Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hi joeljrey, I have a CD that covers some of the research done by Bob Beck, if you would like a copy let me know I will mail you one. I has a video lecture by bob Beck on it and a ton of other information, in case your not overwhelmed enough. :-) Thanks, V mailto:vman@... Saturday, July 17, 2004, 6:33:11 PM, you wrote: joeljrey> So far I haven't seen anything here that would lead me to believe joeljrey> that one unit is any better than another there's just no research joeljrey> base that I can dig into and draw my own joeljrey> conclusions. I need to find joeljrey> evidence anecdotal or otherwise that sways me to believe that one joeljrey> therapy is better that another. I'm willing to do the reporting and joeljrey> journaling and ask all for their advice joeljrey> throughout but I don't want joeljrey> to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is joeljrey> actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing with joeljrey> HIV. I think it important not to mix therapies if trying to research joeljrey> each. The true objective results are an joeljrey> undetectable viral load and joeljrey> normalization of T cells back to healthy levels and how long that joeljrey> state can be maintained. I want to start on the best therapy since joeljrey> that will be the one that will prove more useful to others. I joeljrey> realize objective results are only a part of the equation, quality joeljrey> of life is a major factor too. I've deliberately put off doing this joeljrey> until I had been off all antiviral medications for 3 months (no joeljrey> serious sacrifice since the side effects are worse than the disease) joeljrey> and had bloodwork done to show a starting point for therapy. If joeljrey> anyone knows of any info that would indicate to me that one therapy joeljrey> may be more beneficial than another please let me know. joeljrey> So far the discussion seems to have veered toward a defense of one joeljrey> device or another. I don't get the technical terms of electricity, joeljrey> although Kudos bG for that new section. I do like the research end joeljrey> though and think I can do a good job of a study with subjective and joeljrey> objective results as applied to myself and a good friend who has joeljrey> volunteered to do reaseach on himself. Just show me which device is joeljrey> more worthy of study because of reported results with HIV. Thanks joeljrey> for your time and patience. joeljrey> joeljrey> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 I assume you've read the group's files on HIV/AIDS, the Kaali-Lyman research at Einstein college, mentioned in our opening pages. We tried this on bloodstream, and though it seemed to help, feel it missed most of the microbes, which per current theory reside in the lining of the intestines. Your research should include a read of the recent studies and our files, not just the message threads. That should provide some insight. We do not, far as I know have anything that got the count to zero. Our researchers have been few and far between. Often they fail to report back and to find out what we have discovered. There's no body of data like what you are looking for, no studies, and nobody like yourself who is willing to stick with it and report in. Our people are good, but it will never get to where you are thinking it is given this participation. It's way better than nothing, and I've become convinced, just my opinion, based on watching the changing messages and reports, that an automatic version of godzilla, used with pads as the files and photos show, in addition to wrist electrodes, will get the lowest readings of viral count. To zero and gone is not, in my opinion, an option with this treatment, though it may be with the drugs, etc. Too little data to tell. I am confident, however, that using it may make drugs unecessary, and treatment very easy and clean, with no side effects and for all intents and purposes, clean. By the way, the blood tests, coming out negative, means only that blood-borne strains are not found. There are other strains in guts that only a biopsy can find, so there may not be a true HIV negative as measure by blood tests alone. The data at this point consists of very convincing lab tests and some stories, but a trend showing DC current applied to the virus can eradicate or greatly reduce it. Building or using Godzilla is a good first step to gaining control over this. I don't think it is going to be hard to contain it, frankly, at least I hope so. One guy took a 30 day drug holiday, use godzilla on the wrist, after 3 weeks, his doc extended the holiday 3 extra months, because his viral load dropped 25% without the drugs. That, to me, is significant, however, it may be unstable. 2% of the virus lives in blood. 98% is located elsewhere, and we are not sure exactly where in each person. The CD4 cells are highly concentrated in the intestines, so I'm recommending people try that. If you don't hear from them, it's because they either didn't try that, or didn't post. Funds for studies pay people to report, and if they don't report, they dont' get paid. this is volunteer. That's all we have. I wish it were more, but the ones who do report are truly great people, and we always thank them. Sorry we don't have what you might expect we should by now. But, all in all, I think what we have will have tremendous and unique medical benefits, or I wouldn't be devoting my time and energy to it. bG > So far I haven't seen anything here that would lead me to believe > that one unit is any better than another there's just no research > base that I can dig into and draw my own conclusions. I need to find > evidence anecdotal or otherwise that sways me to believe that one > therapy is better that another. I'm willing to do the reporting and > journaling and ask all for their advice throughout but I don't want > to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is > actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing with > HIV. I think it important not to mix therapies if trying to research > each. The true objective results are an undetectable viral load and > normalization of T cells back to healthy levels and how long that > state can be maintained. I want to start on the best therapy since > that will be the one that will prove more useful to others. I > realize objective results are only a part of the equation, quality > of life is a major factor too. I've deliberately put off doing this > until I had been off all antiviral medications for 3 months (no > serious sacrifice since the side effects are worse than the disease) > and had bloodwork done to show a starting point for therapy. If > anyone knows of any info that would indicate to me that one therapy > may be more beneficial than another please let me know. > > So far the discussion seems to have veered toward a defense of one > device or another. I don't get the technical terms of electricity, > although Kudos bG for that new section. I do like the research end > though and think I can do a good job of a study with subjective and > objective results as applied to myself and a good friend who has > volunteered to do reaseach on himself. Just show me which device is > more worthy of study because of reported results with HIV. Thanks > for your time and patience. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 > I need to find > evidence anecdotal or otherwise that sways me to believe that one > therapy is better that another. I have read too many accounts of local infections cured by electrical current to dismiss the idea. That is why I am giving it a shot. > I'm willing to do the reporting and > journaling and ask all for their advice throughout but I don't want > to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is > actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing with > HIV. Try them all! Get jiggy wid it! Just don't do anything destructive to yourself. For example, be very cautious about current levels applied to sensitive areas, to electroporation and herbs. > I think it important not to mix therapies if trying to research > each. The true objective results are an undetectable viral load and > normalization of T cells back to healthy levels and how long that > state can be maintained. Do you want to get better or do you want to be a double-blinded test subject? If you think electric currents may work on infectious agents which live at different parts of the body, and you have your choice of waveforms and current levels, why must you choose ONE methodology? After you're better you can return to narrowing it down. And it is very time-cosuming to digest basic information about the body and other remedies. It is not easy to get used to having to eat carefully. I still don't do that and I still smoke. Stupid habits but hard to kick. What I find is that I have to psych-DOWN for them, and be a simple, steady pragmatist who will stick to things that make sense, but which are new to me. I am getting used to it. Shortly I will be doing all the Beck Protocol excepting ozone, which I can't make yet, plus Godzilla. That's actually quite a bit of stuff. Best regards, Theron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:33:11 -0000, " joeljrey " <joeljreym@...> wrote: >I'm willing to do the reporting and >journaling and ask all for their advice throughout but I don't want >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing with >HIV. Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about alternative therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject a few years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the immune system. They didn't want to know! There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different methods to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for a month or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to blood UV irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all been shown to work Nobody cares. People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, IMO. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 You should post results. People read them, they accumulate, they count. Sorry you got discouraged, Dean. I don't think that people don't care. It is true that expecting to " get the word out " easily will surely cost you your sanity. Just listening to tonight's news, I learned that an SUV load of people had a highway accident, and several were killed (not the driver, of course). This was a Ford Explorer or Chevy Suburban that flipped over on the highway or shoulder. The occupants were young, there was alcohol involved, and nobody was wearing seat belts. The driver faces manslaughter and assault charges. Washington state has a seat belt law. Whether or not the driver was drunk, why did the passengers ignore all the seatbelt warnings? This same accident happened last year a whole load of people went head on at 60mph into a concrete bridge--all dead instantly. These were all joy riding kids in both cases not from the brightest families in town. A lawyer may get the driver's sentence reduced, but the courts that enforce the laws of physics don't plea bargain. Princess , awhile back, had an accident I also heard about. She, too, did not wear a seat belt, and analysis was that it could have saved her life. She also was joy riding, and probably not from the brightest family in town, either. But didn't she get any science training about the laws of momentum? Were any of these people to blame, given the education they got? My Father was asked by the man next door to talk to his son. " Bill " , says the guy to my Dad, " Can you talk to ? He'll listen to you. I see him cross the street and he doesn't look both ways " " Sure, send the lad over " , says my Dad. " Come here " My Father pins the kid between his knees, and holds out one of his own hands to the side and points to it, " Do you see my hand? " " yeah.. " says ..WHAM! My Father hits him in the head with the other hand. " THAT'S why you watch both ways when you cross the street! " bG > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and > >journaling and ask all for their advice throughout but I don't want > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is > >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing with > >HIV. > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about alternative > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject a few > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the immune > system. They didn't want to know! > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different methods > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for a month > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to blood UV > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all been > shown to work Nobody cares. > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, IMO. > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Fair enough question but I can't pretend to know the answer. I know of cancer patients that if presented with the all the alternatives to cure cancer would still choose to go with their MD's advice. People are under the pressure that they must do something right now and it's much safer to stick with the Allopath's methods which are supposedly tried and true and they don't realize the options are not so tried and true because investigation of alternatives has been blocked by the government, the pharmaceutical industry, and the allopathic AMA. It may have something to do with people being less than confident in choosing for themselves believing that their MD knows best. Also, they may have bought into the belief that alternative treatments are a lot of charlatans and crooks trying to make money off of people desperate for a cure andthere are a lot of people that are trying to do this. The mainstream media doesn't help with this since they'll only publish what comes from the Medical Monster. I know from my own experience that feeling that if there were a cure for AIDS or cancer I'd have heard about it. It was a rude awakening to find out just how much is really covered up. It took the realization that after working in a hospital the current view is to look at the patients as customers and if you follow the money you realize just what is going on. There is no desire to cure only to keep them coming back. I believe I've gone over this in some of my previous posts but the politics involved in this are beyond the scope and focus of this group. Why would anyone choose death and pain over life and health? The only reason I can think of is because they don't BELIEVE an altenative exists. Sincerely, > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and ask all for their advice throughout but I don't want > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is > >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing with > >HIV. > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about alternative > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject a few > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the immune > system. They didn't want to know! > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different methods > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for a month > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to blood UV > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all been > shown to work Nobody cares. > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, IMO. > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hi bobluhrs, Smart Dad, thats the way to train kids and animals. Only takes one lesson and there is no doubt about its message :-) Take care, V mailto:vman@... Tuesday, July 20, 2004, 4:33:43 AM, you wrote: > My Father was asked by the man next door to talk to his > son. " Bill " , says the guy to my Dad, " Can you talk to ? He'll > listen to you. I see him cross the street and he doesn't look both > ways " " Sure, send the lad over " , says my Dad. > " Come here " My Father pins the kid between his knees, and > holds out one of his own hands to the side and points to it, " Do you > see my hand? " " yeah.. " says ..WHAM! My Father hits him in the > head with the other hand. " THAT'S why you watch both ways when you > cross the street! " > bG -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I was just thinking the same thing. Maybe we are from the same generation--because I know now parents would freak if someone touched their kids, or even to think about doing what my Dad did to all us 3 kids. When we got big enough to play with matches he patiently explained why we shouldn't. Course, that went in one ear and out the other. So his next step was--and I will ALWAYS remember it--to sit us down and say " I know you don't understand this, that this hurts me more than it does you, but you MUST learn what fire is about " and he proceeded to strike a match and hold our finger over it. He never held it long enough to blister, but it did leave a red mark that hurt for a few days. I never picked up a match again until I became an adult. And lest anyone think that he was just being cruel--he almost died in a fire when he was a child. Nothing he started, but he went back into the house to get something. He still carries the scars today. Sometimes experience is the only way to learn--and being taught by someone who loves you, and will not let the experience get out of hand, is the only way to do it. samala " tossed down to live among angels, who have forgotten what they are, I strive to remember " RLV 1998 -------Original Message------- Smart Dad, thats the way to train kids and animals. Only takes one lesson and there is no doubt about its message :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I keep seeing that electricity cures cancer (Beck, , Crock, etc.), but I never can get any specific reports. There is a website that shows in 80% of the tests, tumors shrunk if needles were inserted and DC current was applied, but that would only be useful if the tumor was near the surface, and it was only applied by doctors and scientists. I am speaking of curing cancer with devices that we can make or buy. I wouldn't want to try to insert needles into my liver or brain or testicles. When I asked about all the reported cures by Beck, I am told that no details can be revealed, because they are private medical reports. He suggested treating cancer with his 4hz blood electrifier, a magnetic pulser, Colloidal Silver, and Ozonated water. And still we cannot get details on how many were treated, how many were cured, how long they lived, etc., etc. With all the speaches and appearances he made, I would expect more than random claims on a subject as important as this. believes that cancer is caused by parasites, and recommends a blend of herbs plus her Zapper to cure cancer. She does report cures, but there is no way to substantiate them. Also, anecdotal reports, while interesting, do not always prove anything, because if 5 or 10 or 100 cures were verifiable, they might have treated 10,000 who were not cured. Unless I missed it, there has been no verifiable reports of anyone being cured by Godzilla. I assume that since it deactivates virus, and cancer may be caused by a virus, that it should cure cancer, but you know what assumptions cause. And there are claims that electricity causes tumors to grow. That many doctors and hospitals used electricity to treat cancer in the early 20th century, but that it was stopped, because it did not help. Since cancer kills more people than HIV/AIDS, HepC and Lime disease, I would think that there would be more interest. In fact, I read that in Sweden where autopsies are performed on everyone that dies, who is not under the a doctor's care, almost 90% have cancer. That is not always the reason they died, but almost everyone had a cancer that their system was controlling. So, it is likely that we all have a cancer. If anyone has verifiable knowledge of any successful treatments of cancer with Godzilla, or other simple devices, I would sure like to know about it. If there is fear that this group will be shut down by the FDA, etc., for reporting medical cures, please write me personally. Dick Re: Okay I'm overwhelmed! > > Fair enough question but I can't pretend to know > the answer. > > I know of cancer patients that if presented with the all the > alternatives to cure cancer would still choose to go with their MD's > advice. People are under the pressure that they must do something > right now and it's much safer to stick with the Allopath's methods > which are supposedly tried and true and they don't realize the > options are not so tried and true because investigation of > alternatives has been blocked by the government, the pharmaceutical > industry, and the allopathic AMA. It may have something to do with > people being less than confident in choosing for themselves > believing that their MD knows best. Also, they may have bought into > the belief that alternative treatments are a lot of charlatans and > crooks trying to make money off of people desperate for a cure > andthere are a lot of people that are trying to do this. The > mainstream media doesn't help with this since they'll only publish > what comes from the Medical Monster. I know from my own experience > that feeling that if there were a cure for AIDS or cancer I'd have > heard about it. It was a rude awakening to find out just how much is > really covered up. It took the realization that after working in a > hospital the current view is to look at the patients as customers > and if you follow the money you realize just what is going on. There > is no desire to cure only to keep them coming back. I believe I've > gone over this in some of my previous posts but the politics > involved in this are beyond the scope and focus of this group. Why > would anyone choose death and pain over life and health? The only > reason I can think of is because they don't BELIEVE an altenative > exists. > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and > ask all for their advice > throughout but I don't want > > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is > > >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing > with > > >HIV. > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about alternative > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject a few > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the immune > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > methods > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for a > month > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > blood UV > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all > been > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, IMO. > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 We did have a leukemia case in which lymph nodes shrank, symptoms gone, etc in 80 year old woman. The relief came in a week using 4 hertz. She died before we could follow it up much. Her death not related to leukemia. There is a viral form of leukemia. It's a blood thing, so the electrifier worked. Metastatic cancer moves around in blood and fluids as single cell tumors. Electricity seems to disable them. A retired MD has been studying and finding that unusual concentrations of bacteria always accompany tumors at their outer edges. And the tumors only grow at the outer edges. His work has been ignored by all but me. Now you know, I can no longer conceal it from you. Sticking needles, making incisions, etc, are not needed. Doctors are so used to pills, knives, fluids, they probably think everything has a mass and needs room to enter the body. Electrons, simply do not need that. Electricity may be able to reduce load on immune system (surely does not make it worse). If so, then there could be interleuken, etc produced that can dispose of tumors. That's if the immune system wants to rally. But..if it never reaches the tumor areas, and that is what the above doctor's saying, these bacteria live where there are pockets that the immune system is not able to reach, maybe due to swelling or pressures or occlusions, then the tumor can grow unimpeded. bG > > > > > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and > > ask all for their advice > > throughout but I don't want > > > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy is > > > >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing > > with > > > >HIV. > > > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about alternative > > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject a few > > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the immune > > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > > methods > > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for a > > month > > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > > blood UV > > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all > > been > > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, IMO. > > > > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, > good luck researching. --bG > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 To be clear, it's not certain these bacteria are really causing anything or just their presence indicates the lack of immunity in the area they are growing in. Killing them off may have no effect. Dental conditions could be dropping immunity overall, if there's a fight going on there, and it may not be obvious, and may not reduce the load on the system until cleared up. Or, it may be necessary to get immunity up by whole body means once infections are gone. I didn't get that Beck had any actual reports on cancer on file. He did have a statement from a director of a clinic in Mexico using his methods and saying 87 percent of their late stage cases were " getting well " , whatever that actually means. I hope the clinic was not Dr. 's! She diagnoses and cures cancers in 3 minutes to her own complete satisfaction. bG > > > > > > > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and > > > ask all for their advice > > > throughout but I don't want > > > > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy > is > > > > >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing > > > with > > > > >HIV. > > > > > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about > alternative > > > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject > a few > > > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > > > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the > immune > > > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > > > methods > > > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for > a > > > month > > > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > > > blood UV > > > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all > > > been > > > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > Godzilla > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > members. > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our > freedom of > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > ordinary lay > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > kind. The > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most > group > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > request > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > compassion. There > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > medical advice. > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme > of the > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > microbes, as > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > repeatability, or > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > understanding, > > good luck researching. --bG > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hey dick, http://www.cancer-treatment.net/ http://www.cancer-treatment.net/GEIPE-Instructions.htm This guy sells a device he calls GEIPE, gentle electrical somethign or other. the website is being reworked, so it's not navigable right now but last time I checked he had some old animal research results that showed tumor regression using a stainless steel anode and dc current between o.1 mA through 2.4 mA. At 2.4 mA, 98% reduction of tumor mass. This was a 1985 study of in vivo tumors of hamsters. I tried to buy one but he wouldn't sell me (I think he thought I was crazy which I actually was at the time freshly shocked by a diagnosis of breast cancer). I was quite the mental case for a while, but I'm smarter now. But he did tell me that he has been getting good reports from various practitioners and private individuals using the device. The output is between 3 and 6 mA, with an ammeter to monitor the current. On other pages he has protocol parameters and electrode placement guidelines. He even has a transcript of a conversation with Beck himself somewhere on his website. I have seen reference to his work elsewhere and it's being credited with some good results. His email is: GEIPE@... Who knows, maybe he'll give you some insight into his gizmo. Word is that his only focus is on trying to help people with cancers, so he may be quite free with his knowledge. And yes, we probably all do have cancer at one time or another in one location or another. There seem to be many reasons for cancer to develop, hence the lack of a single focus for a cure. But if we keep communication and open minded awareness alive, we may just have a chance to bypass some of the misery. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hey All, I really suspect but haven't read through all of the theories on it, that it seems that we have a proliferation of virally suspected diseases. I may be drawing conclusions too fast and too furiously but I really think we have some form of environmental pollution that's suppresing peoples immune systems to varying levels of functioning. What if cancer and AIDS are just opportunistic infections that slip through an already weakened immune system. I don't believe the cure is in killing the virus but in restoring the immune function back to optimal levels. Of course killing the virus wouldn't hurt either. I'm a little tired but have just placed my order for the 'zilla, so am quite pleased to report that I'll be able to start making journal entries next week at some point. So let's all keep our fingers and toes crossed. I do have an allergy to any type of adhesive, notably this just happened within the past 3 years. So I could use some advice on how to best secure the electrodes. I do have a full head of hair! So let's all play pin the 'trodes on the Yankee! Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and > > > > ask all for their advice > > > > throughout but I don't want > > > > > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one > therapy > > is > > > > > >actually better than any other in terms of success in > dealing > > > > with > > > > > >HIV. > > > > > > > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > > > > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about > > alternative > > > > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this > subject > > a few > > > > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the > methods > > > > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the > > immune > > > > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > > > > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > > > > methods > > > > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > > > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day > for > > a > > > > month > > > > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > > > > blood UV > > > > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > > > > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've > all > > > > been > > > > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > > Godzilla > > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > > members. > > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take > our > > freedom of > > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > > ordinary lay > > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > > kind. The > > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. > Most > > group > > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > > request > > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > > compassion. There > > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > > medical advice. > > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the > theme > > of the > > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > > microbes, as > > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We > are > > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > > repeatability, or > > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > > understanding, > > > good luck researching. --bG > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I don't know abt cancer but viruses like a nice healthy body to invade. Flu of 1918 killed off the healthiest, not the sickest. There's a genetic strain who don't get HIV but it's just a different gene, not that these people are any healthier in other respects than anyone else. Immune system, even if healthy, will often fail to recognize HIV. Though there be plenty of immune system cells all very active, still, if they never touch the virus, it can elude and even invade them. That's what appears to be the consensus amongst the researchers as to the reason this takes out healthy people. This particular virus coats itself with your OWN identity, much like a cancerous cell. So the immune system thinks it's just you, and does not attack it. It then attaches to the immune cells and invades them. Glad to hear you're getting in gear, and let's all hope for the best outcome! bG > > To be clear, it's not certain these bacteria are really causing > > anything or just their presence indicates the lack of immunity in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Thanks, Bob. I'll file this info, hoping that more will turn up eventually. I don't know how many members there are in our group, but if 10% of the general population is suffering from cancer, its likely that that many of us are too. If any of them are treating themselves with Godzilla it would be helpful if they would share their results; good or bad. Dick Re: Okay I'm overwhelmed! > We did have a leukemia case in which lymph nodes shrank, symptoms > gone, etc in 80 year old woman. The relief came in a week using 4 > hertz. She died before we could follow it up much. Her death not > related to leukemia. There is a viral form of leukemia. It's a > blood thing, so the electrifier worked. Metastatic cancer moves > around in blood and fluids as single cell tumors. Electricity seems > to disable them. > > A retired MD has been studying and finding that unusual > concentrations of bacteria always accompany tumors at their outer > edges. And the tumors only grow at the outer edges. His work has > been ignored by all but me. Now you know, I can no longer conceal > it from you. > > Sticking needles, making incisions, etc, are not needed. Doctors > are so used to pills, knives, fluids, they probably think everything > has a mass and needs room to enter the body. Electrons, simply do > not need that. > > Electricity may be able to reduce load on immune system (surely does > not make it worse). If so, then there could be interleuken, etc > produced that can dispose of tumors. That's if the immune system > wants to rally. > > But..if it never reaches the tumor areas, and that is what the above > doctor's saying, these bacteria live where there are pockets that > the immune system is not able to reach, maybe due to swelling or > pressures or occlusions, then the tumor can grow unimpeded. > > bG > > > > > > > > > > >I'm willing to do the reporting and > > > ask all for their advice > > > throughout but I don't want > > > > >to start on one therapy if there's evidence that one therapy > is > > > > >actually better than any other in terms of success in dealing > > > with > > > > >HIV. > > > > > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about > alternative > > > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject > a few > > > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > > > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the > immune > > > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > > > methods > > > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for > a > > > month > > > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > > > blood UV > > > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all > > > been > > > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > Godzilla > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > members. > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our > freedom of > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > ordinary lay > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > kind. The > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most > group > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > request > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > compassion. There > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > medical advice. > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme > of the > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > microbes, as > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > repeatability, or > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > understanding, > > good luck researching. --bG > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:38:33 -0000, " joeljrey " <joeljreym@...> wrote: >I know of cancer patients that if presented with the all the >alternatives to cure cancer would still choose to go with their MD's >advice. You don't have to tell me about it. My younger brother died of cancer (well, IMO he died from the treatments) over 10 years ago. I did what I could to help him, supplying information and contacts -- he didn't want to know. He didn't watch the video I got that described and detailed the Hoxsey treatments (I didn't know of Essiac or Budwig at the time -- before the WWW became useful). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I understand; my mother passed away Christmas 1989 but I was caring for her at the time. It's a day I won't forget but at that time we all believed that she was getting the best medical treatment at the time. She had Colon Cancer that had metastasized to the liver. Who knew back then that this unholy alliance between the government, AMA and Pharm. Ind. was blocking study into any alternative treatments. I know that if at the time of her diagnosis someone had mentioned any alternative therapies I would have looked at them as if they were nuts. Needless to say hindsight is 20/20! BUt could you explain to me what IMO means? Thanks. Sincerely, Re: Re: Okay I'm overwhelmed! On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:38:33 -0000, "joeljrey" <joeljreym@...>wrote:>I know of cancer patients that if presented with the all the >alternatives to cure cancer would still choose to go with their MD's >advice. You don't have to tell me about it. My younger brother died of cancer(well, IMO he died from the treatments) over 10 years ago. I did whatI could to help him, supplying information and contacts -- he didn'twant to know. He didn't watch the video I got that described anddetailed the Hoxsey treatments (I didn't know of Essiac or Budwig atthe time -- before the WWW became useful). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDFThe group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hi , IMO = In My Opinion There are lots of acronyms used in email. There's a list somewhere on the web (probably thousands of lists On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:26:02 -0400, " Reynolds " <joeljreym@...> wrote: >BUt could you explain to me what IMO means? Thanks. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hold on a sec...lets talk about some of these 25 methods that reduce the symptoms...I have never heard of them....and since it is a subject near and dear to my heart....considering if I don't do something it (HIV) will eventually kill me...I would love for you to list them....I, at this time, am the perfect test subject....I am not on meds...and will be starting the complete Beck Protocol after I have the funds to get started..I WILL be purchasing the Auto Godzilla from V, and then the rest probably from Sota...unless there are less expensive, more potent options available for the ozonator and the Magnetic Pulser...the Silver Colloid I can make myself... So, let er' rip...if no one else cares, at least you can find solace that your suggestions will have saved my life. I will be more than happy to provide complete evaluations of all the therapies you list as I use them...as well as the Beck Protocol...let's just say I have a background in clinical research, but none of the allopathic bias that comes along with it! > > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > > > > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about > > alternative > > > > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject > > a few > > > > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > > > > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the > > immune > > > > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > > > > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > > > > methods > > > > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > > > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for > > a > > > > month > > > > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > > > > blood UV > > > > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > > > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all > > > > been > > > > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > > Godzilla > > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > > members. > > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our > > freedom of > > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > > ordinary lay > > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > > kind. The > > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most > > group > > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > > request > > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > > compassion. There > > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > > medical advice. > > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme > > of the > > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > > microbes, as > > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > > repeatability, or > > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > > understanding, > > > good luck researching. --bG > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hold on a sec...lets talk about some of these 25 methods that reduce the symptoms...I have never heard of them....and since it is a subject near and dear to my heart....considering if I don't do something it (HIV) will eventually kill me...I would love for you to list them....I, at this time, am the perfect test subject....I am not on meds...and will be starting the complete Beck Protocol after I have the funds to get started..I WILL be purchasing the Auto Godzilla from V, and then the rest probably from Sota...unless there are less expensive, more potent options available for the ozonator and the Magnetic Pulser...the Silver Colloid I can make myself... So, let er' rip...if no one else cares, at least you can find solace that your suggestions will have saved my life. I will be more than happy to provide complete evaluations of all the therapies you list as I use them...as well as the Beck Protocol...let's just say I have a background in clinical research, but none of the allopathic bias that comes along with it! > > > > > Good for you, taking on the task of reporting/journalling. > > > > > > > > > > But, are you sure anyone actually wants to know about > > alternative > > > > > therapies for HIV/AIDS? I got discouraged about this subject > > a few > > > > > years ago when I tried to inform various groups of the methods > > > > > available to actually cure the disease, and help restart the > > immune > > > > > system. They didn't want to know! > > > > > > > > > > There are probably hundreds (well, at least 25) of different > > > > methods > > > > > to either stop HIV/AIDS or drastically reduce their symptoms. > > > > > Everything from a coconut breakfast (1/2 coconut every day for > > a > > > > month > > > > > or more) while eating no vegetable oil (meat fat is okay), to > > > > blood UV > > > > > irradiation and intravenous H2O2 therapy (Dr. > > > > > s), to various electric/electronic devices. They've all > > > > been > > > > > shown to work Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > > > People with Lyme disease are much more open to getting well, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of > > Godzilla > > > devices and other things useful in research. These are free to > > members. > > > Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our > > freedom of > > > speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are > > ordinary lay > > > people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any > > kind. The > > > information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most > > group > > > members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not > > request > > > medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human > > compassion. There > > > are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed > > medical advice. > > > The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme > > of the > > > group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate > > microbes, as > > > it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are > > > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about > > repeatability, or > > > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your > > understanding, > > > good luck researching. --bG > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Hi, welcome. for practical reasons, we're researching effects of DC current in tiny amounts, for various microbes, HIV and related ones among them. You will find reading our files most helpful. The idea is to extend the solid research we have from Einstein Medical College, where the principle was discovered and documented with double blinded tests. HIV is not a very robust microbe for DC current, many other germs are more aggressive and we have easily beaten them, such as common cold rhino virus. You would be wise to read this fully the whole site, and use the Apprentice Godzilla on both bloodstream via the wrists and locally on the gut area for HIV in the gut, where 90 percent or more of it is likely to live. See what others have done on this. Your count will likely worsen in the first week or two, then may improve thereafter using this. Yes, CS is probably the next best thing to add to DC current. Go slow with DC, use low levels at first so you don't chafe your skin!!! You need to have good application points available, so don't irritate skin too much. I'd bet that you are quite capable of evolving a 100 percent treatment that would stop this disease cold, and could be done by anyone. You are free to use this group toward that end. We have bits and pieces, all good, but it needs pulling together with test results, and good documentation, as you show an aptitude for, so ... go for it! This is going to be great if you can continue it. I know it's hard to believe but please read the evidence in the Einstein Study as best you can and all the data here. This is not a half-baked solution, it can be made to work quite easily if you persist and perfect it. I wondered if there would be something lost from the in vitro (test tube) study and humans, but not so. If anyting it works better in humans than in the lab, since there was no immune system tested in the lab, only some immunity cells were tested. The system adds more clout on the side of the body against the germ. I also wondered if we could provide enough electrons to deal with all the virus..my calculations showed that we are providing millions of electrons for each virus unit --get this--per second, with Apprentice Godzilla. It has the capacity to deal with them and then some. Your nerves will not feel it, as it isn't aimed there. You will figure it out as you use the device wherever you get it from, it really is just a 6 volt power source. The bigger ones tame down 36 volts when you adjust it. But they offer more conveniences and more controls, are nicer, more convincing, etc. But you can do the same things with Apprentice Godzilla if you have more time than money to work with it. The electricity does the job, and no matter the source, so long as it is plain old DC current. The need to reverse the current depends on where you place electrodes, on the wrists the fingers will get stiff and sore if you don't reverse the current every 5 minutes or so. After 10 minutes soreness may start, or not, individual thing. But all this is minor where a life is concerned, so I have to remind everyone that when someone is just plain gone, they can be brought back, and at that critical moment, you don't fool around with devices, you get a 6 volt lantern battery and attack to each wrist and another on the gut and you kill the HIV .. fast. Most people on this list are not really in that condition, so the debates get going on improvements one can make once the danger is over. best of luck, bG > > > Hold on a sec...lets talk about some of these 25 methods that reduce > the symptoms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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