucratical

and profit motivated pressures that confound the study of any easily

made, readily available and ecomomically feasible means of

treatment the view of the medical community that anecdotal reports

are less than accurate and inherently flawed and it's not so

surprising to see that not very many people could be bothered with

the undertaking of an ill researched means of cure. This is

compounded by the lack of any one place that you could really sit

back and read all the total information garnered on any specific

disease state. This is where I am now after years of perusing

reports, any and all, that had to do with HIV. It's not an easy task

especially if you're not in optimal health.

I've decided that a good course to pursue would be to use the

Gozilla with Tens adapters and wrist electrodes and applying it for

long periodsof time, probably overnight. This is to be accentuated

with the Beck pulser over various speculated sites that are

repoerted to harbour HIV; this is to be in combination with ozonated

water and colloidal silver. I believe that I can adjust this

treatment, with the help of the people here, if any untoward side

effects do occur. Right now I know of 4-5 people that would

undertake this study with me except for a lack of financial

resources; there is one person that will be doing this at the same

time as me.(I'm not sure that this person will be fully compliant

with the rigorous task of journaling and so will make out some easy

to document sheets with objective and subjective data thus he'll be

able to make short notes and do check marks on a series of forms.)

I'm opting for overkill at first since any later studies may be

better able to undertake the task of paring down the treatment and

adjusting for lack of treatment tolerance for sensitive individuals.

I'll be undertaking this task alone at first so that after probably

a month and a half to two months I'll be able to handle most

complications and side effects for the other person that will be

doing this therapy too. (Also I don't think I would be willing to

ask someone to undertake this study after not having experinced it

myself first.) It would be helpful to have a doctor assisting us

with this and I will approach both MD's that are working with HIV in

this locale (it would be preferable to have monthly T counts and

viral loads done in order to adjust therapy if necessary). This

will hopefully allow me to visit with my sister and assist her on

starting her own tratment for her MS.

Sincerely and with much gratitude,

PS--I already know that I'm going to beat this, I just know!

> > Okay, I am sold. But, the question is, how did Beck and Kaali-

> Lyman get such rapid and great results using DC and bG got poor

> results until changing the method that seemed to work for the

> others. Am I reading this wrong?

> >

> > jackson

> > Quick Summary of HIV

> >

> >

> > The data here has become larger than a casual read.

> >

> > I'll list the overall, 1000 foot view, for those wanting to

get

> the

> > salient points of the group so far:

> >

> > 1. Kaali-Lyman study showed in the lab that HIV went down 94%

in

> 3

> > minutes---1990

> >

> > 2. Beck built a DC device, a second one with very slowly

> alternating

> > current, and a final third model that used 4 hertz frequency.

> He

> > treats 8 AIDS patients an hour or two a day with it on their

> wrist,

> > they all get well and are released from hospital from their

> death

> > beds.

> >

> > 3. Torlage of SOTA instruments, duplicates Beck's work with a

> > second, different group of terminal AIDS patients, same

results,

> all

> > get well. Does dark field microscopy study, finds their blood

> > clears up to state similar to an infant's blood, completely

> clear

> > and healthy.

> >

> > 4. Intervening years, not much happening. Beck is harrassed

by

> FDA,

> > visited by agents with guns, closes website, goes

> incommunicato.

> > Plans and writeups still on the web.

> >

> > 5. Years go by with little interest in it.

> >

> > 6. , Rife, others continue studies and informal groups,

>

> > publishes best-seller, introducing a device to fight

parasites,

> uses

> > electricity, is confused with Beck's, used by thousands.

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , this is a lot of valuable info.

I think you're in for a pleasant surprise. Go overnight on the pads

in the intestinal area, and for an hour with two wrists at low

setting so your skin is not hurt. That low setting that is easy on

skin, and short time on wrists is very important. Assuming your

heart is ok and no pacemakers. You need good skin condition. Use

pulse points on ankles alternate days with wrists so you avoid

chafing skin anywhere.

For first week, only do it 20 minute sessions three times a day on

wrists, and same on intestines. Drink lots of fluids, etc. Call me

in the morning..(kidding). Note carefully symptoms like:

tiredness, mood swings, headaches (most common) loose stools, aches,

etc. These will be very odd, in that they will feel " good " somehow,

as if they are at a head or crisis point. They tend to come and go

quickly, rather than taking you down. This is dieoff. You cut back

to reduce dieoffs, and increase a little bit when dieoffs abate. It

has to be very mild, gradual usage or skin will get hurt, or too

much dieoffs can be very hard on you. It's not necessary to suffer

wtih it..cut back a bit, and continue. Be a grown up medical person

and don't plunge. This is just like a drug, dose is important.

Best to you, and I'm sure you'll find it very rewarding. The virus

in brain is a late-stage event, and is not present in everyone. The

body will also launch a rally as you begin clearing out not only

HIV, about which I'm not as worried, but the other things that got

into you in the meantime. Those toxins and critters can die off

bigtime, so the word of warning is appropriate. Even harmless germs

load up the immune system. The harmless ones will also go. It's a

wholesale operation, so approach it carefully and persistently.

bG

> > > Okay, I am sold. But, the question is, how did Beck and Kaali-

> > Lyman get such rapid and great results using DC and bG got poor

> > results until changing the method that seemed to work for the

> > others. Am I reading this wrong?

> > >

> > > jackson

> > > Quick Summary of HIV

> > >

> > >

> > > The data here has become larger than a casual read.

> > >

> > > I'll list the overall, 1000 foot view, for those wanting to

> get

> > the

> > > salient points of the group so far:

> > >

> > > 1. Kaali-Lyman study showed in the lab that HIV went down

94%

> in

> > 3

> > > minutes---1990

> > >

> > > 2. Beck built a DC device, a second one with very slowly

> > alternating

> > > current, and a final third model that used 4 hertz

frequency.

> > He

> > > treats 8 AIDS patients an hour or two a day with it on their

> > wrist,

> > > they all get well and are released from hospital from their

> > death

> > > beds.

> > >

> > > 3. Torlage of SOTA instruments, duplicates Beck's work with

a

> > > second, different group of terminal AIDS patients, same

> results,

> > all

> > > get well. Does dark field microscopy study, finds their

blood

> > > clears up to state similar to an infant's blood, completely

> > clear

> > > and healthy.

> > >

> > > 4. Intervening years, not much happening. Beck is harrassed

> by

> > FDA,

> > > visited by agents with guns, closes website, goes

> > incommunicato.

> > > Plans and writeups still on the web.

> > >

> > > 5. Years go by with little interest in it.

> > >

> > > 6. , Rife, others continue studies and informal groups,

> >

> > > publishes best-seller, introducing a device to fight

> parasites,

> > uses

> > > electricity, is confused with Beck's, used by thousands.

> > >