Re: Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

May 20, 2004

Hi...when you say small pulser, do you mean the beck type?......is that the one you have been experimenting with?.........Robb

Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

The experiment rules, so you have something there. My experience is with the smaller pulsers on concentrated areas and without Lyme's to test. Lyme's bacteria does appear to be sensitive to big pulsers for some reason. I think it's great that it gives relief. It should be explored and used wherever it's working, since no side effects are yet recorded. It's possible that heat is doing this, as the big coil generates a lot of it, and induction may be sympathetically producing more inside the body. But if that is the case, then there's current in the body or there would not be heat. Not sure if body temperature rises during a session, anyone? If anyone has both devices, the godzilla meter may jump during a pulse, showing current rise, if any. It should be there. Knowing that would tell us more.IF it also works on virus, it should be tested on microbes in the gut for HIV, the Liver for hep-c. It might help with these viruses but we have to allow that it might not. Lyme's is also heat-sensitive I'm told a hot bath causes herx's with it, true?Small induction cooktops use high frequency high voltage coils to heat up iron in pots, making a fast cook, even fast than microwaves in some cases. Placing one near the body might be interesting to see if they have some effect. They don't generate heat on their surfaces, but their underlying coils get hot and have fans to cool them. They are about 120 bucks. Look up "Sunpentown Induction Cooktop" on google. I have two of them. They're slick, with adjustable power settings, timer, and the works in an attractive package. It's a great system for cooking who knows if it would power up your microbes to new levels? If it IS heat, and nothing wrong with that, then this thing might be a way to gently heat the area and kill the Lyme's, better than the big car battery thing. They do plug in the wall, so watch out, but are considered safe in kitchens, etc. NO ideas if this is really safe around the body used like this, however, watch out, please.bG> bG, I have no scientific references, but I can tell you that over 20 people > using the mag pulser on their Lyme have noticed that it does indeed kill > microbes, maybe better than anything else.> > Lyme people can easily tell this by herxheimer reactions, and other symptoms > which are unmistakable.>The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

May 20, 2004

I didn't know that the mag puls kills germs too! But I know for a FACT it

does something! I had some sort of an infection in my throat, making it

difficult for me to swallow. I pulsed my neck area regularly for a

week...the herx was so bad, I thought I would die! eventually, it subsided,

and all was better, much better than before I pulsed...Whew!! memories...

>From: " Robb " <rube2112us@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

>Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:43:19 -0400

>

>Hi...when you say small pulser, do you mean the beck type?......is that the

>one you have been experimenting with?.........Robb

> Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

>

> The experiment rules, so you have something there. My experience is

> with the smaller pulsers on concentrated areas and without Lyme's to

> test. Lyme's bacteria does appear to be sensitive to big pulsers

> for some reason. I think it's great that it gives relief. It

> should be explored and used wherever it's working, since no side

> effects are yet recorded.

>

> It's possible that heat is doing this, as the big coil generates a

> lot of it, and induction may be sympathetically producing more

> inside the body. But if that is the case, then there's current in

> the body or there would not be heat. Not sure if body temperature

> rises during a session, anyone?

>

> If anyone has both devices, the godzilla meter may jump during a

> pulse, showing current rise, if any. It should be there. Knowing

> that would tell us more.

>

> IF it also works on virus, it should be tested on microbes in the

> gut for HIV, the Liver for hep-c. It might help with these viruses

> but we have to allow that it might not. Lyme's is also heat-

> sensitive I'm told a hot bath causes herx's with it, true?

>

> Small induction cooktops use high frequency high voltage coils to

> heat up iron in pots, making a fast cook, even fast than microwaves

> in some cases. Placing one near the body might be interesting to

> see if they have some effect. They don't generate heat on their

> surfaces, but their underlying coils get hot and have fans to cool

> them. They are about 120 bucks. Look up " Sunpentown Induction

> Cooktop " on google. I have two of them. They're slick, with

> adjustable power settings, timer, and the works in an attractive

> package. It's a great system for cooking who knows if it would

> power up your microbes to new levels?

>

> If it IS heat, and nothing wrong with that, then this thing might be

> a way to gently heat the area and kill the Lyme's, better than the

> big car battery thing. They do plug in the wall, so watch out, but

> are considered safe in kitchens, etc. NO ideas if this is really

> safe around the body used like this, however, watch out, please.

>

> bG

>

> > bG, I have no scientific references, but I can tell you that over

> 20 people

> > using the mag pulser on their Lyme have noticed that it does

> indeed kill

> > microbes, maybe better than anything else.

> >

> > Lyme people can easily tell this by herxheimer reactions, and

> other symptoms

> > which are unmistakable.

> >

>

> The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla

>devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members.

>Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom

>of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary

>lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind.

>The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most

>group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request

>medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion.

>There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical

>advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme

>of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate

>microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs.

>We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about

>repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for

>your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

>

May 20, 2004

Bob,

Have you built one of the newer Mag Pulers yet? I built one using the 100',

#14 mag wire, wound on a VCR spool like the Beck pulser, and use it with the

12v car battery and solenoid.

According to Mike's newest spreadsheet it pulls pulls 48 amps and uses 571

Watts and produces 1438 gauss.

Using #12 wire with a 4 " radius I cannot get anywhere this gauss, no matter

whether I use single or double strand, 250 or 500 feet.

It seems to be the thinking on the mag pulser group that it is not gauss

that does the magic, though, and is more likely the current or RF produced

by the spark.

Whatever it is, I have had similar results to what I get with the Godzilla

for relief of muscle and joint pain from overstressing. So, it does

something.

Dick

Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

> Hi, Robb. Just the Beck types, right, so I know they are limited in

> effect to a small area, but have pretty high gauss in the area. The

> lack of effect was utter, nothing in toes with infection of some

> kind, and sore throats, sinus infections, etc using the Beck-type

> pulser.

>

> bG

>

> > > bG, I have no scientific references, but I can tell you that

> over

> > 20 people

> > > using the mag pulser on their Lyme have noticed that it does

> > indeed kill

> > > microbes, maybe better than anything else.

> > >

> > > Lyme people can easily tell this by herxheimer reactions, and

> > other symptoms

> > > which are unmistakable.

> > >

> >

> > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

> Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are

> free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your

> own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not

> doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not

> healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this

> group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT

> doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical

> advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There

> are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical

> advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to

> the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might

> inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein

> Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot

> say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical

> benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --

> bG

> >

May 20, 2004

The small beck type mag pulsers may have a very strong magnetic field up

close but it drops to 30 Gauss or less at 6 inches. So if you are pulsing

any deep tissue it does not have much power after a certain depth. The mega

mag pulser however ( mine at least ) has a Gauss of 212 throughout the

center of it and it fits aronud the body. So even though it only has a 212

gauss field it can pulse that amout all the way through the body to

penetrate any tissue or bone.

So for deep work the mega mag pulser is at least 6 times more powerful. The

Beck type magcnetic pulser colud only put out the much probably to a range

of maybe 3 inches.

And in order to induce a current via magnetic field requires a conductor.

So probably why you did not have results with the mag pulser on your toes

and the fungus is that it is probably relativly dry and therefore would not

induce any current in the fungus or surface skin all of which is dry. So in

that case a magnetic pulser wolud be useless. there has to be conductive

tissue (wet) for it to induce a current.

V

Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

The experiment rules, so you have something there. My experience is

with the smaller pulsers on concentrated areas and without Lyme's to

test. Lyme's bacteria does appear to be sensitive to big pulsers

for some reason. I think it's great that it gives relief. It

should be explored and used wherever it's working, since no side

effects are yet recorded.

It's possible that heat is doing this, as the big coil generates a

lot of it, and induction may be sympathetically producing more

inside the body. But if that is the case, then there's current in

the body or there would not be heat. Not sure if body temperature

rises during a session, anyone?

If anyone has both devices, the godzilla meter may jump during a

pulse, showing current rise, if any. It should be there. Knowing

that would tell us more.

IF it also works on virus, it should be tested on microbes in the

gut for HIV, the Liver for hep-c. It might help with these viruses

but we have to allow that it might not. Lyme's is also heat-

sensitive I'm told a hot bath causes herx's with it, true?

Small induction cooktops use high frequency high voltage coils to

heat up iron in pots, making a fast cook, even fast than microwaves

in some cases. Placing one near the body might be interesting to

see if they have some effect. They don't generate heat on their

surfaces, but their underlying coils get hot and have fans to cool

them. They are about 120 bucks. Look up " Sunpentown Induction

Cooktop " on google. I have two of them. They're slick, with

adjustable power settings, timer, and the works in an attractive

package. It's a great system for cooking who knows if it would

power up your microbes to new levels?

If it IS heat, and nothing wrong with that, then this thing might be

a way to gently heat the area and kill the Lyme's, better than the

big car battery thing. They do plug in the wall, so watch out, but

are considered safe in kitchens, etc. NO ideas if this is really

safe around the body used like this, however, watch out, please.

bG

> bG, I have no scientific references, but I can tell you that over

20 people

> using the mag pulser on their Lyme have noticed that it does

indeed kill

> microbes, maybe better than anything else.

>

> Lyme people can easily tell this by herxheimer reactions, and

other symptoms

> which are unmistakable.

>

The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla

devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members.

Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of

speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay

people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The

information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group

members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request

medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There

are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice.

The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the

group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as

it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are

interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or

whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding,

good luck researching. --bG

May 20, 2004

Folks,

I think magpulser works on RFs.

bobluhrs@... wrote:

good points. I'm not sure abt the sinuses and sore throat, but the toes does make sense as the infection was at surface and had little iron in it.

May 20, 2004

Folks,

I think magpulser works on RFs.

bobluhrs@... wrote:

good points. I'm not sure abt the sinuses and sore throat, but the toes does make sense as the infection was at surface and had little iron in it.

May 20, 2004

The iron does not matter it has nothnig to do with induction of current.

the object just needs to be conductive ....not magnetic.

Salt water is conductive and as you say the blood is many times more

condictive than the surrounding tissue. s o the mag pulser would induce a

current in the blood just like it does in a copper wire.

there is no iron in copper wire and it induces a curent from a magnetic

field. thats how we make genetarors.

Re: Mag pulsers do kill microbes

good points. I'm not sure abt the sinuses and sore throat, but the

toes does make sense as the infection was at surface and had little

iron in it.

It will have to have iron, not just be wet. Blood has iron. Liver

has lots of iron..hint..hep-c

bG

> > bG, I have no scientific references, but I can tell you that over

> 20 people

> > using the mag pulser on their Lyme have noticed that it does

> indeed kill

> > microbes, maybe better than anything else.

> >

> > Lyme people can easily tell this by herxheimer reactions, and

> other symptoms

> > which are unmistakable.

> >

>

> The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

Godzilla

> devices and other things useful in research. These are free to

members.

> Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our

freedom of

> speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are

ordinary lay

> people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any

kind. The

> information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most

group

> members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not

request

> medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human

compassion. There

> are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed

medical advice.

> The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme

of the

> group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate

microbes, as

> it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are

> interested in your results, but cannot say anything about

repeatability, or

> whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your

understanding,

> good luck researching. --bG

>

May 20, 2004

Thanks for the insight, V.

So, If I built a 6 " or 8 " diameter coil for use on limbs it should be more

effective than the little Beck type coil, and the larger one should be more

effective on neck and shoulder pain.

I am cautious of using either around my body, because the MD thinks I may

have prostate cancer, and I have heard that current will cause tumor growth.