Guest guest Posted December 25, 2010 Report Share Posted December 25, 2010 Hi Bee. I just wondered what your take might be on this please? I appear to have (and have probably had for years) small intestinal bacterial overgrowth - when colonic bacteria has invaded the small intestine and possibly even up into the liver and pancreas. I obviously don't want to take antibiotics to deal with this, but it seems that some success has been had with the use of enteric-coated peppermint oil capsules. I have been on your diet for 8 months, but this is proving to be very stubborn. It seems that the peppermint oil helps to relax the muscles and allow the gut to 'sweep' the bugs back down to the colon over time. It is possible that I have some nerve and/or muscle damage to my gut motility due to Diabetes and Celiac damage, too, although I do not have much in the way of other 'diabetic complications' generally, having kept fairly low-carb until starting your diet. I have felt for a while that my body is not getting enough benefit from the supplements and food I am having, but it does seem that the colonic bacteria in the small bowel can draw off a lot of nutrition before it gets a chance to be absorbed. This has been very hard-going for me. My stomach emptying has slowed right down to 8-9 hours or even more over the last few weeks. Whilst my digestion hasn't always worked that well, and in the last three years has deteriorated, it just feels as though I am going backwards at the moment. It is getting worse rather than better and is definitely NOT retracing. As the food is going through my gut it feels as if someone is pushing their knuckles into my back above my waist, and I have never experienced anything like this before - it has been going on way too long too. It is quite obvious that until I can get this digestive issue sorted my body is not going to be getting much, if any, benefit from the diet. Whilst not a lot is known about this issue, it is possible that any fiber could make things worse, so I am thinking of doing the protein and fat diet only for a bit to see if that helps - do you think that is worth trying? Can I ask too please if you think Slippery Elm could help with my gut motility, or could that exacerbate the SIBO? What about the yeast flakes too, would I be better off on a B Complex tablet instead? I just don't want to take anything that will encourage these beggars! Ali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2010 Report Share Posted December 25, 2010 > > Hi Bee. I just wondered what your take might be on this please? > > I appear to have (and have probably had for years) small intestinal bacterial overgrowth - when colonic bacteria has invaded the small intestine and possibly even up into the liver and pancreas. > > I obviously don't want to take antibiotics to deal with this, but it seems that some success has been had with the use of enteric-coated peppermint oil capsules. > > I have been on your diet for 8 months, but this is proving to be very stubborn. It seems that the peppermint oil helps to relax the muscles and allow the gut to 'sweep' the bugs back down to the colon over time. It is possible that I have some nerve and/or muscle damage to my gut motility due to Diabetes and Celiac damage, too, although I do not have much in the way of other 'diabetic complications' generally, having kept fairly low-carb until starting your diet. > > I have felt for a while that my body is not getting enough benefit from the supplements and food I am having, but it does seem that the colonic bacteria in the small bowel can draw off a lot of nutrition before it gets a chance to be absorbed. > > This has been very hard-going for me. My stomach emptying has slowed right down to 8-9 hours or even more over the last few weeks. Whilst my digestion hasn't always worked that well, and in the last three years has deteriorated, it just feels as though I am going backwards at the moment. It is getting worse rather than better and is definitely NOT retracing. As the food is going through my gut it feels as if someone is pushing their knuckles into my back above my waist, and I have never experienced anything like this before - it has been going on way too long too. > > It is quite obvious that until I can get this digestive issue sorted my body is not going to be getting much, if any, benefit from the diet. > > Whilst not a lot is known about this issue, it is possible that any fiber could make things worse, so I am thinking of doing the protein and fat diet only for a bit to see if that helps - do you think that is worth trying? > > Can I ask too please if you think Slippery Elm could help with my gut motility, or could that exacerbate the SIBO? What about the yeast flakes too, would I be better off on a B Complex tablet instead? I just don't want to take anything that will encourage these beggars! > +++Hi Ali, Were you diagnoses by a doctor, so that's why you think you have SIBO? I ask that because there can be many other reasons for the symptoms you are having. I don't suggest you take Slippery Elm or anything else, but I do suggest you do these things: 1) My 9-Day Program, but you may have to stay on all liquid and pureed foods longer than 2 days, in which case you'd only do the enemas for 9 days, and then do them every 4-5 days. Note: You should probably switch over to Vitamin B Complex supplements instead of the nutritional yeast flakes. I'd try do this program before trying an all meat and fat diet. 2) Do abdominal massages: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/massage1.php 3) Do deep breathing exercises regularly to ensure your body is not running on its fight/flight nervous system: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php I hope this helps Ali. Keep me posted. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Hi Bee. No I have not been diagnosed by a doctor - mainly because the hydrogen breath test needed for diagnosis would involve drinking a mush of glucose. That would not be a good idea because a) I am Diabetic, and the glucose would just give the bugs more fuel, and c) If I do have carbs in any quantity I get horrendous gas that makes everything swell up, sends my BP through the roof and makes me feel as though I might have a heart attack! However, the foul putrid breath that has been a constant companion for many years does suggest that there are fecal-converting bacteria in my upper GI tract, the fact that I cannot lose weight, the fact that the nutrition I am having does not seem to be benefiting ME in the way it should do, the fact that as a Diabetic my gut motility may well be compromised, the fact that I have had copious antibiotics in the past, especially as a child and the fatigue started when I was about 15, that SIBO appears to be linked to chronic fatigue, and IBS, which I had for 12 years, amongst other things are all big clues. I suspect also that the discomfort I have been feeling in my left side, is down to impacted foods in my upper GI. Interestingly, when I couldn't sleep for the digestive discomfort the other night, I got up around 3.30 am and had some peppermint tea with a spoonful of coconut oil. Within ten to fifteen minutes I had an incredible feeling of tension release in my back and gut. The peppermint relaxes the gut and helps the motility. I did also have some slippery elm before posting this and I have to say that it has helped my 'transit' no end. I only had about half a teaspoonful in with my lemon drink. Interestingly, after I had the peppermint tea, I also got restless legs for a while which is a 'gluten' response in me. That suggested to me that the relaxation of the gut helped to move some impacted stuff that was trapped. Considering I have been off gluten for three years, it obviously hadn't moved before. My idea of taking the peppermint and SE is not to in any way try and 'kill' the bugs. If I did that, I could end up 'killing' them in my colon too and I certainly don't want to do that, but the point is to try and push them back to where they belong - to get them out of the upper GI and back to the colon. When I had the IBS for 12 years - it was predominantly diarrhea. All my food was just racing through my gut and out the other end. Stopping gluten put paid to the diarrhea, but then I became more constipated. I feel that it is likely the SIBO was an element long before the IBS started, but the rapid transit managed to keep it under control. Since going gluten-free and the process 'firming up', it is likely that damage in my gut resulted in diverticuli and pockets of impacted matter being stuck. Because the food is in my gut longer now they have more opportunity to 'indulge'. Certainly all the three years I have been gluten-free, and even since being on your diet the last 9 months has not improved the gut issues I have been having. It does feel like something is stuck in my left side so anything I can do to release that has to be a benefit. Although it has only been three days since I had the SE and have been having a couple of cups of peppermint tea each day it does feel a LOT easier. I certainly feel that I am on the right track with this. I do feel that your diet is right and am still continuing with it, but until I can move these critters out and back to their own home, they are absorbing the nutrition and are robbing me of the benefit. I obviously don't want to go the antibiotic route - in the long term they don't work and just make things worse, so I need to use whatever IS available to me to deal with this. The digestive issues have meant that I am losing a lot of sleep and that isn't helping my body to heal either. Many regards, Ali. http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/digestive-health/nutritionarticles\ /zaidelarticle.pdf http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/digestive-health/nutritionarticles\ /dibaisearticle.pdf > > > > > Hi Bee. I just wondered what your take might be on this please? > > > > I appear to have (and have probably had for years) small intestinal bacterial overgrowth - when colonic bacteria has invaded the small intestine and possibly even up into the liver and pancreas. > > > > I obviously don't want to take antibiotics to deal with this, but it seems that some success has been had with the use of enteric-coated peppermint oil capsules. > > > > I have been on your diet for 8 months, but this is proving to be very stubborn. It seems that the peppermint oil helps to relax the muscles and allow the gut to 'sweep' the bugs back down to the colon over time. It is possible that I have some nerve and/or muscle damage to my gut motility due to Diabetes and Celiac damage, too, although I do not have much in the way of other 'diabetic complications' generally, having kept fairly low-carb until starting your diet. > > > > I have felt for a while that my body is not getting enough benefit from the supplements and food I am having, but it does seem that the colonic bacteria in the small bowel can draw off a lot of nutrition before it gets a chance to be absorbed. > > > > This has been very hard-going for me. My stomach emptying has slowed right down to 8-9 hours or even more over the last few weeks. Whilst my digestion hasn't always worked that well, and in the last three years has deteriorated, it just feels as though I am going backwards at the moment. It is getting worse rather than better and is definitely NOT retracing. As the food is going through my gut it feels as if someone is pushing their knuckles into my back above my waist, and I have never experienced anything like this before - it has been going on way too long too. > > > > It is quite obvious that until I can get this digestive issue sorted my body is not going to be getting much, if any, benefit from the diet. > > > > Whilst not a lot is known about this issue, it is possible that any fiber could make things worse, so I am thinking of doing the protein and fat diet only for a bit to see if that helps - do you think that is worth trying? > > > > Can I ask too please if you think Slippery Elm could help with my gut motility, or could that exacerbate the SIBO? What about the yeast flakes too, would I be better off on a B Complex tablet instead? I just don't want to take anything that will encourage these beggars! > > > +++Hi Ali, > > Were you diagnoses by a doctor, so that's why you think you have SIBO? I ask that because there can be many other reasons for the symptoms you are having. > > I don't suggest you take Slippery Elm or anything else, but I do suggest you do these things: > > 1) My 9-Day Program, but you may have to stay on all liquid and pureed foods longer than 2 days, in which case you'd only do the enemas for 9 days, and then do them every 4-5 days. Note: You should probably switch over to Vitamin B Complex supplements instead of the nutritional yeast flakes. I'd try do this program before trying an all meat and fat diet. > > 2) Do abdominal massages: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/massage1.php > > 3) Do deep breathing exercises regularly to ensure your body is not running on its fight/flight nervous system: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php > > I hope this helps Ali. Keep me posted. > > All the best, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 > > Hi Bee. No I have not been diagnosed by a doctor - mainly because the hydrogen breath test needed for diagnosis would involve drinking a mush of glucose. That would not be a good idea because a) I am Diabetic, and the glucose would just give the bugs more fuel, and c) If I do have carbs in any quantity I get horrendous gas that makes everything swell up, sends my BP through the roof and makes me feel as though I might have a heart attack! > > However, the foul putrid breath that has been a constant companion for many years does suggest that there are fecal-converting bacteria in my upper GI tract, the fact that I cannot lose weight, the fact that the nutrition I am having does not seem to be benefiting ME in the way it should do, the fact that as a Diabetic my gut motility may well be compromised, the fact that I have had copious antibiotics in the past, especially as a child and the fatigue started when I was about 15, that SIBO appears to be linked to chronic fatigue, and IBS, which I had for 12 years, amongst other things are all big clues. > > I suspect also that the discomfort I have been feeling in my left side, is down to impacted foods in my upper GI. Interestingly, when I couldn't sleep for the digestive discomfort the other night, I got up around 3.30 am and had some peppermint tea with a spoonful of coconut oil. Within ten to fifteen minutes I had an incredible feeling of tension release in my back and gut. > The peppermint relaxes the gut and helps the motility. I did also have some slippery elm before posting this and I have to say that it has helped my 'transit' no end. I only had about half a teaspoonful in with my lemon drink. > > Interestingly, after I had the peppermint tea, I also got restless legs for a while which is a 'gluten' response in me. That suggested to me that the relaxation of the gut helped to move some impacted stuff that was trapped. Considering I have been off gluten for three years, it obviously hadn't moved before. > > My idea of taking the peppermint and SE is not to in any way try and 'kill' the bugs. If I did that, I could end up 'killing' them in my colon too and I certainly don't want to do that, but the point is to try and push them back to where they belong - to get them out of the upper GI and back to the colon. > > When I had the IBS for 12 years - it was predominantly diarrhea. All my food was just racing through my gut and out the other end. Stopping gluten put paid to the diarrhea, but then I became more constipated. I feel that it is likely the SIBO was an element long before the IBS started, but the rapid transit managed to keep it under control. Since going gluten-free and the process 'firming up', it is likely that damage in my gut resulted in diverticuli and pockets of impacted matter being stuck. Because the food is in my gut longer now they have more opportunity to 'indulge'. <snip> +++Hi Ali. Since you've had IBS for 12 years it will take 12 months and maybe longer for your body to retrace all of your past symptoms related to it. If the peppermint tea and SE help it's okay to have them, but don't go overboard. Peppermint tea is diuretic. Also follow my list of suggestions in my message, i.e. 9-Day program, deep breathing, etc. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Okay Bee - thank you. Ali. > > > > Hi Bee. No I have not been diagnosed by a doctor - mainly because the hydrogen breath test needed for diagnosis would involve drinking a mush of glucose. That would not be a good idea because a) I am Diabetic, and the glucose would just give the bugs more fuel, and c) If I do have carbs in any quantity I get horrendous gas that makes everything swell up, sends my BP through the roof and makes me feel as though I might have a heart attack! > > > > However, the foul putrid breath that has been a constant companion for many years does suggest that there are fecal-converting bacteria in my upper GI tract, the fact that I cannot lose weight, the fact that the nutrition I am having does not seem to be benefiting ME in the way it should do, the fact that as a Diabetic my gut motility may well be compromised, the fact that I have had copious antibiotics in the past, especially as a child and the fatigue started when I was about 15, that SIBO appears to be linked to chronic fatigue, and IBS, which I had for 12 years, amongst other things are all big clues. > > > > I suspect also that the discomfort I have been feeling in my left side, is down to impacted foods in my upper GI. Interestingly, when I couldn't sleep for the digestive discomfort the other night, I got up around 3.30 am and had some peppermint tea with a spoonful of coconut oil. Within ten to fifteen minutes I had an incredible feeling of tension release in my back and gut. > > > The peppermint relaxes the gut and helps the motility. I did also have some slippery elm before posting this and I have to say that it has helped my 'transit' no end. I only had about half a teaspoonful in with my lemon drink. > > > > Interestingly, after I had the peppermint tea, I also got restless legs for a while which is a 'gluten' response in me. That suggested to me that the relaxation of the gut helped to move some impacted stuff that was trapped. Considering I have been off gluten for three years, it obviously hadn't moved before. > > > > My idea of taking the peppermint and SE is not to in any way try and 'kill' the bugs. If I did that, I could end up 'killing' them in my colon too and I certainly don't want to do that, but the point is to try and push them back to where they belong - to get them out of the upper GI and back to the colon. > > > > When I had the IBS for 12 years - it was predominantly diarrhea. All my food was just racing through my gut and out the other end. Stopping gluten put paid to the diarrhea, but then I became more constipated. I feel that it is likely the SIBO was an element long before the IBS started, but the rapid transit managed to keep it under control. Since going gluten-free and the process 'firming up', it is likely that damage in my gut resulted in diverticuli and pockets of impacted matter being stuck. Because the food is in my gut longer now they have more opportunity to 'indulge'. <snip> > > +++Hi Ali. Since you've had IBS for 12 years it will take 12 months and maybe longer for your body to retrace all of your past symptoms related to it. If the peppermint tea and SE help it's okay to have them, but don't go overboard. Peppermint tea is diuretic. > > Also follow my list of suggestions in my message, i.e. 9-Day program, deep breathing, etc. > > Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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