Glutamine

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting and is true. I am going to get some for

myself. When I worked on the trauma, med/surge neurosurg ICU as a

secretary we used to order this stuff all the time for the patients

who were on life support and very ill and the nurses would put it in

the tube feedings. THanks for the info Jackie, very interesting.

[Guest guest]

Kat, do you take glutamine when you get sugar cravings? Does it really work?

I registered at myhealthstore.com and did the test. It says blood sugar

regulation is my biggest problem, along with pituitary function.

Unfortunately i cannot order the supplements at this time as i just stocked

up on a four-month supply from Pure Synergy. But Diet Cure made it sound as

if i can only get one thing to help with blood sugar regulation, it would be

L-glutamine.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/12/02 8:10:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

katanne@... writes:

> In my research it indicates that l-glutamine deficiency may lead to

> depression, blood sugar imbalance, and also helps to heal mucosal lining of

> intestine and mouth (as in leaky gut).

Are there any food sources that are high in it?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

Eating low carb I really don't have much of a craving problem anymore, or

maybe it is the l-glutamine.

" Glutamine has recently been the focus of much scientific interest. A

growing body of evidence suggests that during certain stressful times, the

body may require more glutamine than it can produce. Under these

circumstances glutamine may be considered a " conditionally essential " amino

acid. Glutamine is involved in maintaining a positive nitrogen balance (an

anabolic state), and also aids rapidly growing cells (immune system

lymphocytes and intestinal cell enterocytes). In addition glutamine is one

regulator of acid-base balance and a nitrogen transporter. "

In my research it indicates that l-glutamine deficiency may lead to

depression, blood sugar imbalance, and also helps to heal mucosal lining of

intestine and mouth (as in leaky gut).

There is much more. I believe that l-glutamine and magnesium have been the

two most effective supplements I have used.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Elaine " <emarshall@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:32 AM

Subject: Re: glutamine

> Kat, do you take glutamine when you get sugar cravings? Does it really

work?

> I registered at myhealthstore.com and did the test. It says blood sugar

> regulation is my biggest problem, along with pituitary function.

> Unfortunately i cannot order the supplements at this time as i just

stocked

> up on a four-month supply from Pure Synergy. But Diet Cure made it sound

as

> if i can only get one thing to help with blood sugar regulation, it would

be

> L-glutamine.

> Elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi thanks for your reply on glutamine. After much searching i finally

found something that said no studies have been done on its safety for

pregnant and lactating women.

On the other group i posted a question about sugar cravings and one

interesting response was that i increase my fat intake. I thought i was

already eating a lot, but i have followed a low-fat diet my whole life, so

maybe not. I started eating even more raw pastured butter and cream, coconut

oil, butter on my steak, etc. and instantly experienced greatly

dimished/almost non-existent sugar cravings. I am really astounded. I look

at chocolate and feel nothing. I haven't read Metabolic Man, but i seem to

be someone who feels great on a high fat, high protein diet. I feel much

more stable in general, do not wig out if i get too hungry, and my appetite

is more suppressed (a good thing in my case). It is hard sometimes to undo

so many years of brainwashing.

I think you're right that supplements should be avoided if diet can do the

trick. I am going to see how this high-fat approach plays out in coming

months.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

I've read diet cure, and agree that many people do not or cannot produce

enough of many non-essential amino acids, hence their popularity at health

food stores, etc. However, i think that by doing what most of the people

here are at least trying to do, we are largely corecting that, ie getting

enough raw protein, enzymes, fatty acids etc.

Its a start at least. As a personal trainer, i do encorage many of my

clients to use supplements, but i try and use ones that come from real food,

are procesed correctly, are made from organic ingredients, etc etc.

If you feel the need to use L-form aminos (synthetic) make sure you only use

them short term, and correct the diet, as Ross suggests.

Good luck, Chris

>From: Elaine <emarshall@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: glutamine

>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:32:13 +0800

>

>Kat, do you take glutamine when you get sugar cravings? Does it really

>work?

>I registered at myhealthstore.com and did the test. It says blood sugar

>regulation is my biggest problem, along with pituitary function.

>Unfortunately i cannot order the supplements at this time as i just stocked

>up on a four-month supply from Pure Synergy. But Diet Cure made it sound as

>if i can only get one thing to help with blood sugar regulation, it would

>be

>L-glutamine.

>Elaine

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>>>>If you feel the need to use L-form aminos (synthetic) make sure you only

use

them short term, and correct the diet, as Ross suggests.

------->chris, are *all* L-form aa's synthetic? i thought dL's were

synthetic..? is there any such thing as a *natural* isolated amino acid

supplement?

Suze Fisher

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http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

Elaine-

>i have followed a low-fat diet my whole life, so

>maybe not.

Those low-fat (high-carb) diets can do permanent damage. If you feel sugar

cravings, just eat more saturated animal fat. (And believe me, I speak

from experience!)

-

[Guest guest]

I probably missed something, but why only use L-form aminos short term? Thanks,

Anita

----- Original Message -----

From: Bellanger

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:27 AM

Subject: Re: glutamine

I've read diet cure, and agree that many people do not or cannot produce

enough of many non-essential amino acids, hence their popularity at health

food stores, etc. However, i think that by doing what most of the people

here are at least trying to do, we are largely corecting that, ie getting

enough raw protein, enzymes, fatty acids etc.

Its a start at least. As a personal trainer, i do encorage many of my

clients to use supplements, but i try and use ones that come from real food,

are procesed correctly, are made from organic ingredients, etc etc.

If you feel the need to use L-form aminos (synthetic) make sure you only use

them short term, and correct the diet, as Ross suggests.

Good luck, Chris

>From: Elaine <emarshall@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: glutamine

>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:32:13 +0800

>

>Kat, do you take glutamine when you get sugar cravings? Does it really

>work?

>I registered at myhealthstore.com and did the test. It says blood sugar

>regulation is my biggest problem, along with pituitary function.

>Unfortunately i cannot order the supplements at this time as i just stocked

>up on a four-month supply from Pure Synergy. But Diet Cure made it sound as

>if i can only get one thing to help with blood sugar regulation, it would

>be

>L-glutamine.

>Elaine

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[Guest guest]

Thats great to hear! Don't get me wrong though, i use many supplemants, but

ones that are made from foods & /or food concentrates.

A couple i particularly like, in case you interested, are " the Missing

Link " , " Beyond Greens " & " Udo's Ultimate Oil Blend " . I have a lot of respect

for Udo Erasmus, depite what Sally Fallon says, and belive he makes

excellent quality products. Anyone wanting his products could probably buy

them wholesale if they wanted to make a few calls, Chris

>From: Elaine <emarshall@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: glutamine

>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:16:35 +0800

>

>Hi thanks for your reply on glutamine. After much searching i

>finally

>found something that said no studies have been done on its safety for

>pregnant and lactating women.

>

>On the other group i posted a question about sugar cravings and one

>interesting response was that i increase my fat intake. I thought i was

>already eating a lot, but i have followed a low-fat diet my whole life, so

>maybe not. I started eating even more raw pastured butter and cream,

>coconut

>oil, butter on my steak, etc. and instantly experienced greatly

>dimished/almost non-existent sugar cravings. I am really astounded. I look

>at chocolate and feel nothing. I haven't read Metabolic Man, but i seem to

>be someone who feels great on a high fat, high protein diet. I feel much

>more stable in general, do not wig out if i get too hungry, and my appetite

>is more suppressed (a good thing in my case). It is hard sometimes to undo

>so many years of brainwashing.

>

>I think you're right that supplements should be avoided if diet can do the

>trick. I am going to see how this high-fat approach plays out in coming

>months.

>

>Elaine

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[Guest guest]

That is my understanding... i could be wrong though. And no, i do not know

of any natural (food based) isolated amino acids supplements. Guess nature

knows best huh?

I use a pre-digested spirulina, but despite what the labels say, i know for

a fact that all spirulinas are heated beyond a desireable range. If you

don't belive me, try and reculture them. If they were dried at safe

temperatures, they should reculture. Bee Pollen is also great, but again

most commercially available ones are heated. I get mine directly from the

apiarist, Chris

All you guys making kefir from raw milk have got the right idea, separating

your own whey. I don't have access to enough raw milk to make it. We're a

bit behind you guys here in Australia, but i'm hoping to help change that,

Chris

>From: " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: glutamine

>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:55:34 -0400

>

> >>>>If you feel the need to use L-form aminos (synthetic) make sure you

>only

>use

>them short term, and correct the diet, as Ross suggests.

>

>------->chris, are *all* L-form aa's synthetic? i thought dL's were

>synthetic..? is there any such thing as a *natural* isolated amino acid

>supplement?

>

>Suze Fisher

>Web Design & Development

>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

>mailto:s.fisher22@...

>

>

>

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Well, of course if money is no object, then i guess it dosen't matter so

much. However, during a seminar i attended a few year back with Dr Ray,

he mentioned that the body only has the ability to utilize limited

quantities of L-form aminos, and that the more we use them in preferance to

food derived ones, the more we put ourselves at risk or creating

'imbalances' (ie because the body needs a braod spectrum of nutrients, not

just the ones we think it needs). I muscle test (using the method described

in " How We Heal " ) all my supplements before trying them, and find that most

are weak, even the ones that may have initially been strong for a week or

two. This indicates that i no longer need it any more. However, those made

from food & processed correctly (ie at low temperatures) always test strong.

, chris

>From: " Anita Toliver " <amaet@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: glutamine

>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:48:16 -0700

>

>I probably missed something, but why only use L-form aminos short term?

>Thanks, Anita

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: Bellanger

>Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:27 AM

>

>Subject: Re: glutamine

>

>I've read diet cure, and agree that many people do not or cannot produce

>enough of many non-essential amino acids, hence their popularity at health

>food stores, etc. However, i think that by doing what most of the people

>here are at least trying to do, we are largely corecting that, ie getting

>enough raw protein, enzymes, fatty acids etc.

>Its a start at least. As a personal trainer, i do encorage many of my

>clients to use supplements, but i try and use ones that come from real

>food,

>are procesed correctly, are made from organic ingredients, etc etc.

>If you feel the need to use L-form aminos (synthetic) make sure you only

>use

>them short term, and correct the diet, as Ross suggests.

>Good luck, Chris

>

>

> >From: Elaine <emarshall@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: glutamine

> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:32:13 +0800

> >

> >Kat, do you take glutamine when you get sugar cravings? Does it really

> >work?

> >I registered at myhealthstore.com and did the test. It says blood sugar

> >regulation is my biggest problem, along with pituitary function.

> >Unfortunately i cannot order the supplements at this time as i just

>stocked

> >up on a four-month supply from Pure Synergy. But Diet Cure made it sound

>as

> >if i can only get one thing to help with blood sugar regulation, it would

> >be

> >L-glutamine.

> >Elaine

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

--- How do you differentiate L and D form aminos? Dennis

In @y..., " Bellanger " <chrisb05@h...> wrote:

> Well, of course if money is no object, then i guess it dosen't

matter so

> much. However, during a seminar i attended a few year back with Dr

Ray,

> he mentioned that the body only has the ability to utilize limited

> quantities of L-form aminos, and that the more we use them in

preferance to

> food derived ones,

[Guest guest]

Quoting dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...>:

> --- How do you differentiate L and D form aminos? Dennis

They're mirror images of each other, much like your left and right hands.

In fact, they're commonly referred to as the left-hand and right-hand

forms. I'm not sure how they decide which is which, though.

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

L-left is used for human nutrition D-right is usually not useful for humans.

Most synthetic foods, vitamins, etc are the D. There are some exceptions to

the rule, especially when they contain both L and D, but this is generally

the rule.

Kat

http://www.katking.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Berg " <bberg@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: Re: glutamine

> Quoting dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...>:

>

> > --- How do you differentiate L and D form aminos? Dennis

>

> They're mirror images of each other, much like your left and right hands.

> In fact, they're commonly referred to as the left-hand and right-hand

> forms. I'm not sure how they decide which is which, though.

>

> --

> Berg

> bberg@...

[Guest guest]

--- That's what I'm wondering, " How they decide which is which " and

also which is good/bad for humans. My biochem book states, " all the

amino acids that occur naturally in proteins have the L configuration

with respect to the reference standard, D-glyceraldehyde. On

hydrolysis with alkali the L compound will be converted to a mixture

of the D and L enantiomers. " Enantiomers are mirror images of one

another, having the same molecular formula.. BTW this comes under the

topic of stereochemistry. I'm wondering what it has to do with

metabolism? As I've said before, " this stuff is complicated " .Dennis

In @y..., Berg <bberg@c...> wrote:

> Quoting dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@y...>:

>

> > --- How do you differentiate L and D form aminos? Dennis

>

> They're mirror images of each other, much like your left and right

hands.

> In fact, they're commonly referred to as the left-hand and right-

hand

> forms. I'm not sure how they decide which is which, though.

>

> --

> Berg

> bberg@c...

[Guest guest]

Subject: Re: glutamine

> --- That's what I'm wondering, " How they decide which is which " and

> also which is good/bad for humans. My biochem book states, " all the

> amino acids that occur naturally in proteins have the L configuration

> with respect to the reference standard, D-glyceraldehyde. On

> hydrolysis with alkali the L compound will be converted to a mixture

> of the D and L enantiomers. " Enantiomers are mirror images of one

> another, having the same molecular formula.. BTW this comes under the

> topic of stereochemistry. I'm wondering what it has to do with

> metabolism? As I've said before, " this stuff is complicated " .Dennis

You can't tell the difference easily, but your body sure can. The molecules

have a different shape which cells easily recognize. Now how the scientists

figured this out is another question.

Kris

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@y...>

wrote:

> --- That's what I'm wondering, " How they decide which is which " and

> also which is good/bad for humans. My biochem book states, " all the

> amino acids that occur naturally in proteins have the L

configuration

> with respect to the reference standard, D-glyceraldehyde. On

> hydrolysis with alkali the L compound will be converted to a

mixture

> of the D and L enantiomers. " Enantiomers are mirror images of one

> another, having the same molecular formula.

Proteins are chains of amino acids.

Each amino acid has a particular carbon atom with four different

attachmnets: a COOH group, an NH2 group, an H, anda side chain

(sometimes labelled as 'R') that can a variety of structures. It si

the R group that makes the amino acids different from one another.

The Cooh and the NH2 groups can be linked together to make the

protein chain. If the different groups are flip-=flopped - they stuck

out on different sides - the mirror image - they can't be linked

together into chains in the body. It is this structural situation

that means we can only use the L amino acids in proteins. The system

evolved to fit together in one particular way, and the enzymes create

the amino acids in that particular way because enzymes work based on

molecular structure.

Calling them L or D amino acids is a naming convention, based on the

structure of D-glyceraldehyde. I'm guessing the 'D' if D

-glyceraldehyde came originally from the direction a solution of

molcules rotated light. (D for dextro, or right, L for levo- or

left.) But for amino acids it is apparently just a way of labelling

the mirror images at that carbon, based on the glyceraldehyde model.

Not important to us except as a name.

When talked about limiting the amount of L amino acids I don't

think he was talking about L versus D amino acids. I think he meant

isolated L-amino acids versus L-amino acids in the protein in food.

Since the body can't use the D form, if you did decide to take

isolated amino acids, it would make more sense to have L amino acids

than a mixture of L and D - the D would be wasted.

When amino acids (and other chemicals) are manufactured by some

chemical processes for which exact structure is not important, or if

they are processed in certain ways, you might get a mixture of both

mirror images. To get only one form, you'd have to do a more

complicated chemical procedure, so it might be cheaper to sell a

racemic mixture of both kinds. If the amino acids are made by a

living cell, in a bacterial or fungal culture, for instance, you

would get the L form.

You can't automatically look at the name of a chemical and assume

it's the natural form if it's an L. For sugars, our bodies use the D

form, not the L form. It depends on the structure and the naming

convention for that particular molecule.

(My old biochem book says there are some D amino acids in some

bacterial cell walls. Also not all molecules come in different forms.

the amino acid glycine has such a simple shape that it only comes in

one form, not L or D. And some molecules have a number of parts that

can have mirror images, so the naming gets complicated.)

[Guest guest]

OOps, I need to fix some typos in the first part of that post:

Proteins are chains of amino acids.

Each amino acid has a particular carbon atom with four different

attachments: a COOH group, an NH2 group, an H, and a side chain

(sometimes labelled as 'R') that can have a variety of structures. It

is the R group that makes the amino acids different from one another.

The COOH and the NH2 groups can be linked together to make the

protein chain. If the different groups are flip-flopped - they

stick out on the wrong sides, in the mirror image - they can't be

linked together into chains in the body. It is this structural

situation that means we can only use the L amino acids in proteins.

The system evolved to fit together in one particular way, and the

enzymes create the amino acids in that particular way because enzymes

work based on molecular structure.

Calling them L or D amino acids is a naming convention, based on

the structure of D-glyceraldehyde. I'm guessing the 'D' in D

-glyceraldehyde came originally from the direction a solution of

glyceraldehyde molecules rotated light. (D for dextro, or right, L

for levo, or left.) But for amino acids it is apparently just a way

of labelling the mirror images at that carbon, based on the

glyceraldehyde model. Not important to us except as a name.

(How did chemists figure this out? By many painstaking repeated

experiments and precise measurements over the years, with

increasibgly sohphisticated techniques and equipment.)

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita:

> I probably missed something, but why only use L-form aminos short term?

Thanks, Anita

>

I read Blaylock's book Excitotoxins, the Taste That Kills, and he

states a concern that several nutritionists are recommending that glutamine

(the precuror of glutamate) be added to the diet of seriously ill patients

to improve intestinal function. He states that neurons deficient in energy

(no matter what the cause) are more susceptable to damage from glutamate and

other excitotoxins. The brain protects itself from excessive glutamate

accumulaton by actively pumping it into special storage sites. This process

uses lots of energy. If the energy producton fails, the pumping stops and

the glutamate accumulates outside the neurons. The glutamate causes the

neurons to get excited and fire repetively. This hyperactivity burns up

lots of energy further depleting ATP stores, thereby causing cells to die

faster. Once calcium flows into the neurons, other cell mechanisms work to

try to capture the calcium. This uses up more energy again. If or when the

energy runs out, the cell dies.

From Blaylock's book, I think is right to try to correct the diet to

obtain the proper amount of glutamine. Ross also suggests only taking

the supplements temporarily until the diet is corrected. Otherwise, if you

supplement *too much* glutamine, you may inadvertantly accumulate too much

glutamate which would be damaging to your neurons. Blaylock also mentions

that Parkinson's patients don't usually show any clinical signs of the

disease until the patient has already lost about 80-90% of his neurons. So,

you could actually be damaging neurons and not know it until it's too late.

Marla

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Bellanger

>

> I've read diet cure, and agree that many people do not or cannot produce

> enough of many non-essential amino acids, hence their popularity at health

> food stores, etc. However, i think that by doing what most of the people

> here are at least trying to do, we are largely corecting that, ie getting

> enough raw protein, enzymes, fatty acids etc.

> Its a start at least. As a personal trainer, i do encorage many of my

> clients to use supplements, but i try and use ones that come from real

food,

> are procesed correctly, are made from organic ingredients, etc etc.

> If you feel the need to use L-form aminos (synthetic) make sure you only

use

> them short term, and correct the diet, as Ross suggests.

> Good luck, Chris

>