Re: I will not be posting here anymore

August 1, 2001

,

I have come to love you and care for you much during the last years of your

life that we have shared. I have been with you through this from the time

you questioned your implants, to the denial you were in, through your

absence on our group, and through your return, acceptance of your need for

implant removal, and the explant surgery last year in December. You have

been through much, I know, and I am thankful that you have allowed me to be

a part of your life through this.

I am really sorry to see your recent posts, and especially this last one in

which you desire to leave, but this is your decision and I have to respect

it. I certainly only wish you the best and the best opportunity for healing

that you can find.

You have been emotional, and I am not faulting you for it, but you are still

carrying so much anger, especially towards Dr. Kolb, and I hope that you can

resolve this anger and make peace with some of these feelings. Anger is a

very unhealthy emotion.

I remember a time when you thought that banning implants wasn't a good

idea--that it would never happen. You have come a long way in your

thinking.

I would have much rather seen this dialogue occur privately between you and

Dr. Kolb, rather than on the group. These kind of posts are very

destructive, and that is why I have made my #1 RULE here.....NO PERSONAL

ATTACKS ALLOWED on this support group. Each and every member here has been

through so much. This is to be a haven, where each can feel safe and not

threatened by harsh judgements. Yes, we are free to express opinions and

have differences of opinions. I truly value the expressions of opinion that

occur here. But this must be done in a mature way. Maturity means not

being defensive OR offensive.

So many other support groups have disappeared, bitten the dust and faded

away into nothing because of the struggles that occur within the group.

This is such a sad situation, and you can bet the manufacturer's are

laughing with glee when it happens. They want nothing more than for there to

be major group infighting that saps all the strength we have tearing each

other apart. This is not the way it is supposed to be, and we need to

recognize and be aware of this major destructive element.

From my perspective, I can identify with how Dr. Kolb has handled her

illness and insurance situations. I am not saying this is how everyone else

should do it, as we all need to make our own decisions about how much

testing we should get and how we handle our treatment. Alot of it depends

on your employment situation, and perhaps if you look at it this way, you

can better understand it. It is all a matter of being insurable.

For those who have employers who offer group insurance coverage, there will

not be any major problems, as I understand it. You have a certain period of

time to join the plan, and there is basically no penalties for individuals

with health histories that may be problematic. At least not to you

individually. Everyone pays the same rate. Martha, is this correct?

, this was probably your situation.

However, for those who buy individual coverage, such as my family, the

insurance issue was a huge one. It was imperative in the early stages of

our business growth that there be no records that may indicate a serious

health problem. My timing couldn't have been worse. God was watching over

me so carefully, however, that He mercifully got my explant covered under my

old insurance, only months before my husband was ready to quit his job and

open the new business. I was afraid that the whole thing would destroy our

chances for adequate health care coverage, but after my initial experiences

with a rheumatologist, it was clear that he had no intention of treating me

at all. He told me,

" you're all better, you don't need to see my anymore! " This was with an

elevated rheumatoid factor and lowered C3 complement, and abnormal brain

MRI. I decided then that he was right....I would never see an MD again. And

I didn't.

This has boded well for me and our insurance coverage. I have no record of

serious illness, at least no diagnosis. And think about this, , what

kind of treatment would I have gotten anyway? None that I would have agreed

to. I would not take Rx drugs. There was nothing to offer me, so what good

would have more dr. visits and testing done? Autoimmune diseases have a

general similarity in symptoms, and from an alternative perspective, a

similar path of treatment. So, in the end, it really makes no difference

what the tests show, as the treatment options would all be pretty much the

same anyway, for those who eschew pharmaceuticals. (There are many of us.)

I am sure Dr. Kolb understands these illnesses enough to choose her

treatments, for herself. This is a private matter for her and not the

business of others. Granted, it would be nice to know that she has been

thoroughly tested and knew what kind of abnormal results were occurring, if

they were occurring at all, but I can see where this had no advantage, from

a business perspective. I was almost in the same situation as she was. And

apparently, she knows what she is doing as she has healed well without

drugs. From an alternative perspective, there is so much you can do without

having to have all the tests, nice as they are.

Again, , I will miss you and I am sorry to see you go. You are

welcome to stay or come back when you wish, you are welcome to write me

privately, but most of all, I hope that you come to a place of peace about

this issue and remain fully involved in it.

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <cjheer@...>

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:27 AM

Subject: I will not be posting here anymore

> I have really come tolove this group with all the many sick women in

> need of support and help here but lately I am finding it making me

> ill that Dr Kolb is basically underminig all of our illnesses by her

> statements. I feel that this site was intended as it says above, for

> anyone who has experienced problems from implants and is looking for

> ways to help eachother. Dr Kolb comes on here and gives us her bried

> know it all posts and then just puts anyone down who challenges her.

> She acts very superior to us, and when I stated that yes I am

> emotional she acts as though this is bad and that I should just

> release this. This is easy for someone who still has implants and is

> still making millions to be sure off of the implanting and explanting

> of many many women.

>

> I will miss all of you, Shirl who is still so sick, Patty who is

> still healing and I know feels much the same as me about any

> implants, and all the rest of you who are anti implants. How can we

> ever be taken seriously when we are undermined by PS all the time.

>

> As long as Dr Kolb who is so knowledgable in these matters is running

> around getting lots of press coverage about her own implants and how

> she is so healthy now, the rest of us will go on being unbleieved and

> treated as emotional women with other issues.

>

> I am so sorry that I cannot come her anymore but it simply is no

> longer a health y forum for me.

>

> I belong to several support groups such as the lupus site n web MD

> where everyone is super supportive and kind and I think I will just

> stick to positive places from now one. Just know that this Dr has

> implatns and still at the same time claims they are dangerous is so

> conflicting, you either believe they are bad or you don't and

> apparently she chooses to take sides. My explanting PS was

> nothinglike that and she never ever made me feel wrong for my

> emotions or my feelings. Being explanted is a hard thing to go

> through, and until you have been there Kolb you have no right

> to put me down. You have no idea what I have been through.

>

> You win Dr. You can go on making tons of money off poor sick women

> and implanting them and making a fortune, at least some PS's out

> there have enough morals not to have implants in there bodies while

> touting the dangers at the same time.

>

> Good bye eveyone, I will miss you

>

August 1, 2001

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:27 AM