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Dear Jill, welcome. Sorry you have to be here, but glad you found the site.

There is a wealth of information here and at other sites(i.e.

Hepatitis-Central) I understand how you are feeling. I remember it well.

That was 6 yrs ago for me. Having completed 13 months of standard combo

therapy(interferon & ribavirin), I am now undectable, which means the virus

is at a lower level than the tests can see. This is good news. I am 9

months post treatment. Try and keep peaceful. Although this is incredibly

frightening, we ARE living with Hepatitis C. Yes, this is a dangerous

disease, no doubt about it, but we are survivors and you can be one too.

Learn all you can. Ask Ask Ask....as much as you want, as many times as you

need. Get copies of all your lab tests, proceedures etc. Keep a folder of

your medical stuff and bring it with you to your appointments. Don't let a

doc give you a 'bum's rush' appointment or 'pooh-pooh' your symptoms. You

feel what you feel. And one more thing...you are not crazy or a

hypochondriac. Hep C has symptoms. We are all here to help in any way we

can. God bless you as you begin this path. There are lots of us to walk it

with you. Love, mzgee

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Welcome Oresco2001,

Yes I noticed when you first signed up.

Think of spatulation as a blending of a solid with a cream or a

liquid or a solid with a solid. You might mix powdered sugar with

butter at home. Or you might mix baking soda with flour. This is a

blending of sorts. The spatualation is the act of 'blending' with a

spatula on top of a marble slab or surface.

This techniques is used by compoounding pharmacists.

Hope this helps you out.

Jeanetta

> Hi,

> My name is Oore-ofe and I joined this group a couple of days ago. I

> appreciate everyone here and I am looking forward to joining you

all

> in the interesting world of pharmacy techs. Please bear with me if

I

> dont post stuff often.

> One first question though:

> I read one of the previous messages saying spatulation was the act

of

> folding or cutting a solid into another using a spatula. I dont

> understand it.

> I try to get a picture (in my mind) of each concept so I remember

> easier but I cant seem to get the picture here.

>

> Oore

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It does.

Oore

> > Hi,

> > My name is Oore-ofe and I joined this group a couple of days ago.

I

> > appreciate everyone here and I am looking forward to joining you

> all

> > in the interesting world of pharmacy techs. Please bear with me

if

> I

> > dont post stuff often.

> > One first question though:

> > I read one of the previous messages saying spatulation was the

act

> of

> > folding or cutting a solid into another using a spatula. I dont

> > understand it.

> > I try to get a picture (in my mind) of each concept so I remember

> > easier but I cant seem to get the picture here.

> >

> > Oore

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Hi Art,

Thank you for the great introduction although I'm very

sorry to hear about the loss of hearing and I'm sure

it was a shock to your system to wake up that way

after the accident. I woke up from a sleep deaf so I

know how that sudden deafness feels.

I believe you are most likely a candidate for a CI in

the ear that they put the prosthesis in. A good CI

Center would know better and they would test you to

find out whether or not you would be a good candidate.

It is certainly worth it to try because these

cochlear implants are miracles and give back quality

of life that has been lost to deafness.

Let us know how we can help you with this endeavor.

Welcome to CI Hear.

Alice

N24 (Straight Array) 11/19/99

N24C Bilateral Implant Surgery 03/19/99

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Hi Art,

Welcome to the forum, and best wishes on the possibility

of getting a CI. We are all here to answer any questions

you may have and offer encouragement if you need it, so

let us know how we can help!

Benton

N24 - 11/98

3G - 8/02

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Hi Art

Welcome to the forum..i certainly am not a DR. but I want to share my

experiences with you.I have Otosclerosis which effected my cochlea..made it

cheesy and porous which caused the current to escape through the holes.Because

the facial nerve is so close to the cochlea it caused facial stimulation and 12

electrodes had to be turned off.Since your cochlea is fissured,,has cracks or

crevises..i would doubt that an implant could be implanted in your L

ear....However.. i had protheses in both ears that took the place of the

ossicles..the 3 tiny bones...Now if your cochlea of your R.ear is not damaged

then there is a very good chance that a CI would work in that ear.I certainly

would check with a good ENT DR.

Love Dora

Introduction

Hello Everyone!

This is my first letter to the group. Alice quickly and

kindly set me up after I expressed interest in the forum last night. Thank you,

Alice, and thank you for letting me know about this

site.

Here is my introduction. I shall make it short this time as I just lost

my first email attempt by some glitch in the computer.

I am a 51 year old man who suffered a severe head injury through accident 6

years ago. Both my ears were broken and I was left totally

deaf. Until that moment, I had had perfect hearing in both ears since

birth. The neck trauma probably gave me the severe tinnitus which I now

have and have had since the moment I woke in the hospital six years ago.

I am hard of hearing through the right ear only. I have a 100% loss of

hearing in the left due to a fissured cochlea. A prosthesis was inserted over

the mastoid bone of the right ear to replace the tympanic

membrane and ossicles which were hopelessly shattered. With the prosthesis I am

still almost deaf, but in combination with a very strong

BTE hearing aid, I have some speech recognition. I am thankful and very

grateful for being able to hear speech and some environmental sounds.

At the California SHHH conference in February, I spoke with Rosemary

Armstrong and Wieker of Cochlear. They gave me renewed hope about

hearing again in my left ear through a CI which may be possible.

I am now looking into getting a CI and am excited about the prospects.

Well, I'm going to end now and send this as I don't want to lose this

message again somewhere in Cyberspace! Thank you for you patience and I

look forward to being an active member of Groups. Good day to you all.

Art Myers

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Hello Art,

Welcome to CiHear.. This is a great place to come to if you are

interested in getting a ci.

I really hope all goes your way when getting evaluated and that you

willl indeed be a ci candidate who will be able to enjoy a world of

sound once again.

Regards,

Silly in MI

N24C and 3G activated

Hereditary bilateral progressive nerve deafness

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> Hello Everyone!

>

> This is my first letter to the group. Alice quickly

and

> kindly set me up after I expressed interest in the forum last

night. Thank you, Alice, and thank you for letting me know

about this

Good day to you all.

>

> Art Myers

>

>

>

>

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Art,

I want to wish you the best in your CI journey. It sounds like you've been

through a terrible accident, then the tragedy of losing your hearing.

The consolation is that your prosthesis with a good BTE hearing aid gives you

some hearing and the gals from Cochlear give you hope for a CI in your other

ear. This is going to be your renaissance and it's a saving grace that these

technologies are available to help you reinvent yourself. You may even be

better than before in some ways!

Keep us posted on your journey. May your CI evaluation go quickly. I know

all of us are here for support.

N24C CI coming in 25-26 days!!

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Hi and welcome too the group. I had a bulging disc at L5 -S1

and it was bulging on my sciatic nerve so they operated on it. But I

still am having pain from my back so they are sending me for another

set of MRI's too find out why.My ankle started hurting again the day

after I came home and the dr's kept saying " oh it will go away its

just the nerve waking up " well its now halfway up my leg too my knee

and almost my entire foot that hurts so something is not right.

Thank heavens I finally found a dr who would listen too me before my

entire leg goes numb. I hope your bulging disc are not causing you

as much pain as mine have. But if they are hurting you alot go see

another dr and keep trying. I went too 4 before I found one that

would operate on my neck and back.And it took me 2 1/2 yrs too get

it done so don't give up if your in pain, someone will listen. I

don't know why dr's think bulging disc's aren't painful or worth

operating on, I even asked my regular dr if I should just go make it

rupture so they would treat me lol, he said no to behave lol. Best

of luck. S

-- In neck pain , " hellkat1019 "

<harleyd@s...> wrote:

> Hi, I'm

> I am 31yrs old. I was diagnosed with scoliosis when I was 9, had

> first episode with a pinched nerve when I was 12yrs old. I was

> recently put through several xrays, MRI's, and a EMG test. They

> found that I have 1 bulging disk in my cervical spine, the two

disk

> on either side are on the verge of bulging. I also have a bulging

> disk in my lumbar spine at the S1 disk. I was told that there is

> nothing that can be done about my disk at this point. That's my

short

> story.

>

> , Fl

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Hi and welcome too the group. I had a bulging disc at L5 -S1

and it was bulging on my sciatic nerve so they operated on it. But I

still am having pain from my back so they are sending me for another

set of MRI's too find out why.My ankle started hurting again the day

after I came home and the dr's kept saying " oh it will go away its

just the nerve waking up " well its now halfway up my leg too my knee

and almost my entire foot that hurts so something is not right.

Thank heavens I finally found a dr who would listen too me before my

entire leg goes numb. I hope your bulging disc are not causing you

as much pain as mine have. But if they are hurting you alot go see

another dr and keep trying. I went too 4 before I found one that

would operate on my neck and back.And it took me 2 1/2 yrs too get

it done so don't give up if your in pain, someone will listen. I

don't know why dr's think bulging disc's aren't painful or worth

operating on, I even asked my regular dr if I should just go make it

rupture so they would treat me lol, he said no to behave lol. Best

of luck. S

-- In neck pain , " hellkat1019 "

<harleyd@s...> wrote:

> Hi, I'm

> I am 31yrs old. I was diagnosed with scoliosis when I was 9, had

> first episode with a pinched nerve when I was 12yrs old. I was

> recently put through several xrays, MRI's, and a EMG test. They

> found that I have 1 bulging disk in my cervical spine, the two

disk

> on either side are on the verge of bulging. I also have a bulging

> disk in my lumbar spine at the S1 disk. I was told that there is

> nothing that can be done about my disk at this point. That's my

short

> story.

>

> , Fl

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Good going ,

Green leafy vegetables and Canned Salmon form Alaska are very effective

foods.

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>Hi Fellow Coconutters - I am so relieved to find this open forum.

>Another list I belonged to was just so restrictive. Ugh. Anyhow, here

>I am and glad to be here. I have been taking coconut oil for about a

>month or two. Very slowly at first, not really knowing how to use it

>or what to expect.

Welcome, Laureen. I live in Oakland. Where are you?

>I am wondering if anyone else has had a herxheimer reaction from the

>VCO - this could have been just a coincidence. I plan to go back on

>the VCO, very slowly and hopefully will not have a repeat of a very

>miserable week.

I think the thing to do is not drop it but maybe scale back just a

bit. I have chronic candidiasis and have experienced die-off when I

got very aggressive about treating it. But to relapse in diet just

wastes the trouble that you've gone to.

>2. Since I have had CFS, with a lowered energy level, I have gained

>some weight, so I was looking forward to the weight loss properties

>of VCO. Actually, I am terrified of eating in the manner of Eat Fat

>Look Thin. Surely there must be some happy medium!

I've not lost weight, in fact I've gained it, since I started eating

coconut oil, but that's not the only change so I'm not assuming

that's to blame. I had a number of relapses in eating sugar and I

stopped exercising. I'm trying to work my way back but at the same

time trying not to go overboard on coconut oil. I love the taste so

can easily overdo it.

>Thank you for the chance to sound off a bit. I haven't read your

>archives, yet, so if I am asking repetitious questions, begging your

>indulgence in advance.

No problem. This is an indulgent group! Cheers,

Jeanmarie

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> I am wondering if anyone else has had a herxheimer reaction from

the

> VCO - this could have been just a coincidence. I plan to go back on

> the VCO, very slowly and hopefully will not have a repeat of a very

> miserable week.

>

I take vitamin C in large doses so I never noticed any

herxheimer reaction to coconut oil.

Alobar

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Hi again - I'll bet you are the same Jeanmarie that answered my

question about a flax plus VCO question on the other message board.

Out of 5 posts, that was the only one that got on the board. The same

questions that I posted on this board were rejected as " asking for

medical advice " . So thank you for your response.

Anyhow, thanks for your suggestions: Yesterday I started back on the

VCO at 1 1/2 Tblsp twice a day. I'm just going to leave it there for a

few days or a week and then increase to 3 times a day. I am a little

spooked about another crash (what the " herx " did to me), but I am also

determined to get the health benefit of the VCO, and if that means

treading lightly then that's what I'll do. Another response suggested

taking additional Vitamin C, so I'll add that to my regimen.

I am so jazzed that I got answers to my questions that I just feel

like babbling on. Yesterday I read the first 200 archived messages and

got a good education. More today since my husband is out of the house

for the day and I can sit on line to my heart's content.

Thanks again and good health to us all, Laureen

PS - I'm in American Canyon about 30 minutes north of Oakland on I80

> >Hi Fellow Coconutters - I am so relieved to find this open forum.

> >Another list I belonged to was just so restrictive. Ugh. Anyhow, here

> >I am and glad to be here. I have been taking coconut oil for about a

> >month or two. Very slowly at first, not really knowing how to use it

> >or what to expect.

>

> Welcome, Laureen. I live in Oakland. Where are you?

>

> >I am wondering if anyone else has had a herxheimer reaction from the

> >VCO - this could have been just a coincidence. I plan to go back on

> >the VCO, very slowly and hopefully will not have a repeat of a very

> >miserable week.

>

> I think the thing to do is not drop it but maybe scale back just a

> bit. I have chronic candidiasis and have experienced die-off when I

> got very aggressive about treating it. But to relapse in diet just

> wastes the trouble that you've gone to.

>

> >2. Since I have had CFS, with a lowered energy level, I have gained

> >some weight, so I was looking forward to the weight loss properties

> >of VCO. Actually, I am terrified of eating in the manner of Eat Fat

> >Look Thin. Surely there must be some happy medium!

>

> I've not lost weight, in fact I've gained it, since I started eating

> coconut oil, but that's not the only change so I'm not assuming

> that's to blame. I had a number of relapses in eating sugar and I

> stopped exercising. I'm trying to work my way back but at the same

> time trying not to go overboard on coconut oil. I love the taste so

> can easily overdo it.

>

> >Thank you for the chance to sound off a bit. I haven't read your

> >archives, yet, so if I am asking repetitious questions, begging your

> >indulgence in advance.

>

> No problem. This is an indulgent group! Cheers,

> Jeanmarie

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>Hi again - I'll bet you are the same Jeanmarie that answered my

>question about a flax plus VCO question on the other message board.

>Out of 5 posts, that was the only one that got on the board. The same

>questions that I posted on this board were rejected as " asking for

>medical advice " . So thank you for your response.

I think there's another Jeanmarie out there in the other group, oddly

enough, as this is a rare name. I am the one who said mixing ground

flaxseeds with coconut oil is yummy! Anyway I'm glad you got your

question posted and answered.

>Anyhow, thanks for your suggestions: Yesterday I started back on the

>VCO at 1 1/2 Tblsp twice a day. I'm just going to leave it there for a

>few days or a week and then increase to 3 times a day. I am a little

>spooked about another crash (what the " herx " did to me), but I am also

>determined to get the health benefit of the VCO, and if that means

>treading lightly then that's what I'll do. Another response suggested

>taking additional Vitamin C, so I'll add that to my regimen.

I'm currently getting off sugar and trying to really get my

candidiasis under control. I don't manage to take flaxseeds every day

but when I do it's usually with VCO.

>I am so jazzed that I got answers to my questions that I just feel

>like babbling on. Yesterday I read the first 200 archived messages and

>got a good education. More today since my husband is out of the house

>for the day and I can sit on line to my heart's content.

Wow! I haven't done that yet.

>Thanks again and good health to us all, Laureen

>

>PS - I'm in American Canyon about 30 minutes north of Oakland on I80

I don't know that area, I'm still new here. Cheers,

Jeanmarie

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Jeanmarie - Yes - I asked a question about the proportions. I have

since made the mixture. My husband loves it, I don't, so he eats it

all which I'm perfectly fine with. I'll find other ways to get the

flax seed down. Any other suggestions?

I made a mistake in saying that I am taking 1 1/2 T twice a day. It's

really only 1/2 T. I am trying to follow some good guide rules about

eating, but am not doing so well. I haven't cut out wheat, but I am

trying to cut down. Same with sugar. I am addicted to both. And I'm

Italian. Was raised on pasta. I suspect I am insulin resistant. There

are just too many things to keep in mind when eating and I am trying

to start with replacing all oils with coconut oil. So I have been

cooking with it. The slight coconut flavor doesn't bother either of

us. Some things, I just naturally go for the olive oil.

I'm really after the lauric acid (correct?) for its anti microbial

benefits. I learned in the archives about lauricidin. Sometime in the

near future, I will try that. (Any testimonials from CFSers??)

Additionally, I hope this pot belly will go away.

Thanks for your response. Laureen

> >Hi again - I'll bet you are the same Jeanmarie that answered my

>>question about a flax plus VCO question on the other message board.

>>Out of 5 posts, that was the only one that got on the board. The same

>>questions that I posted on this board were rejected as " asking for

>>medical advice " . So thank you for your response.

>

>I think there's another Jeanmarie out there in the other group, oddly

>enough, as this is a rare name. I am the one who said mixing ground

>flaxseeds with coconut oil is yummy! Anyway I'm glad you got your

>question posted and answered.

>

>>Anyhow, thanks for your suggestions: Yesterday I started back on the

>>VCO at 1 1/2 Tblsp twice a day. I'm just going to leave it there for a

>>few days or a week and then increase to 3 times a day. I am a little

>>spooked about another crash (what the " herx " did to me), but I am also

>>determined to get the health benefit of the VCO, and if that means

>>treading lightly then that's what I'll do. Another response suggested

>>taking additional Vitamin C, so I'll add that to my regimen.

>

>I'm currently getting off sugar and trying to really get my

>candidiasis under control. I don't manage to take flaxseeds every day

>but when I do it's usually with VCO.

>

>>I am so jazzed that I got answers to my questions that I just feel

>>like babbling on. Yesterday I read the first 200 archived messages and

>>got a good education. More today since my husband is out of the house

>>for the day and I can sit on line to my heart's content.

>

>Wow! I haven't done that yet.

>

>>Thanks again and good health to us all, Laureen

>>

>>PS - I'm in American Canyon about 30 minutes north of Oakland on I80

>

>I don't know that area, I'm still new here. Cheers,

>Jeanmarie

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>Jeanmarie - Yes - I asked a question about the proportions. I have

>since made the mixture. My husband loves it, I don't, so he eats it

>all which I'm perfectly fine with. I'll find other ways to get the

>flax seed down. Any other suggestions?

I like it sprinkled on salads or almost any dish. I just don't cook

with it or put it in anything very hot.

>I made a mistake in saying that I am taking 1 1/2 T twice a day. It's

>really only 1/2 T. I am trying to follow some good guide rules about

>eating, but am not doing so well. I haven't cut out wheat, but I am

>trying to cut down. Same with sugar. I am addicted to both. And I'm

>Italian. Was raised on pasta. I suspect I am insulin resistant. There

>are just too many things to keep in mind when eating and I am trying

>to start with replacing all oils with coconut oil. So I have been

>cooking with it. The slight coconut flavor doesn't bother either of

>us. Some things, I just naturally go for the olive oil.

It's hard to make lasting changes in dietary habits, so be gentle

with yourself. I'm working on cutting out sugar entirely and at least

way down on wheat; I don't eat much of it normally but I had a bunch

of bread dipped in olive oil at a dinner on Friday.

I don't think anyone recommends that you cut out *all* other oils.

Coconut oil is excellent for cooking, but olive oil is great on

salads, best when used without cooking it. You still need EFAs

(essential fatty acids) from fish oil and/or flax seed oil, plus some

olive oil and even butter.

>I'm really after the lauric acid (correct?) for its anti microbial

>benefits. I learned in the archives about lauricidin. Sometime in the

>near future, I will try that. (Any testimonials from CFSers??)

>Additionally, I hope this pot belly will go away.

In my experience nothing is powerful enough to vanquish yeast

overgrowth unless you cut out sugar and alcohol and other things that

feed the yeast. (Actually I'm not sure whether this was a problem for

you.) I haven't seen lauricidin for sale but I'd like to try it. On

the pot belly, me, too!

Cheers,

Jeanmarie

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Hey Kassie,

Welcome to the group, good to hear u enjoy the emails. Thanks also for

those kind words and welcome to the group.

Jonathon

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> Greetings,

>

> Hey there everyone my name is Kassie and I am a AP . I am from Texas

> I am a 23 year old female. I enjoy reading the emails and look

> forward to chatting with some of yall. This group is so friendly and

> full of awesome people.. Has anyone told yall .. all of LP's have

> courage its inspiring ! thanks -kas

>

>

> ===

>

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Thanks for your introduction, Ed. Very interesting!

>That's when all of a sudden I developed a strange calcium " allergy " .

>Each time I would eat something with calcium, whether it was almonds

>or >brocolli or cheese, I would become extremely sleepy and crash on a

>couch and >would lie there for about two hours before I recovered.

For me, eating foods high in calcium *helps* my tolerance of EMF. However,

I do recall that many years ago (before I had my metal dental work all

removed), I tried a little " coral calcium " mixed in water. I got terrible

brain fog, fatigue, and loss of short term memory.

However, in retrospect, I think I would consider this a case of " too much

of a good thing " . If one is really toxic, and they take something that

mobilizes those toxins into the bloodstream, you will definitely feel

fatigued. I think the solution is to first try doing that same thing in

lesser amounts to see if there is a level which makes you feel better, not

worse.

The more I read about others EMF symptoms and observe my own, the more I

think that the EMF is mobilizing toxins from our cells into our

bloodstream, which is then making us feel bad. Eating foods or supplements

which mobilize these toxins will make us feel even worse, while eating

foods and supplements which bind to these toxins and take them out of our

system safely will make us feel even better. For me, the one supplement

which seems to do this best is something called " Active H- " powder from

www.NewVision.com. I've been taking this (or it's predecessor

" Microhydrin " ) for the past 3 years. This is a very expensive supplement

($100), but I take it in such small amounts (1/4 scoop taken once a day)

that one bottle lasts 400 days! A cheaper alternative is barley grass

powder (I use Green Magma), and in general sea vegetables are helpful.

Also, I've been reading that foods which high in " good fats " are also

helpful in binding with toxins, and for this I realized that every day I

eat an organic avocado and some olive oil.

And as a longterm solution, a long, slow detoxification program can

gradually get rid of the toxins in your cells so that there isn't much for

the EMF to mobilize, which in the end will make one highly tolerant of EMF.

But again, this is just my *theory*. I could be completely wrong, but this

theory does seem to match my observations of myself and others.

Marc

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Hi Marc,

I am so amazed with the discoveries you have found to help your ES. Your

theory on how toxins are released by EMF makes so much sense. Especially if

your solutions are based on this theory and are working. It seems that a

very big fact about ES sensitivity is that that there is not just a simple

cure or a box one can turn on to completely rid the problem. It seems to

take a very balanced approach. That is what I am realizing after installing

my Quantum Home, and still having some EMF side effects. As you mentioned

in previous messages, it may take years of detoxification to completely

level out ES sensitivity. My Quantum Home then becomes just one tool to use

to help keep my ES in balance.

I am curious what level of ES sensitivity you are at if you don't use your

SpringLife, after your years of detoxification?

Have you considered writing a book, or creating a website that summarizes

all your approaches? I have learned a huge amount through this group, and

wonder if it would be even more helpful to have all your approaches

summarized on a website? Just a point of view.

Cheers,

Glenn

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>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Introduction

>Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:39:30 -0700

>

>Thanks for your introduction, Ed. Very interesting!

>

> >That's when all of a sudden I developed a strange calcium " allergy " .

> >Each time I would eat something with calcium, whether it was almonds

> >or >brocolli or cheese, I would become extremely sleepy and crash on a

> >couch and >would lie there for about two hours before I recovered.

>

>For me, eating foods high in calcium *helps* my tolerance of EMF. However,

>I do recall that many years ago (before I had my metal dental work all

>removed), I tried a little " coral calcium " mixed in water. I got terrible

>brain fog, fatigue, and loss of short term memory.

>

>However, in retrospect, I think I would consider this a case of " too much

>of a good thing " . If one is really toxic, and they take something that

>mobilizes those toxins into the bloodstream, you will definitely feel

>fatigued. I think the solution is to first try doing that same thing in

>lesser amounts to see if there is a level which makes you feel better, not

>worse.

>

>The more I read about others EMF symptoms and observe my own, the more I

>think that the EMF is mobilizing toxins from our cells into our

>bloodstream, which is then making us feel bad. Eating foods or supplements

>which mobilize these toxins will make us feel even worse, while eating

>foods and supplements which bind to these toxins and take them out of our

>system safely will make us feel even better. For me, the one supplement

>which seems to do this best is something called " Active H- " powder from

>www.NewVision.com. I've been taking this (or it's predecessor

> " Microhydrin " ) for the past 3 years. This is a very expensive supplement

>($100), but I take it in such small amounts (1/4 scoop taken once a day)

>that one bottle lasts 400 days! A cheaper alternative is barley grass

>powder (I use Green Magma), and in general sea vegetables are helpful.

>Also, I've been reading that foods which high in " good fats " are also

>helpful in binding with toxins, and for this I realized that every day I

>eat an organic avocado and some olive oil.

>

>And as a longterm solution, a long, slow detoxification program can

>gradually get rid of the toxins in your cells so that there isn't much for

>the EMF to mobilize, which in the end will make one highly tolerant of EMF.

>

>But again, this is just my *theory*. I could be completely wrong, but this

>theory does seem to match my observations of myself and others.

>

>Marc

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Hi Marc,

>And as a longterm solution, a long, slow detoxification program can

>gradually get rid of the toxins in your cells so that there isn't much for

>the EMF to mobilize, which in the end will make one highly tolerant of EMF.

>

>But again, this is just my *theory*. I could be completely wrong, but this

>theory does seem to match my observations of myself and others.

I am thinking somewhat in the same direction but slightly different (more

below).

I've observed that diet, minerals and other supplements can have a big impact on

electrosmog sensitivity.

I'll try to list all relations I think I've experienced:

* Low-carbohydrate diet + calcium rich foods

--> Brain fogs, heart arrythmia, lowered IQ

* Low-carbohydrate diet + high dose of Coenzyme Q10

--> Reduces brain fogs

* 100% raw diet with fruit, raw tuna, beef and egg yolks and lots of raw olive

oil

--> Made sensitivity disappear almost completely

The above mentioned diet can be found on www.waisays.com . I wasn't able to

continue this diet because my bloodsugar levels became very unstable.

Here is a nice page with information on the negative hydride ion.

http://www.h-minus-ion.org/

Check out the EM-1 in the article which I've used. It does give me more energy,

but I'm not sure it reduced electrosmog sensitivity.

To return to the topic of toxins causing ES.

I think electrosmog is bad and unhealthy for each and every living thing on this

planet.

I think there is ample evidence that the blood-brain barriers opens, that the

calcium channels get upset and that it could also cause the opening of the

intestine-blood barrier.

From simple studies which show that rat's brains develop dark spots, I conclude

you don't need to be ES to get negative symptoms from electrosmog. (The rats

weren't asked if they were ES and I think we can assume they probably weren't

all ES) ( http://www.newtreatments.org/doc/WisdomExperience/102 ).

In both ES and non-ES people negative effects *take* place, but ES people can

feel the effects immediately because some conditions aggravate the symptoms.

For example: If a person has more than normal calcium levels in his blood

(low-carb diet causes this for example) then he will be bothered by HF worse

than someone with normal calcium levels.

Blood-brain barriers opens and lets calcium leak into the brain. The calcium

channels in the neurons are upset by the electrosmog and allow massive amounts

of calcium to enter the neurons. This causes over-excitation and can kill the

neuron.

In the appartment where I used to live I also noticed an extreme sensitivity to

supplements which contained aspartame and glutamic acid. If I would take one of

those, I wouldn't be able to sleep until 6 AM. I think that's the time it took

to flush it out of my blood (and hence my brain).

More on excitoxins: http://www.smart-drugs.net/ias-excitotoxins.htm and

http://www.dorway.com/blayenn.html .

Something comparable happens to all muscles in the body: Calcium acts as the

contract-command while magnesium acts as the release-command.

People with high calcium levels can very easily get heart arrythmia and muscle

spasms when they're radiated by HF waves.

But also the pancreas is triggered with calcium. Anything that upsets the

calcium levels *will* upset the critical bloodsugar regulation.

If the pancreas starts to pump too much insulin in the blood, a person can get

too low bloodsugar levels and vice versa.

And then there is the blood-intestinal barrier. If the intestines become

permeable, you can expect symptoms ranging from allergies to toxification from

the rotting food in the intestines, not to mention the endotoxins (toxins which

are products of the intestinal bacteria).

My idea is that ES causes damage to each and every person, but some conditions

can amplify the effects:

* How much calcium is circulating in the blood

* Like you say, how much toxins are stored in the body ?

* How well is the digestive tract working and how much toxins are there in the

colon ?

* Are the glands working properly such that they can easily handle fluctuations

in blood sugar (regulation depends on insulin, adrenalin, cortisone, etc)

* etcetera

I'm currently using a sophisticated method of meassuring someone's overall

health.

It's based on 7 tests from the urine and saliva and it's called Reams Bioligical

Theory of Ionization.

There also exists a comparable biological terrain management system of which

I've studied the website shortly.

What struck me, is that based on the values of the test, that system can tell

you if you're ES or not.

Here's some info on the BTM system:

http://www.healthydetox.org/articles/published_articles/rt_functional_medicine_t\

errain.html

After having tested with the RBTI test 15 people or so of which I know two are

ES, there is some (test-set is way too small) indication that it might be

related to a too alkaline body and liver.

This is reflected in both alkaline urine and alkaline saliva. In that pattern a

slow digestion is implicated and a tendency for parasites in the intestines.

Also, the alkaline numbers might mean an excess of calcium in the blood.

Coupled with the tendency of high frequency electrosmog to disrupt the

intestinal-blood barrier this could explain the ES.

It even works twofold:

1. The intestines let endotoxins enter the bloodstream

2. The brain-blood barrier is disrupted and allow these toxins to cause havoc in

the brain

Endotoxins can have grave effects on the brain. There are strong indications

that endotoxins are the real cause of autism, epilepsy and schizophrenia.

I've seen several autistic kids recover completely once they stopped feeding the

bacteria in their intestines (special diet like the one I'm using).

Like you said, this is just a theory.

Let me know what you think of it.

Ed,

The Netherlands

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> I am curious what level of ES sensitivity you are at if you don't use your

> SpringLife, after your years of detoxification?

Overall, my tolerance is MUCH better, even without the devices. 3 years

ago,

I couldn't tolerate sitting in front of a 15 " LCD monitor for more than a

few minutes, or get anywhere near a CRT or TV set, and had to limit my

time in grocery stores and on a landline, wired phones (I used

speakerphones).

These days, the only thing I seem to have problems with are CRT monitors

and headphones. Now, to be fair, I don't have much experience as of late

spending time around things without a Springlife Polarizer in my pocket,

but on those rare occassions when I forget to bring one with me, things

seem to be fine as long as I don't have to be around a CRT monitor, a

headphone, or a cellphone. In fact, if anything, I probably feel a

little

better because I'm not detoxing as rapidly as usual.

> Have you considered writing a book, or creating a website that summarizes

> all your approaches? I have learned a huge amount through this group,

> and wonder if it would be even more helpful to have all your approaches

> summarized on a website? Just a point of view.

I have not considered doing anything really, because I still feel like

I don't have all the answers. Especially when things which work for

me don't always work for others. I only created this group because

I felt that most of the information about ES on the web advocates

avoidance or shielding as the only solutions, when in my experience

I've found that there are far better solutions. But now with this

group I can figure out whether these better solutions actually

work for more than just me!

Marc

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> I've observed that diet, minerals and other supplements can have a big

> impact on electrosmog sensitivity.

Yes, I've observed that as well. You might try looking at sodium

and potassium too. Eating sea salt makes my ES worse. Eating

foods high in potassium (dates, bananas, prunes, potatoes, sea

vegetables) makes my ES better.

I've also found that high carb is better than low carb. I tried low

carb when I was listening to the anti-candida folks, but this didn't

work for me. High carb does, however. I've read that the liver needs

carbs to work effeciently, and when one is detoxing, one needs to

support their liver!

I get my carbs from fruits, veggies, and grains -- although I do

not tolerate wheat, oats seem to be okay, and quinoa is great!

> * 100% raw diet with fruit, raw tuna, beef and egg yolks and lots of raw

> olive oil

As for oils, you might want to try evening primrose oil. This seems

to be helpful for ES as well.

> Here is a nice page with information on the negative hydride ion.

> http://www.h-minus-ion.org/

Thanks, I've never seen this page before! It's important to note

that what was once called " Microhydrin " is no longer what's currently

sold as Microhydrin, as a few years ago there was a dispute between

the inventor ( Flanagan) and the company (Royal Body Care),

and Flanagan took his products to New Vision. So what was once

called Microhydrin is now called " Active H " . There is also " Megahydrin " ,

but this is sold as a caplet, and I've found that the powder mixed

in water works much better than the capsules or caplets.

> After having tested with the RBTI test 15 people or so of which I know

> two are ES, there is some (test-set is way too small) indication that it

> might be related to a too alkaline body and liver.

> This is reflected in both alkaline urine and alkaline saliva.

I can recall that when I was testing my saliva and urine a few years

ago, it was way too acidic, not alkaline.

> I've seen several autistic kids recover completely once they stopped

> feeding the bacteria in their intestines (special diet like the one I'm

> using).

I've also found that some probiotics help my ES symptoms. Primal Defense

is a good example. I used to have a bad reaction to this when it

contained

chlorella as an ingredient, but now that they've replaced it with barley

grass it works great.

> Like you said, this is just a theory.

> Let me know what you think of it.

I do think that calcium and the blood/brain and blood/colon barriers are

important factors, but I actually haven't thought too much about theories

in general, because it seems that whatever is going on it's very

complicated, and I've been more concerned with finding things to make

me feel better! But I agree that your theory could be correct.

Marc

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> Especially if your solutions are based on this theory and are working.

I think it would be more accurate to state this in reverse -- my theories

are based on the solutions which I've found to work! For me, step one

was to find things that worked. Step two was to try to figure out

*why* these things worked.

By the way, I'll soon be leaving on a vacation in Hawaii, so I won't be

as active here for the next 2 weeks (we will have a laptop with us, but

probably won't be using it much). I always seem to learn something

new when I go on vacation with respect to my ES symptoms, because the

environment is so different than what I'm used to. For example, on

our last vacation in Mexico, I learned the Springlife polarizers helped

with me being bothered by automobile fumes...

Marc

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hi mark,

> Also, I've been reading that foods which high in " good fats " are

also

> helpful in binding with toxins, and for this I realized that every

day I

> eat an organic avocado and some olive oil.

Aajonous Vonderplanitz whom espouses a raw animal diet wrote in both

of his books that raw animal fat is the main cleanser for the human

body.

Flavio

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