chicken pox vaccine

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about the different types of chicken pox, to my knowledge

chicken pox is chicken pox.

The CP vaccine is live so like the OPV is can be passed by saliva for two

weeks and through the stool for 6 wks. Many children get chicken pox from

the vaccine and can very easily pass it on to other people. It states in

the product insert that any recently vaccinated person should stay clear of

anyone with health problems, diseases or pregnant women.

Hope this helps!

chicken pox vaccine

From: " Kim B. " <Dolphinn@...>

I have heard that there are different types of chicken pox does any one

know

about this? And I was just wondering since the vaccine is the live type

does this allow a weaker version of the chicken pox to be picked up by

someone coming in contact with a just immunized child?

Thanks,

Kim B.

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[Guest guest]

I was at the Children's Resource Centre today with my kids, and actually had

the chance to flip through some of the " Today's Parent " magazines on the

rack. Dr. Sears, who has saved my life on several occassions with

some of his marvelous books, is now a regular -- some sort of ask the expert

column. I was thrilled, till I read what he wrote about the Chicken Pox

Vaccine. He wrote that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm not sure yet

what I think of the whole vaccine controversy -- that's why I'm here. But

when I heard about a vaccine for Chicken Pox -- I thought it had to be a

joke. I mean chicken pox! Anyway, just thought I'd mention this. Anyone

else see that??

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/00 5:33:38 PM GFT Standard Time,

larocca@... writes:

<<

>that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine

should

>eliminate that total

I've seen a poster that says 40 PEOPLE, not children, making me feel like

many of those are adults.

>>

See 100 people die a year from cp,and 40 of them are children 15 and under.

[Guest guest]

The stats I found at CDC had less than that for children...

Total Number of Infant Deaths Between 1979-94: 109 Source: Health, United

States: 1996-97

Total Number of Deaths for 1-4 Year Olds 12 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 5-9 Year Olds 7 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 10-14 Year Olds 4 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 15-19 Year Olds 1 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 20-24 Year Olds 3 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 25-34 Year Olds 14 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 35-44 Year Olds 13 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 45-54 Year Olds 3 (1996)

Total Number of Deaths for 55-64 Year Olds 1 (1996) Source: Unpublished NCHS

Data

Total Number of Deaths for Persons 65 and Over 17 (1996) Source: Unpublished

NCHS Data

(TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS FOR 1996...75. AGES 1-19, 24 DEATHS.)

>that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine

>should eliminate that total

I've seen a poster that says 40 PEOPLE, not children, making me feel like

many of those are adults.

>See 100 people die a year from cp,and 40 of them are children 15 and

>under.>

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-----Original Message-----

It mentions

>that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine

should

>eliminate that total

I've seen a poster that says 40 PEOPLE, not children, making me feel like

many of those are adults.

[Guest guest]

OR how many children die of other complications BECAUSE they're on asthma

medicine, chemo, etc.... It's been proven and documented a few years back that

those kids were sick from other diseases, then got chicken pox but the death was

layed on the cp. Whatever CDC. I just don't have any patients for these dolts.

You're right, this is very sad.

tmod@... wrote:

> From: tmod@...

>

> Just heard on article today on the radio saying that there are not enough

> doctors pushing for children to be immunized against Chicken pox, I believe

> the American Medical Associaation came out with this report. It mentions

> that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine should

> eliminate that total. Of course they didn't go into what makes up the whole

> vaccine and how damaging it could be. It is tragic that 50 children die from

> chicken pox, but how many more children are damaged from the vaccine

> unknowingly. This report certainly woke me up this morning. Theresa

> tmod@...

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" The proponents of mandated chickenpox vaccination of children pronounce

that over 100 die of chickenpox each year. They do not emphasize, however,

that it is adults who are at higher risk and that they will not be required

to be vaccinated! The numbers above show that in 1997 (the last year

available) no children died from chickenpox in New York. " -- Null

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/niin/Deaths_from_Chickenpox_New_York.htm

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Chicken Pox vaccine

> From: tmod@...

>

> Just heard on article today on the radio saying that there are not enough

> doctors pushing for children to be immunized against Chicken pox, I

believe

> the American Medical Associaation came out with this report. It mentions

> that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine

should

> eliminate that total. Of course they didn't go into what makes up the

whole

> vaccine and how damaging it could be. It is tragic that 50 children die

from

> chicken pox, but how many more children are damaged from the vaccine

> unknowingly. This report certainly woke me up this morning. Theresa

> tmod@...

>

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Theresa

is right. " Complications " from the drugging kills the children.

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The following article originally appeared in the January 1999 Well Beings

newsletter, a publication of Vaccination Alternatives, NYC,

<va-sk@.... It may be reprinted elsewhere in its entirety.

CHICKEN POX: Why Do Children Die?

By Krasner (gk-cfic@...)

------------teaser--------------

While chicken pox is rarely fatal, vaccination proponents in New York

State want to mandate universal vaccination of school children against

varicella. But rather than keeping them away from “infected” kids,

Natural Hygienists suggest a better way to regain health and avoid death:

Keep them away from allopathic physicians!

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After learning of the legislative attempt to make the varicella vaccine

mandatory in New York, I looked for a handle for an article. Since I

didn’t recall that chicken pox had ever been grouped in the category of

medicine’s infamous “Killer Diseases”, I thought I should find out how

the Medical Boys justified making it compulsory for school children. It

became apparent that the only medical justification for this vaccine had

been the claimed mortalities. I went to the CDC’s website and found

something revealing in the May 15, 1998/Vol. 47/No. 18 issue of Morbidity

and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR, their official publication). It was

entitled, “Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children: Texas and Iowa

notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella (chickenpox) that occurred

in children during 1997” (reprinted in Appendix A below). A short

introduction stated that in the U.S. there are approximately 100 deaths

(about half of these in children) and 10,000 hospitalizations each year

for complications from chicken pox from infection with the varicella

virus.

After going over the report, I remembered why I stopped reading medical

journals. In each of the three cases the young boys started out with

fevers and/or other minor inflammatory conditions. Following each regimen

of antibiotics, analgesics, or steroidal medications their condition grew

progressively worse. The doctors responded to each new symptom with yet

another drug, until the children died. Having an understanding of Natural

Hygiene (note: it is briefly described by Harvey Diamond in his best

seller, Fit For Life), I understood why the children got progressively

worse from the drugging. But even equipped with a rudimentary

understanding of the principles of N.H., one would realize that chicken

pox is not a fatal disease, but rather a very common, benign inflammatory

condition. And fatalities—as rare as they are—must actually result from

inappropriate care, or the kinds of aggressive medical interventions

described in the MMWR report.

With paraphrasing here and there, the next 9 paragraphs is taken from the

section on chicken pox from the 1965 book, “Food Is Your Best Medicine”

by Henry Bieler, M.D. He was a renowned clinician practicing in Pasadena,

CA for over 50 years until his death in 1975. Dr. Bieler’s skills were

sought after by Hollywood celebrities and honored by his peers (a medical

wing was named after him). His book is still available from Random House.

Chicken pox arises from the elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids

through the hair fat glands. The chemical burn from the purging of waste

products though the skin causes the characteristic blister of this

disease. This occurs when the liver is congested and cannot perform its

eliminative function and metabolic waste matter (toxins) is then thrown

into the bloodstream. These toxins in the blood must be discharged, so

nature uses vicarious avenues of elimination, or “substitutes”. When

these bile poisons (from the liver) in the blood come out through the

skin, we get skin conditions manifested by rashes, boils, acne, etc. Or

they come out through the mucous membranes (inside skin) manifesting as

various catarrhs, like chicken pox. Thus, the skin is “substituting” for

the liver, or a vicarious elimination is occurring through the skin.

FOOD AND DRUGS ARE CONTRAINDICATED

During the more acute and involved forms of toxemia, such as measles,

chicken pox, fever, or flu, the liver is much too busy neutralizing toxic

wastes to be bothered with digestion of food. Therefore, to facilitate

the elimination of this waste, fasting on distilled water is essential in

such cases. This accounts for the lack of digestive juices produced, and

the loss of appetite that accompanies these illnesses.

After cells have been damaged by the toxic wastes, it is important for

bacteria—acting as scavengers—to attack and devour the weakened, injured

and dead cells. Otherwise, these dead cells would become accumulated

toxic waste themselves. Therefore, antibiotics and other bactericides

must not be administered. The so called “bad” bacterial strains die out

on their own anyway, once their food (toxic waste) is used up. But until

that point, they play an important role in the process that converts

waste for eventual elimination.

The class of drugs that doctors use to treat catarrhal diseases are

called antipyretics. Among antipyretics, aspirin tops the list of

favorites. Aspirin is a phenol (carbolic acid) derivative, with all the

chemical qualities of phenol, but without the deadly effect of carbolic

acid. Aspirin, like phenol, deadens the nerve endings, thereby masking

pain. But aspirin also diminishes a fever by partially blocking the

thyroid and the adrenal glands (a bad thing). The phenol derivatives

interfere with the proper function of the liver and damage liver cells.

The use of aspirin, then, is an attempt to drive out one devil (disease

toxins) by admitting another devil!

THE IMPORTANCE OF FEVER

Fever in a child is a frightening symptom to the mother. Just what is the

function of fever? Is it a harmful process, something to suppress and

worry about? Or is it the body’s attempt to burn up a poison, thereby

helping to dispose of it more quickly?

In the diseases of childhood, fever begins in the liver. In a very

strong, robust child, with properly functioning endocrine glands, the

toxin is often completely consumed in the liver. The child does not feel

sick or have pain; he just has a fever and if the liver area is carefully

palpated, it can be noted that there is an elevation of temperature over

that organ. In fact, if the temperature under the tongue is 105 degrees,

the internal temperature of the liver may be as high as 110 degrees. But

if the liver is unable to oxidize completely the poisons of disease so

that some leak through into the blood stream, then, under the action of

the endocrine glands, the poisons seek vicarious outlets via the mucous

membranes. This may be through the upper respiratory tract, diagnosed by

doctors as flu, sinusitis, pharyngitis, tonsillitis and possibly even

pneumonia, which is a complicated kind of bronchitis. All through this

process, the whole power of the liver is diverted into neutralizing the

toxic wastes of disease, as evidenced by the fever.

The liver is much too busy to be bothered with the task of the digestion

of food. Great strain can be taken off that organ if no food is given.

Not only does fasting lower the temperature, relieve the distress and

facilitate elimination, but it also lessens the strain on the liver and

prevents serious complications, such as middle-ear disease, mastoiditis

and meningitis. Left alone, a fever will not exceed 106 degrees. And only

about 4 percent of children experience fever-related convulsions, with no

serious aftereffects.

A fast (on distilled water, or at least diluted fruit or vegetable

juices) should be continued for twenty-four hours after the temperature

has returned to normal. A good rule to remember is that the bowel can be

cleared of toxins (by physic or enemas) in twenty-four hours; the blood

in three days; the liver in five days, providing no food is eaten.

Shingles (“adult chicken pox”), an eliminative crisis through the mucous

membranes that occurs in adults, may require about a week-long fast to

completely clear up.

It appears then, that fever, dreaded because misunderstood, is really

nature’s attempt to help. It is discomforting, but never does harm; never

is attended with serious aftereffects and never should be suppressed with

anti-inflammatory drugs or fed with food. I have seen many a case of flu

pushed into a pneumonia because some anxious grandmother insisted upon

something “to give the child strength”, such as chicken broth or a thin

starchy gruel, both liquids, of course, but protein and starch—just what

the liver cannot handle at this point.

THE TRUE CAUSE OF “INFECTIOUS” DISEASE

>From Dr. Bieler’s words (above) we gain a little understanding of

Natural Hygiene. So-called “infectious” diseases like chicken pox,

measles, or whooping cough are actually inflammatory diseases. The

symptoms during such illnesses should be viewed as eliminative crises.

They may be very painful, but they’re a necessary self-limiting process

in which an accumulation of retained metabolic waste (dead cells that

become toxic), and the residues of undigested, unassimilated foods are

being purged from the body through vicarious (abnormal, inappropriate)

channels such as the skin or lungs. Thus, the familiar runny nose, cough,

stiffness, fever, and numerous rashes, swellings, lesions, and eruptions

through the skin are all manifestations of the same cause—which are not

pathogenic microbes.

Microbes like bacteria, for example, act as scavengers to consume the

toxic wastes and the dead cells following inflammation. Their formation

and growth do not precede the diseased state in the host, but rather

emerge in its wake; and not exogenically—from say, an “infected”

person—but rather endogenically, from the genetic material contained in a

cell’s nucleus after the cell’s death and decomposition. Fortunately, a

wide range of bacterial strains, or their genetic “blueprints” (e.g., the

various cellular and sub cellular—or “filterable”—stages that bacteria

cycle through), inhabit our bodies all the time in titers low enough that

their waste products do not affect us. Recently reported villains like

salmonella, e. coli, or streptococcus are enteric and ever-present inside

us. The viruses associated with measles, polio, influenza, and all the

rest are also present—both in health and disease—and may have only an

associative relationship with the diseases, but no proven causative

roles. (Incredibly, modern medicine still hasn’t determined the mechanism

by which a virus causes poliomyelitis.) But when we become toxemic and

our blood loses its alkalinity, the pathogenic strains begin to flourish

in the bodily waste that accumulates—even well before any outward

symptoms (inflammation and elimination) begin to appear. Their morphology

(strain and function) is determined by the type of waste that is present

for them to feed upon.

Symptoms are often triggered by a physiochemical or psychological

“trauma”, such as exposure to cold or toxic chemicals, stress, lack of

sleep, ingestion of spoiled meat, a sting or bite from an insect, or an

injected vaccine. Why these diseases occur predominantly in children is

best described by Dr. Bieler: “The childhood years should be the

healthiest of all. It is during those early years that the endocrine

glands and the liver are in their best functional capacity, giving the

healthy child his natural state of exuberance, inexhaustible energy, and

faultless elimination”. When elimination ends and symptoms subside,

doctors will proclaim that the drug had “taken effect”. But they are

confusing symptoms with cause; believing that the disappearance of the

former equates to the disappearance of the latter. But obviously a cause

and an effect cannot be one in the same. When you stop the body from

discharging toxic waste, you are not stopping the disease; you are merely

stopping the effects.

But more importantly, when Allopathic physicians employ pain killers,

fever suppressants, steroids and other drugs—which are sub-lethal doses

of poisons—they have the effect of weakening the patient to the extent of

checking elimination. This is a dangerous effect, because the waste

products of these germs that have fed on the dead cells, together with

the irritation from the toxins themselves may be absorbed into the blood,

and irritating the already overworked liver—which is the detoxification

center of the body. Antibiotics—which literally means “against life”—act

chiefly by violently stimulating the adrenal glands. But if they are weak

or depleted, the disease runs a chronic, often recurring course. In the

aftermath of these germicides, there are also left fewer germs to convert

waste, and no means to carry off and eliminate the dead cells. Not

surprisingly, there are more deaths today from septicemia (blood

poisoning caused by toxic waste from putrefactive bacteria) than there

were before the use of antibiotics. (One of the boys from the MMWR report

died from it.) Reactions from antibiotics include anaphylactic shock,

aplastic anemia, and induced virulent infections. Deaths from penicillin

still occurs today.

CHICKEN POX DOESN’T KILL; DOCTORS KILL

It’s now plain to see why the children described in the afore-referenced

MMWR had died. They were given numerous antibiotics, steroids,

antipyretic and antipruritic medications and other fever suppressers,

some administered directly into their bloodstreams. Probably they were

given food to eat as well, even during the height of their inflammatory

responses. The CDC admits that children don’t die from chicken pox per

se, but rather “complications” from chicken pox. But what they don’t say

is that these complications are all derived from acute blood toxemia

established by the very treatments used by allopathic physicians.

What does the CDC list as the most common complication? Pneumonia and

secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics). Other

complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed brain

tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as

intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin—an

anticoagulant, or “blood thinner”), hepatitis (congested and inflamed

liver caused by the antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for

the calcium needed to neutralize acidic blood, mostly caused by the

aspirin), and Reye’s syndrome (most commonly associated with giving

aspirin to children that have chicken pox or influenza).

Like aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs, acetaminophen (ie.

Tylenol) will also burden the liver and kidneys and check the vital

actions of the body to discharge waste from the blood. Acetaminophen

poisoning is also common because it throws the chemistry of the liver

off. In fact, it is the most common drug-induced cause of liver failure.

It depletes hepatic glutathione, causing the toxic metabolite NAPQI to

fail to conjugate, which leads to hepatic injury, and sometimes death.

Therefore, to say that “death is a complication of chicken pox”, is like

saying, “bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand”:

each event is neither contingent nor a consequence of the preceding one.

Their association is artificial; requiring specific intervening actions

to take place. Actions that are in accord and mandated by standard

medical practice.

To promote the vaccine, the CDC proclaims that, “varicella (chicken pox)

is the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in children in the

United States.” But while the deaths are certainly preventable, they have

nothing to do with the vaccine.

Copyright 1999 by Krasner

Postscript:

The advice in this article is applicable to all inflammatory diseases.

Historically, Natural Hygiene had preceded allopathic medicine, and it

represents a different paradign of disease, particularly inflammatory

(“infectious”) diseases. Hygienists would argue that allopathy’s

perceived “success” in the prevention and cessation of physical symptoms

is really achieved through “enervation”, or the weakening of the

detoxification and eliminative capacity of our bodies through the use of

sublethal dose of poisons (drugs). The claimed lower incidence of

infectious diseases (just symptoms, mind you) among vaccinated children

may simply prove that such children are more likely getting more drugs,

vaccines and chemically laden food, which all contributes to enervation

and symptom suppression. While any children may experience an eliminative

crisis, they are not by themselves “killer” diseases. In fact, they are

really indicators of a “cure” in progress, if they are left to run their

natural course.

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Appendix A:

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

May 15, 1998 / Vol. 47/No. 18

Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children

Texas and Iowa notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella

(chickenpox) that occurred in children during 1997

Case 1

On February 28, 1997, a previously healthy, unvaccinated 21-month-old boy

developed a typical varicella rash. He had no reported exposure to

varicella. On March 1, he was taken to a local emergency department (ED)

with a high fever and was started on oral acetaminophen and

diphenhydramine. On March 3, his primary-care physician prescribed oral

acyclovir. On March 4, his mother noted a new petechial-like rash. The

next morning, his primary-care physician noted lethargy, a purpuric rash,

and poor perfusion. He was transferred to a local ED. Fluid resuscitation

and intravenous ceftriaxone were initiated, but the child continued to

deteriorate rapidly, requiring intubation, mechanical ventilation, and

inotropic support with dopamine. Blood cultures were negative for

bacterial pathogens. Laboratory tests indicated disseminated

intravascular coagulation and severe dehydration. Approximately 1.5 hours

after arrival at the ED, he was transported to a tertiary-care center.

Within 10 minutes of arrival, he suffered cardiac arrest and died. The

death was attributed to varicella with hemorrhagic complications.

Case 2

On December 21, 1997, a 5-year-old unvaccinated boy with a history of

asthma was taken to a local ED with a fever of 104.5 F (40.3 C) and a

typical varicella rash in multiple stages of healing. The child was

treated with antipyretic and antipruritic medications and discharged.

That evening, the boy developed mild dyspnea and was treated at home for

a presumed asthma attack with metered-dose inhalers and one dose of oral

prednisone. He returned to the ED on December 22 with shortness of breath

and a 4-hour history of abdominal and leg pain. On presentation to the

ED, one of the patient’s siblings had active varicella and another had

recently recovered from varicella. Physical examination revealed numerous

chickenpox lesions, one of which appeared infected. He was tachypneic,

and his extremities were mottled consistent with peripheral septic

emboli. Chest and abdominal radiographs revealed a right pleural

effusion, pneumonia, and mild ileus. Thoracostomy produced pleural fluid

containing gram-positive cocci, confirmed 8 hours later to be group A

Streptococcus (GAS). A peripheral blood sample revealed gram-positive

cocci. He was admitted to the hospital and treated with intravenous

ceftriaxone, nafcillin, and acyclovir.

After admission, his breathing became labored and his extremities

increasingly mottled. He rapidly developed hypotension, obtundation, and

bradycardia. Despite efforts at cardiopulmonary resuscitation, the child

died 5 hours after arriving at the ED. A post-mortem examination

attributed the death to GAS septicemia, pneumonia, and pleural effusion,

complicating varicella infection.

Case 3

On December 14, 1996, a previously healthy, unvaccinated 23-month-old boy

developed fever and a typical varicella rash. Approximately 1-2 weeks

earlier, his unvaccinated 4-year-old sibling had contracted varicella. He

was taken to his physician on December 17 because of persistent fever and

cellulitis of the left foot, and he was hospitalized on December 19 for

failure to improve on an unspecified outpatient antibiotic regimen.

Because his condition deteriorated despite intravenous methicillin and

ceftriaxone, he was transferred to a regional hospital on December 21.

Sepsis, possible viral meningoencephalitis, and mild pleural effusion

were diagnosed. A cerebrospinal fluid examination revealed lymphocytic

pleocytosis, and blood and urine cultures grew penicillin-resistant

Staphylococcus aureus. Antibiotics were changed to nafcillin and

gentamycin, and intravenous acyclovir was added on December 23. On

December 24, the child developed an aortic insufficiency murmur, and an

echocardiogram revealed a 9x9 mm vegetation on the aortic valve,

consistent with bacterial endocarditis. Serial echocardiograms displayed

growth of the vegetation and development of a pericardial effusion. He

was transferred to a cardiac surgery center on December 26. While

awaiting surgery, he developed refractive heart failure secondary to

staphylococcal endocarditis. He became incoherent, probably secondary to

a major embolic neurologic event, and died on January 8, 1997.

====================BOX======================

CAPTION:

In 1997, 3 deaths reported by two states did not occur from chicken pox,

but rather from the unnecessary drugs they used to treat it.

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We received positive responses from many who read, " Chicken Pox: Why Do

Children Die?, from our 11/98-1/99 double issue. The following letter

from Estrada, M.D. published in " Infections in Medicine® "

[infect Med 16(5):307, 1999. © 1999 SCP Communications, Inc.] apparently

supports Krasner's assertion that the complications that children

die from are not caused by chicken pox per se, but rather from the the

drugs that doctors use to " treat " chicken pox.

—Sharon Kimmelman, Publisher, " Well Beings "

Pediatric Bulletin Varicella and GAS: Do NSAIDs Fuel the Fire?

Estrada, MD, University of South Alabama, Mobile, Ala.

[infect Med 16(5):307, 1999. © 1999 SCP Communications, Inc.]

During the past decade, there has been an increase in the frequency of

severe Group A beta-hemolytic streptococcal (GAS) infections in children.

Factors associated with this development are an increase in the

prevalence of exotoxin-producing serotypes and low herd immunity. The

increase is due in part to the low rates of infection with these strains

in the past.

It has been noted in some series that severe invasive GAS infections such

as necrotizing fasciitis (NF) and streptococcal toxic shock syndrome

(STSS) are associated with preexisting varicella infections in up to 47%

of patients ( CL et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J 15:151-156, 1996).

Another possible association, this one between the use of nonsteroidal

anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and severe GAS infection in children

with varicella, has also been reported by several investigators. NSAIDs

have been used to ameliorate the signs and symptoms of varicella, but the

question of whether their use increases disease progression remains.

The association between fulminant NF and the use of NSAIDs was reported

by Rimailho and collaborators more than a decade ago (Rimailho et al: J

Infect Dis 155:143-146, 1987). These investigators described fulminant

disease in five patients treated with NSAIDs, which included aspirin,

diclofenac, piroxicam, and nifluminic acid. Several studies have

demonstrated the development of lymphopenia and decreased lymphocyte

function in the presence of aspirin and other NSAIDs. It has also been

shown that abnormal neutrophil chemotaxis, chemiluminescence, and

lymphocyte transformation of PHA occurred when leukocytes from a patient

with NF were exposed to NSAIDs. This information suggests that NSAIDs may

decrease immune function and favor a widespread infection in patients

infected with invasive strains of GAS ( RJ: South Med J 84:785-787,

1991).

The association between the use of ibuprofen and the development of

severe GAS infection in children with varicella was first reported by

Brogan and colleagues (Brogan et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J 14:588-594,

1995) in a series in which five children developed GAS NF while receiving

treatment with this NSAID. The investigators concluded that it may be

prudent to limit the use of this drug for local complications of

varicella, since it may impair granulocyte function and at the same time

mask the signs of disease progression with GAS.

Until recently, most of the evidence suggesting a potential association

between the use of ibuprofen in patients with varicella and the

development of GAS invasive disease was based on isolated case reports or

data obtained from small case series. A recent study aimed at the

evaluation of risk factors associated with the development of invasive

GAS infection in patients with varicella found that the development of

invasive disease with this bacteria was 8.3 times more likely in those

patients in whom ibuprofen had been used during the first 5 days after

the onset of varicella ( CL et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J

15:151-156, 1996).

More recently, a case-controlled study was performed to determine whether

ibuprofen use was associated with the development of NF in patients with

varicella. This study included 19 children with varicella and NF and 29

controls also diagnosed with varicella and a serious soft-tissue

infection other than NF. Ibuprofen use before hospitalization was more

likely in cases than in controls (42% vs 15%). Patients with NF

complicated by renal insufficiency or STSS were also more likely to have

used ibuprofen than those with uncomplicated NF. Although this study does

not establish a direct causal relationship between ibuprofen use and the

development of GAS NF in patients with varicella, the findings imply that

an association may exist. The authors suggest that this association could

either be due to a more severe GAS infection promoted by the

immunoinhibitory effect of ibuprofen, or “masking” of the signs and

symptoms of disease progression by the action of the same drug. Another

possibility is that ibuprofen use could be only an indicator of more

severe disease that required more aggressive anti-inflammatory management

(Zerr DM et al: Pediatrics 103:783-790, 1999).

These studies suggest that there is an association between the use of

ibuprofen (and possibly other NSAIDs) in children with varicella and the

development of severe invasive GAS infection. Until a definite causal

relationship can be established or ruled out by future studies,

practitioners should consider the potential risks of using these

medications in children with varicella. Providing comfort for symptom

relief through the administration of these drugs must be weighed against

the potential for development of severe GAS disease.

Dr. Estrada is Assistant Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Pediatric

Infectious Diseases, University of South Alabama, Mobile, Ala.

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:46:30 EST tmod@... writes:

>From: tmod@...

>

>Just heard on article today on the radio saying that there are not

>enough

>doctors pushing for children to be immunized against Chicken pox, I

>believe

>the American Medical Associaation came out with this report. It

>mentions

>that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine

>should

>eliminate that total. Of course they didn't go into what makes up the

>whole

>vaccine and how damaging it could be. It is tragic that 50 children

>die from

>chicken pox, but how many more children are damaged from the vaccine

>unknowingly. This report certainly woke me up this morning. Theresa

>tmod@...

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[Guest guest]

Where exactly did you find this on the CDC site? Could you forward the

link?

Thanks a ton.

Paris Moon wrote:

>

> From: " Paris Moon " <paris_sun@...>

>

> The stats I found at CDC had less than that for children...

>

> Total Number of Infant Deaths Between 1979-94: 109 Source: Health, United

> States: 1996-97

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 1-4 Year Olds 12 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 5-9 Year Olds 7 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 10-14 Year Olds 4 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 15-19 Year Olds 1 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 20-24 Year Olds 3 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 25-34 Year Olds 14 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 35-44 Year Olds 13 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 45-54 Year Olds 3 (1996)

>

> Total Number of Deaths for 55-64 Year Olds 1 (1996) Source: Unpublished NCHS

> Data

>

> Total Number of Deaths for Persons 65 and Over 17 (1996) Source: Unpublished

> NCHS Data

>

> (TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS FOR 1996...75. AGES 1-19, 24 DEATHS.)

>

>

>

> >that annually 50 chilcren die a year from chicken pox, and the vaccine

> >should eliminate that total

> I've seen a poster that says 40 PEOPLE, not children, making me feel like

> many of those are adults.

>

>

> >See 100 people die a year from cp,and 40 of them are children 15 and

> >under.>

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Fast Stats from CDC/NCHS

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/fastats.htm

CHICKEN POX

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/chicken.htm

>Where exactly did you find this on the CDC site? Could you forward the

>link?

>Thanks a ton.

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Thanks a ton for your prompt response. I will be RAISING this issue with

my legisltor and how our Dept. of Health has lied. This will be my

SECOND confirmed (on paper)lie they are promoting.

Thanks again.

Paris Moon wrote:

>

> From: " Paris Moon " <paris_sun@...>

>

> Fast Stats from CDC/NCHS

>

> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/fastats.htm

>

> CHICKEN POX

>

> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/chicken.htm

>

>

>

> >Where exactly did you find this on the CDC site? Could you forward the

> >link?

> >Thanks a ton.

> >

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At 09:06 AM 04/13/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>I need some info fast! I need info on the chicken pox vaccine and it not

>protecting against shingles. I need documentation ASAP. Is there any? I'm

>searching thru my files now and but any help would be appreciated!

>

Not only does it not protect against shingles, often causes. I'll look

thru my stuff.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

yes, this had been commented on. What I find scandalous is this was just ONE

state and they are still saying how " safe " it is and I remember them saying " no

side effects " when it first came on the market. On the plus side, Illinois has

lifted the mandatory vaxxing of this for school(do I recall that correctly?)

I am not a medical doctor,

nor do I portray one on t.v.!

(But my husband,Mike,is!!!)

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I just wanted

to see if the short new item in Mothering had been commented on. On page 33

in the March/April 2001 Issue there is an news bulletin on the Chicken Pox

vaccine and Illinois.

[Guest guest]

I need to verify this, but I believe that around 90 people died from chicken

pox each year prior to vaccination, mostly among the immunocompromised,

adults, and or as a result of the consequences of treatment. Sandy from

Alaska

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WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE

AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR

HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Chicken Pox Vaccine

> Hey All,

> I'm going to introduce myself very soon, when I get the time! I just

wanted

> to see if the short new item in Mothering had been commented on. On page

33

> in the March/April 2001 Issue there is an news bulletin on the Chicken Pox

> vaccine and Illinois. There have been 45 deaths accredited to the vaccine

so

> far (remember this is just in ONE state). How many people die of the

chicken

> pox each year? There have been 186 injuries there so far. How stupid do

you

> have to be before you pulled this thing off the market? Also, it has MSG

in

> it!! My daughter is very allergic to corn!! What if I had given this to

> her??!! Horrors, just horrors.

>

> a G

> a breastfeeding, non-vaxing, corn avoiding, SAHmommy to a high needs, very

> sweet, but very bossy toddler

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:04 PM 04/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>I have a question about the chicken pox vaccine. My nephew had the

vaccine about a year ago. After he lost all motor function. It took him

several days to be able to walk again. I know this was caused by the vaccine.

>They have found out now he has sensory integration disorder. I wondered if

this could be caused by the shot also. I don't know much about it, I heard

it is similar to autism, so I thought it could be all related.

>Also, periodically, he spikes a high fever. No other symptoms, just the

fever. I have talked to his mom about vaccines and I just wondered if this

could all be related to getting shots.

>Thank you,

>Lynn

>

Yes, certainly, it could all be related.

Find a wonderful homeopath for him to get this out of his system

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[Guest guest]

>Do you want to get pooled blood from thousands of people - that is what it

is made from - usually vaccinated people..<

I didn't know that, I don't know why I never heard that before. The chicken pox

vaccine could be transmitting blood born diseases then, also. Where do they get

the blood from? I personally don't think vaccines work anyway.

Carlson......

[Guest guest]

> I didn't know that, I don't know why I never heard that before.

> The chicken pox vaccine could be transmitting blood born diseases

> then, also. Where do they get the blood from? I personally

> don't think vaccines work anyway. Carlson......

The immunoglobulin is different from the vaccine -- a vaccine usually give

you some form of the virus so that your body will learn how to defend

against it. An immunoglobulin is just the antibodies for a given virus -- a

temporary boost to (hopefully) prevent infection. I do not know how the

immunoglobulin is produced, but that is what the comment was in regard to.

VZIG, the immunoglobulin for varicella (chicken pox), is often given to

premature infants if someone exposes them to chicken pox while still in

NICU.

-

[Guest guest]

Wenoka,

My Ped says that Chicken Pox are most contagious right before you get the

actual spots. Sorry. Also, when my daughter had them, he just ushered us

right out the back door!! He told me she was still contagious in the

beginning, and to not even take her to the store. Of course, we needed

groceries for the long haul of staying home for a week!! I hope you guys can

avoid them. I seem to remember the incubation period as something like 10

days, but I could be fuzzy on that one. When my daughter's best friend in

Kindergarten came down with them, I just counted ten days, and sure enough!

Sandi

[Guest guest]

When Autumn got the chicken pox, the ped wouldn't even let us come in the

front door! He met us in the back nurses/doctor's lounge to examine her &

then told us to pay later. He gave us acyclovir to shorten the course of

the virus & it worked great. All of her spots were gone within 5 days. Her

outbreak wasn't that bad since she had had the chicken pox vaccine & some of

it took. It could have been much worse.

He also put her on preventative pulmicort and breathing treatments while she

still had visible spots, just in case the lung infections tried to break

through.

He told me the incubation period was 10-14 days. . .so who knows who's

right?

Ray, mother to Tabitha (age 7), Autumn, age 4 (IgG def., asthma,

chronic sinusitis, and allergies), and Duncan (16 months)

[Guest guest]

I ended up calling both the doctor's office where she had them done and the

health clinic. Both assured me that it is too late for it to be from the

vaccine. I found in the computer where I had logged how long to watch for

spots on Christi after she got it and I took the off the of the official

flyer that they hand out at the health clinic. The computer showed that I

had to watch for 5 weeks after the initial shot, so even with that long a

time involved this should not be related. What a relief. I hope that

whatever IS causing it is not going to end up going around the family.

Thanks for the input.

Wenoka

At 12:52 PM 10/09/2002 EDT, you wrote:

>Wenoka,

> My Ped says that Chicken Pox are most contagious right before you get the

>actual spots. Sorry. Also, when my daughter had them, he just ushered us

>right out the back door!! He told me she was still contagious in the

>beginning, and to not even take her to the store. Of course, we needed

>groceries for the long haul of staying home for a week!! I hope you guys

can

>avoid them. I seem to remember the incubation period as something like 10

>days, but I could be fuzzy on that one. When my daughter's best friend in

>Kindergarten came down with them, I just counted ten days, and sure enough!

>Sandi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wenoka - If Sam is receiving IVIG then you shouldn't have too much to worry

about. He should be well protected.

Ursula Holleman

Macey's mom (7 yr. old with CVID, asthma, sinus disease, GERD, Diabetes

Insipidus, colonic inertia)

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[Guest guest]

At 04:16 AM 01/13/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Is there a concern that chickenpox vaccine causes asthma? I would think

>we'd be entitled to compensation on that one...

>

>cindy

ANY vaccine can cause ANY symptoms - it just depends on the person's

susceptibility.

You may get the chix pox vax and have a weakness, respiratory-wise -

tendency to get respiratory things - so you might get asthma

You might have a weakness in some other area - tendency - you would should

some other symptoms indicating damage

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[Guest guest]

Here in the UK our kids don't get the chicken pox vaccine.

I'm not really sure if i can help - 's issues were there even before he had his 1st lot of jabs, so i'm fairly certain that they had nothing to dowith it.

I htink you and your husband have to sit down and have a good talk about it.

Chicken Pox Vaccine

My husband and I are at different sides of this issue. He belives the doctor knows best and wants to give my 9 y/o the chicken pox booster. was diagnosed at 6 y/o with high functioning autism. This was after he recieved the original chicken pox vaccine. I'm not positive that vaccines had a hand in his autism, but my husband is positive that they did not. I need the opinions of others to help me with this conundrum.Thanks,

[Guest guest]

My 13 year old son has Aspergers Syndrome. When they mentioned the

chicken pox vaccine to me at his physical, I explained that just

recently there was more information coming out showing the link between

vaccines and autism and I was not willing to take any chances with my

child. She agreed with me.

Beth

>

> My husband and I are at different sides of this issue. He belives the

> doctor knows best and wants to give my 9 y/o the chicken pox booster.

> was diagnosed at 6 y/o with high functioning autism. This was

> after he recieved the original chicken pox vaccine. I'm not positive

> that vaccines had a hand in his autism, but my husband is positive

> that they did not. I need the opinions of others to help me with this

> conundrum.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

-------Original Message-------

From:

Date: 14/09/2008 3:30:11 PM

My husband and I are at different sides of this issue. He belives the

Doctor knows best and wants to give my 9 y/o the chicken pox booster.

was diagnosed at 6 y/o with high functioning autism. This was

After he received the original chicken pox vaccine. I'm not positive

That vaccines had a hand in his autism, but my husband is positive

That they did not. I need the opinions of others to help me with this

Conundrum.

Thanks,

*********************

There are people on here with strong feelings on both sides. The scientific

evidence is that vaccinations are useful and few will have side effects.

The anecdotal evidence is that some kids will have a reaction, and that may

include the development of autism. I personally am sceptical of the claim

that vaccines *cause* autism, as there are many autistic people who were

autistic before they had any vaccines, or who were never vaccinated. I

would not, however, dismiss the claim that there may be a connection between

vaccines and autism in *some* cases. Our kids have had all their vaccines,

and neither showed any change in behaviour afterwards. My son showed ASD

characteristics before he was born, and they did not get worse after

vaccination. You have to way up the risk and decide on what you believe is

best. Some people will condemn you whichever way you go, so you may as well

do what you believe to be right.