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[Guest guest]

,

I am not sure about the NADH, since I have not taken it.

But I do know that I have taken lots of B12's either through shot or

sublingual, and never had any side effect such as near fainting. ( I have

fainted from low blood pressure before several times, both before and after

implants. )

Maybe you should take the supplements separately. Since they are both

nutritional supplements, I wouldn't think that you would have too many

alarming side effects, but you'll just have to keep tabs on it.

Hope you get over your bug, and congestion quickly! Drink some ginger

tea--that may help out. (Keep ginger root in the freezer--then just grate

about a tsp into a cup, add boiling water and let steep for 10 minutes. )

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <carrie_martinez64@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:12 AM

Subject: Question

> Hi all, I wanted to ask if anyone has experienced what happened to me

> this am. first of all I caught some kind of bug, it started with a

> sore throat and worked its way into my chest so that I have some

> congestion that doesn't want to come out. It isn't really bad, I do

> not feel that sick, but I have this cough. Anyhow I tried the nadh

> and also a sublingual B12 tablet this morning and then decided to go

> to the gym and just do 30 minutes of cardio on one of the elliptycal

> training machines. When I went to get off the machine I almost

> fainted. I am trying to figure out if it was the B12 Nadh combination

> or if it is just that I shouldn't be working out with a chest cold. I

> have always found a light cardio workout to be helpful in loosening

> congestion before and never felt like this before so I am thinking it

> may be the NADH, or the B12, I have never taken either one before so

> I do not know what they do. I know that I felt really hyper after

> taking them so I am thinking it may have made my blood pressure a bit

> high, anyhow I am feeling ok now so I guess the only way to know

> would be to work out first and take the stuff later. It was

> interesting though because I didn't feel brain fog at all, just

> lightheaded, different, can't describe it I guess. Oh well. Anyone

> with experience taking B12 sublingual can you tell me what the

> effects are? I am really full of energy lately, not sure if it is

> simply cause I am not working right now or what but other than this

> cold/cough thing I am feeling great.

>

> Well I will keep you guys posted on my experiences with the enada

> (nadh) I can tell you it is pretty expensive and it says on the

> package that it is used for energy and to take it before working out

> or studying and traveling and that type of thing so I am not so sure

> it is meant to take everyday. I need to research it more.

>

> Ok then, thanks everyone for any ideas here.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

The NADH is meant to be taken everyday. As a matter of

fact, the doc involved in the study said " more is

better " . However, the recommended dose is 5-10mg/day.

It does say in the study that some people need more,

some need less. But since it stimulates dopamine and

adrenaline it makes sense that you might be " hyper " and

have more energy. NADH has been shown to increase the

production of adrenaline and dopamine by 600%.

As for your near syncopal episode, I highly doubt it's

from your chest congestion, and you're right--working

out can and should make you feel better and not worse.

My guess is that it might be related to the NADH. B12

has a very rare incidence of causing heart problems. It

also can interact with several meds, and therefore could

be interacting with the NADH. You should probably check

with your doc about potential interactions, and/or

decrease the dose of NADH to 2.5mg/day

e

> ,

> I am not sure about the NADH, since I have not taken it.

>

> But I do know that I have taken lots of B12's either through shot or

> sublingual, and never had any side effect such as near fainting. ( I have

> fainted from low blood pressure before several times, both before and after

> implants. )

>

> Maybe you should take the supplements separately. Since they are both

> nutritional supplements, I wouldn't think that you would have too many

> alarming side effects, but you'll just have to keep tabs on it.

>

> Hope you get over your bug, and congestion quickly! Drink some ginger

> tea--that may help out. (Keep ginger root in the freezer--then just grate

> about a tsp into a cup, add boiling water and let steep for 10 minutes. )

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <carrie_martinez64@...>

> < >

> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:12 AM

> Subject: Question

>

>

> > Hi all, I wanted to ask if anyone has experienced what happened to me

> > this am. first of all I caught some kind of bug, it started with a

> > sore throat and worked its way into my chest so that I have some

> > congestion that doesn't want to come out. It isn't really bad, I do

> > not feel that sick, but I have this cough. Anyhow I tried the nadh

> > and also a sublingual B12 tablet this morning and then decided to go

> > to the gym and just do 30 minutes of cardio on one of the elliptycal

> > training machines. When I went to get off the machine I almost

> > fainted. I am trying to figure out if it was the B12 Nadh combination

> > or if it is just that I shouldn't be working out with a chest cold. I

> > have always found a light cardio workout to be helpful in loosening

> > congestion before and never felt like this before so I am thinking it

> > may be the NADH, or the B12, I have never taken either one before so

> > I do not know what they do. I know that I felt really hyper after

> > taking them so I am thinking it may have made my blood pressure a bit

> > high, anyhow I am feeling ok now so I guess the only way to know

> > would be to work out first and take the stuff later. It was

> > interesting though because I didn't feel brain fog at all, just

> > lightheaded, different, can't describe it I guess. Oh well. Anyone

> > with experience taking B12 sublingual can you tell me what the

> > effects are? I am really full of energy lately, not sure if it is

> > simply cause I am not working right now or what but other than this

> > cold/cough thing I am feeling great.

> >

> > Well I will keep you guys posted on my experiences with the enada

> > (nadh) I can tell you it is pretty expensive and it says on the

> > package that it is used for energy and to take it before working out

> > or studying and traveling and that type of thing so I am not so sure

> > it is meant to take everyday. I need to research it more.

> >

> > Ok then, thanks everyone for any ideas here.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Your pituitary or thyroid hormones may be out of whack. Normally, a good endocrinologist can pin-point the problem rather quickly with blood tests --- and perhaps an MRI of the pituitary gland --- depending on what your blood tests show.

Please stay in touch on this, as I will also send your message to my daughter, Arden, who is "one of us", and a Womens' Healthcare Nurse Practitioner. She's in the process of moving her office and overload of patients, so she may not get back to me promptly!

MM / NSIF

----- Original Message -----

From: jay igert

Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:58 AM

Subject: question

Okay so I was spotting for 6 weeks, the doctor put me on some stuff to spotting. I took the meds for 10 days the day after I got off I started spotting again. The doctor put me on the meds again for 10 days and today I started spotting again. I have not had a normal period for 3 months. I had my hormones checked by blood and my Obgyn said my hormones look good. Once I stop spotting my energy level is good. The day I start spotting I am so tired and everyday I spot I am tired. I really think my hormones are wacked out and there is no proof of it. I have some cream I got its called Progestra-cream its supposted to balance your hormones. Is there anything else natural that I can take.

Caren

[Guest guest]

Martha was your response for me or for Caren?

In @y..., " MARTHA " <MAM-NSIF@P...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> Your pituitary or thyroid hormones may be out of whack. Normally,

a good endocrinologist can pin-point the problem rather quickly with

blood tests --- and perhaps an MRI of the pituitary gland ---

depending on what your blood tests show.

>

> Please stay in touch on this, as I will also send your message to

my daughter, Arden, who is " one of us " , and a Womens' Healthcare

Nurse Practitioner. She's in the process of moving her office and

overload of patients, so she may not get back to me promptly!

>

> MM / NSIF

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: jay igert

> @y...

> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:58 AM

> Subject: question

>

>

> Okay so I was spotting for 6 weeks, the doctor put me on some

stuff to spotting. I took the meds for 10 days the day after I got

off I started spotting again. The doctor put me on the meds again for

10 days and today I started spotting again. I have not had a normal

period for 3 months. I had my hormones checked by blood and my Obgyn

said my hormones look good. Once I stop spotting my energy level is

good. The day I start spotting I am so tired and everyday I spot I am

tired. I really think my hormones are wacked out and there is no

proof of it. I have some cream I got its called Progestra-cream its

supposted to balance your hormones. Is there anything else natural

that I can take.

>

> Caren

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone heard or tryed Microhydrin? I hear it is supposed to be good to fight viral infections.

Caren

[Guest guest]

I don't have my reference books handy, but if I remember

correctly, alkaline phospate is part of a liver function

test, although I think it goes by a different name now.

If this is indeed a LFT, than I'm not quite sure if you

need to do anything to bring it up. You would be more

concerned if the result was high, which would indicate

liver disease.

In regards to lymphocytes, they are part of your white

blood cells (WBC's). There are several different cells

that make up your WBC's, including lymphocytes,

phagocytes, monocytes, neutrophils, eosonophils, and

others. Depending on which ones are elevated tells you

a little bit more about the infection your body may be

battling. As for the lymphocytes being low, I'd need to

know how low to provide you with any info. Is your WBC

count low also, or just the lymphocytes? If your WBC

count is low, then you need to keep an eye on it as the

lower it gets (typically less than 4000) than the more

susceptible you are to infection as your body doesn't

have the cells to effectively fight off infection. If

your WBC count is normal, and just your lymphocytes are

low, than there usually isn't any treatment to bring it

up. The one that would be most concerning if it was low

would be the neutrophil count. If this is low, this is

not a good thing, either, and if it's chronically low,

then treatment with neupogen is usually recommended.

Low lymphoyctes is generally not too concerning and no

treatment is usually recommended. But check your WBC

count and the % of neutrophils.

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.

e

> I am not exactly sure about these but I am curious what other blood

> work you have had and if it has all been normal cept these. Let us

> know and maybe e might know more about these labs.

>

> How are you doing these days and did you ever try the NADH?

>

>

>

> In @y..., " jay igert " <JCKCI@l...> wrote:

> > Every blood test I have had done I have showed extremely low for

> alkaline phosphate and the lymphocytes. I have looked on the internet

> and cant find any sites on what to take to bump them up a little bit.

> If someone has some advise that would be nice.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Caren

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In "The Rebellious Body", nurse Janice Strube Wittenburg offers these suggestions:

"The adrenals require zinc, magnesium, and Vitamins C and B6 for hormone production. Pantothenic acid, also known as the antistress vitamin and particularly important in strengthening the adrenals, is found in whole grains, cauliflower, broccoli, salmon, sweet potatoes, legumes and tomatoes. Adrenal cortical extract (ACE), an extract of beef adrenal glands, is used in cases of low adrenal function. There are reports of people who feel instantly revitalized on taking ACE. For Elaine, who has EI and CFS, Apex Energetic's homeopathic adrenal remedy has been particularly helpful.

Siberian and Panax ginseng are adaptogens that protect against mental and physical fatigue. In Oriental cultures, ginseng is believed to provide resistance to stress, normalizing body function, and in the process enabling the adrenals to release hormones that are needed by the body.

Additional support for the adrenals may come from learning how to manage stress.

Helpful interventions include exercise and relaxation techniques such as biofeedback, deep breathing, and meditation. Progressive relaxation is a practice that involves progressively contracting all muscle groups of the body, alternately tensing and relaxing them. Start at your head, contracting the facial muscles and then relaxing them; next contract your arm muscles and then relax them, working your way down to your feet. This procedure can also reduce anxiety and insomnia."

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: jay igert

Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:11 PM

Subject: question

Besides DHEA what is good for your adrenal glands? My adrenal glands are low and I was just wondering if there is something else to take.

Caren

[Guest guest]

Shirl, how high are your lymphocytes???? I have high white count and high lymphocyte count since silicone rupture and saline replacement--------have since had them removed. Phyllis:-)

[Guest guest]

Mine are low, real low I think cause of infection.

Shirl