Re: B12 Question

[Guest guest]

From what I have been told, you cannot overdose on B12--your body just

eliminates what it doesn't need through your urine. Cutler, PhD, who

wrote the book " Amalgam Illness " (he has a PhD in chemistry) told me in a

communication that you could take as many as 80 sublinguals a day, in order

to get the same effect as taking a shot of B12.

So, yes, you can do that.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <rave456201@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:53 PM

Subject: B12 Question

> Patty,

> I wonder if you could tell me how much B12 one can take safely.

> I take 2 dots (sublingual) in the morning and wonder if I could do

> that throughout the day.

> Thanks in adavance.

> nne~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi e,

When this physician gets back to you regarding these issues, would you please ask about taking the B12, plus most other B's, by IV therapy? I had antioxidant IV therapy for over 2 1/2 years (gradually tapering off) until I could tolerate enough vitamin C and a couple of others orally. This IV therapy felt like someone was 'pushing my energy level uphill' -- and I've continued to do well, other than the set-backs I have had from numerous falls & 5 additional surgeries since explantation. All 5 surgeries were to remove 'silicone blobs', one of which was an embolism, from my body.

I only got the B vitamin IVs about one, in 4 IVs. I never added the chelating agent to the IVs, when my internist explained how that would require additional kidney function monitoring.

I still have to go back and get a "jump-start" IV occasionally, yet this therapy made a huge difference in my health, especially when I had my first significant set-backs after explantation.

Look forward to hearing from you. Please continue to look forward to Seattle -- it gets really cool there when the sun goes down, even on the hottest of days.

Blessings,

Martha M.

NSIF

----- Original Message -----

From: eRene@...

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 10:29 PM

Subject: Re: B12 Question

Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12 injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and he was very adamant about that. His reason was that administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it, then there is no reason you need it. He is currently looking up journal articles to support his statements.In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can cause death. Because of their lethality, they were stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.This is a physician who is Board Certified in Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both specialties at the University of Colorado Med School. He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he has treated many women with implants, both saline and silicone. He has written articles which have been published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as well as medical journals.He is going to get back to me this wk about references for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide those references to you all.e

[Guest guest]

Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

looking up journal articles to support his statements.

In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

This is a physician who is Board Certified in

Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

has treated many women with implants, both saline and

silicone. He has written articles which have been

published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

well as medical journals.

He is going to get back to me this wk about references

for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

those references to you all.

e

[Guest guest]

With all due respect to your rheumatologist, e, there is no way in

hell that what I experienced with my B12 injections a few weeks ago was a

placebo affect. It made a tremendous difference in the way I felt, and I

know that many, many, many people would say the same thing based on their

experiences.

Sometimes you just have to go outside the box.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <eRene@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:29 PM

Subject: Re: B12 Question

> Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> looking up journal articles to support his statements.

>

> In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

>

> This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> silicone. He has written articles which have been

> published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> well as medical journals.

>

> He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> those references to you all.

>

> e

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Kolb,

You are a Board Certified Holistic Doctor.

What is your opinion on the B12, especially as it relates to those who are

following a diet that is optimal for silicone treatment (with the aversion

to animal products?)

I would love to hear your opinion on the magnesium issue as well.

Thanks, !

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <eRene@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:29 PM

Subject: Re: B12 Question

> Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> looking up journal articles to support his statements.

>

> In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

>

> This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> silicone. He has written articles which have been

> published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> well as medical journals.

>

> He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> those references to you all.

>

> e

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

e I found the exact same response from my highly regarded well

educated rhuematologist in California. He said that B12 injections

are usually not something that is needed. I think allot of

naturopathic Dr's are making money off of sick people with allot of

these natural treatments. I don't always agree with Dr's either, but

I have seen it time and time again that these so called naturopathic

people are just as bad as the regualar Dr's and in the end most of

the treatments they recomend are costly and don't work.

I am curious about the B12 sublinguals, I have been taking them but I

am just not so sure they are worth it either, my favorite supplements

are the endadalert and my MSM and malic acids, I also just ordered

some more off of the immunesupport site. Supposedly the profits help

fund research for FMS and CFS which I think is fantastic. If it is

true.

I stopped my MG supplement and ya know what my light headeness is

gone. Coincidence? I do not know, but I am so burned out on

swallowing so many supplements that I put that one aside for now. I

will take the ones I know for sure really help.

The one thing I think we could all agree upon here is that while

vitamins and supplements and eating healthy are all great things we

should all do, as well as getting enough rest, fresh air etc....in

the end, if there was a cure, or quick fix that really existed for

any of these ailments, no one would need Dr's, no one would be ill

and everyone would be healthy and cured.

It is really obvious that there is no one perfect vitamin or

supplement that will fix everything. If there was everyone would be

taking it right?

Ok I have spoken my two cents

@y..., eRene@a... wrote:

> Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> looking up journal articles to support his statements.

>

> In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

>

> This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> silicone. He has written articles which have been

> published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> well as medical journals.

>

> He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> those references to you all.

>

> e

[Guest guest]

> It is really obvious that there is no one perfect vitamin or

> supplement that will fix everything. If there was everyone would be

> taking it right?

This is absolutely true.

Everyone is different. Everyone has different needs, biologically. The

whole purpose of this group is to be able to share what we have done to help

us feel better, because nobody out there truly knows the secret to our

healing.

There is no consensus on

WHY we are sick, WHAT silicone has done to our bodies, or HOW to heal us.

This is an area of medical science that has been sorely neglected, and there

are only a very few doctors in this country who truly know what they are

talking about.

They are the doctors who have been involved in this from the

beginning, have believed that silicone implants cause disease, and take the

time to stay up to date on what is going on with silicone in the world of

medicine. Dr. Kolb is one of those doctors, because she herself has been

through what we have, and is committed to finding the answers. That is why

she developed her protocol. She has also become a Board Certified Holistic

Physician, using natural therapies for healing. I respect her very much.

I lost trust in medical doctors because of huge amount of wrong information

I was told. I found that even though they had MD's behind their names, it

didn't mean that what they said was true. M D does not mean " Medical

Diety " , much to the dismay of those who would like you to believe so. Their

biggest failing is in the subject area of nutrition, and maintaining or

rebuilding cellular health with foods.

And that is why alternative medicine is becoming a HUGE industry today.

What worked in natural medicine for hundreds of years before the advent of

pharmaceutical drugs works just as well in the human body today, without

nasty side effects. I'll take natural medicine over allopathic medicine ANY

DAY.

Keep in mind that many studies being conducted in recent years have money

behind them to produce a desired outcome for those with vested interests.

Pharmaceutical companies have an agenda to sell as much of their drugs as

they can, and they will gladly pay for those studies that do their

" advertising " . That is not true of natural supplements, because you can't

patent those.

The pharmaceutical industry would also like to see nothing more than the

whole vitamin industry bite the dust, and come under the control of

" prescriptions. "

My efforts at healing have come about through natural medicine, without the

use of pharmaceutical drugs. I have no " cut and dried " ideas for healing,

other than to stress the importance of detoxifying the body, and rebuilding

health with natural therapies. I urge all of you to try things that you

feel will help you, and to share those experiences. What may help one may

help someone else, but then again, it may not. Only you can know for sure.

Just give it a fair trial.

Especially with supplements that are non-toxic. I truly don't understand

this idea

that " it is not necessary, it is all a placebo effect, the warnings, blah,

blah, blah. " Really, how can you or your doctor know, unless you give it a

try and see for yourself? You may just be missing your chance to feel

better! You really have nothing to lose. Any warnings you need will be

found in any book on vitamin supplements. I am very grateful for the

freedom we have in this country to buy supplements.

Every one has to make up their own mind about how they want to go about

healing. Just don't be so cautious that you miss your chance to feel better

because someone is saying something to the contrary.

For me, it is all natural, all the way. I have healed, it hasn't cost me an

arm and a leg, I have kept my medical records clean, I haven't abused my

body with drugs, and I have learned much to benefit my whole family along

the way. We, my whole family and I, are ALL healthier as a result. I am

devoted to natural medicine for the rest of my life.

You may choose to go to traditional doctors, and that is fine with me. You

may have positive experiences with pharmaceutical drugs. That is fine with

me. I want all to be able to share their experiences in feeling better on

this group.

However, anyone who comes here to say that natural therapies don't work, or

to take a stand that is only supported by allopathic medicine and ignores

the huge body of evidence that exists for those who have been cured with

natural therapies, you will get a big argument from me.

God bless.

Patty

[Guest guest]

The protocol recommends either B12 injections or sublingual B12 as many

patients do not have the ability to absorb B12. As far as magnesium

supplementation goes we find that 97% of fibromyalgia patients have Mg

deficiency. I would suggest that silicone toxic patients try the protocol

before making judgments on what works and what doesn't and why. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty <faussettdp@...>

< >

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:24 AM

Subject: Re: B12 Question

> Dr. Kolb,

> You are a Board Certified Holistic Doctor.

> What is your opinion on the B12, especially as it relates to those who are

> following a diet that is optimal for silicone treatment (with the

aversion

> to animal products?)

>

> I would love to hear your opinion on the magnesium issue as well.

> Thanks, !

> Patty

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <eRene@...>

> < >

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:29 PM

> Subject: Re: B12 Question

>

>

> > Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> > injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> > prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> > he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> > administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> > early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> > effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> > therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> > absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> > that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> > then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> > looking up journal articles to support his statements.

> >

> > In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> > longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> > cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> > stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> > indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> > very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> > if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> > and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

> >

> > This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> > Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> > specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> > He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> > has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> > silicone. He has written articles which have been

> > published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> > well as medical journals.

> >

> > He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> > for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> > those references to you all.

> >

> > e

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What would be the best way to know if you are deficient in magnesium

and should you be tested for a deficiency before asuming that you are

and taking the magnesium, will it matter if you are not deficient and

you take it?

Also how does one know whether they are able to absorb the B12 or not

and wheather or not they should supplement it with shots or SL tabs.

Thanks

In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> The protocol recommends either B12 injections or sublingual B12 as

many

> patients do not have the ability to absorb B12. As far as magnesium

> supplementation goes we find that 97% of fibromyalgia patients have

Mg

> deficiency. I would suggest that silicone toxic patients try the

protocol

> before making judgments on what works and what doesn't and why.

.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Patty <faussettdp@m...>

> < @y...>

> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:24 AM

> Subject: Re: B12 Question

>

>

> > Dr. Kolb,

> > You are a Board Certified Holistic Doctor.

> > What is your opinion on the B12, especially as it relates to

those who are

> > following a diet that is optimal for silicone treatment (with the

> aversion

> > to animal products?)

> >

> > I would love to hear your opinion on the magnesium issue as well.

> > Thanks, !

> > Patty

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <eRene@a...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:29 PM

> > Subject: Re: B12 Question

> >

> >

> > > Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> > > injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> > > prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> > > he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> > > administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> > > early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> > > effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> > > therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> > > absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> > > that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> > > then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> > > looking up journal articles to support his statements.

> > >

> > > In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> > > longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> > > cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> > > stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> > > indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> > > very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> > > if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> > > and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

> > >

> > > This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> > > Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> > > specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> > > He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> > > has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> > > silicone. He has written articles which have been

> > > published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> > > well as medical journals.

> > >

> > > He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> > > for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> > > those references to you all.

> > >

> > > e

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Patty--

I need to let you know that I went to the University of

Colorado Med School Library yesterday and did some

research on Mg and B12. I will be posting the results

of what I found on Mg later.

However, I found very little to support what my rheumy

said about B12 having a placebo effect. In fact, I

couldn't find anything. What I did find was that it has

been shown to increase energy and improve memory. I did

find an article that said that B12 is not necessary

unless you have a deficiency, but it didn't elaborate on

why you shouldn't take B12 if you're not deficient.

So, I called my rheumy to ask him to direct me to other

resources which could support what he said. He couldn't

provide me with any, so I drew my own conclusions.

Since you can't get toxic doses of B12 (at least not

that I know of), I don't see why people can't receive

the shots, esp if it helps with brain fog and energy.

I'd like to try the B12 injections, but obviously I

won't be getting the rx from my rheumy. I'm going to

call Dr. Huang and see what she says and if she would

write me a script for it.

So, I have to agree with everyone on here who has tried

B12 and has had good results. I really want to try it

too. I don't have the brain fog, but I definately have

very little energy and could use a " boost. "

e

> With all due respect to your rheumatologist, e, there is no way in

> hell that what I experienced with my B12 injections a few weeks ago was a

> placebo affect. It made a tremendous difference in the way I felt, and I

> know that many, many, many people would say the same thing based on their

> experiences.

>

> Sometimes you just have to go outside the box.

>

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <eRene@...>

> < >

> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:29 PM

> Subject: Re: B12 Question

>

>

> > Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> > injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> > prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> > he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> > administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> > early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> > effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> > therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> > absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> > that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> > then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> > looking up journal articles to support his statements.

> >

> > In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> > longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> > cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> > stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> > indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> > very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> > if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> > and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

> >

> > This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> > Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> > specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> > He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> > has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> > silicone. He has written articles which have been

> > published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> > well as medical journals.

> >

> > He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> > for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> > those references to you all.

> >

> > e

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have taken magnesium supplements as well as calcium (together in one pill

as well as singlely) and have never noticed any negative side effects

whatsoever. What I did find was that at a certain point in time, I felt

that I had had enough calcium (it was a liquid supplement) and I knew it by

the fact that the thought of the supplement made me nauseous. I do believe

it is beneficial to listen to your body!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <cjheer@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: B12 Question

> What would be the best way to know if you are deficient in magnesium

> and should you be tested for a deficiency before asuming that you are

> and taking the magnesium, will it matter if you are not deficient and

> you take it?

>

> Also how does one know whether they are able to absorb the B12 or not

> and wheather or not they should supplement it with shots or SL tabs.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > The protocol recommends either B12 injections or sublingual B12 as

> many

> > patients do not have the ability to absorb B12. As far as magnesium

> > supplementation goes we find that 97% of fibromyalgia patients have

> Mg

> > deficiency. I would suggest that silicone toxic patients try the

> protocol

> > before making judgments on what works and what doesn't and why.

> .

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Patty <faussettdp@m...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:24 AM

> > Subject: Re: B12 Question

> >

> >

> > > Dr. Kolb,

> > > You are a Board Certified Holistic Doctor.

> > > What is your opinion on the B12, especially as it relates to

> those who are

> > > following a diet that is optimal for silicone treatment (with the

> > aversion

> > > to animal products?)

> > >

> > > I would love to hear your opinion on the magnesium issue as well.

> > > Thanks, !

> > > Patty

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: <eRene@a...>

> > > < @y...>

> > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:29 PM

> > > Subject: Re: B12 Question

> > >

> > >

> > > > Because of all the good stuff I've heard about B12

> > > > injections, I decided to ask my rheumy if he could

> > > > prescribe them for me. His immediate answer was no, and

> > > > he was very adamant about that. His reason was that

> > > > administering B12 injections was popular in the 80's and

> > > > early 90's, but that studies soon showed that the

> > > > effects of B12 were placebo effects, and that it had no

> > > > therapeutic effects other than in those who couldn't

> > > > absorb it, i.e., gastric surgery pts. Again, he felt

> > > > that if you are not deficient in it, or can absorb it,

> > > > then there is no reason you need it. He is currently

> > > > looking up journal articles to support his statements.

> > > >

> > > > In regards to Mg, he said that Mg challenges are no

> > > > longer done as they are extremely dangerous and can

> > > > cause death. Because of their lethality, they were

> > > > stopped in the 80's. Doctors now use serum Mg levels as

> > > > indicators of Mg levels, and they are considered to be

> > > > very accurate. He disagreed with supplementing with Mg

> > > > if your serum levels are WNL, as you can cause toxicity

> > > > and it can be difficult to reverse the toxic effects.

> > > >

> > > > This is a physician who is Board Certified in

> > > > Rheumatology and Internal Medicine, and who teaches both

> > > > specialties at the University of Colorado Med School.

> > > > He is very well respected locally and worldwide, and he

> > > > has treated many women with implants, both saline and

> > > > silicone. He has written articles which have been

> > > > published in Cosmo, Glamour, and Allure magazines, as

> > > > well as medical journals.

> > > >

> > > > He is going to get back to me this wk about references

> > > > for B12 and for Mg. As soon as he does, I will provide

> > > > those references to you all.

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Marla,

I some questions and hope you can answer....

1.Did your doc measure folic acid levels as well?

2.Can you give me an example of your meal plan for one day?

3.How do you feel ...physically, emotionally, etc.... now that

your B12 levels are up?

Thanks in Advance

-Vee

> Hey All:

>

> I just got my B12 results back, and it appears that I've now

managed

> to get *more* B12 than what's considered the normal range after

being

> B12 deficient. (I'm at 1050 while normal is supposedly between 211-

> 911). I'm not supplementing anymore. (Haven't been for the past

> year or more, just eating good 'ole meats and organs.) My question

> is, is there some negative effects of getting too much B12? And,

> since I'm just eating foods without any supplements, do you think I

> need to somehow cut down on my B12 intake? Less meat? Ack! Say

it

> isn't so. . .

>

> TIA,

>

> Marla