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In a message dated 12/11/2004 11:25:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

lisak70@... writes:

However, as of January, I will be switched

over to the Medicare Premium Assistance Program. I'm going to leave well

enough alone for now, but after I've recovered from surgery, I plan to hire

a disability lawyer to seek legal action. I'm getting tired of being yanked

around like this.

It may not be as bad you think, go to your state's office, find out what is

that program is, it is possible it is an alternative to what you have been

getting. Keep in mind that many states have quite a few medicaid program. I

know that my state has 22 different medicaid programs and I am sure from the

" title " , it is just an alternative cuz you have medicare as well.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Lee,

Thanks for that information. After checking online, I learned that this

program is a part of Medicaid so I may not have anything to worry about.

Thanks again!

Surgery date: 12/22/04 (11 days and counting!)

Activation date: 1/18/05

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may not have anything to worry about but in that case she may not

need any more mochas. All the more for me, evil grin.

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[Guest guest]

I find it ridiculous too and had the same thing happen with my daughter a

few years ago. The only way that I know to get it changed is on the state

level. It would require legislation to change it. I just thought last week

because I thought that my 3 year old might have chicken pox (he didn't

unfortunately) that my daughter would again be kicked out of school if they

found out

about it, I wasn't going to tell them and I talked to her about not talking

about it either. Still, I know that if there are chicken pox that she will

have to stay home. It absolutely makes no sense and is discrimination if you

ask me especially since it is often the vaccinated kid that gets the chicken

pox and the other vaccinated kids can get it as well and that it could go on

and on throughout the year because they will spread it around amongst

themselves. Absolutely insane policy!!

I guess it worked for them to do it, especially if it basically forced 2

more kids to get the vaccine just to stay in school. I would never do that but

I think that we might try to find a state legislator who understand the

stupidity in this and would go to bat for us. What state are you in? I am in

MA.

Mavis

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In a message dated 10/9/2008 1:00:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Blessed2ice@... writes:

So...I just got a call from our school nurse, that there has been YET

ANOTHER chicken pox outbreak at my girls' school. If another case is

verified,

then my girls are out for 16 days for not being vaxed. Please tell me WHY

this

is fair? We found out last year after this happened, that there are only 5

kids in the entire district who have not been vaxed...2 are mine! Of those

5,

2 went on to get vaxed...so now that makes 3 non-vaxed.

Tell me, if the vaxed population is spreading the disease, WHY do my kids

have to suffer the consequences and miss school? Is there anyway that I can

fight this? Last year, I had the support of the superintendent to return

them

to school before the 16 days, BUT the CDC said " no " . It just doesn't seem

fair and now I'm pissed.

(not to mention, this is HORRIBLE timing...I am due to have another baby in

3-5 weeks...please give me information on how to handle a newborn w/siblings

at home w/cp should they contract it?...do I need to quarantene the baby?

I've had cp twice, so i'm either super immune now, OR i am one of the

unlucky

ones who will never develop an immunity)

Thanks in advance for the advice,

a

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It so weird seeing the hysteria about chicken pox in the US. As we don't

give the vax here in the UK on the NHS schedule most people just see it as a

kiddie disease that you get and you get on with it. At my sons school there

was an outbreak and he got it, it was not very nice and he was fairly unwell

for a few days, but nobody said much, and he went back in when he was scabby.

Its just accepted here that your kid will get chicken pox. I had it at 15

along with my sister and brother and we were all fine, happy to be off school.

Also a friend of mine 6 of his 9 kids got it at the same time, guess what

they are all fine.

Vaccine perceptions are odd, I am sure that when they bring it out here then

it will be a KILLER.

P.S my son got through it fine, no meds, not even homeopathy, and his

immune response was damaged by MMR. He does have some scaring though, not to

bad.

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[Guest guest]

You could get a blood test to see if they show immunity. They very well could

have had a mild case, or have been exposed and it could show up in the blood.

Then they would not be excluded. Make sure first that your state law allows for

that. Most of them do for certain diseases. What state are you in?

In the meantime, that's a great point to press about the vaxed kids spreading

it. Suggest to the school that they shut down to protect those who are vaxed

because they are the ones who are getting it.

I would go so far as to suggest that the outbreak started with the vaccine

because it's live. Since many kids get their shots updated before school starts,

it's likely that many of them are actually coming down with CP from the vax! If

the school really cared about disease and not just covering their butts legally,

they would investigate.

I also wonder what the time frame is for an " outbreak. " If one child gets it,

then two weeks later another gets it, does the first child still count? (not

sure what the minimum is--let's say it's two for now). Or do you have to have

several current cases at once?

Winnie

Here we go again...

Vaccinations

> So...I just got a call from our school nurse, that there has

> been YET

> ANOTHER chicken pox outbreak at my girls' school. If another

> case is verified,

> then my girls are out for 16 days for not being vaxed. Please

> tell me WHY this

> is fair? We found out last year after this happened, that

> there are only 5

> kids in the entire district who have not been vaxed...2 are

> mine! Of those 5,

> 2 went on to get vaxed...so now that makes 3 non-vaxed.

>

> Tell me, if the vaxed population is spreading the disease, WHY

> do my kids

> have to suffer the consequences and miss school? Is there

> anyway that I can

> fight this? Last year, I had the support of the superintendent

> to return them

> to school before the 16 days, BUT the CDC said " no " . It just

> doesn't seem

> fair and now I'm pissed.

>

> (not to mention, this is HORRIBLE timing...I am due to have

> another baby in

> 3-5 weeks...please give me information on how to handle a

> newborn w/siblings

> at home w/cp should they contract it?...do I need to quarantene

> the baby?

> I've had cp twice, so i'm either super immune now, OR i am one

> of the unlucky

> ones who will never develop an immunity)

>

> Thanks in advance for the advice,

> a

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[Guest guest]

Oh, and demand they are privately tutored at the school's expense.

Here we go again...

Vaccinations

> So...I just got a call from our school nurse, that there has

> been YET

> ANOTHER chicken pox outbreak at my girls' school. If another

> case is verified,

> then my girls are out for 16 days for not being vaxed. Please

> tell me WHY this

> is fair? We found out last year after this happened, that

> there are only 5

> kids in the entire district who have not been vaxed...2 are

> mine! Of those 5,

> 2 went on to get vaxed...so now that makes 3 non-vaxed.

>

> Tell me, if the vaxed population is spreading the disease, WHY

> do my kids

> have to suffer the consequences and miss school? Is there

> anyway that I can

> fight this? Last year, I had the support of the superintendent

> to return them

> to school before the 16 days, BUT the CDC said " no " . It just

> doesn't seem

> fair and now I'm pissed.

>

> (not to mention, this is HORRIBLE timing...I am due to have

> another baby in

> 3-5 weeks...please give me information on how to handle a

> newborn w/siblings

> at home w/cp should they contract it?...do I need to quarantene

> the baby?

> I've had cp twice, so i'm either super immune now, OR i am one

> of the unlucky

> ones who will never develop an immunity)

>

> Thanks in advance for the advice,

> a

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> destination.

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[Guest guest]

You know, now would be a great opportunity to educate the school

officials on just " who " started the outbreak!! Show them the

chickenpox package insert that shows the vaccinated are a contagious

risk. Here's the link and then go to page 7.

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf

or a shortened version:

http://tinyurl.com/27fe2k

[Guest guest]

I agree! I think schools should mandate that when a child receives

the chicken pox vaccine, that child should be kept at home for 21 days

to prevent the spread of the live virus to others. How would that be

for irony? Afterall, the Chicken Pox vaccine was created so that

parents wouldn't have to take time off work to care for their sick

child when they contracted the disease naturally. The chicken pox

lasts what, a week? But the vaccine can " shed " for up to 21 days!

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dawn <dawndanc@...> wrote:

> You know, now would be a great opportunity to educate the school

> officials on just " who " started the outbreak!! Show them the

> chickenpox package insert that shows the vaccinated are a contagious

> risk. Here's the link and then go to page 7.

>

> http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf

>

> or a shortened version:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/27fe2k

[Guest guest]

I would quarantine the baby for awhile just to be safe. Wait till thi

one blows over. This sounds crazy, but I would wear a mask and gloves

when I am out of the room where my newborn was. Don't bring anything

into the room that has been touched by the family.

Lots of hand washing.

On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Blessed2ice@... wrote:

> So...I just got a call from our school nurse, that there has been YET

> ANOTHER chicken pox outbreak at my girls' school. If another case

> is verified,

> then my girls are out for 16 days for not being vaxed. Please tell

> me WHY this

> is fair? We found out last year after this happened, that there are

> only 5

> kids in the entire district who have not been vaxed...2 are mine!

> Of those 5,

> 2 went on to get vaxed...so now that makes 3 non-vaxed.

>

> Tell me, if the vaxed population is spreading the disease, WHY do

> my kids

> have to suffer the consequences and miss school? Is there anyway

> that I can

> fight this? Last year, I had the support of the superintendent to

> return them

> to school before the 16 days, BUT the CDC said " no " . It just

> doesn't seem

> fair and now I'm pissed.

>

> (not to mention, this is HORRIBLE timing...I am due to have another

> baby in

> 3-5 weeks...please give me information on how to handle a newborn w/

> siblings

> at home w/cp should they contract it?...do I need to quarantene the

> baby?

> I've had cp twice, so i'm either super immune now, OR i am one of

> the unlucky

> ones who will never develop an immunity)

>

> Thanks in advance for the advice,

> a

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[Guest guest]

Actually, this new vaccine states that the vaccinated should

avoid certain groups of people for up to 6 weeks. Can you imagine the

poor unsuspecting parents of children with cancer...sending them off to

school to be around all of these kids who are " shedding " ? Totally

reckless, uneducated, and uninformed behavior on behalf of the medical

industry.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, keep the vaxed kids home!! didn't the insert say keep them away

6 wks?

On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Roberg wrote:

> I agree! I think schools should mandate that when a child receives

> the chicken pox vaccine, that child should be kept at home for 21 days

> to prevent the spread of the live virus to others. How would that be

> for irony? Afterall, the Chicken Pox vaccine was created so that

> parents wouldn't have to take time off work to care for their sick

> child when they contracted the disease naturally. The chicken pox

> lasts what, a week? But the vaccine can " shed " for up to 21 days!

>

>

>

> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Dawn <dawndanc@...> wrote:

> > You know, now would be a great opportunity to educate the school

> > officials on just " who " started the outbreak!! Show them the

> > chickenpox package insert that shows the vaccinated are a contagious

> > risk. Here's the link and then go to page 7.

> >

> > http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/

> varivax_pi.pdf

> >

> > or a shortened version:

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/27fe2k

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did this happen before the ridiculous vaccine came out? I don't ever remember

there being a panic over someone having chicken pox when I was in school.

Bronwyn

Wife to Kurt since 5/02

Mom to:

Dorian (7/04)

Faith (2/06)

Quinn (4/08)

and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

[Guest guest]

What scares me is our unvaxed kids catching some weird unnatural

mutant form of these dieseases!

On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Bronwyn Fackrell wrote:

> Did this happen before the ridiculous vaccine came out? I don't

> ever remember there being a panic over someone having chicken pox

> when I was in school.

>

> Bronwyn

> Wife to Kurt since 5/02

> Mom to:

> Dorian (7/04)

> Faith (2/06)

> Quinn (4/08)

> and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it does say 6 weeks... I didn't read the insert before my post.

The " 21 days " recommendation was based on the fact that when my best

friend was told to stay away from his seven-year-old daughter after

she received a varicella vax, because he'd never had the pox and being

around his own daughter would be risky for him. He wasn't able to

stay away from her for that long though... I helped take care of her

after the vax so that he could keep his distance, but within a couple

of days of the vaccination (she'd received several that day), she had

come down with what we thought was a horrible cold. We kept her home

from school that day. By that night she had become delirious, so her

mom took her to a ped urgent care.... she passed out several times

while there, and finally passed out and wouldn't wake up. They

FINALLY transported her to the ER, where it was determined she was in

a diabetic coma and had Type I diabetes. The doc stated her recent

vax round " could have " caused this. Doc wasn't sure exactly which vax

might have caused it, but deduced that the varicella probably attacked

and killed the pancreas.

Anyway, that's where my 21-day data came from... data from 2003.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Le <kdhrtd@...> wrote:

> Yes, keep the vaxed kids home!! didn't the insert say keep them away

> 6 wks?

[Guest guest]

Good angle, Dawn! See here, from the insert (my notes in bold):

Transmission

Post-marketing experience suggests that transmission of vaccine virus may occur

rarely between

healthy vaccinees who develop a varicella-like rash and healthy susceptible

contacts. Transmission of

vaccine virus from vaccinees without a varicella-like rash has been reported but

has not been confirmed [based on these unconfirmed reports, they decide that

it's " rare " ].

Therefore, vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid, whenever possible, close

association with

susceptible high-risk individuals for up to six weeks. In circumstances where

contact with high-risk

individuals is unavoidable, the potential risk of transmission of vaccine virus

should be weighed against the

risk of acquiring and transmitting natural varicella virus. Susceptible

high-risk individuals include:

• immunocompromised individuals [what it they haven't been diagnosed yet?]

• pregnant women without documented history of chickenpox or laboratory evidence

of prior

infection [how will they know if their pregnant teacher/neighbor/church leader

is at risk?]

• newborn infants of mothers without documented history of chickenpox or

laboratory evidence of

prior infection.

Re: Here we go again...

Vaccinations

> You know, now would be a great opportunity to educate the school

> officials on just " who " started the outbreak!! Show them the

> chickenpox package insert that shows the vaccinated are a

> contagious

> risk. Here's the link and then go to page 7.

>

> http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf

>

> or a shortened version:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/27fe2k

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's why they used the reasoning that parents won't have to miss work if the

child is vaxed (surprise--they still do miss it. A lot). The severity of the

disease was known to be low. Trying to scare parents about CP wouldn't work--and

still doesn't for many.

Winnie

Re: Here we go again...

Vaccinations

> Did this happen before the ridiculous vaccine came out? I don't

> ever remember there being a panic over someone having chicken

> pox when I was in school.

>

> Bronwyn

> Wife to Kurt since 5/02

> Mom to:

> Dorian (7/04)

> Faith (2/06)

> Quinn (4/08)

> and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, the bold didn't come through. My comments are in brackets.

Winnie

Re: Here we go again...

> Vaccinations

>

> > You know, now would be a great opportunity to educate the

> school

> > officials on just " who " started the outbreak!! Show them the

> > chickenpox package insert that shows the vaccinated are a

> > contagious

> > risk. Here's the link and then go to page 7.

> >

> >

> http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf>

> > or a shortened version:

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/27fe2k

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the feedback and support!

We live in Maine and I personally know the Secretary of State...I think I

may make a phone call if this comes to fruition again and my kids get kicked

out.

Thanks for the information about the " recommended " incubation period after

the vax...I will definitely use that in my arguments.

I'll let you know how things proceed over the next few weeks...

Thanks again,

a

p.s...As a CLC, I knew that by breastfeeding the baby would get some

protection, but when it's your own child, you kind of freak at the thought of a

newborn getting cp! hey, atleast if the baby gets cp, i won't have to deal

with

this when he/she is in school right! (trying to see some + in this

situation! )

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Oh..and I also wanted to say how nice it is to get support on this subject.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall on some of my online moms

groups with mothers who ask questions about vaccines and then I get blasted

when

I share my experience/knowledge. I'm so tired of people blaming my kids and

your kids for spreading these diseases...Gosh, people are SO misinformed

about vaccinations...it's really disheartening to know that so many kids are

getting vaxed by parents who just do not educate themselves and make informed

decisions and then walk around preaching misinformation. I know...i used to be

one, but look what it took me to get me to open my eyes...a vaccine injured

child. ARGH~!

Thanks again for the support!

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I agree. When I first learned there was a chicken pox vaccine I was

puzzled, and that was WAY before I ever started researching the whole

vaccine issue. It didn't make sense to me why they'd waste time,

effort and research dollars to come up with a vaccine for such a

non-issue disease, instead of going after " the killers " like they did

with mumps and measles. Of course, now I know that most of these

diseases are such non-issues when contracted by a healthy, nourished

child....

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:17 PM, <grafted2theroot@...> wrote:

> It so weird seeing the hysteria about chicken pox in the US. As we don't

> give the vax here in the UK on the NHS schedule most people just see it as a

> kiddie disease that you get and you get on with it.

[Guest guest]

YOu could just say that your child already has had CP. I never had

them and in college got a titer done which showed I was immune. And

then there are other that get it 2X for what ever reason. If your

child did get them " again " it would just be one of those weird things.

If that comes up at school, I will get the titers done to see if he

is immune. If not, I will find the child with CP and go over and

play so that will not be a concern anymore

andrea

> > It so weird seeing the hysteria about chicken pox in the US. As

we don't

> > give the vax here in the UK on the NHS schedule most people just

see it as a

> > kiddie disease that you get and you get on with it.

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't worry about quarantining the baby. If the baby is breastfeed

and your kids aren't licking their hands and rubbing the babies face I

wouldn't be to concerned My youngest brother had chicken pox at 3

weeks old, wasn't breastfed, and had NO complications (he is 22 now).

Trying to put a mask and gloves on is the last thing you need to worry

about doing with a newborn. I would try your best to keep hands

washed, and if the kids had CP keep their hands clean as well. Just

because your baby is exposed doesn't gurantee she will contract it, and

the less stress you are under the better for the whole family.

Marci

>

> I would quarantine the baby for awhile just to be safe. Wait till

thi

> one blows over. This sounds crazy, but I would wear a mask and

gloves

> when I am out of the room where my newborn was. Don't bring anything

> into the room that has been touched by the family.

> Lots of hand washing.

>

[Guest guest]

Chicken pox is an airborne " virus " anyway. Mask and gloves won't do much,

unless you're planning on masking the newborn.

Kay in KY

-----Original Message-----

Trying to put a mask and gloves on is the last thing you need to worry

about doing with a newborn. I would try your best to keep hands

washed, and if the kids had CP keep their hands clean as well. Just

because your baby is exposed doesn't gurantee she will contract it, and

the less stress you are under the better for the whole family.

Marci

>

> I would quarantine the baby for awhile just to be safe. Wait till

thi

> one blows over. This sounds crazy, but I would wear a mask and

gloves

> when I am out of the room where my newborn was. Don't bring anything

> into the room that has been touched by the family.

> Lots of hand washing.

>

[Guest guest]

The 3rd grade reading group I was working this week read a story about a

little boy who visits his classmate who is home with the chicken pox. The

students' vocabulary words come from the story. One of the vocab words was

" chicken pox " and defined as " a MILD childhood illness with a rash. "

I checked the copy write date of the story, 1992. HA! Just as the medical

industry was beginning to shift their marketing to make CP a killer and sell

their new vaccine!

The kids in my group had a nice discussion about how CP is NOT a big deal,

that I had it, and my kids had it. I told them they'd get to take a WEEK

off of school if they had CP (they thought THAT was pretty awesome!) LOL

Kay in KY

-----Original Message-----

I agree. When I first learned there was a chicken pox vaccine I was

puzzled, and that was WAY before I ever started researching the whole

vaccine issue. It didn't make sense to me why they'd waste time,

effort and research dollars to come up with a vaccine for such a

non-issue disease, instead of going after " the killers " like they did

with mumps and measles. Of course, now I know that most of these

diseases are such non-issues when contracted by a healthy, nourished

child....