Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 > >I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. >It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > >This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > >I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > >Lois Bowen >Tucson Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. I respectfully disagree. Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. Freels 2948 Windfield Circle Tucker, GA 30084-6714 770-491-6776 (phone) 404-725-4520 (cell) 815-366-7962 (fax) mailto:david@... http://www. .com http://www.davidfreels.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 , Thank you for the post. Also, thank you for finally posting some information in the defense of Ed. He deserves being defended as he has done much for HBOT. As far as the posts regarding the debate between and Ed, 's comments did go over the limit and were indeed (by law) slanderous. There is a difference is voicing one's opinion and deliberately making a false oral statement that injures the character or reputation of another person. However, Ed did err with his replies to . With that being said, I can understand totally why he might have " flown of the handle. " This " debate " about Ed and Cherish v. needs to come to an end. Also, I would really like to see an apology from to Ed. Her slanderous comments towards CHERISH were not only unfounded, unjust, and hurtful but they were also not called for. With that being said, I know that both of them are very passionate about these discussions, what ever their motives might be. For once, if apologies could be made, and they/we could focus all of the negative into a proper direction, we ALL might get somewhere. This will be my last post regarding this situation due to the fact that it does nothing to help the cause. I don't really care how Ed makes his money, he does much to help the cause. Enough said. Thank you, Brett From: Freels <dfreels@...> Subject: [ ] On a Father's Day. medicaid Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:24 PM  > >I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. >It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > >This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > >I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > >Lois Bowen >Tucson Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. I respectfully disagree. Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. Freels 2948 Windfield Circle Tucker, GA 30084-6714 770-491-6776 (phone) 404-725-4520 (cell) 815-366-7962 (fax) mailto:david@... http://www. .com http://www.davidfreels.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Yeah, I agree. , apologize to Ed. It's not that hard. Just do it so we can move on. If possible you should go to the HBOT2010 Symposium in July. Ed will be a speaker on the recent autism study that took place through CHERISH. Maybe you both could meet and greet and agree to join forces to go after the real enemies. DF [ ] On a Father's Day. >medicaid >Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:24 PM > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. > >>It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > >> > >>This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > >> > >>I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > >> > >>Lois Bowen > >>Tucson > > > >Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. > > > >There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. > > > >I respectfully disagree. > > > >Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. > > > >Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. > > > >Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. > > > >The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. > > > >Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. > > > >Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. > > > >That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. > > > >I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. > > > >Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. > > > >I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. > > > >Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. > > > >In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. > > > >Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. > > > >My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. > > > >I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. > > > >I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. > > > >Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. > > > > Freels > >2948 Windfield Circle > >Tucker, GA 30084-6714 > >770-491-6776 (phone) > >404-725-4520 (cell) > >815-366-7962 (fax) > > > >mailto:david@... > > > >http://www. .com > > > >http://www.davidfreels.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 If offended you ED I'm sorry. By the way Brett I owe you one to you just pissed me off.. After all we all make mistakes sometimes we jsut need to admit it and move on. Â Darin > >From: Freels <dfreels@...> >Subject: [ ] On a Father's Day. >medicaid >Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:24 PM > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. > >>It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > >> > >>This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > >> > >>I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > >> > >>Lois Bowen > >>Tucson > > > >Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. > > > >There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. > > > >I respectfully disagree. > > > >Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. > > > >Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. > > > >Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. > > > >The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. > > > >Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. > > > >Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. > > > >That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. > > > >I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. > > > >Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. > > > >I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. > > > >Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. > > > >In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. > > > >Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. > > > >My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. > > > >I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. > > > >I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. > > > >Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. > > > > Freels > >2948 Windfield Circle > >Tucker, GA 30084-6714 > >770-491-6776 (phone) > >404-725-4520 (cell) > >815-366-7962 (fax) > > > >mailto:david@... > > > >http://www. .com > > > >http://www.davidfreels.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I asked nothing wrong folks. All I asked was for proof and documentation from Healing Dives (per FDA documentation rules that I posted). Ed & Brett jumped all over me calling me a names (I will not repeat them as they were foul names). Ed went on to insult me, my financial status and my looks. Where did this come from. I never said he was doing anything wrong with his foundation. Hey, if he found a loophole in his business, then more power to him. Loopholes are legal and people get paid bug bucks to find them. That said and based on what said, I am certain Ed is a good guy and does great things. But that does not warrant him bashing me for asking Diane for documentation showing that the chambers she sells are legal in those countries she listed. If any of you are on the NeuroHBOT list you may have heard that Hartsoe has found that 2 kids have actually died in modified chambers and is trying to find out the details. When/if that is proven by Hartsoe, how will each of you meet your maker knowing you defended her actions and allowed it? It is Father's Day today and the father's of those two kids that may have died has to weigh on YOUR shoulders Dianne! That said, forgive me for asking tough questions and not taking " trust me, I am educated and have history in this industry " as an answer. When I get run-around I see something fishy and ask tougher questions. Beyond that, I never implied or suggested you did anything wrong. If your attorney wants to sue me, tell him to email me the papers as I work with attorneys and they have read all the posts as well. They saw nothing wrong in my statements but did see slander/libel coming from you. > > From: Freels <dfreels@...> > Subject: [ ] On a Father's Day. > medicaid > Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:24 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. > > >It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > > > > > >This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > > > > > >I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > > > > > >Lois Bowen > > >Tucson > > > > Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. > > > > There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. > > > > I respectfully disagree. > > > > Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. > > > > Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. > > > > Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. > > > > The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. > > > > Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. > > > > Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. > > > > That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. > > > > I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. > > > > Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. > > > > I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. > > > > Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. > > > > In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. > > > > Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. > > > > My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. > > > > I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. > > > > I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. > > > > Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. > > > > Freels > > 2948 Windfield Circle > > Tucker, GA 30084-6714 > > 770-491-6776 (phone) > > 404-725-4520 (cell) > > 815-366-7962 (fax) > > > > mailto:david@... > > > > http://www. .com > > > > http://www.davidfreels.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Apology accepted. I am sorry that I misinterpreted what you wrote. No worries. > >From: Freels <dfreels@...> >Subject: [ ] On a Father's Day. >medicaid >Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:24 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. > >>It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > >> > >>This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > >> > >>I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > >> > >>Lois Bowen > >>Tucson > > > >Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. > > > >There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. > > > >I respectfully disagree. > > > >Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. > > > >Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. > > > >Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. > > > >The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. > > > >Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. > > > >Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. > > > >That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. > > > >I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. > > > >Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. > > > >I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. > > > >Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. > > > >In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. > > > >Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. > > > >My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. > > > >I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. > > > >I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. > > > >Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. > > > > Freels > >2948 Windfield Circle > >Tucker, GA 30084-6714 > >770-491-6776 (phone) > >404-725-4520 (cell) > >815-366-7962 (fax) > > > >mailto:david@... > > > >http://www. .com > > > >http://www.davidfreels.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I will try to attend the conference. Problem is the registration is so high. If I can afford to be there, I will... but I usually only can beg to go to places like that. Ed, I can save you a $. Register me and I will be there. You can personally serve me your legal papers. It would be cheaper than a process server. . > > > >From: Freels <dfreels@...> > >Subject: [ ] On a Father's Day. > >medicaid > >Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 7:24 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>I've been on these lists for more years than I can remember. And I rarely post anything. But when so much of this bickering is going on, new members cannot get the real information they need to help their families. All it does is drive away the good hard working families looking for help and emotional support. And it drives away those who have the knowledge and information to help these families. > > > >>It seems some people only know how to function in upheaval and drama. Those of us who only want to help our families and our friends don't have time for this drama. We have enough in our own lives. > > > >> > > > >>This has all gotten away from Medicaid reimbursement. > > > >> > > > >>I stand with Ed,,Harch,Brett and all the others who work so hard to further this cause and help families in need. > > > >> > > > >>Lois Bowen > > > >>Tucson > > > > > > > >Like many--if not all of you--I've been depressed and even very depressed over the events that have escalated into a downward, out-of-control spiral into some dark abyss I never knew existed. It feels like I'm in mourning, yet no one has died; instead, it's a some thing that has died. Maybe some trust has died. Some hope has died. Worse, I guess, maybe a relationship has died, though I hope not. Just changed, maybe. > > > > > > > >There's been a birth of something we didn't know existed, a species of something we're not sure of and something I'm not really sure I want to know what it is. I've watched and heard and even felt some of the terribly hard labor pains and I've even been blamed for causing the pains. > > > > > > > >I respectfully disagree. > > > > > > > >Our friend Ed told his lawyers to draw up papers and he's threatened to sue members of this group because they've expressed doubt in his claims, and they've asked for documentation. For a 501c3, that documentation must be freely available on demand. By law. It's been requested, but it never appeared from Ed. Instead, we got more threats, more insults, and more than a few lectures. I've always assumed everything I've heard and been told, but a couple of days ago I was threatened with a lawsuit as well. I was given an order on how I'm to manage this group. > > > > > > > >Well, here's what I think. First, I don't think Ed or anybody else ever has any legal ground at all to sue anybody on a listserv. He's here voluntarily and participates in discussion(s) voluntarily. He's free to leave or stay, participate or not--as are all members. The history of this list (like many, if not all) is that on occasion it gets heated and pointed when it's suspected or confirmed that members misrepresent themselves or assert something that's untrue to the detriment of the majority of the membership. > > > > > > > >Second, suspicions die when confirmation or documentation is made. If it becomes obvious that misrepresentation occurred membership can be suspended or posting privileges shift to a moderated status, i.e., Hartsoe, Tom Fox, spammers, etc. Ed has witnessed all of this and has remained here nonetheless at the risk of exposure to his truth should he choose to remain. > > > > > > > >The preamble to the current debate surrounding the $12,000,000 legal decision against Performance has included dozens of well-documented posts over the last 6 months to a year substantiating the underhandedness and questionable business practices of Performance. Throughout, Ed remained silent. Of course, that's his choice. I personally had no idea he was selling portable chambers or CHERISH was selling portable chambers or whatever, and I don't care one way or another, but Ed's reaction to the announcement or revelation of the lawsuit and it's decision resulted in a series of vents from Ed that frankly surprised a lot of people, including me. > > > > > > > >Well, naturally people began asking him questions after his defense of Performance and questioning the validity of this legal decision, and now members are asking for substantiation of his credentials and other claims about his charity for which, by the way, he's solicited contributions from members of this group. > > > > > > > >Consequently, he didn't like the questions and insulted members of this group (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was made regarding how far and wide Ed has traveled, how much money he's made, and how many jelly doughnuts he accused somebody of eating and how much cellulite they had.) Next, he threatened legal action against member(s) of this group. He said his lawyer advised including me in the suit since I'm the owner and moderator of the group. > > > > > > > >That kind of stuff is very disappointing. And hurtful. To everybody. > > > > > > > >I was very upset, especially when nothing came forth regarding documentation of CHERISH as an official 501c3 nonprofit, and then Brett and Stephani made their posts. > > > > > > > >Thank you both. I was thrilled to find CHERISH listed on the IRS page and on the Guidestar page. My hope is restored. Faith will be next. > > > > > > > >I will share some other things about Ed Nemeth, lest we forget. In 2001 he sponsored and produced the 2nd International Symposium on HBOT for the Brain Injured Child. It may have been the best of all the symposiums. I remember more details from that one than all the others combined. It was a game-changer, and Ed was the catalyst, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. > > > > > > > >Ed produced a special on HBOT for The Discovery Channel. Another time he sponsored a live debate between those physicians who believed the 2001 Collet study was legitimate and those who did not. He has two HBOT clinics. One in Sacramento and one in (I believe) Santa . At one point the state of California attempted to close him down for something, but he still remains open. I'm trying to remember all this off the top of my head so I may not have all the details, and I may leave something out. > > > > > > > >In 2007 or 2008 he valiantly fought to force California's ALTA to reimburse HBOT for pediatric brain-injury. I'm still unclear on ALTA except that if he'd won, it would have forced Medi-Cal to also reimburse HBOT. Unfortunately, he couldn't afford an attorney to help him with the ALTA case, as I'm sure that would have helped. > > > > > > > >Also in 2001 or maybe 2003--somewhere in there--Ed persuaded his state senator to propose legislation that would have made it illegal--wait, I'm going to look this one up. It was 2002, and Ed wisely put forth that based on the EPSDT statute, HBOT for CP and other conditions was covered by Medicaid, but all third-party payers must also cover HBOT for brain-injury and not just Medicaid. > > > > > > > >My point is that Ed has worked very hard in his own way to improve the quality of life for my son, his daughter, and all other brain-injured children. > > > > > > > >I do not understand the recent rash of anger, but it's disappointing to say the least. But I want to say something else about Ed Nemeth. He's a Dad who's in the same fight I am. In many ways we've had a parallel journey. Sometimes we've diverged, but we're still after the same thing. > > > > > > > >I have two other brothers and a sister. Occasionally I get angry with them. Not in awhile, but it was weekly if not daily or even hourly when we were growing up. Despite that anger, I still loved them and love them still, and that's the way I choose to look at this situation, this circumstance. I can get angry at somebody and still love them. I can be disappointed in somebody and still love them. > > > > > > > >Sometimes those moments of anger and disappointment can lead to a better understanding of who it is that I'm angry with or disappointed in. That's how I'm going to choose to look at this. > > > > > > > > Freels > > > >2948 Windfield Circle > > > >Tucker, GA 30084-6714 > > > >770-491-6776 (phone) > > > >404-725-4520 (cell) > > > >815-366-7962 (fax) > > > > > > > >mailto:david@... > > > > > > > >http://www. .com > > > > > > > >http://www.davidfreels.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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