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In a message dated 1/30/2006 7:40:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

angel_lts@... writes:

, It is very possible that your child is loosing alot of sleep

in the night from seizures. And boys are more prone to have behavior

problems than girls when dealing with epilepsy.

Depokote also causes loss of bone when taking for an extended amount

of time. Please be careful. My neice is only 18 and has osteopenia

already in her life. She was on Depokote for five years.

Depakote can deplete vitamin D and also selenmium and a couple of other

things. Not my favorite AED.

mjh

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http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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In a message dated 1/30/2006 9:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

amheartfield@... writes:

Mjh, I'm really glad you answered because you always have such great

suggestions. My son wasn't ever really on Depakote as it didn't stop the

seizures in the hospital. He was then on Trileptol which caused a bad rash,

then Zonegran which caused mania. He's been successfully on Carbatrol for

about 6-8 months now I think. Could he be depleted of something that he

needs.like the vitamin D and selenium that you mentioned?

Yes, . Do a web search on the drug and really drill down to find the

deficiencies. Also, make sure the diet has no processed or preserved foods,

little junk carbs and a good amount of healthy brain fats.

mjh

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http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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Mjh, do you follow any specific diet, ie, Atkins, or just use common sense?

Also, did you ever try carosine (or the product carnaware) to help prevent

seizures? thanks, Carolyn

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Hi ,

My son began having seizures at 3.5 years old (he is now 7.5) and we

have just begun to learn about the potential correlation between the

origin of seizures in the brain and potential challenges with behavior

(which we have always had). Our son's seizures for example are left

frontal in origin and the frontal lobe controls things like

impulsiveness, behavior regulation, strategic thinking/planning etc.

(what is called executive order functioning). Are your son's seizures

frontal lobe focus? Just a thought?

~

[ ] Seizures and behavior

Hi there. I posted here a while back you were all very helpful.

I read

your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

experience.

I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us.

Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed. My

son (5)

began having seizures in July of last year and was in the

hospital for about

2 weeks getting them under control. Then again in August. He

was free of

seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one

day, both less

than a minute. Now, over the past week he has been having

complex partials

at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I

actually saw on

Friday) is that he wets the bed. Also, his behavior has gotten

atrocious.

He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc. There haven't

been any

real med changes (he's on Carbatrol).

There are a couple of things that are new, though. He started

sensory

integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice. And,

his 18 month

old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago.

The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before

this whole

seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate. When

we went to

see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote

and then had

his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours.

Now, I

don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe

it was the

med change. Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

similar.

I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior

to go haywire

like this? And if so, what can I do to help it?

Thanks!

In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul. -

Shepherd

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Why was he on meds before he started any seizures?

>>> amheartfield@... 1/30/2006 12:04:16 AM >>>

Hi there. I posted here a while back you were all very helpful. I

read

your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

experience.

I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us.

Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed. My son

(5)

began having seizures in July of last year and was in the hospital for

about

2 weeks getting them under control. Then again in August. He was free

of

seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one day, both

less

than a minute. Now, over the past week he has been having complex

partials

at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I actually saw

on

Friday) is that he wets the bed. Also, his behavior has gotten

atrocious.

He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc. There haven't been

any

real med changes (he's on Carbatrol).

There are a couple of things that are new, though. He started sensory

integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice. And, his 18

month

old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago.

The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before this

whole

seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate. When we went

to

see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote and

then had

his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours. Now,

I

don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe it was

the

med change. Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

similar.

I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior to go

haywire

like this? And if so, what can I do to help it?

Thanks!

In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul. -

Shepherd

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, It is very possible that your child is loosing alot of sleep

in the night from seizures. And boys are more prone to have behavior

problems than girls when dealing with epilepsy.

Depokote also causes loss of bone when taking for an extended amount

of time. Please be careful. My neice is only 18 and has osteopenia

already in her life. She was on Depokote for five years.

here is a site you can check out.

http://www.epilepsy.com/articles/ar_1064604275.html

Take care

epilepsyapproach/

>

> Hi there. I posted here a while back you were all very helpful.

I read

> your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

experience.

> I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us.

>

> Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed. My

son (5)

> began having seizures in July of last year and was in the hospital

for about

> 2 weeks getting them under control. Then again in August. He was

free of

> seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one day,

both less

> than a minute. Now, over the past week he has been having complex

partials

> at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I actually

saw on

> Friday) is that he wets the bed. Also, his behavior has gotten

atrocious.

> He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc. There haven't

been any

> real med changes (he's on Carbatrol).

>

> There are a couple of things that are new, though. He started

sensory

> integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice. And, his

18 month

> old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago.

>

> The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before this

whole

> seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate. When we

went to

> see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote

and then had

> his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours.

Now, I

> don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe it

was the

> med change. Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

similar.

>

> I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior to

go haywire

> like this? And if so, what can I do to help it?

>

>

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul. -

> Shepherd

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Mjh, I'm really glad you answered because you always have such great

suggestions. My son wasn't ever really on Depakote as it didn't stop the

seizures in the hospital. He was then on Trileptol which caused a bad rash,

then Zonegran which caused mania. He's been successfully on Carbatrol for

about 6-8 months now I think. Could he be depleted of something that he

needs.like the vitamin D and selenium that you mentioned?

_____

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On Behalf Of foxhillers@...

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:51 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Seizures and behavior

In a message dated 1/30/2006 7:40:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

angel_lts@... writes:

, It is very possible that your child is loosing alot of sleep

in the night from seizures. And boys are more prone to have behavior

problems than girls when dealing with epilepsy.

Depokote also causes loss of bone when taking for an extended amount

of time. Please be careful. My neice is only 18 and has osteopenia

already in her life. She was on Depokote for five years.

Depakote can deplete vitamin D and also selenmium and a couple of other

things. Not my favorite AED.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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Hi ,

Sorry you're going thru this. Yes, seizures can cause behavior

problems. I don't actually think it's the seizures themselves that

cause behavior problems, but the stress that having seizures causes.

The first indication of my son having seizures (age 3) was he started

banging his head on the floor and screaming like a possessed child--it

was awful. He's autistic, nonverbal and also had a new sister so all

the docs wrote it off as " autistic behavior " (previous to this he was a

whiny child, but never really had a temper tantrum). Then we started

seeing the seizures. Things would calm down then we'd see the same

behavior again and within a couple weeks, he'd either develop a new

type of seizure or the seizures would worsen. My guess is that the

changes happening in his brain caused horrible anxiety.

After a year or so when his seizures stopped changing, the behaviors

disappeared. His seizures are not well controlled, but he's once again

our sweet child. Also he's not whiny any more either! has taken a

low dose of Celexa (SSRI, anti-depressant) for a couple years now and I

think that helps with anxiety when he's in a bad seizure cycle.

Medication can cause behavioral problems as well. had a bad

reaction to Depakote. My passive kid actually bit one of his

therapists! Also, Depakote worked for some of his seizures, but caused

him to start atonic drop seizures. They stopped when we stopped the

Depakote. A sz medication might work great for one kid, but worsen

seizures in another--so watch out for that. And for some reason neuros

don't always mention that. Also if they don't taper the medication down

slowly enough (even if it doesn't seem to be working), it can cause

withdrawal sz.

And a last thought... Could your son's poor behavior and low tolerance

be caused by lack of good sleep? If his seizures are disrupting his

sleep, he could have chronic sleep deprivation. We've all seen what our

kids act like when they haven't gotten enough sleep (or us!)--whiny,

intolerant, poorly behaved... Something to consider anyway.

Good luck!

On Jan 30, 2006, at 12:04 AM, H. wrote:

> Hi there.  I posted here a while back you were all very helpful.  I

> read

> your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

> experience.

> I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us. 

>

> Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed.  My son

> (5)

> began having seizures in July of last year and was in the hospital

> for about

> 2 weeks getting them under control.  Then again in August.  He was

> free of

> seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one day,

> both less

> than a minute.  Now, over the past week he has been having complex

> partials

> at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I actually

> saw on

> Friday) is that he wets the bed.  Also, his behavior has gotten

> atrocious.

> He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc.  There haven't been

> any

> real med changes (he's on Carbatrol). 

>

> There are a couple of things that are new, though.  He started sensory

> integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice.  And, his 18

> month

> old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago. 

>

> The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before this

> whole

> seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate.  When we

> went to

> see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote and

> then had

> his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours.  Now,

> I

> don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe it was

> the

> med change.  Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

> similar. 

>

> I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior to go

> haywire

> like this?  And if so, what can I do to help it?

>

>

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul.  -

> Shepherd

>

>

>

>

>

>

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MARY,HI MY NAME IS MARK AND I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING YOU SHOULD NEVER

DO,NEVER STRAP YOUR SON DOWN,IT WILL MAKE HIM MEANER/ANGRY MY BROTHER HAD THOSE

KIND OF SEIZURES.MY SEIZURES THAT I HAVE,ARE GRANDMAL SEIZURES SOME HAVE LASTED

OVER 45 MINUTES IN 2003 IN HAD 755 SEIZURES IN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS I WAS READY TO

GIVE UP ON EVERYTHING,BUT GOD HEARD ME EACH YEAR GET BETTER,MY LAST ONE WAS

NOVEMBER 26TH 2005 AND HOPFULLY IT'S THE LAST ONE.WHAT IS YOUR SON'S NAME, AND I

WILL PRAY FOR HIM? SINCERELY, MARK HOGUE

Gill <ashleygill@...> wrote: Hi ,

Sorry you're going thru this. Yes, seizures can cause behavior

problems. I don't actually think it's the seizures themselves that

cause behavior problems, but the stress that having seizures causes.

The first indication of my son having seizures (age 3) was he started

banging his head on the floor and screaming like a possessed child--it

was awful. He's autistic, nonverbal and also had a new sister so all

the docs wrote it off as " autistic behavior " (previous to this he was a

whiny child, but never really had a temper tantrum). Then we started

seeing the seizures. Things would calm down then we'd see the same

behavior again and within a couple weeks, he'd either develop a new

type of seizure or the seizures would worsen. My guess is that the

changes happening in his brain caused horrible anxiety.

After a year or so when his seizures stopped changing, the behaviors

disappeared. His seizures are not well controlled, but he's once again

our sweet child. Also he's not whiny any more either! has taken a

low dose of Celexa (SSRI, anti-depressant) for a couple years now and I

think that helps with anxiety when he's in a bad seizure cycle.

Medication can cause behavioral problems as well. had a bad

reaction to Depakote. My passive kid actually bit one of his

therapists! Also, Depakote worked for some of his seizures, but caused

him to start atonic drop seizures. They stopped when we stopped the

Depakote. A sz medication might work great for one kid, but worsen

seizures in another--so watch out for that. And for some reason neuros

don't always mention that. Also if they don't taper the medication down

slowly enough (even if it doesn't seem to be working), it can cause

withdrawal sz.

And a last thought... Could your son's poor behavior and low tolerance

be caused by lack of good sleep? If his seizures are disrupting his

sleep, he could have chronic sleep deprivation. We've all seen what our

kids act like when they haven't gotten enough sleep (or us!)--whiny,

intolerant, poorly behaved... Something to consider anyway.

Good luck!

On Jan 30, 2006, at 12:04 AM, H. wrote:

> Hi there. I posted here a while back you were all very helpful. I

> read

> your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

> experience.

> I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us.Â

>

> Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed. My son

> (5)

> began having seizures in July of last year and was in the hospital

> for about

> 2 weeks getting them under control. Then again in August. He was

> free of

> seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one day,

> both less

> than a minute. Now, over the past week he has been having complex

> partials

> at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I actually

> saw on

> Friday) is that he wets the bed. Also, his behavior has gotten

> atrocious.

> He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc. There haven't been

> any

> real med changes (he's on Carbatrol).Â

>

> There are a couple of things that are new, though. He started sensory

> integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice. And, his 18

> month

> old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago.Â

>

> The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before this

> whole

> seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate. When we

> went to

> see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote and

> then had

> his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours. Now,

> I

> don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe it was

> the

> med change. Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

> similar.Â

>

> I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior to go

> haywire

> like this? And if so, what can I do to help it?

>

>

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul. -

> Shepherd

>

>

>

>

>

>

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He needs mood stabilization, adhd, etc. I wish he weren't on ANY meds and

am looking into neurofeedback therapy.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Diane

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:21 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Seizures and behavior

Why was he on meds before he started any seizures?

>>> amheartfield@... 1/30/2006 12:04:16 AM >>>

Hi there. I posted here a while back you were all very helpful. I

read

your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

experience.

I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us.

Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed. My son

(5)

began having seizures in July of last year and was in the hospital for

about

2 weeks getting them under control. Then again in August. He was free

of

seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one day, both

less

than a minute. Now, over the past week he has been having complex

partials

at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I actually saw

on

Friday) is that he wets the bed. Also, his behavior has gotten

atrocious.

He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc. There haven't been

any

real med changes (he's on Carbatrol).

There are a couple of things that are new, though. He started sensory

integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice. And, his 18

month

old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago.

The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before this

whole

seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate. When we went

to

see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote and

then had

his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours. Now,

I

don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe it was

the

med change. Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

similar.

I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior to go

haywire

like this? And if so, what can I do to help it?

Thanks!

In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul. -

Shepherd

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Below are some links you may find useful. If your son's seizures

began while on drugs, you may want to look into whether the drugs

could have triggered them, which many can do. The depakote can have

some very serious side effects, including some that may lower the

seizure threshold and affect behavior. Have you checked for vitamin D

and carnitine deficiencies or looked into their symptoms? Your

pharmacist may have more in depth information on side effects of

depakote and information about carnitine.

If you haven't already done so, you may want to check out

Von Hilsheimer's web page. He's been in the field of biofeedback

since its beginning decades ago. You will find lots of useful

nutritional and other information there as well.

[http://www.hyperactivekids.com/].

Zoe

p.s.

You might also try a google search on " depakote " " epilepsy " " liver

function "

Depakote.com - EpilepsyDEPAKOTE ER - #1 Branded Treatment in

Epilepsy ... Liver function tests should be performed prior to

therapy and at frequent intervals thereafter, ...

http://www.depakote.com/pro/epilepsy/safety.cfm

and one on " metabolic disorders " " behavior " " adhd "

50 Conditions that Mimic ADHDADHD is diagnosed by health

professionals who form their opinion by observing a child's behavior.

There are no brain scans, blood tests, or anything else ...

adhdparentssupportgroup.homestead.com/

50conditionsmimicingADHD~ns4.html

Valproic Acid, Depakene Syrup, Depakene, Depakote, Divalproex ...Also

indexed as: Depakene Syrup®, Depakene®, Depakote®, ... One study

showed that blood levels of vitamin D in males taking anticonvulsants

were lower than ...

http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/1535009.html

Rett Syndrome Information and ResourcesThe use of valproate

(Depakote) may be associated with carnitine deficiency. What are the

symptoms of carnitine deficiency? Clinical symptoms include muscle ...

http://www.rettsyndrome.org/main/carnitine.htm

Epilepsy Drugs: Nutrients Depleted, Brand Names, Usage,

Warnings ...Depacon®; Depakene®; Depakote®; Corticotropin (ACTH).

Sources: Research References/Bibliography ... Biotin, Folic Acid,

Vitamin D. US Brand Names: ...

http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/

edisease/epilepsy/epilepsydrugs.html

Valproic Acid, Depakene Syrup, Depakene, Depakote, Divalproex ...Also

indexed as: Depakene Syrup®, Depakene®, Depakote®, ... which may be

related to drug-induced vitamin D deficiency.6 Two infants born to

women taking ...

http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/1535009.html

***Please note that it is very important to get the test described

here to get an accurate sense of the vitamin D levels.********

Test Values and Treatment for Vitamin D Deficiency 2/23/02

Recent changes in commercial testing of vitamin D allow us to easily

adjust

vitamin D levels to optimal ranges without any fear of toxicity.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vitamin_d_deficiency.htm

What are the most common side effects of Depakote ER? (Basic ...Most

people who take Depakote ER don't have too much trouble with side

effects. ... Taking both calcium and vitamin D may help to prevent

this kind of ...

http://www.epilepsy.com/medications/b_depakoteer_side.html

The Great Plains Laboratory, your center of testing and analysis ...

Some reference labs only test for 5 or 6 diseases or don't even list

what ...

of carnitine deficiency and in medium chain acyl dehydrogenase

deficiency. ...

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/test1comp.html

There Is Hope

He knew of carnitine deficiency but had no idea how to test for it.

He seemed

very skeptical. He told me to accept her condition and stop grasping

for ...

http://www.tell-us-your-story.com/_disc280/00000019.htm

-- In , " H. " <amheartfield@...>

wrote:

>

> He needs mood stabilization, adhd, etc. I wish he weren't on ANY

meds and

> am looking into neurofeedback therapy.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Diane

> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:21 AM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Seizures and behavior

>

>

>

> Why was he on meds before he started any seizures?

>

> >>> amheartfield@... 1/30/2006 12:04:16 AM >>>

> Hi there. I posted here a while back you were all very helpful. I

> read

> your posts daily and am amazed at your level of knowledge and

> experience.

> I'm hoping someone might have a suggestion for us.

>

> Here's a little background and I can provide more if needed. My son

> (5)

> began having seizures in July of last year and was in the hospital

for

> about

> 2 weeks getting them under control. Then again in August. He was

free

> of

> seizures for 3 months and then had 2 complex partials in one day,

both

> less

> than a minute. Now, over the past week he has been having complex

> partials

> at night and the only way I know (other than the 2 that I actually

saw

> on

> Friday) is that he wets the bed. Also, his behavior has gotten

> atrocious.

> He's whiny, has a very low tolerance level, etc. There haven't been

> any

> real med changes (he's on Carbatrol).

>

> There are a couple of things that are new, though. He started

sensory

> integration therapy on January 18th and has been twice. And, his 18

> month

> old sister had a 24-hour bug a few days ago.

>

> The other note I wanted to make was that back in July, before this

> whole

> seizure thing began, his behavior had begun to escalate. When we

went

> to

> see his psychiatrist his med was changed from Tenex to Depakote and

> then had

> his first (known) seizure that next morning in the early hours.

Now,

> I

> don't think it was the Depakote causing the seizure, I believe it

was

> the

> med change. Regardless, it's just the behavior thing that is so

> similar.

>

> I guess my question is can these seizures cause their behavior to go

> haywire

> like this? And if so, what can I do to help it?

>

>

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> In raising my children I have lost my mind but found my soul. -

> Shepherd

>

>

>

>

>

>

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