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In a message dated 11/16/04 12:38:58 PM Central Daylight Time,

sonia1md@... writes:

> How long do you think it will take before we start seeing some relief

> with the use of the pred?

>

>

Hi ,

If you had kept Aundrea at home you probably would have seen improvement

within a couple of hours.It works very quickly and in a couple days you should

see

even more improvement.She should start having less stiffness and pain.

The only problem with the rapid taper is they didn't do anything differant

with DMARDS so the pred is just sugar coating the actual problem.The taper most

likely will cause the symptoms to come back more and more as the dose is

lessened.

I pray it doesn't and she just needs a little something to help get her over

this flare.

Hugs

Becki and 6 systemic

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Hey . I am sorry to hear that Aundrea has had to resort to prednisone.

With that dosage, you should see a difference in a few days. I would be

shocked if it takes more than a week. You are staying at 20mg for 5 days? If

she isn't feeling better in 5 days I would speak with her rheumy before

tapering if down to 15mg. Caroline was on 30mg for about 6+ months and it

did wonders. We are now down to about 5 mg daily, but we can't budge from

that amount.

Good luck. I hope she continues to take them. It must have been so sad to

find all those pills :(. Poor kid!

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

starting prednisone

Hello everyone,

Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting Aundrea some

crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I looked back at

her health jounal I could see how everything just really went down

hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred will stop the

flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is starting on

20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days. (Does that

dosing seem normal to you guys?)

Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed prednisone

for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she wasn't

improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over the house.

Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take every one

of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again she is in

so much pain that I think she might try anything.

How long do you think it will take before we start seeing some relief

with the use of the pred?

(Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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Hi I'm actually new here. I have a 2 year old (Madison) with Pauci onset

JRA and now her NEW Ped. Rheumy is considering her Poly JRA 5 joints to

date. Her doctor just put her on Methotrexate once a week (.2 ml) and

prednisolone daily 3 cc then tapering to 1 cc.

Madison has been on the Prednisolone for 6 days now and even with the very

first dose she wasn't walking with her leg stiff anymore so it worked pretty

quickly on her.

Hope this helps and I am enjoying reading all of your posts!

Thanks!!!!!

Ashlee (Madison, 2 Poly)

starting prednisone

Hello everyone,

Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting Aundrea some

crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I looked back at

her health jounal I could see how everything just really went down

hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred will stop the

flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is starting on

20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days. (Does that

dosing seem normal to you guys?)

Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed prednisone

for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she wasn't

improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over the house.

Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take every one

of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again she is in

so much pain that I think she might try anything.

How long do you think it will take before we start seeing some relief

with the use of the pred?

(Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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-..

Sorry about the prednisone.. It's such a love it/hate it drug. Are

they changing any of her other meds. I'm just conerned that a quick

burst of prednisone is not helping the underlaying trend that it

seems Aundreas symptoms are getting worse???? Obviously something is

going on with her that her current meds are not doing enough to keep

under control.

I hope im not being too outspoken here, just voicing my opinion, for

what its worth :o))))

What did he say about the crutches?? wont they be too hard on her

wrists if shes also having wrist problems.??

Hope she starts to feel better soon, im sure she will on the pred.

Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

-- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting Aundrea some

> crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

> Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I looked back

at

> her health jounal I could see how everything just really went down

> hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred will stop

the

> flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

>

> So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is starting on

> 20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days. (Does that

> dosing seem normal to you guys?)

>

> Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed

prednisone

> for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she wasn't

> improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over the

house.

> Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take every

one

> of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again she is

in

> so much pain that I think she might try anything.

>

> How long do you think it will take before we start seeing some

relief

> with the use of the pred?

>

> (Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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Thanks for all of your comments regarding the pred as well as

mentioning your concerns. I always learn so much from everyone on

this list.

I recognize what you guys are saying about not changing the DMARDS.

Aundrea has been on the Plaquenil since last March. After a couple

of months she started doing wonderful. Her last flare that put her

in bed for a week was this past July. The problem seems to be that

this is the time of year (at least according to how things went last

year) that things start to spin out of control. Apparently, that is

true for a lot of the systemics.

I guess from what I can understand the rheumy wants to try this

tapered dose of pred and if it doesn't keep things at bay then she

will consider other drugs.

We have only been going to this doctor since last March and thats

when she put Aundrea on the Plaquenil. Until this month she was

doing great.

Tell me what you guys have seen as the normal course of events that

your doctors have done with meds during a flare.

Meanwhile, Aundrea has just gone to lay down for another nap and I am

hoping to see some real improvement when she wakes up!

-

P.S. you are right about the crutches being a problem with her

wrists. But until today it was the right knee that was causing the

most pain and I thought if she could get away with not bearing as

much weight on it that it might help. I stopped by Aundrea's primary

doctors office and he gave me a script for the crutches. I guess it

can't hurt to try them.

(Drea age 9 systemic)

-- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...> wrote:

>

> -..

>

> Sorry about the prednisone.. It's such a love it/hate it drug. Are

> they changing any of her other meds. I'm just conerned that a quick

> burst of prednisone is not helping the underlaying trend that it

> seems Aundreas symptoms are getting worse???? Obviously something

is

> going on with her that her current meds are not doing enough to

keep

> under control.

>

> I hope im not being too outspoken here, just voicing my opinion,

for

> what its worth :o))))

>

> What did he say about the crutches?? wont they be too hard on her

> wrists if shes also having wrist problems.??

>

> Hope she starts to feel better soon, im sure she will on the pred.

>

> Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

>

>

> -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting Aundrea some

> > crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

> > Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I looked back

> at

> > her health jounal I could see how everything just really went

down

> > hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred will stop

> the

> > flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

> >

> > So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is starting

on

> > 20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days. (Does

that

> > dosing seem normal to you guys?)

> >

> > Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed

> prednisone

> > for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she wasn't

> > improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over the

> house.

> > Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take every

> one

> > of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again she is

> in

> > so much pain that I think she might try anything.

> >

> > How long do you think it will take before we start seeing some

> relief

> > with the use of the pred?

> >

> > (Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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-Hi ...

i hope Aundrea starts to feel the benefit of the prednisone soon.

hopefully she will wake from her nap and feel a little better. Its

sad to read of so many of the systemic kids struggling now, hurts my

heart.

also had a great summer, he could sleep in when he wanted,

sometimes as much as 14-15 hours. He was in the pool everyday, which

i think was great exercise for his joints. We went 3 months with no,

or hardly any symptoms.One rhuemy visit i actually had NO journal to

take because nothing happened! I was begnning to think that we had

this thing beat, although all be it, though medication.

seems to flare now everytime we try and lower his

prednisone. When he was 1st put on mtx and prednisone ( 1st week in

feb) he was at 10mg of mtx and 10mg of prednisone....he has flared 4

times since then, each time because of a prednisone taper..the pred

is always put back up, although not as high as it was and the mtx

was increased.

We have gone from 10 to 15 to 17.5 to 20mg of MTX. His prednisone

is currently at 3mg... We were down to 5mg of pred in March, but as

you can see we have only been able to get rid of 2mg in 7 months.

The object, I believe, is to up the pred back until the increase in

MTX helps the symptoms and the pred can start to be tapered again.

Its a vicious cirlce. As Nicks rhuemy says, we are always chasing

our tails....

Nick is now maxed out on MTX ( according to body weight). Im sure

our next step will be enbrel, but we are not there yet. Theres still

hope that this last increase in MTX will be " the one " and we can

continue the pred taper next month ( ok, im kidding myself here, but

still).

I still think Nick has a milder case than a lot of the kids on the

list... I cant help but think of poor Robbie, on such high doses of

prednisone and STILL having the fevers. Even with Nicks mild case, I

see just how sick he becomes and I can only imagine just how much

sicker the others must get. This disease suxs.

So I guess my long winded ( sorry) answer to your question is, that

anytime Nick flares, his prednisone is increased back to where he

was doing ok with it and his DMARD is increased at the same time. We

wait to give the DMARD a chance to start to work and then begin the

tapering cycle again.

Make sense???? IM not sure it does to me!! LOL

Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

-- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for all of your comments regarding the pred as well as

> mentioning your concerns. I always learn so much from everyone on

> this list.

>

> I recognize what you guys are saying about not changing the DMARDS.

>

> Aundrea has been on the Plaquenil since last March. After a

couple

> of months she started doing wonderful. Her last flare that put

her

> in bed for a week was this past July. The problem seems to be

that

> this is the time of year (at least according to how things went

last

> year) that things start to spin out of control. Apparently, that

is

> true for a lot of the systemics.

>

> I guess from what I can understand the rheumy wants to try this

> tapered dose of pred and if it doesn't keep things at bay then she

> will consider other drugs.

>

> We have only been going to this doctor since last March and thats

> when she put Aundrea on the Plaquenil. Until this month she was

> doing great.

>

> Tell me what you guys have seen as the normal course of events

that

> your doctors have done with meds during a flare.

>

> Meanwhile, Aundrea has just gone to lay down for another nap and I

am

> hoping to see some real improvement when she wakes up!

> -

> P.S. you are right about the crutches being a problem with her

> wrists. But until today it was the right knee that was causing

the

> most pain and I thought if she could get away with not bearing as

> much weight on it that it might help. I stopped by Aundrea's

primary

> doctors office and he gave me a script for the crutches. I guess

it

> can't hurt to try them.

>

> (Drea age 9 systemic)

> -- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...> wrote:

> >

> > -..

> >

> > Sorry about the prednisone.. It's such a love it/hate it drug.

Are

> > they changing any of her other meds. I'm just conerned that a

quick

> > burst of prednisone is not helping the underlaying trend that it

> > seems Aundreas symptoms are getting worse???? Obviously

something

> is

> > going on with her that her current meds are not doing enough to

> keep

> > under control.

> >

> > I hope im not being too outspoken here, just voicing my opinion,

> for

> > what its worth :o))))

> >

> > What did he say about the crutches?? wont they be too hard on

her

> > wrists if shes also having wrist problems.??

> >

> > Hope she starts to feel better soon, im sure she will on the

pred.

> >

> > Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

> >

> >

> > -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting Aundrea

some

> > > crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

> > > Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I looked

back

> > at

> > > her health jounal I could see how everything just really went

> down

> > > hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred will

stop

> > the

> > > flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

> > >

> > > So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is

starting

> on

> > > 20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days. (Does

> that

> > > dosing seem normal to you guys?)

> > >

> > > Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed

> > prednisone

> > > for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she wasn't

> > > improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over the

> > house.

> > > Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take

every

> > one

> > > of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again she

is

> > in

> > > so much pain that I think she might try anything.

> > >

> > > How long do you think it will take before we start seeing some

> > relief

> > > with the use of the pred?

> > >

> > > (Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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--

Actually, Helen you made a lot of sense. I guess when I compare

Aundrea to the other kids on this list, I also come away thinking

that I guess were doing o.k. as far as how challenging it could be.

But, I definately understand what your saying about upping the DMARD

and then making the efforts to decrease the pred since it just masks

the symptoms.

Aundrea is on 200 mg. of Plaquenil daily. I think that might be the

maximum dose that they give to kids. I wonder what drug we would be

looking at next? I think said that n is on enbrel but

from what I can tell on the list lots of kids are taking Methotrexate.

You know what kind of has me worried is that we are going into flu

season and doesn't pred decrease your immune system. Have you found

that Nick is getting more illnesses since he has been on the steroids?

Makes me wish I could home-school. It sounds like Nick and Aundrea

enjoyed a similar summer. She played softball, swam every day and got

plenty of rest. When we saw the rheumy in Sept. it was all smiles as

to how great everything was. And like you I was able to leave the

health journal behind! Even got me thinking that we should be

getting ready to take her off the Plaquenil. But you know you read

that some kids do actually outgrow this dreadful disease so I thought

she might have been one of the lucky ones.

I really do appreciate your taking the time to remind me of Nicks

history and how is year has gone. It kind of reassured me that I am

doing the right thing with Aundrea.

Thanks,

(Drea age 9 systemic)

- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...> wrote:

>

> -Hi ...

>

> i hope Aundrea starts to feel the benefit of the prednisone soon.

> hopefully she will wake from her nap and feel a little better. Its

> sad to read of so many of the systemic kids struggling now, hurts

my

> heart.

>

> also had a great summer, he could sleep in when he wanted,

> sometimes as much as 14-15 hours. He was in the pool everyday,

which

> i think was great exercise for his joints. We went 3 months with

no,

> or hardly any symptoms.One rhuemy visit i actually had NO journal

to

> take because nothing happened! I was begnning to think that we had

> this thing beat, although all be it, though medication.

> seems to flare now everytime we try and lower his

> prednisone. When he was 1st put on mtx and prednisone ( 1st week in

> feb) he was at 10mg of mtx and 10mg of prednisone....he has flared

4

> times since then, each time because of a prednisone taper..the pred

> is always put back up, although not as high as it was and the mtx

> was increased.

> We have gone from 10 to 15 to 17.5 to 20mg of MTX. His prednisone

> is currently at 3mg... We were down to 5mg of pred in March, but as

> you can see we have only been able to get rid of 2mg in 7 months.

> The object, I believe, is to up the pred back until the increase in

> MTX helps the symptoms and the pred can start to be tapered again.

> Its a vicious cirlce. As Nicks rhuemy says, we are always chasing

> our tails....

>

> Nick is now maxed out on MTX ( according to body weight). Im sure

> our next step will be enbrel, but we are not there yet. Theres

still

> hope that this last increase in MTX will be " the one " and we can

> continue the pred taper next month ( ok, im kidding myself here,

but

> still).

>

> I still think Nick has a milder case than a lot of the kids on the

> list... I cant help but think of poor Robbie, on such high doses of

> prednisone and STILL having the fevers. Even with Nicks mild case,

I

> see just how sick he becomes and I can only imagine just how much

> sicker the others must get. This disease suxs.

>

> So I guess my long winded ( sorry) answer to your question is, that

> anytime Nick flares, his prednisone is increased back to where he

> was doing ok with it and his DMARD is increased at the same time.

We

> wait to give the DMARD a chance to start to work and then begin the

> tapering cycle again.

>

> Make sense???? IM not sure it does to me!! LOL

>

> Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

>

> -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for all of your comments regarding the pred as well as

> > mentioning your concerns. I always learn so much from everyone

on

> > this list.

> >

> > I recognize what you guys are saying about not changing the

DMARDS.

> >

> > Aundrea has been on the Plaquenil since last March. After a

> couple

> > of months she started doing wonderful. Her last flare that put

> her

> > in bed for a week was this past July. The problem seems to be

> that

> > this is the time of year (at least according to how things went

> last

> > year) that things start to spin out of control. Apparently, that

> is

> > true for a lot of the systemics.

> >

> > I guess from what I can understand the rheumy wants to try this

> > tapered dose of pred and if it doesn't keep things at bay then

she

> > will consider other drugs.

> >

> > We have only been going to this doctor since last March and thats

> > when she put Aundrea on the Plaquenil. Until this month she was

> > doing great.

> >

> > Tell me what you guys have seen as the normal course of events

> that

> > your doctors have done with meds during a flare.

> >

> > Meanwhile, Aundrea has just gone to lay down for another nap and

I

> am

> > hoping to see some real improvement when she wakes up!

> > -

> > P.S. you are right about the crutches being a problem with her

> > wrists. But until today it was the right knee that was causing

> the

> > most pain and I thought if she could get away with not bearing as

> > much weight on it that it might help. I stopped by Aundrea's

> primary

> > doctors office and he gave me a script for the crutches. I guess

> it

> > can't hurt to try them.

> >

> > (Drea age 9 systemic)

> > -- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > -..

> > >

> > > Sorry about the prednisone.. It's such a love it/hate it drug.

> Are

> > > they changing any of her other meds. I'm just conerned that a

> quick

> > > burst of prednisone is not helping the underlaying trend that

it

> > > seems Aundreas symptoms are getting worse???? Obviously

> something

> > is

> > > going on with her that her current meds are not doing enough to

> > keep

> > > under control.

> > >

> > > I hope im not being too outspoken here, just voicing my

opinion,

> > for

> > > what its worth :o))))

> > >

> > > What did he say about the crutches?? wont they be too hard on

> her

> > > wrists if shes also having wrist problems.??

> > >

> > > Hope she starts to feel better soon, im sure she will on the

> pred.

> > >

> > > Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting Aundrea

> some

> > > > crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

> > > > Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I looked

> back

> > > at

> > > > her health jounal I could see how everything just really went

> > down

> > > > hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred will

> stop

> > > the

> > > > flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

> > > >

> > > > So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is

> starting

> > on

> > > > 20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days. (Does

> > that

> > > > dosing seem normal to you guys?)

> > > >

> > > > Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed

> > > prednisone

> > > > for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she wasn't

> > > > improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over the

> > > house.

> > > > Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take

> every

> > > one

> > > > of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again she

> is

> > > in

> > > > so much pain that I think she might try anything.

> > > >

> > > > How long do you think it will take before we start seeing

some

> > > relief

> > > > with the use of the pred?

> > > >

> > > > (Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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You asked if Nick has been sicker since being on the pred and I

actually have to say hes been heathier, if that makes sense. Im

talking about your typical garden variety childhood sicknesses...

colds, virus' etc. He had a couple of bouts of strep last spring,

but have not had anything since. Until this latest flare and the

sinus infection, hives etc...

We REALLY push hand washing and using purell and so far soo good...

How is Aundrea this morning??? I hope better..

hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

-- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

>

> --

> Actually, Helen you made a lot of sense. I guess when I compare

> Aundrea to the other kids on this list, I also come away thinking

> that I guess were doing o.k. as far as how challenging it could be.

>

> But, I definately understand what your saying about upping the

DMARD

> and then making the efforts to decrease the pred since it just

masks

> the symptoms.

>

> Aundrea is on 200 mg. of Plaquenil daily. I think that might be

the

> maximum dose that they give to kids. I wonder what drug we would

be

> looking at next? I think said that n is on enbrel but

> from what I can tell on the list lots of kids are taking

Methotrexate.

>

> You know what kind of has me worried is that we are going into flu

> season and doesn't pred decrease your immune system. Have you

found

> that Nick is getting more illnesses since he has been on the

steroids?

>

> Makes me wish I could home-school. It sounds like Nick and

Aundrea

> enjoyed a similar summer. She played softball, swam every day and

got

> plenty of rest. When we saw the rheumy in Sept. it was all smiles

as

> to how great everything was. And like you I was able to leave the

> health journal behind! Even got me thinking that we should be

> getting ready to take her off the Plaquenil. But you know you read

> that some kids do actually outgrow this dreadful disease so I

thought

> she might have been one of the lucky ones.

>

> I really do appreciate your taking the time to remind me of Nicks

> history and how is year has gone. It kind of reassured me that I

am

> doing the right thing with Aundrea.

>

> Thanks,

>

> (Drea age 9 systemic)

>

>

>

> - In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...> wrote:

> >

> > -Hi ...

> >

> > i hope Aundrea starts to feel the benefit of the prednisone

soon.

> > hopefully she will wake from her nap and feel a little better.

Its

> > sad to read of so many of the systemic kids struggling now,

hurts

> my

> > heart.

> >

> > also had a great summer, he could sleep in when he

wanted,

> > sometimes as much as 14-15 hours. He was in the pool everyday,

> which

> > i think was great exercise for his joints. We went 3 months with

> no,

> > or hardly any symptoms.One rhuemy visit i actually had NO

journal

> to

> > take because nothing happened! I was begnning to think that we

had

> > this thing beat, although all be it, though medication.

> > seems to flare now everytime we try and lower his

> > prednisone. When he was 1st put on mtx and prednisone ( 1st week

in

> > feb) he was at 10mg of mtx and 10mg of prednisone....he has

flared

> 4

> > times since then, each time because of a prednisone taper..the

pred

> > is always put back up, although not as high as it was and the

mtx

> > was increased.

> > We have gone from 10 to 15 to 17.5 to 20mg of MTX. His

prednisone

> > is currently at 3mg... We were down to 5mg of pred in March, but

as

> > you can see we have only been able to get rid of 2mg in 7

months.

> > The object, I believe, is to up the pred back until the increase

in

> > MTX helps the symptoms and the pred can start to be tapered

again.

> > Its a vicious cirlce. As Nicks rhuemy says, we are always

chasing

> > our tails....

> >

> > Nick is now maxed out on MTX ( according to body weight). Im

sure

> > our next step will be enbrel, but we are not there yet. Theres

> still

> > hope that this last increase in MTX will be " the one " and we can

> > continue the pred taper next month ( ok, im kidding myself here,

> but

> > still).

> >

> > I still think Nick has a milder case than a lot of the kids on

the

> > list... I cant help but think of poor Robbie, on such high doses

of

> > prednisone and STILL having the fevers. Even with Nicks mild

case,

> I

> > see just how sick he becomes and I can only imagine just how

much

> > sicker the others must get. This disease suxs.

> >

> > So I guess my long winded ( sorry) answer to your question is,

that

> > anytime Nick flares, his prednisone is increased back to where

he

> > was doing ok with it and his DMARD is increased at the same

time.

> We

> > wait to give the DMARD a chance to start to work and then begin

the

> > tapering cycle again.

> >

> > Make sense???? IM not sure it does to me!! LOL

> >

> > Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

> >

> > -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks for all of your comments regarding the pred as well as

> > > mentioning your concerns. I always learn so much from

everyone

> on

> > > this list.

> > >

> > > I recognize what you guys are saying about not changing the

> DMARDS.

> > >

> > > Aundrea has been on the Plaquenil since last March. After a

> > couple

> > > of months she started doing wonderful. Her last flare that

put

> > her

> > > in bed for a week was this past July. The problem seems to be

> > that

> > > this is the time of year (at least according to how things

went

> > last

> > > year) that things start to spin out of control. Apparently,

that

> > is

> > > true for a lot of the systemics.

> > >

> > > I guess from what I can understand the rheumy wants to try

this

> > > tapered dose of pred and if it doesn't keep things at bay then

> she

> > > will consider other drugs.

> > >

> > > We have only been going to this doctor since last March and

thats

> > > when she put Aundrea on the Plaquenil. Until this month she

was

> > > doing great.

> > >

> > > Tell me what you guys have seen as the normal course of events

> > that

> > > your doctors have done with meds during a flare.

> > >

> > > Meanwhile, Aundrea has just gone to lay down for another nap

and

> I

> > am

> > > hoping to see some real improvement when she wakes up!

> > > -

> > > P.S. you are right about the crutches being a problem with her

> > > wrists. But until today it was the right knee that was

causing

> > the

> > > most pain and I thought if she could get away with not bearing

as

> > > much weight on it that it might help. I stopped by Aundrea's

> > primary

> > > doctors office and he gave me a script for the crutches. I

guess

> > it

> > > can't hurt to try them.

> > >

> > > (Drea age 9 systemic)

> > > -- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -..

> > > >

> > > > Sorry about the prednisone.. It's such a love it/hate it

drug.

> > Are

> > > > they changing any of her other meds. I'm just conerned that

a

> > quick

> > > > burst of prednisone is not helping the underlaying trend

that

> it

> > > > seems Aundreas symptoms are getting worse???? Obviously

> > something

> > > is

> > > > going on with her that her current meds are not doing enough

to

> > > keep

> > > > under control.

> > > >

> > > > I hope im not being too outspoken here, just voicing my

> opinion,

> > > for

> > > > what its worth :o))))

> > > >

> > > > What did he say about the crutches?? wont they be too hard

on

> > her

> > > > wrists if shes also having wrist problems.??

> > > >

> > > > Hope she starts to feel better soon, im sure she will on the

> > pred.

> > > >

> > > > Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting

Aundrea

> > some

> > > > > crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

> > > > > Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I

looked

> > back

> > > > at

> > > > > her health jounal I could see how everything just really

went

> > > down

> > > > > hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred

will

> > stop

> > > > the

> > > > > flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is

> > starting

> > > on

> > > > > 20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days.

(Does

> > > that

> > > > > dosing seem normal to you guys?)

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed

> > > > prednisone

> > > > > for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she

wasn't

> > > > > improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over

the

> > > > house.

> > > > > Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take

> > every

> > > > one

> > > > > of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again

she

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > so much pain that I think she might try anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > How long do you think it will take before we start seeing

> some

> > > > relief

> > > > > with the use of the pred?

> > > > >

> > > > > (Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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Well I can definately see why pred is called the love/hate drug.

This morning we loved it. Aundrea woke up as her happy little self.

All symptoms of the flare were gone except for the painful right

knee. But even the swelling in the knee was gone. I did get her the

crutches so that she could use them for walking the long distances to

her classroom. Hopefully, by tomorrows third dose she will be free

of the knee pain.

Seems like the appetite thing kicks in pretty quickly. She is also

having major sweats. Its like she is dripping wet and actually have

to get a towel to dry her off. But, the quick benefits have

certainly been amazing and I am hoping that she will handle the taper

o.k. We will drop from 20 to 15mg on day 6.

(Aundrea 9 systemic)-

-- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...> wrote:

>

> -...

>

> You asked if Nick has been sicker since being on the pred and I

> actually have to say hes been heathier, if that makes sense. Im

> talking about your typical garden variety childhood sicknesses...

> colds, virus' etc. He had a couple of bouts of strep last spring,

> but have not had anything since. Until this latest flare and the

> sinus infection, hives etc...

>

> We REALLY push hand washing and using purell and so far soo good...

>

> How is Aundrea this morning??? I hope better..

>

> hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

>

> -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...> wrote:

> >

> > --

> > Actually, Helen you made a lot of sense. I guess when I compare

> > Aundrea to the other kids on this list, I also come away thinking

> > that I guess were doing o.k. as far as how challenging it could

be.

> >

> > But, I definately understand what your saying about upping the

> DMARD

> > and then making the efforts to decrease the pred since it just

> masks

> > the symptoms.

> >

> > Aundrea is on 200 mg. of Plaquenil daily. I think that might be

> the

> > maximum dose that they give to kids. I wonder what drug we would

> be

> > looking at next? I think said that n is on enbrel but

> > from what I can tell on the list lots of kids are taking

> Methotrexate.

> >

> > You know what kind of has me worried is that we are going into flu

> > season and doesn't pred decrease your immune system. Have you

> found

> > that Nick is getting more illnesses since he has been on the

> steroids?

> >

> > Makes me wish I could home-school. It sounds like Nick and

> Aundrea

> > enjoyed a similar summer. She played softball, swam every day and

> got

> > plenty of rest. When we saw the rheumy in Sept. it was all smiles

> as

> > to how great everything was. And like you I was able to leave the

> > health journal behind! Even got me thinking that we should be

> > getting ready to take her off the Plaquenil. But you know you read

> > that some kids do actually outgrow this dreadful disease so I

> thought

> > she might have been one of the lucky ones.

> >

> > I really do appreciate your taking the time to remind me of Nicks

> > history and how is year has gone. It kind of reassured me that I

> am

> > doing the right thing with Aundrea.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > (Drea age 9 systemic)

> >

> >

> >

> > - In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > -Hi ...

> > >

> > > i hope Aundrea starts to feel the benefit of the prednisone

> soon.

> > > hopefully she will wake from her nap and feel a little better.

> Its

> > > sad to read of so many of the systemic kids struggling now,

> hurts

> > my

> > > heart.

> > >

> > > also had a great summer, he could sleep in when he

> wanted,

> > > sometimes as much as 14-15 hours. He was in the pool everyday,

> > which

> > > i think was great exercise for his joints. We went 3 months with

> > no,

> > > or hardly any symptoms.One rhuemy visit i actually had NO

> journal

> > to

> > > take because nothing happened! I was begnning to think that we

> had

> > > this thing beat, although all be it, though medication.

> > > seems to flare now everytime we try and lower his

> > > prednisone. When he was 1st put on mtx and prednisone ( 1st week

> in

> > > feb) he was at 10mg of mtx and 10mg of prednisone....he has

> flared

> > 4

> > > times since then, each time because of a prednisone taper..the

> pred

> > > is always put back up, although not as high as it was and the

> mtx

> > > was increased.

> > > We have gone from 10 to 15 to 17.5 to 20mg of MTX. His

> prednisone

> > > is currently at 3mg... We were down to 5mg of pred in March, but

> as

> > > you can see we have only been able to get rid of 2mg in 7

> months.

> > > The object, I believe, is to up the pred back until the increase

> in

> > > MTX helps the symptoms and the pred can start to be tapered

> again.

> > > Its a vicious cirlce. As Nicks rhuemy says, we are always

> chasing

> > > our tails....

> > >

> > > Nick is now maxed out on MTX ( according to body weight). Im

> sure

> > > our next step will be enbrel, but we are not there yet. Theres

> > still

> > > hope that this last increase in MTX will be " the one " and we can

> > > continue the pred taper next month ( ok, im kidding myself here,

> > but

> > > still).

> > >

> > > I still think Nick has a milder case than a lot of the kids on

> the

> > > list... I cant help but think of poor Robbie, on such high doses

> of

> > > prednisone and STILL having the fevers. Even with Nicks mild

> case,

> > I

> > > see just how sick he becomes and I can only imagine just how

> much

> > > sicker the others must get. This disease suxs.

> > >

> > > So I guess my long winded ( sorry) answer to your question is,

> that

> > > anytime Nick flares, his prednisone is increased back to where

> he

> > > was doing ok with it and his DMARD is increased at the same

> time.

> > We

> > > wait to give the DMARD a chance to start to work and then begin

> the

> > > tapering cycle again.

> > >

> > > Make sense???? IM not sure it does to me!! LOL

> > >

> > > Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

> > >

> > > -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for all of your comments regarding the pred as well as

> > > > mentioning your concerns. I always learn so much from

> everyone

> > on

> > > > this list.

> > > >

> > > > I recognize what you guys are saying about not changing the

> > DMARDS.

> > > >

> > > > Aundrea has been on the Plaquenil since last March. After a

> > > couple

> > > > of months she started doing wonderful. Her last flare that

> put

> > > her

> > > > in bed for a week was this past July. The problem seems to be

> > > that

> > > > this is the time of year (at least according to how things

> went

> > > last

> > > > year) that things start to spin out of control. Apparently,

> that

> > > is

> > > > true for a lot of the systemics.

> > > >

> > > > I guess from what I can understand the rheumy wants to try

> this

> > > > tapered dose of pred and if it doesn't keep things at bay then

> > she

> > > > will consider other drugs.

> > > >

> > > > We have only been going to this doctor since last March and

> thats

> > > > when she put Aundrea on the Plaquenil. Until this month she

> was

> > > > doing great.

> > > >

> > > > Tell me what you guys have seen as the normal course of events

> > > that

> > > > your doctors have done with meds during a flare.

> > > >

> > > > Meanwhile, Aundrea has just gone to lay down for another nap

> and

> > I

> > > am

> > > > hoping to see some real improvement when she wakes up!

> > > > -

> > > > P.S. you are right about the crutches being a problem with her

> > > > wrists. But until today it was the right knee that was

> causing

> > > the

> > > > most pain and I thought if she could get away with not bearing

> as

> > > > much weight on it that it might help. I stopped by Aundrea's

> > > primary

> > > > doctors office and he gave me a script for the crutches. I

> guess

> > > it

> > > > can't hurt to try them.

> > > >

> > > > (Drea age 9 systemic)

> > > > -- In , " hburger64 " <hburger64@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -..

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry about the prednisone.. It's such a love it/hate it

> drug.

> > > Are

> > > > > they changing any of her other meds. I'm just conerned that

> a

> > > quick

> > > > > burst of prednisone is not helping the underlaying trend

> that

> > it

> > > > > seems Aundreas symptoms are getting worse???? Obviously

> > > something

> > > > is

> > > > > going on with her that her current meds are not doing enough

> to

> > > > keep

> > > > > under control.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope im not being too outspoken here, just voicing my

> > opinion,

> > > > for

> > > > > what its worth :o))))

> > > > >

> > > > > What did he say about the crutches?? wont they be too hard

> on

> > > her

> > > > > wrists if shes also having wrist problems.??

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope she starts to feel better soon, im sure she will on the

> > > pred.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , " sonia1md " <sonia1md@y...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, I called the doctor today to see about getting

> Aundrea

> > > some

> > > > > > crutches and her doc felt it was time to start Aundrea on

> > > > > > Prednisone. I was kind of leary about it, but when I

> looked

> > > back

> > > > > at

> > > > > > her health jounal I could see how everything just really

> went

> > > > down

> > > > > > hill last winter and her rheumy is hoping that the pred

> will

> > > stop

> > > > > the

> > > > > > flare in its tracks before it becomes harder to manage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I gave Aundrea her first dose this morning. She is

> > > starting

> > > > on

> > > > > > 20mg a day and will then taper down 5 mg. every 5 days.

> (Does

> > > > that

> > > > > > dosing seem normal to you guys?)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some of you might recall a year ago when they prescribed

> > > > > prednisone

> > > > > > for Aundrea and everyone was so baffled as to why she

> wasn't

> > > > > > improving. Later, I discovered the pills hidden all over

> the

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > Well, today I stood right beside her and watched her take

> > > every

> > > > > one

> > > > > > of them. She was a real trooper about it, but then again

> she

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > so much pain that I think she might try anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How long do you think it will take before we start seeing

> > some

> > > > > relief

> > > > > > with the use of the pred?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (Aundrea age 9 systemic)

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Hi Becki,

I see what you mean about the hunger. She seems to constantly be

asking for food. I am trying my best to give out some nutritious

snacks. She also likes the sugar free popscicles.

She did have a pimple like rash that broke out on her leg along with

a couple of spots on her arm and neck. It doesn't seem to severe so

I guess I will just keep an eye on it for now.

She is feeling good everywhere right now except the right knee.

Still limping or using the crutches, but tomorrow will be day 3 of

pred so maybe we will see more improvement then.

(Drea 9 systemic)-

-- In , Arthurnator@w... wrote:

> Hi ,

> I don't recall the sweats with but remember all to well the

hunger.He

> would cry and scream for food,sneak food out of the fridge or just

stand there

> and shove stuff in his mouth as fast as he could.

> Keep an abudance of fruit in the house for snack time especialy

those high in

> water content.The water will make Aundrea feel full and they have

very few

> calories.

> As the dose gets lower so will the appetite and your grocery

bill,lol

> Hugs

> Becki and 6 systemic

>

>

>

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HI Georgina,

It was so nice to hear from you. I think of you often, especially

when Aundrea is in a flare and I can come to this list and gather

such wonderful knowledge and support from so many others that have

been on this road of jra much longer than me. I appreciate all the

work that you do to keep this list going as well as keeping us

educated with new articles.

Yesterday was day 4 for Aundrea on prednisone 20mg. She came home

from school feeling wonderful, almost giddy. She had no joint pain

and was running around playing with her girlfriend and so very happy!

Tomorrow we will taper to 15 and hopefully it will go smoothly. I

did think about the option of some type of injection to her knee but

I think it could be a little early yet for that. I know n has

had to do that with her wrists as well as others on the list. I was

kind of concerned about her using the crutches and not getting any

movement to her joint, but it only lasted for a few days and like you

said it was starting to hurt her wrists. But, the steroids kicked in

and did their job so for now the crutches are tucked in the back of

the closet! :-)

My Aundrea weighs nearly as much as your Josh. She is 81 lbs, but

she is also tall at 4 10. My kids are somewhat like giants. So many

kids with jra seem smaller in stature and struggle with weight gain

but we have the opposite problems here as far as growth. In fact my

12 year old stands about 5 7 and has developed Osgood Schlaters

disease. Its when the bone grows faster than the muscle and so the

muscle is being pulled away from the bone. It should resolve itself

whenever the growth spurt slows down.

I showed Aundrea this list for the first time this week. She liked

that so many people enjoyed her letter. She was super impressed that

shared her letter with a reporter and that others suggested she

submit it to the jra newsletter. She was funny. She looked at me

and said " I just can't stop smiling, it makes me feel so good that

they liked my letter and that they thought it would help other kids

that have jra " .

I'd better get going as I am sure I have rambled long enough. I hope

things go well for Josh with this current round of pred and that once

again he will be eventually able to taper.

God Bless,

(Drea 9 systemic)

>

> > Hi ,

> > I don't recall the sweats with but remember all to well the

hunger.He

> > would cry and scream for food,sneak food out of the fridge or

just stand there

> > and shove stuff in his mouth as fast as he could.

> > Keep an abudance of fruit in the house for snack time especialy

those high in

> > water content.The water will make Aundrea feel full and they have

very few

> > calories.

> > As the dose gets lower so will the appetite and your grocery

bill,lol

> > Hugs

> > Becki and 6 systemic

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