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Marc,

I think many of us subscribing to are doing so because we

have not found a drug that works for us and are therefore searching for

alternatives.

I too have looked into GABA supplementation, but, as you probably know, the

conventional thinking is that GABA does not cross the blood-brain barrier,

so taking GABA orally will not reach the brain.

However, in doing the research, I found a firm that used be called

NeuroScience but that now seems to also be using the name NeuroRelief. The

firm's new web site is: https://www.neurorelief.com/

This outfit provides testing for levels of various neurotransmitters and to

also sells their own formulations of substances to correct imbalances. Two

of their products--CeroLox and GabaMax-- supposedly contains substances

that are known to inhibit neural over-excitation.

See

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & Itemid\

=48

These formulations contain substances that are GABA precursors and

potentiators, and which unlike GABA itself, can cross the blood-brain

barrier.

You cannot order CeroLox or GabaMax on your own; they only distribute the

products through heath care practitioners. If you ask,

NeuroScience/NeuroRelief will identify a person in your area that deals

with them. I asked and was sent a list of health care providers. I was

pleasantly surprised to see that in addition to naturopaths and

chiropractors, there were MDs and DOs on this list.

I was thinking of going to consult one of the MD providers, but I have not

done so as yet. My son's epileptologist is very skeptical (no surprise !).

But perhaps there is something to it.

Mike

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I have done a considerable amount of research regarding GABA

supplements over the past few months and have found enough literature

about what it is and how it may or may not help those with epilepsy.

But what I really want is to hear from real people who have real

experiences with taking GABA supplements.

My daughter Mira was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms over a year ago

and has failed numerous AEDs.

Best regards.

Marc

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Marc,

Good luck. If you do use a NeuroScience product, I would appreciate it if

you could share your experiences. I'm still thinking about it.

Most neurologists I find are not well-versed in alternative treatments and

are usually hostile to the notion. The idea of having the alternative

treatment overseen (or at least approved) by a physician is comforting to

me, perhaps because it takes away some of the responsibility that if

something goes wrong, it was " you " who did that to your child.

I came across an edited textbook meant for neurologists and educated

consumers about alternative treatments for seizures. It presents a balanced

view. The editors are respected neurologists, and I discussed some things

with my son's neurologist using it as a basis for the discussion. A link to

Amazon's site for it is below:

http://www.amazon.com/Complementary-Alternative-Therapies-Epilepsy-Devinsky/dp/1\

888799897

In case you have not come across it, there was a discussion thread about

GABA crossing the blood-brain barrier back in 1999 at the following link.

http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/1999-May/038331.html

I read that the drug Gabapentin (Neurontin) was developed as an

" artificial " GABA that could cross the blood-brain barrier. This was done

by modifying the chemical structure of GABA only slightly (something about

a fifth ring). However, while Gabapentin did turn out to be an AED, it must

work through mechanisms other than GABA, because it reportedly does not

bind to the GABA receptors.

The idea of supplementing with substances that can cross the blood-brain

barrier and that either a involved in forming GABA or that help sustain it

makes theoretical sense.

Mike

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Mike.

Thanks so much for the information. I had no idea that there are companies

or research being done on this sort of thing. Most of what I had come

across said basically the same thing - a lot of generalizations and lacking

in concrete evidence, so to speak about the effects/affects of GABA on the

brain and the potential it has for treating epilepsy.

Mira's neuro didn't seem to be all that familiar with OTC GABA supplements,

but we came to the conclusion that it was worth a try. Right now, she is

just taking B6 and no medications. There is a concern about the potential

interaction between GABA and AEDs, including Depakene.

I will certainly look into the links. Thanks again.

Best regards.

Marc Bertolino

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Marc,

I think many of us subscribing to are doing so because we

have not found a drug that works for us and are therefore searching for

alternatives.

I too have looked into GABA supplementation, but, as you probably know,

the

conventional thinking is that GABA does not cross the blood-brain barrier,

so taking GABA orally will not reach the brain.

However, in doing the research, I found a firm that used be called

NeuroScience but that now seems to also be using the name NeuroRelief. The

firm's new web site is: https://www.neurorelief.com/

This outfit provides testing for levels of various neurotransmitters and

to

also sells their own formulations of substances to correct imbalances. Two

of their products--CeroLox and GabaMax-- supposedly contains substances

that are known to inhibit neural over-excitation.

See

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & Itemid\

=48

These formulations contain substances that are GABA precursors and

potentiators, and which unlike GABA itself, can cross the blood-brain

barrier.

You cannot order CeroLox or GabaMax on your own; they only distribute the

products through heath care practitioners. If you ask,

NeuroScience/NeuroRelief will identify a person in your area that deals

with them. I asked and was sent a list of health care providers. I was

pleasantly surprised to see that in addition to naturopaths and

chiropractors, there were MDs and DOs on this list.

I was thinking of going to consult one of the MD providers, but I have not

done so as yet. My son's epileptologist is very skeptical (no surprise !).

But perhaps there is something to it.

Mike

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I have done a considerable amount of research regarding GABA

supplements over the past few months and have found enough literature

about what it is and how it may or may not help those with epilepsy.

But what I really want is to hear from real people who have real

experiences with taking GABA supplements.

My daughter Mira was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms over a year ago

and has failed numerous AEDs.

Best regards.

Marc

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I believe Gaba supplements most certainly reach the brain! My

autistic son (who is not epileptic) has been using Gaba for several

months and it most certainly has enhanced his moods, speech, and

cognition. If that doesn't mean it reaches the brain, then I don't

know what does! My mother reported that on days where she feels

like either a migraine or seizure could occur (she wakes up feeling

weepy), the Gaba definitely helps with the weepy, over-emotional

feeling. She may have a slight migraine later, but the seizure

seems to have not reached the thresh hold of activation. Many on

www.autismanswer.com use it to help balance glutamate excitotoxins

(and also use grapseed extract & pycnogenol to do similar things).

An excellent supplement for us!

>

> Marc,

>

> I think many of us subscribing to are doing so

because we

> have not found a drug that works for us and are therefore

searching for

> alternatives.

>

> I too have looked into GABA supplementation, but, as you probably

know, the

> conventional thinking is that GABA does not cross the blood-brain

barrier,

> so taking GABA orally will not reach the brain.

>

> However, in doing the research, I found a firm that used be called

> NeuroScience but that now seems to also be using the name

NeuroRelief. The

> firm's new web site is: https://www.neurorelief.com/

>

> This outfit provides testing for levels of various

neurotransmitters and to

> also sells their own formulations of substances to correct

imbalances. Two

> of their products--CeroLox and GabaMax-- supposedly contains

substances

> that are known to inhibit neural over-excitation.

> See

> https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?

option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & Itemid=48

>

> These formulations contain substances that are GABA precursors and

> potentiators, and which unlike GABA itself, can cross the blood-

brain

> barrier.

>

>

>

>

> You cannot order CeroLox or GabaMax on your own; they only

distribute the

> products through heath care practitioners. If you

ask,

> NeuroScience/NeuroRelief will identify a person in your area that

deals

> with them. I asked and was sent a list of health care providers.

I was

> pleasantly surprised to see that in addition to naturopaths

and

> chiropractors, there were MDs and DOs on this

list.

>

>

>

> I was thinking of going to consult one of the MD providers, but I

have not

> done so as yet. My son's epileptologist is very skeptical (no

surprise !).

> But perhaps there is something to it.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

>

>

>

>

> I have done a considerable amount of research regarding GABA

> supplements over the past few months and have found enough

literature

> about what it is and how it may or may not help those with

epilepsy.

> But what I really want is to hear from real people who have real

> experiences with taking GABA supplements.

>

> My daughter Mira was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms over a year

ago

> and has failed numerous AEDs.

>

> Best regards.

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,

I'm just repeating what is the conventional wisdom in the neurosciences

about oral GABA crossing the blood-brain barrier. A discussion thread of

this issue among the " professionals " can be found at the following link

http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/1999-May/038331.html

The discussants seem to believe that some " leaks " through, but that it is

mainly a placebo effect. But if it works for some people, then who cares if

it's a placebo effect. As long as it stops the seizures and doesn't cause

any harm, I'm for it.

Mike

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I believe Gaba supplements most certainly reach the brain! My

autistic son (who is not epileptic) has been using Gaba for several

months and it most certainly has enhanced his moods, speech, and

cognition. If that doesn't mean it reaches the brain, then I don't

know what does! My mother reported that on days where she feels

like either a migraine or seizure could occur (she wakes up feeling

weepy), the Gaba definitely helps with the weepy, over-emotional

feeling. She may have a slight migraine later, but the seizure

seems to have not reached the thresh hold of activation. Many on

www.autismanswer.com use it to help balance glutamate excitotoxins

(and also use grapseed extract & pycnogenol to do similar things).

An excellent supplement for us!

>

> Marc,

>

> I think many of us subscribing to are doing so

because we

> have not found a drug that works for us and are therefore

searching for

> alternatives.

>

> I too have looked into GABA supplementation, but, as you probably

know, the

> conventional thinking is that GABA does not cross the blood-brain

barrier,

> so taking GABA orally will not reach the brain.

>

> However, in doing the research, I found a firm that used be called

> NeuroScience but that now seems to also be using the name

NeuroRelief. The

> firm's new web site is: https://www.neurorelief.com/

>

> This outfit provides testing for levels of various

neurotransmitters and to

> also sells their own formulations of substances to correct

imbalances. Two

> of their products--CeroLox and GabaMax-- supposedly contains

substances

> that are known to inhibit neural over-excitation.

> See

> https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?

option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & Itemid=48

>

> These formulations contain substances that are GABA precursors and

> potentiators, and which unlike GABA itself, can cross the blood-

brain

> barrier.

>

>

>

>

> You cannot order CeroLox or GabaMax on your own; they only

distribute the

> products through heath care practitioners. If you

ask,

> NeuroScience/NeuroRelief will identify a person in your area that

deals

> with them. I asked and was sent a list of health care providers.

I was

> pleasantly surprised to see that in addition to naturopaths

and

> chiropractors, there were MDs and DOs on this

list.

>

>

>

> I was thinking of going to consult one of the MD providers, but I

have not

> done so as yet. My son's epileptologist is very skeptical (no

surprise !).

> But perhaps there is something to it.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

> I have done a considerable amount of research regarding GABA

> supplements over the past few months and have found enough

literature

> about what it is and how it may or may not help those with

epilepsy.

> But what I really want is to hear from real people who have real

> experiences with taking GABA supplements.

>

> My daughter Mira was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms over a year

ago

> and has failed numerous AEDs.

>

> Best regards.

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

>

>

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and Marc,

I have some experience with Neuroscience which is now Neurorelief. Actually

they were two different companies before with similar services and products. We

used the Urinary Neurotransmitter Profiles which yielded some interesting

results and they dovetailed with the ION profile test by Metametrix.I did NOT

check the validity of the Urinary Neurotransmitter Profiles test though I did

look into the ION profile test. There is some concern for the accuracy of one of

the ION profile panels. I believe it it the organix acid panel. Anyway,after the

test Neuroscience recommended a series of products step by step. The first ones

were Serene and Serene Plus. I believe that later on they would use GABAMax. My

son took Serene and Serene Plus and they had no impact on the seizures. We then

stopped. So, I cannot comment on GABAMax,

CY

Roszkowski <roszkows@...> wrote:

Marc,

I think many of us subscribing to are doing so because we

have not found a drug that works for us and are therefore searching for

alternatives.

I too have looked into GABA supplementation, but, as you probably know, the

conventional thinking is that GABA does not cross the blood-brain barrier,

so taking GABA orally will not reach the brain.

However, in doing the research, I found a firm that used be called

NeuroScience but that now seems to also be using the name NeuroRelief. The

firm's new web site is: https://www.neurorelief.com/

This outfit provides testing for levels of various neurotransmitters and to

also sells their own formulations of substances to correct imbalances. Two

of their products--CeroLox and GabaMax-- supposedly contains substances

that are known to inhibit neural over-excitation.

See

https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & Itemid\

=48

These formulations contain substances that are GABA precursors and

potentiators, and which unlike GABA itself, can cross the blood-brain

barrier.

You cannot order CeroLox or GabaMax on your own; they only distribute the

products through heath care practitioners. If you ask,

NeuroScience/NeuroRelief will identify a person in your area that deals

with them. I asked and was sent a list of health care providers. I was

pleasantly surprised to see that in addition to naturopaths and

chiropractors, there were MDs and DOs on this list.

I was thinking of going to consult one of the MD providers, but I have not

done so as yet. My son's epileptologist is very skeptical (no surprise !).

But perhaps there is something to it.

Mike

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@yah

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I have done a considerable amount of research regarding GABA

supplements over the past few months and have found enough literature

about what it is and how it may or may not help those with epilepsy.

But what I really want is to hear from real people who have real

experiences with taking GABA supplements.

My daughter Mira was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms over a year ago

and has failed numerous AEDs.

Best regards.

Marc

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My son has used several NeuroScience products: Calm PRT, Balance D,

TravaCor Jr, EndoTrex spray, and Kavinace. We used them for about six

months and have since stopped them.

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and Marc,

I have some experience with Neuroscience which is now Neurorelief. Actually

they were two different companies before with similar services and products.

We used the Urinary Neurotransmitter Profiles which yielded some interesting

results and they dovetailed with the ION profile test by Metametrix.I did

NOT check the validity of the Urinary Neurotransmitter Profiles test though

I did look into the ION profile test. There is some concern for the accuracy

of one of the ION profile panels. I believe it it the organix acid panel.

Anyway,after the test Neuroscience recommended a series of products step by

step. The first ones were Serene and Serene Plus. I believe that later on

they would use GABAMax. My son took Serene and Serene Plus and they had no

impact on the seizures. We then stopped. So, I cannot comment on GABAMax,

CY

Roszkowski <roszkowslasalle (DOT) <mailto:roszkows%40lasalle.edu> edu>

wrote:

Marc,

I think many of us subscribing to are doing so because we

have not found a drug that works for us and are therefore searching for

alternatives.

I too have looked into GABA supplementation, but, as you probably know, the

conventional thinking is that GABA does not cross the blood-brain barrier,

so taking GABA orally will not reach the brain.

However, in doing the research, I found a firm that used be called

NeuroScience but that now seems to also be using the name NeuroRelief. The

firm's new web site is: https://www. <https://www.neurorelief.com/>

neurorelief.com/

This outfit provides testing for levels of various neurotransmitters and to

also sells their own formulations of substances to correct imbalances. Two

of their products--CeroLox and GabaMax-- supposedly contains substances

that are known to inhibit neural over-excitation.

See

https://www.

<https://www.neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & I

temid=48>

neurorelief.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=223 & Itemid=48

These formulations contain substances that are GABA precursors and

potentiators, and which unlike GABA itself, can cross the blood-brain

barrier.

You cannot order CeroLox or GabaMax on your own; they only distribute the

products through heath care practitioners. If you ask,

NeuroScience/NeuroRelief will identify a person in your area that deals

with them. I asked and was sent a list of health care providers. I was

pleasantly surprised to see that in addition to naturopaths and

chiropractors, there were MDs and DOs on this list.

I was thinking of going to consult one of the MD providers, but I have not

done so as yet. My son's epileptologist is very skeptical (no surprise !).

But perhaps there is something to it.

Mike

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I have done a considerable amount of research regarding GABA

supplements over the past few months and have found enough literature

about what it is and how it may or may not help those with epilepsy.

But what I really want is to hear from real people who have real

experiences with taking GABA supplements.

My daughter Mira was diagnosed with Infantile Spasms over a year ago

and has failed numerous AEDs.

Best regards.

Marc

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