Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I've looked up a very similar device to godzilla (except it costs 500 bucks!) and found it warns against using with pacemakers and other electronic implants. You may still wish to forward this info to the maker of your implant. I think it's risky according to the contraindications listed for the ionto device. http://www.chirocity.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=2850 near the bottom of the page, click on " click here for usage instructions " and note the contraindications. Here is a comparison of the output of both godzilla research device, and a typical commercial ionto device: DEVICE #1 GODZILLA research device: voltage: 4.5-6.0 volts DC current range: .1mA-.5mA DC polarity is reversed every 10 minutes. application is via transdermal electrode pads, no incisions DEVICE #2 COMPARISON device: Iontophoresis System *Single Channel Iontophoresis medications to treat at one site • Fully Programmable Dose range: 0-80 mA-minute Current range: 0-4.0 mA • Constantly displays dose delivered, remaining treatment time and current setting • Includes twin lead wires, two 9-volt batteries, carrying case and instruction guide Iontophoresis works by varying the voltage output as resistance changes the device consistently delivers the programmed dose. Iontophoresis Current can be set in 0.1 mA increments between 0.5 mA and 4 mA. It also has a pause feature that allows the clinician to check the treatment area without restarting the Iontophoresis treatment session. DISCUSSION: The Iontophoresis device is CONTRAINDICATED for persons with pacemakers, or other electronic implants. The godzilla device is not sold or FDA approved, and so has NO instructions or qualifications regarding its use. It is only for research. Its output is far lower than the 4.0mA of the Iontophoresis device, which is considered safe for most people. However, the question arises as to whether the lower output of the godzilla informal research device merits removal of the contra- indicated status of the iontophoresis device. It would seem to me, that since the godzilla and the ionto devices both sweep a range of current from .1mA-.5mA that the restriction or contraindication for the electronics implants would apply to both devices. Since the ionto device did not specify " contraindicated at current above .5mA, and ok below that range " there's no reason to think it would pose no risk at the lower godzilla range of current operation, .1mA-.5mA. bG > > Dear Group, > > Could someone write a description of the Godzilla, the treatment and > electricity used to present it to the manufacturer of my > defibrillator? I just get tongue tied and when I start to talk, the > tech is so busy, I can't get it across. > > It's for me and for my friend who has a cochlear implant. If the > voltage is so low and it's away from the implants, perhaps we can use > them. Being on so many medications lowers the immune system, and I > know using the godzilla would prevent alot of problems . > > Help, if you can. If I can get someone interested, they could > continue by writing the group or Baby Grand himself, and we could get > some answers. I know it's alot to ask, but sure would appreciate the > help. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In today's newspaper I saw an ad by a doctor for an electronic device for acne. It looks suspiciously like the device built with a 9v battery and resistor with a silver positive electrode that stops fever blisters. I think V builds one on order. Maybe some of the medical profession is swinging over to electric gadgets, providing they can charge you for an office visit and sell or rent you a battery. Dick Re: Information I've looked up a very similar device to godzilla (except it costs 500 bucks!) and found it warns against using with pacemakers and other electronic implants. You may still wish to forward this info to the maker of your implant. I think it's risky according to the contraindications listed for the ionto device. http://www.chirocity.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=2850 near the bottom of the page, click on " click here for usage instructions " and note the contraindications. Here is a comparison of the output of both godzilla research device, and a typical commercial ionto device: DEVICE #1 GODZILLA research device: voltage: 4.5-6.0 volts DC current range: .1mA-.5mA DC polarity is reversed every 10 minutes. application is via transdermal electrode pads, no incisions DEVICE #2 COMPARISON device: Iontophoresis System *Single Channel Iontophoresis medications to treat at one site . Fully Programmable Dose range: 0-80 mA-minute Current range: 0-4.0 mA . Constantly displays dose delivered, remaining treatment time and current setting . Includes twin lead wires, two 9-volt batteries, carrying case and instruction guide Iontophoresis works by varying the voltage output as resistance changes the device consistently delivers the programmed dose. Iontophoresis Current can be set in 0.1 mA increments between 0.5 mA and 4 mA. It also has a pause feature that allows the clinician to check the treatment area without restarting the Iontophoresis treatment session. DISCUSSION: The Iontophoresis device is CONTRAINDICATED for persons with pacemakers, or other electronic implants. The godzilla device is not sold or FDA approved, and so has NO instructions or qualifications regarding its use. It is only for research. Its output is far lower than the 4.0mA of the Iontophoresis device, which is considered safe for most people. However, the question arises as to whether the lower output of the godzilla informal research device merits removal of the contra- indicated status of the iontophoresis device. It would seem to me, that since the godzilla and the ionto devices both sweep a range of current from .1mA-.5mA that the restriction or contraindication for the electronics implants would apply to both devices. Since the ionto device did not specify " contraindicated at current above .5mA, and ok below that range " there's no reason to think it would pose no risk at the lower godzilla range of current operation, .1mA-.5mA. bG > > Dear Group, > > Could someone write a description of the Godzilla, the treatment and > electricity used to present it to the manufacturer of my > defibrillator? I just get tongue tied and when I start to talk, the > tech is so busy, I can't get it across. > > It's for me and for my friend who has a cochlear implant. If the > voltage is so low and it's away from the implants, perhaps we can use > them. Being on so many medications lowers the immune system, and I > know using the godzilla would prevent alot of problems . > > Help, if you can. If I can get someone interested, they could > continue by writing the group or Baby Grand himself, and we could get > some answers. I know it's alot to ask, but sure would appreciate the > help. > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hah! I'm sure the battery is: 1. not included 2. requires a prescription 3. costs $50. 4. no refills Smells like we are nearing the motherlode. Bob > > > > Dear Group, > > > > Could someone write a description of the Godzilla, the treatment > and > > electricity used to present it to the manufacturer of my > > defibrillator? I just get tongue tied and when I start to talk, > the > > tech is so busy, I can't get it across. > > > > It's for me and for my friend who has a cochlear implant. If the > > voltage is so low and it's away from the implants, perhaps we can > use > > them. Being on so many medications lowers the immune system, and I > > know using the godzilla would prevent alot of problems . > > > > Help, if you can. If I can get someone interested, they could > > continue by writing the group or Baby Grand himself, and we could > get > > some answers. I know it's alot to ask, but sure would appreciate > the > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you > agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from > anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, > good luck researching. --bG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thanks! It's a little depressing to hear, but I will print out and give it to them anyhow. The good news is when I went for the Guidant tech check up this past monday, he said if I was doing any better, they would take it out! So, I will continue to eat right and pray, I may not need it forever! Wouldn't that be a blessing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Arthur, There are people on this board from just about every state. Please give us a little more information about yourself. What city or state are you in? What tests did you have 10 years ago? Anti-bodies?....viral load?......Liver Biopsy? What symptoms are you having now? How old are you? How long have you been infected? Are you a veteran? Fill us un a bit so we can help out. Glenn > > I was diagnosed with hep c over 10 years ago but have never seen a > doctor or anything since I now have been feeling pretty sick and can't > afford a doctor. Is there help available? Seems everyone want to treat > me like a lepper if I mention it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 My doctor is familiar with " trials " where they try new anti hep C viral products--maybe check it out on the web sites ? The trials are free, or they even pay you to take the new drugs--The only down side is the placebo--sp ? Everett arthurdelong <arthurdelong@...> wrote: I was diagnosed with hep c over 10 years ago but have never seen a doctor or anything since I now have been feeling pretty sick and can't afford a doctor. Is there help available? Seems everyone want to treat me like a lepper if I mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 F.Y.I. My doctor told me if start some trial study like they offered me then he could no longer be my doctor. The trial was for interferon, way back when. They wanted to give me 10 million units a day. That was about ten times normal prescribed dosage. I don't know if it would have cured me or killed me but I think what I went through was bad enough. edward wrangler <ewranglerasc@...> wrote: My doctor is familiar with " trials " where they try new anti hep C viral products--maybe check it out on the web sites ? The trials are free, or they even pay you to take the new drugs--The only down side is the placebo--sp ? Everett arthurdelong <arthurdelong@...> wrote: I was diagnosed with hep c over 10 years ago but have never seen a doctor or anything since I now have been feeling pretty sick and can't afford a doctor. Is there help available? Seems everyone want to treat me like a lepper if I mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hey , we must be related, because that kind of stuff happens to me all the time. I have watched my friends being use like lab rats to test a new drug, not just for HepC but for cancer or other sickness. The last time I was in the hospital it said all over my chart allergic to coedine, what was the first thing they tried to give me, you got it coedine. And then they get huffy when you ask what they are giving you. I have such a bad headache since the begining of the year, first I thought it was neurglia, 80% of people with it get it from dental procedures. My Doctor gave me a new drug to take called Lyrica, the only problems is it make your vision so blurry you think your going blind. Kathleen Murchison <stu1958@...> wrote: F.Y.I. My doctor told me if start some trial study like they offered me then he could no longer be my doctor. The trial was for interferon, way back when. They wanted to give me 10 million units a day. That was about ten times normal prescribed dosage. I don't know if it would have cured me or killed me but I think what I went through was bad enough. edward wrangler <ewranglerasc@...> wrote: My doctor is familiar with " trials " where they try new anti hep C viral products--maybe check it out on the web sites ? The trials are free, or they even pay you to take the new drugs--The only down side is the placebo--sp ? Everett arthurdelong <arthurdelong@...> wrote: I was diagnosed with hep c over 10 years ago but have never seen a doctor or anything since I now have been feeling pretty sick and can't afford a doctor. Is there help available? Seems everyone want to treat me like a lepper if I mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Check in with your nearest medical univesity they are always looking for those willing to try new drugs and they don't charge. --- arthurdelong <arthurdelong@...> wrote: > I was diagnosed with hep c over 10 years ago but > have never seen a > doctor or anything since I now have been feeling > pretty sick and can't > afford a doctor. Is there help available? Seems > everyone want to treat > me like a lepper if I mention it. > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hi all, This is off topic -but I am interested to know if anyone knows of a natural treatment for a friend. My friend was a volunteer first responder on 9/11 at Ground Zero. He breathed in all the toxic air, including mercury, lead, asbestos, you name it. He is very ill; lung disease, heart disease, and has recently developed lumps on his neck and stomach. This is a complicated case, and he needs a doctor that will treat him holistically, but he does not have one. I am looking for some sort of supplement, perhaps a cancer supplement, that is reputable and has good results. Any information is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 check out the site-www.naturalnews.com. this should help him out allot On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM, H <hartmandrea@...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This is off topic -but I am interested to know if anyone knows of a natural > treatment for a friend. My friend was a volunteer first responder on 9/11 at > Ground Zero. He breathed in all the toxic air, including mercury, lead, > asbestos, you name it. He is very ill; lung disease, heart disease, and has > recently developed lumps on his neck and stomach. > > This is a complicated case, and he needs a doctor that will treat him > holistically, but he does not have one. I am looking for some sort of > supplement, perhaps a cancer supplement, that is reputable and has good > results. > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 - I have not used MMS (Miracle Mineral Solution- a sodium chlorite product) but have heard of them mentioned by others: http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/04/25/miracle-mineral-supplemen\ t/ http://www.miraclemineral.org/ http://mmssecret.com/ http://www.oceanslab.com/ People claim that although MMS is a very mild product at a very affordable price, it is very potent in detoxifying/purifying and promoting healing within the body. Best wishes to your friend. Take care, > > Hi all, > > This is off topic -but I am interested to know if anyone knows of a natural treatment for a friend. My friend was a volunteer first responder on 9/11 at Ground Zero. He breathed in all the toxic air, including mercury, lead, asbestos, you name it. He is very ill; lung disease, heart disease, and has recently developed lumps on his neck and stomach. > > This is a complicated case, and he needs a doctor that will treat him holistically, but he does not have one. I am looking for some sort of supplement, perhaps a cancer supplement, that is reputable and has good results. > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hi : Check out Dr. Robin Bernhoft in Ojai California. He was a liver and kidney surgeon and became ill from the antibacterials. He had to retire and went on a search of answers He is now a toxicologist and treats people with all kinds of environmental illnesses. I met a woman there who went to Katrina to do a film and got severely ill with the mold that was in the warehouse where they shot the documentary. She has been treating with him for a while and is doing much better. It is really critical that he gets help soon before he comes down with something deadly! Removing metals is a very slow cleaning stuff. His DNA is being damaged by his toxic load. It is urgent to get the stuff out. If you want to know more contact me directly linda ________________________________ From: michael waldner <mykdymond@...> Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 10:35:52 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Information check out the site-. this should help him out allot On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM, H <hartmandrea@...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This is off topic -but I am interested to know if anyone knows of a natural > treatment for a friend. My friend was a volunteer first responder on 9/11 at > Ground Zero. He breathed in all the toxic air, including mercury, lead, > asbestos, you name it. He is very ill; lung disease, heart disease, and has > recently developed lumps on his neck and stomach. > > This is a complicated case, and he needs a doctor that will treat him > holistically, but he does not have one. I am looking for some sort of > supplement, perhaps a cancer supplement, that is reputable and has good > results. > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hi : Another think to look into are the foot ionizers. They pull toxins through the soul of your feet. It is slower than Chelation but he can do it at home. There are things to know about it before you start. I would really get in touch with Dr. Bernhoft Tell him I gave you his name. He will call you back and talk to you on the phone. Don't waste your time. It is really urgent! This stuff does not leave the body by itself! it just deposits on the tissues and it goes deeper and deeper as time goes by, damaging his DNA and causing irreversible damage. A someone who gave freely should get the best help. Good Luck ________________________________ From: michael waldner <mykdymond@...> Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 10:35:52 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Information check out the site-www.naturalnews.com. this should help him out allot On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM, H <hartmandrea@...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This is off topic -but I am interested to know if anyone knows of a natural > treatment for a friend. My friend was a volunteer first responder on 9/11 at > Ground Zero. He breathed in all the toxic air, including mercury, lead, > asbestos, you name it. He is very ill; lung disease, heart disease, and has > recently developed lumps on his neck and stomach. > > This is a complicated case, and he needs a doctor that will treat him > holistically, but he does not have one. I am looking for some sort of > supplement, perhaps a cancer supplement, that is reputable and has good > results. > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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