Re: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

[Guest guest]

Dear cjheer: I was not referring to you when I made the comments about

emotional responses but your last post does demonstrate my point. All that

I ask of you is that you do not misquote me on this group. I have not had

any testing which could show an autoimmune problem but I do recommend Dr.

Shanklin's silicone antibody test if my patients wish to be reimplanted with

saline if they had evidence of autoimmune disease. The problems I have seen

in patients with smooth implants are usually associated with infection.

.

----- Original Message -----

From: <cjheer@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:44 PM

Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> I am not trying to argue with you nor do I feel I am being emotional,

> so please do not treat me in such a condescending manner. I am not a

> Dr so maybe my opinions are not as respected as yours, however I am

> just trying to find out how many people have smooth and how many have

> textured implants and are sick. It seems at least from my

> communications with others that there is no safe implant and that

> women are ill from both types of implants. I am sorry if I misquoted

> you, or misunderstood you on this matter, I guess it was my

> assumption that since you implant women with smooth implants and have

> them in your own body that you must have the opinion that they are

> safe. If I was wrong about this then I apologize for that.

>

> I am curious if you had the silicone antibody blood test before you

> were reimplanted with saline implants after you had your leaking gel

> implants removed. Do you suggest that your patients get this test

> before implantation with smooth implants?

>

>

>

>

>

> In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > Please do not misquote me on this site. I did not say that I

> believe smooth

> > implants are safe. I did say that I observed that smooth implants

> were

> > safer than textured and this is the experience of many of the

> doctors taking

> > care of saline patients with problems. I am also disturbed by the

> > emotionally based comments on the site. This has happened before

> and serves

> > no purpose for the good of the group. Please have the maturity to

> discuss

> > your differences of opinion without attacking others. .

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: dc l <dclfive@y...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:08 PM

> > Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> >

> >

> > > --- cjheer@i... wrote:

> > > > I would love to know how many of us on this group

> > > > had saline textured

> > > > and how many had saline smooth, since Dr Kolb, our

> > > > expert member

> > > > seems to think that smooth implants are safe I would

> > > > like to see if

> > > > this is the consensus on this site. I happen to know

> > > > of a few women

> > > > who are even more ill than I am who had smooth

> > > > implants, so I am not

> > > > convinced that this is true. I am wondering if there

> > > > could possibly

> > > > be that much of a difference between the two types.

> > > >

> > > > I am not trying to argue I am just trying to figure

> > > > out if this is

> > > > true. I do know that Dr.Feng, who is quite an expert

> > > > on these issues

> > > > told me personally that while the smooth are safer

> > > > in her opinion she

> > > > does not feel implants are safe period and if you

> > > > see all the women

> > > > in her office you know that not one of them has

> > > > implants or would get

> > > > them. They are all tiny.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > cjheer,

> > >

> > > I had Mcgahn 325 smooth saline implants... I had my

> > > implants in about 14 months with no problems. I Loved

> > > my big beautiful breast and then the horror started.

> > > To make a very long story short...I had the implants

> > > removed and the cultures around the implant and tissue

> > > came back positive for staph. I was very very sick!

> > > The surgeon was shocked, he did not feel the implants

> > > were the source of my problems. Most of the symptoms

> > > disappeared after the implants were removed. I got all

> > > of my energy back and did not have the aches and pains

> > > as I did before. It has taken a while to get my immune

> > > system back into shape...My lymph nodes were greatly

> > > affected. I had the implants removed in December of

> > > 2000. I am left with skin attached to my chest

> > > wall(ribs) which is not very attractive but through

> > > this great big mess I have thanked God for my life and

> > > learned to love my very very small breast. Ten days

> > > after having the implants out I took the compression

> > > vest off...put on a spag. strap evening dress and

> > > attended a formal party with my husband. I got more

> > > compliments that night than ever before. I felt as

> > > though I got a second chance on life and I am very

> > > grateful for that!!!!

> > > Getting back to the subject...Smooth saline implants

> > > are not any more safe!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear cjheer: Again understand that you took my comments personally when

they were intended for others. Take a careful look at this and at your

anger which you still choose to direct towards me. I dedicate my life to

helping women who are sick from silicone disease and choose to continue to

have implants in my body so I can be a spokesperson for saline as well as

silicone patients. Watch the special on FOX and ask yourself if my comments

would be as meaningful if I did not have saline implants. I may not have

even been interviewed. Try to see the larger picture and release those

emotions that do not serve you. .

----- Original Message -----

From: <cjheer@...>

< >

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:42 AM

Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> If you are trying to demonstrate that I am emotional after 2 years of

> hell being extremely ill, having to undergo 5 hours of surgery to

> remove my implants, well yes I am pretty emotional I would not

> argue that point in the least. It was my understanding, but please do

> correct me if I am wrong, that you were sick from your gel implants,

> so I asumed that you would have taken this silicone test before

> reimplanting with saline implants. Please do share with us how you

> are now? Are all of your health problems completely resolved? If so

> you are very lucky, as I don't know too many women who had leaking

> gel implants who have faired so well. I hope that your health remains

> with you over the years with your implants, most of us on this site

> are not so lucky and have lost our beautiful full breasts and have

> not much left and this is a constant reminder of what we have been

> through and no matter how hard we try to accept ourselves this way it

> is hard and a struggle everyday of out lives, we were not fortunate

> to be able to keep our breasts and our health, so please try to

> understand why we or at least myself, might be a bit emotional and

> upset about what I have been through, I realize that anger and

> sadness are not good for my health and I try very hard to take care

> of myself and let it go, but sometimes when I take off my waterbra

> and look at my deflated breasts I feel sadness that you, with your

> still implanted breasts, may or may not be able to understand, so the

> next time you speak out to me about emotions, remember I have been

> through allot and it is not easy for me. I appreciate some compassion

> especially from someone like you who has been through what you say

> you have been through with implants, obviously you didn't want to

> have deflated empty breasts even though you were ill so you don't

> know what that feels like. Thank you for understanding

>

> I am wondering if you have ever seen a patient that was sick from

> smooth implants or not.

>

>

>

>

> In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > Dear cjheer: I was not referring to you when I made the comments

> about

> > emotional responses but your last post does demonstrate my point.

> All that

> > I ask of you is that you do not misquote me on this group. I have

> not had

> > any testing which could show an autoimmune problem but I do

> recommend Dr.

> > Shanklin's silicone antibody test if my patients wish to be

> reimplanted with

> > saline if they had evidence of autoimmune disease. The problems I

> have seen

> > in patients with smooth implants are usually associated with

> infection.

> > .

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <cjheer@i...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:44 PM

> > Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> >

> >

> > > I am not trying to argue with you nor do I feel I am being

> emotional,

> > > so please do not treat me in such a condescending manner. I am

> not a

> > > Dr so maybe my opinions are not as respected as yours, however I

> am

> > > just trying to find out how many people have smooth and how many

> have

> > > textured implants and are sick. It seems at least from my

> > > communications with others that there is no safe implant and that

> > > women are ill from both types of implants. I am sorry if I

> misquoted

> > > you, or misunderstood you on this matter, I guess it was my

> > > assumption that since you implant women with smooth implants and

> have

> > > them in your own body that you must have the opinion that they are

> > > safe. If I was wrong about this then I apologize for that.

> > >

> > > I am curious if you had the silicone antibody blood test before

> you

> > > were reimplanted with saline implants after you had your leaking

> gel

> > > implants removed. Do you suggest that your patients get this test

> > > before implantation with smooth implants?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > > > Please do not misquote me on this site. I did not say that I

> > > believe smooth

> > > > implants are safe. I did say that I observed that smooth

> implants

> > > were

> > > > safer than textured and this is the experience of many of the

> > > doctors taking

> > > > care of saline patients with problems. I am also disturbed by

> the

> > > > emotionally based comments on the site. This has happened

> before

> > > and serves

> > > > no purpose for the good of the group. Please have the maturity

> to

> > > discuss

> > > > your differences of opinion without attacking others. .

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: dc l <dclfive@y...>

> > > > < @y...>

> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:08 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To

> Everyone

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > --- cjheer@i... wrote:

> > > > > > I would love to know how many of us on this group

> > > > > > had saline textured

> > > > > > and how many had saline smooth, since Dr Kolb, our

> > > > > > expert member

> > > > > > seems to think that smooth implants are safe I would

> > > > > > like to see if

> > > > > > this is the consensus on this site. I happen to know

> > > > > > of a few women

> > > > > > who are even more ill than I am who had smooth

> > > > > > implants, so I am not

> > > > > > convinced that this is true. I am wondering if there

> > > > > > could possibly

> > > > > > be that much of a difference between the two types.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not trying to argue I am just trying to figure

> > > > > > out if this is

> > > > > > true. I do know that Dr.Feng, who is quite an expert

> > > > > > on these issues

> > > > > > told me personally that while the smooth are safer

> > > > > > in her opinion she

> > > > > > does not feel implants are safe period and if you

> > > > > > see all the women

> > > > > > in her office you know that not one of them has

> > > > > > implants or would get

> > > > > > them. They are all tiny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > cjheer,

> > > > >

> > > > > I had Mcgahn 325 smooth saline implants... I had my

> > > > > implants in about 14 months with no problems. I Loved

> > > > > my big beautiful breast and then the horror started.

> > > > > To make a very long story short...I had the implants

> > > > > removed and the cultures around the implant and tissue

> > > > > came back positive for staph. I was very very sick!

> > > > > The surgeon was shocked, he did not feel the implants

> > > > > were the source of my problems. Most of the symptoms

> > > > > disappeared after the implants were removed. I got all

> > > > > of my energy back and did not have the aches and pains

> > > > > as I did before. It has taken a while to get my immune

> > > > > system back into shape...My lymph nodes were greatly

> > > > > affected. I had the implants removed in December of

> > > > > 2000. I am left with skin attached to my chest

> > > > > wall(ribs) which is not very attractive but through

> > > > > this great big mess I have thanked God for my life and

> > > > > learned to love my very very small breast. Ten days

> > > > > after having the implants out I took the compression

> > > > > vest off...put on a spag. strap evening dress and

> > > > > attended a formal party with my husband. I got more

> > > > > compliments that night than ever before. I felt as

> > > > > though I got a second chance on life and I am very

> > > > > grateful for that!!!!

> > > > > Getting back to the subject...Smooth saline implants

> > > > > are not any more safe!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. Kolb,

Please let us know when this special will air, and what the name of it is.

I am looking forward to it!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@...>

< >

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

I dedicate my life to

> helping women who are sick from silicone disease and choose to continue to

> have implants in my body so I can be a spokesperson for saline as well as

> silicone patients. Watch the special on FOX and ask yourself if my

comments

> would be as meaningful if I did not have saline implants. I may not have

> even been interviewed.

[Guest guest]

I will let you know as soon as FOX lets me know. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty <faussettdp@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> Dr. Kolb,

> Please let us know when this special will air, and what the name of it is.

> I am looking forward to it!

> Patty

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@...>

> < >

> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:28 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

>

>

> I dedicate my life to

> > helping women who are sick from silicone disease and choose to continue

to

> > have implants in my body so I can be a spokesperson for saline as well

as

> > silicone patients. Watch the special on FOX and ask yourself if my

> comments

> > would be as meaningful if I did not have saline implants. I may not

have

> > even been interviewed.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear cjheer: How can you be sure that the way I was portrayed in the

Glamour interview had anything to do with reality? I spend over 3 hours

educating the writer about the dangers of saline implants and it should be

obvious to you that I did not write the article. The reason I believe this

happened as it did is so not to alienate the other plastic surgeons who I

will someday educate on this issue. Again, I would encourage you to release

your negative emotions and try to see the larger picture rather than

attacking me and making accusations for which you have no basis. If you

choose to believe that I am motivated by the money I can make off of these

women than why did I do so much charity surgery and open my home to several

homeless silicone women when they needed somewhere to stay other than their

car? If I were you I would be careful about sitting in judgment on people

who have been sent to help you. .

----- Original Message -----

From: <cjheer@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:11 AM

Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> Dear Dr.Kolb,

>

> Everyday I try to release these emotions that do not serve me,

> however my emotions have served me in many ways, they have kept me

> from swalowing a bottle of pills when I was still implanted and so

> sick I thought I was dying, they have kept me fighting when others

> have given up, they have kept me alive, so sometimes some forms of

> anger can be beneficial to us, wheather or not you see that is you

> own opinion. I am a fighter, even when I have pain I get up and go to

> work, even when I am feeling sick I still go to the gym and get my

> exercise in, even when I am lacking any stregnth at all I speak out

> to help others in my situation.

>

> You state that I am directing my anger at you, your wrong, it is not

> anger, it is absolute disbelief that you can sit there with implants

> in your body and understand what I or anyother women who has been

> through explant is feeling. Are you that cold hearted?

>

> Are you trying to say that by having implants you are helping us in

> our cause of banning implants? I don't see how that can be. Most of

> us have had our lives and out health destroyed by these devices and

> while you say you are an advocate for us, you still implant women and

> therefore I see that as a sign of greed. where is the oath that you

> took and first do no harm? How do you live with yourself knowing that

> you are hurting women by implanting them. I am sorry but you

> represent something very bad to me and I am not the only one who

> feels this way, I am speaking for many others who are afraid to speak

> up to you because of your mean responses to us.

>

> There are many women who feel that you are exploiting this isssue to

> your own finacial gain. You do the explants and the implants and make

> money from both ends and you can argue it anyway you choose but that

> is what it boils down too.

>

> If you want to have me thrown off the group because I am not on your

> bandwagon or because you think I am angry or whatever else you think

> about me then fine, but if I was you I would really take a look at

> the image you portray in public with your stance on this issue. I

> will watch your fox interview and see what it is all about but it

> seems to me that if it is anythinglike your glamour interview you

> where you were the pro person then it will be a waste of time. You

> claim to care about silicone women but I am just not seeing much kind

> or compassionate behavior on this site by you. Don't you see by

> having implants still in your body you are a spokeswoman for

> implants, not implant sickened women. If you were explanted you

> wpould be a spokeswoman for all of us who are ill. By still having

> htem all your saying is that they are safe, and that you are living

> proof of this.

>

> I am really happy for you that you got to keep you implants and I

> hope for your sake you stay nice and helathy and are lucky unlike the

> rest of us on this site who remain in a state of constant pain and

> struggle. I hope this makes you appreciate your good health and I

> hope as your implants age that you remain healthy. Good luck to you

>

>

>

> In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > Dear cjheer: Again understand that you took my comments personally

> when

> > they were intended for others. Take a careful look at this and at

> your

> > anger which you still choose to direct towards me. I dedicate my

> life to

> > helping women who are sick from silicone disease and choose to

> continue to

> > have implants in my body so I can be a spokesperson for saline as

> well as

> > silicone patients. Watch the special on FOX and ask yourself if my

> comments

> > would be as meaningful if I did not have saline implants. I may

> not have

> > even been interviewed. Try to see the larger picture and release

> those

> > emotions that do not serve you. .

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <cjheer@i...>

> > < @y...>

> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:42 AM

> > Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To Everyone

> >

> >

> > > If you are trying to demonstrate that I am emotional after 2

> years of

> > > hell being extremely ill, having to undergo 5 hours of surgery to

> > > remove my implants, well yes I am pretty emotional I would

> not

> > > argue that point in the least. It was my understanding, but

> please do

> > > correct me if I am wrong, that you were sick from your gel

> implants,

> > > so I asumed that you would have taken this silicone test before

> > > reimplanting with saline implants. Please do share with us how you

> > > are now? Are all of your health problems completely resolved? If

> so

> > > you are very lucky, as I don't know too many women who had leaking

> > > gel implants who have faired so well. I hope that your health

> remains

> > > with you over the years with your implants, most of us on this

> site

> > > are not so lucky and have lost our beautiful full breasts and have

> > > not much left and this is a constant reminder of what we have been

> > > through and no matter how hard we try to accept ourselves this

> way it

> > > is hard and a struggle everyday of out lives, we were not

> fortunate

> > > to be able to keep our breasts and our health, so please try to

> > > understand why we or at least myself, might be a bit emotional and

> > > upset about what I have been through, I realize that anger and

> > > sadness are not good for my health and I try very hard to take

> care

> > > of myself and let it go, but sometimes when I take off my waterbra

> > > and look at my deflated breasts I feel sadness that you, with your

> > > still implanted breasts, may or may not be able to understand, so

> the

> > > next time you speak out to me about emotions, remember I have been

> > > through allot and it is not easy for me. I appreciate some

> compassion

> > > especially from someone like you who has been through what you say

> > > you have been through with implants, obviously you didn't want to

> > > have deflated empty breasts even though you were ill so you don't

> > > know what that feels like. Thank you for understanding

> > >

> > > I am wondering if you have ever seen a patient that was sick from

> > > smooth implants or not.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > > > Dear cjheer: I was not referring to you when I made the

> comments

> > > about

> > > > emotional responses but your last post does demonstrate my

> point.

> > > All that

> > > > I ask of you is that you do not misquote me on this group. I

> have

> > > not had

> > > > any testing which could show an autoimmune problem but I do

> > > recommend Dr.

> > > > Shanklin's silicone antibody test if my patients wish to be

> > > reimplanted with

> > > > saline if they had evidence of autoimmune disease. The

> problems I

> > > have seen

> > > > in patients with smooth implants are usually associated with

> > > infection.

> > > > .

> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: <cjheer@i...>

> > > > < @y...>

> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:44 PM

> > > > Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To

> Everyone

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I am not trying to argue with you nor do I feel I am being

> > > emotional,

> > > > > so please do not treat me in such a condescending manner. I am

> > > not a

> > > > > Dr so maybe my opinions are not as respected as yours,

> however I

> > > am

> > > > > just trying to find out how many people have smooth and how

> many

> > > have

> > > > > textured implants and are sick. It seems at least from my

> > > > > communications with others that there is no safe implant and

> that

> > > > > women are ill from both types of implants. I am sorry if I

> > > misquoted

> > > > > you, or misunderstood you on this matter, I guess it was my

> > > > > assumption that since you implant women with smooth implants

> and

> > > have

> > > > > them in your own body that you must have the opinion that

> they are

> > > > > safe. If I was wrong about this then I apologize for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am curious if you had the silicone antibody blood test

> before

> > > you

> > > > > were reimplanted with saline implants after you had your

> leaking

> > > gel

> > > > > implants removed. Do you suggest that your patients get this

> test

> > > > > before implantation with smooth implants?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In @y..., " Dr. Kolb " <drkolb@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > Please do not misquote me on this site. I did not say that

> I

> > > > > believe smooth

> > > > > > implants are safe. I did say that I observed that smooth

> > > implants

> > > > > were

> > > > > > safer than textured and this is the experience of many of

> the

> > > > > doctors taking

> > > > > > care of saline patients with problems. I am also disturbed

> by

> > > the

> > > > > > emotionally based comments on the site. This has happened

> > > before

> > > > > and serves

> > > > > > no purpose for the good of the group. Please have the

> maturity

> > > to

> > > > > discuss

> > > > > > your differences of opinion without attacking others.

> .

> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > From: dc l <dclfive@y...>

> > > > > > < @y...>

> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:08 PM

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Smooth Or Textured Saline To

> > > Everyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- cjheer@i... wrote:

> > > > > > > > I would love to know how many of us on this group

> > > > > > > > had saline textured

> > > > > > > > and how many had saline smooth, since Dr Kolb, our

> > > > > > > > expert member

> > > > > > > > seems to think that smooth implants are safe I would

> > > > > > > > like to see if

> > > > > > > > this is the consensus on this site. I happen to know

> > > > > > > > of a few women

> > > > > > > > who are even more ill than I am who had smooth

> > > > > > > > implants, so I am not

> > > > > > > > convinced that this is true. I am wondering if there

> > > > > > > > could possibly

> > > > > > > > be that much of a difference between the two types.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not trying to argue I am just trying to figure

> > > > > > > > out if this is

> > > > > > > > true. I do know that Dr.Feng, who is quite an expert

> > > > > > > > on these issues

> > > > > > > > told me personally that while the smooth are safer

> > > > > > > > in her opinion she

> > > > > > > > does not feel implants are safe period and if you

> > > > > > > > see all the women

> > > > > > > > in her office you know that not one of them has

> > > > > > > > implants or would get

> > > > > > > > them. They are all tiny.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > cjheer,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had Mcgahn 325 smooth saline implants... I had my

> > > > > > > implants in about 14 months with no problems. I Loved

> > > > > > > my big beautiful breast and then the horror started.

> > > > > > > To make a very long story short...I had the implants

> > > > > > > removed and the cultures around the implant and tissue

> > > > > > > came back positive for staph. I was very very sick!

> > > > > > > The surgeon was shocked, he did not feel the implants

> > > > > > > were the source of my problems. Most of the symptoms

> > > > > > > disappeared after the implants were removed. I got all

> > > > > > > of my energy back and did not have the aches and pains

> > > > > > > as I did before. It has taken a while to get my immune

> > > > > > > system back into shape...My lymph nodes were greatly

> > > > > > > affected. I had the implants removed in December of

> > > > > > > 2000. I am left with skin attached to my chest

> > > > > > > wall(ribs) which is not very attractive but through

> > > > > > > this great big mess I have thanked God for my life and

> > > > > > > learned to love my very very small breast. Ten days

> > > > > > > after having the implants out I took the compression

> > > > > > > vest off...put on a spag. strap evening dress and

> > > > > > > attended a formal party with my husband. I got more

> > > > > > > compliments that night than ever before. I felt as

> > > > > > > though I got a second chance on life and I am very

> > > > > > > grateful for that!!!!

> > > > > > > Getting back to the subject...Smooth saline implants

> > > > > > > are not any more safe!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > >

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