Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I have found these words work perfectly: " My son/daughter has everything that she needs. " As far as the ER doctors/nurses know, your kids are up to date. But what that means to YOU is that your child has everything she or he needs, which is nothing. That phrase doesn't create confusion, frustration, nor controversy. You're telling the truth and they can interpret however they want. Just my two cents....and when we had to go to the ER with our daughter, those words were perfect. > > Does anyone have any good advice on handling ER doctors and nurses? > I'm more comfortable around my pediatrician, but I understand ER > doctors can be very pushy. > > I had spoken to another lady concerning ER docs, and she informed me > that she had a religious exemption in place well before her children > started school. She carried her religious exemption around with her > just in case she ever had to make an ER visit. I know some people are > never asked their child's vax status at the ER, but I'm not sure how > to handle confrontational situations, especially under so much > pressure. > > My dd is seven months, so when is the right time to have an exemption > on file? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Well, my one experience with an ER was positive -- on the vaccine front. We were asked about vax status when we got there and were going through the intake process. We told them we didn't vax, they noted it in the computer and nothing was ever asked again. The docs and nurses were more concerned with the acute problem at hand and never asked about vaxes, didn't pressure, nothing. We were pleasantly surprised. We live in the Denver, CO area though... Colorado seems to be not as uptight about the issue as other states, at least from my perspective. There are lots of docs here that don't vax their children, and the daycare that I've used a couple of times has several workers there that refuse to vax their kids, too. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:07 PM, cindylouwho_79 <cindylouwho_79@...> wrote: > Does anyone have any good advice on handling ER doctors and nurses? > I'm more comfortable around my pediatrician, but I understand ER > doctors can be very pushy. > > I had spoken to another lady concerning ER docs, and she informed me > that she had a religious exemption in place well before her children > started school. She carried her religious exemption around with her > just in case she ever had to make an ER visit. I know some people are > never asked their child's vax status at the ER, but I'm not sure how > to handle confrontational situations, especially under so much > pressure. > > My dd is seven months, so when is the right time to have an exemption > on file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Exemptions are typically needed until public school entry. Regarding the ER doctor - just smile poliitely and state your child is in compliance with the state law - that's all you need to state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 With all due respect, the words don't mean anything. What matters is your attitude more than what you say. Certain abusive hospital and medical staff will pounce on the least sign of weakness so being strong and preparing yourself in advance is especially important. All we have ever said the very few times we've had to face this situation for broken bones was - I am a conscientious objector to vaccination - right in their face. It shut them up and they never said boo about it. Not because of what we said but how we said it. Take care, meryl From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:25 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: ER visits I have found these words work perfectly: " My son/daughter has everything that she needs. " As far as the ER doctors/nurses know, your kids are up to date. But what that means to YOU is that your child has everything she or he needs, which is nothing. That phrase doesn't create confusion, frustration, nor controversy. You're telling the truth and they can interpret however they want. Just my two cents....and when we had to go to the ER with our daughter, those words were perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 You're right there Meryl. In ER rooms they are usually pretty busy so when they've become insistent, I've suggested we go through the ingredients so that I can " learn " which ones will be supportive of my child's recovery. It's never happened yet. They haven't got the time nor inclination, and [especially] nor the knowledge. It's only ever been tetanus, they have never bothered me about all the other jabs. It seems that lumbar punctures, tetanus jabs, x-rays & antibiotics are the standard treatments to cover their own backs! Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign! Re: ER visits I have found these words work perfectly: " My son/daughter has everything that she needs. " As far as the ER doctors/nurses know, your kids are up to date. But what that means to YOU is that your child has everything she or he needs, which is nothing. That phrase doesn't create confusion, frustration, nor controversy. You're telling the truth and they can interpret however they want. Just my two cents....and when we had to go to the ER with our daughter, those words were perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I have two boys, ages 8 and 5, we have been to the ER too many times to count! Every time we have gone, I am asked if they are up to date with their immunizations and I always answer " yes " . They are up to date as far as I am concerned and the only health care professional who needs to be informed of that is our regular doctor and the two that we see are supportive of our decision to not vaccinate. This topic has come up in the past and many opinions are offered, you just need to do what you are comfortable with. I know that personally, if my children are hurt/sick enough to warrant an ER visit, I don't want to have to deal with a self righteous doctor or nurse who have put themselves up on pedestals. My doctor has said that she even tells her non vaccinating parents to say that they are up to date, she said that it would not change how they are treated. Sara ---- cindylouwho_79 <cindylouwho_79@...> wrote: > Does anyone have any good advice on handling ER doctors and nurses? > I'm more comfortable around my pediatrician, but I understand ER > doctors can be very pushy. > > I had spoken to another lady concerning ER docs, and she informed me > that she had a religious exemption in place well before her children > started school. She carried her religious exemption around with her > just in case she ever had to make an ER visit. I know some people are > never asked their child's vax status at the ER, but I'm not sure how > to handle confrontational situations, especially under so much > pressure. > > My dd is seven months, so when is the right time to have an exemption > on file? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I simply state that we have chosen not to vaccinate. Only once have I encountered an " issue " with it from an ER doc...funny, but true story... my ds was almost a year when he pulled his sisters plastic dollhouse down from a shelf onto his head and it cut him just above his eye. it looked like it may need some stitches or a butterfly bandage, so we went to the ER. turns out it didn't, but the doc was WAY more concerned with the fact that he hadn't had his tetanus shot. you know...because the " dust on the toy could pose a risk to tetanus " (quote from the doc)...What??? dust??? my gosh, my house must be riddled with tetanus then!! lol i politely told him that i didn't think it was a concern and he continued to question why we wanted to take the risk. I, again, politely told him that we have made a very educated, informed choice to not vaccinate and he wouldn't change my mind. End of discussion. But I was ready to have my " I already have one vaccine damaged child on the autism spectrum " argument. But can you believe the scare tactics? Guess what? my son turned out to be fine! (are you surprised?) a **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I tell them we don't do vaccines. I'm concerned about what they might do if for some reason I couldn't be there every second--it can happen when you're dragging along other children with you. I don't want them assuming I wanted them to give a shot of whatever so I am upfront and clear on where I stand. They also need to hear that not all parents vax. The more they hear it, the more we pave the way for others--and the more it might get them thinking. I'm at the point where if they didn't ask me, I would be likely to offer it up just to make conversation. Winnie Re: ER visits Vaccinations Cc: cindylouwho_79 > I have two boys, ages 8 and 5, we have been to the ER too many > times to count! Every time we have gone, I am asked if they are > up to date with their immunizations and I always answer " yes " . > They are up to date as far as I am concerned and the only health > care professional who needs to be informed of that is our > regular doctor and the two that we see are supportive of our > decision to not vaccinate. > > This topic has come up in the past and many opinions are > offered, you just need to do what you are comfortable with. I > know that personally, if my children are hurt/sick enough to > warrant an ER visit, I don't want to have to deal with a self > righteous doctor or nurse who have put themselves up on > pedestals. > > My doctor has said that she even tells her non vaccinating > parents to say that they are up to date, she said that it would > not change how they are treated. > > Sara > > > ---- cindylouwho_79 wrote: > > Does anyone have any good advice on handling ER doctors and > nurses? > > I'm more comfortable around my pediatrician, but I understand > ER > > doctors can be very pushy. > > > > I had spoken to another lady concerning ER docs, and she > informed me > > that she had a religious exemption in place well before her > children > > started school. She carried her religious exemption around > with her > > just in case she ever had to make an ER visit. I know some > people are > > never asked their child's vax status at the ER, but I'm not > sure how > > to handle confrontational situations, especially under so much > > pressure. > > > > My dd is seven months, so when is the right time to have an > exemption > > on file? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Meryl, I understand what you're saying. I think that if someone feels strongly enough to not vaccinate their children, they are firm in their decision. And I doubt that they will be " weak " when it comes to pushy hospital staff, especially when it comes to vaccines. I don't want to encourage a debate in a hospital room with staff and/or doctors - my goal, if I'm there, is to make sure my child gets taken care of. The few experiences I had in the past where I instead used similar phrasing as you " objections to vaccinations " or something along those lines, always raised eyebrows and/or questions. For ME, the phrase we use works better. I guess, to each their own. Thanks, > > With all due respect, the words don't mean anything. What matters is > your attitude more than what you say. Certain abusive hospital and > medical staff will pounce on the least sign of weakness so being strong > and preparing yourself in advance is especially important. All we have > ever said the very few times we've had to face this situation for broken > bones was - I am a conscientious objector to vaccination - right in > their face. It shut them up and they never said boo about it. Not > because of what we said but how we said it. > > Take care, > meryl > > From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] > On Behalf Of > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:25 AM > Vaccinations > Subject: Re: ER visits > > I have found these words work perfectly: " My son/daughter has > everything that she needs. " > > As far as the ER doctors/nurses know, your kids are up to date. But > what that means to YOU is that your child has everything she or he > needs, which is nothing. > > That phrase doesn't create confusion, frustration, nor controversy. > You're telling the truth and they can interpret however they want. > > Just my two cents....and when we had to go to the ER with our daughter, > those words were perfect. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I like this response. Thanks Meryl. From: Meryl Dorey <meryl@...> Subject: RE: Re: ER visits Vaccinations Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:40 PM With all due respect, the words don't mean anything. What matters is your attitude more than what you say. Certain abusive hospital and medical staff will pounce on the least sign of weakness so being strong and preparing yourself in advance is especially important. All we have ever said the very few times we've had to face this situation for broken bones was - I am a conscientious objector to vaccination - right in their face. It shut them up and they never said boo about it. Not because of what we said but how we said it. Take care, meryl From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:25 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: ER visits I have found these words work perfectly: " My son/daughter has everything that she needs. " As far as the ER doctors/nurses know, your kids are up to date. But what that means to YOU is that your child has everything she or he needs, which is nothing. That phrase doesn't create confusion, frustration, nor controversy. You're telling the truth and they can interpret however they want. Just my two cents....and when we had to go to the ER with our daughter, those words were perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 > > I tell them we don't do vaccines. I'm concerned about what they might do if for some reason I couldn't be there every second--it can happen when you're dragging along other children with you. I don't want them assuming I wanted them to give a shot of whatever so I am upfront and clear on where I stand. > > They also need to hear that not all parents vax. The more they hear it, the more we pave the way for others--and the more it might get them thinking. I'm at the point where if they didn't ask me, I would be likely to offer it up just to make conversation. > > Winnie > > Winnie, i completely agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 me too jim Re: ER visits > > I tell them we don't do vaccines. I'm concerned about what they might do if for some reason I couldn't be there every second--it can happen when you're dragging along other children with you. I don't want them assuming I wanted them to give a shot of whatever so I am upfront and clear on where I stand. > > They also need to hear that not all parents vax. The more they hear it, the more we pave the way for others--and the more it might get them thinking. I'm at the point where if they didn't ask me, I would be likely to offer it up just to make conversation. > > Winnie > > Winnie, i completely agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Sometimes I think my husband has accidents just for the sheer pleasure of refusing tetanus jabs, painkillers, anti-inflams and antibiotics! He LOVES educating doctors. If my grandson ever has to go to an ER, we've delegated the responsibility to Grandad, because he's so darned good at it. Making up for lost time I think, as he was at sea for much of his own boys' childhoods. Maracuja Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign! Re: ER visits > > I tell them we don't do vaccines. I'm concerned about what they might do if for some reason I couldn't be there every second--it can happen when you're dragging along other children with you. I don't want them assuming I wanted them to give a shot of whatever so I am upfront and clear on where I stand. > > They also need to hear that not all parents vax. The more they hear it, the more we pave the way for others--and the more it might get them thinking. I'm at the point where if they didn't ask me, I would be likely to offer it up just to make conversation. > > Winnie > > Winnie, i completely agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Thanks, Katarina. We all have to keep plugging away however we can. Winnie Re: ER visits Vaccinations > > > > > I tell them we don't do vaccines. I'm concerned about what > they might > do if for some reason I couldn't be there every second--it can > happen > when you're dragging along other children with you. I don't want > them > assuming I wanted them to give a shot of whatever so I am > upfront and > clear on where I stand. > > > > They also need to hear that not all parents vax. The more they > hear > it, the more we pave the way for others--and the more it might > get them > thinking. I'm at the point where if they didn't ask me, I would > be > likely to offer it up just to make conversation. > > > > Winnie > > > > Winnie, i completely agree! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Jordon and I have just spent that last 2 nights at the ER. He has been VERY VERY confused, and we are VERY WORRIED about him, he went wandering in school, and didn't know where he had been, so they are also very worried about Jordon like we are. He has been very confused since. Yesterday's visit to the ER all they did was take blood and urine labs and didn't listen to me when I told them that Jordon's pediatrician wanted CT, MRI, Lumbar puncture, and EEG done. So today we were up to the ER again, with An actual note this time from the pediatrician. We got the CT and the lumbar puncture done, but not the MRI or EEG yet. His pediatrician is trying to rule out something else causing his confusion, other than his Enbrel shots. I'm very tired atm so not sure I remember the wording but the Enbrel shot has in a few ppl caused MS. Very rare I'm told. Which these are the signs Jordon is having. So we will not be giving him any more Enbrel, in case it is that, causing Jordon's symptoms. The 2 tests we had tonight were negative so we just need to do the MRI, and EEG and if those are negative then it is the Enbrel I will give an update on Jordon after we see his Neurologist and have those 2 tests done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Sending prayers your way. What a terribly scary thing to be going through. Hoping the symptoms stop immediately.. -Hadley > > Jordon and I have just spent that last 2 nights at the ER. He has been VERY VERY confused, and we are VERY WORRIED about him, > he went wandering in school, and didn't know where he had been, so they are also very worried about Jordon like we are. > He has been very confused since. > > Yesterday's visit to the ER all they did was take blood and urine labs and didn't listen to me when I told them that Jordon's pediatrician wanted CT, MRI, Lumbar puncture, and EEG done. So today we were up to the ER again, with An actual note this time from the pediatrician. We got the CT and the lumbar puncture done, but not the MRI or EEG yet. His pediatrician is trying to rule out something else causing his confusion, other than his Enbrel shots. > > I'm very tired atm so not sure I remember the wording but the Enbrel shot has in a few ppl caused MS. Very rare I'm told. Which these are the signs Jordon is having. > So we will not be giving him any more Enbrel, in case it is that, causing Jordon's symptoms. The 2 tests we had tonight were negative so we just need to do the MRI, and EEG and if those are negative then it is the Enbrel > > I will give an update on Jordon after we see his Neurologist and have those 2 tests done. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 , Know that we are thinking about you and praying for you. I pray that the doctors will find out soon what the problem is and that it is a qiuck fix.? If it is the enebrel the I pray that the symptoms will go away quickly and that you will find the right drug to help him with arthur.? Veri & Jaye 15 poly ER Visits Jordon and I have just spent that last 2 nights at the ER. He has been VERY VERY confused, and we are VERY WORRIED about him, he went wandering in school, and didn't know where he had been, so they are also very worried about Jordon like we are. He has been very confused since. Yesterday's visit to the ER all they did was take blood and urine labs and didn't listen to me when I told them that Jordon's pediatrician wanted CT, MRI, Lumbar puncture, and EEG done. So today we were up to the ER again, with An actual note this time from the pediatrician. We got the CT and the lumbar puncture done, but not the MRI or EEG yet. His pediatrician is trying to rule out something else causing his confusion, other than his Enbrel shots. I'm very tired atm so not sure I remember the wording but the Enbrel shot has in a few ppl caused MS. Very rare I'm told. Which these are the signs Jordon is having. So we will not be giving him any more Enbrel, in case it is that, causing Jordon's symptoms. The 2 tests we had tonight were negative so we just need to do the MRI, and EEG and if those are negative then it is the Enbrel I will give an update on Jordon after we see his Neurologist and have those 2 tests done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 you have to do what you are comfortable with I would say they are up to date because they are - that is not a lie if you are in the ER you are already under stress and you don't need more Sheri At 05:02 PM 8/13/2009, you wrote: >So in the case that my child ever needs to go to the hospital and >they ask if he's up to date on vaccines what do I say? Do I lie and >say yes and leave it at that. I figured if something comes up later >and they said I said Yes that I'd jsut say " YEs, he's up to date >according to our beliefs " . Or do I say " No, we're exempt " or what?? >I just didn't want to get into a stupid vaccine issue if we're in a >hospital because obviously if we ever end up in the hospital it will >be for a very serious reason! > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Keep it Short and Sweet --- Thank you for asking, he/she/they are up to date with everything they need to be. THE END =============================== > > So in the case that my child ever needs to go to the hospital and they ask if he's up to date on vaccines what do I say? Do I lie and say yes and leave it at that. I figured if something comes up later and they said I said Yes that I'd jsut say " YEs, he's up to date according to our beliefs " . Or do I say " No, we're exempt " or what?? I just didn't want to get into a stupid vaccine issue if we're in a hospital because obviously if we ever end up in the hospital it will be for a very serious reason! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 We were just in this same situation a few months ago... We have not given our 14 month old any vaccinations and made a trip to the ER at 11 months old because he had a very high fever, was shaking and breathing very labored. It was quite scary. The ER asked if he was up to date on his vaccines. We told them we were " delaying " vaccines. In the end, the ER doc ended up giving us a small lecture and printouts off the internet about vaccines. It was very informative! Note the sarcasm. It cost us over $200 after I threw a fit with the billing dept at the hospital, which ended up saving us over $300. I learned that our hospital was basically going to make us pay full price because of our high deductible insurance plan. They didn't tell us that they had an " in house " payment reduction plan based on your income. I think they diagnosed him with pneumonia, but it was really substantiated. I think you just have to believe what you believe, speak your mind and take what they say in response with a grain of salt. They can't make you do anything. I still haven't changed my minds no matter what info they give me off the internet. Hope this helps. Krista > > So in the case that my child ever needs to go to the hospital and they ask if he's up to date on vaccines what do I say? Do I lie and say yes and leave it at that. I figured if something comes up later and they said I said Yes that I'd jsut say " YEs, he's up to date according to our beliefs " . Or do I say " No, we're exempt " or what?? I just didn't want to get into a stupid vaccine issue if we're in a hospital because obviously if we ever end up in the hospital it will be for a very serious reason! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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