Re: question about MTX and vomiting

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Sherry, Have you ever given Casey Emetrol for the vomitting? It is supposed to stop it and my aunt and cousin have been using it for many many years. It comes in a cherry flavor and a lemon flavor I think, but I would rather take the cherry one. Maybe you can try this before taking her to the ER. ~

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Yup, Lansing, MI, right on the edge of the downtown area Dr. D is in

Howell. The SD (and right now, Casey, is in Novi.)

There are a couple of ped. rheumatologists in Lansing at least according to

the www... I called Dr. D when she started this flare because he's the one

who treated her before her remission 6 years ago - well, for the last year

before remission anyway - and I always thought he was brilliant.

Haven't had any phone calls since 6:00, so hopefully she has fallen

asleep...I hope so...

Thanks VERY much for writing back so quickly, , I really appreciate it

.

Sherry

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----- Original Message -----

From: " K. " <beegal68@...>

> This is a VERY common side effect from the mtx. Did

> her Dr prescribe any thing for nausea? Jessie takes

> folic acid, daily, as a supplement which helps with

> some of the mtx side effects. She also takes compazine

> the night of and the day after the injection. I would

> give the rheumy a call today to see if there's

> something you can try to calm her stomach. I do hope

> you are able to get her feeling better.

>

> I noticed you said you were in Lansing. Would that be

> Lansing Michigan? Just wondering because I live in Mi

> and our rheumy is at U of M.

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No I haven't heard of it but will stop at a pharmacy and look for it - THANK

YOU, !

Sherry

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----- Original Message -----

From: <BHB023@...>

> Sherry, Have you ever given Casey Emetrol for the vomitting? It is

supposed

> to stop it and my aunt and cousin have been using it for many many years.

It

> comes in a cherry flavor and a lemon flavor I think, but I would rather

take the

> cherry one. Maybe you can try this before taking her to the ER. ~

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

We've never had this situation come up. Josh, at worst, would feel

nauseous after receiving his MTX dose but it never caused vomiting. I

hope Casey is feeling lots better by now. Hard to know, I guess, if it

was definitely related to the MTX. However unlikely, maybe it could have

been a stomach virus or something else going on? If I were you, I think

I definitely would have phoned the doctor. To report the symptoms, see

if they had any special instructions. When you can, please let us know

what happened okay? Gentle hugs for Casey ...

Take Care,

Georgina

ChiaOwl wrote:

>Friday was Casey's 2nd MTX injection, she got 20 mg (0.8 ml). A friend of

>mine is visiting who is a nurse and talked me through this injection, I'm

>much more confident about doing them now...anyway, then Casey went to her

>dad's for the weekend. Yesterday afternoon she started feeling sick to her

>stomach, and by bedtime she was vomiting. She has continued to vomit all

>night and has had the dry heaves for the last few hours, bringing up only

>small amounts of bile apparently. I suggested her dad take her to the ER

>for an injection or suppository or something to stop it, but he wants me to

>pick her up at noon (we live 70 miles apart and meet halfway) instead.

>

>Questions: If she's still heaving at that point (I can't believe she's got

>to suffer that long!) should I just take her to the ER? OR, I do have Dr.

>D's home number for emergencies, but I don't know if this is a true

>emergency since it is a known side effect of the mtx. (She isn't showing

>any other signs of flu or anything else, no fever, etc...but I'm not ruling

>that out either.) I don't want to call him on a Sunday if this is something

>that's expected to happen anyway...so wondering (1) is this a frequent side

>effect from your experience? and (2) would taking her to the ER for

>something to stop the vomiting - if it's still going on at noon - be

>overreacting? and (3) if you have experienced this with yourself or your

>kids, how long does it usually last, and (4) is this unusual enough to call

>Dr. D at home for? I'm worried about dehydration, she's been at this for

>going on 12 hours now according to phone reports.

>

>If it is necessary, I will get in the car right now and go get her and take

>her to the ER, or I will call Dr. D. if this is something unusual (by

>reading product literature I gather it isn't, however). Just as a side

>note, Dr. D is about 40 miles away, he's not here in Lansing...

>

>I will be waiting to hear from anybody more experienced in this than me,

>thanks very much .

>

>Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there!

My daughter vomited from the mtx. She is on it orally though. We now give her Prilosec for her tummy and it seems to work great.

I think that if the mtx was bothering Casey, she wouldn't throw up that much all at one time. When e got sick, she did it in intervals. She may throw up on Sunday morning, and then not again until Monday night. Also, when you inject the mtx, it doesn't pass through the digestive system, so the chances of it upsetting her stomach as an injectable are less.

I hope this helps. Let us know what you find out.

(((((((Hugs to you and Casey)))))))))))

Barb and e (2, poly)

-----Original Message-----From: ChiaOwl [mailto:chiaowl@...]Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:33 AM Subject: question about MTX and vomitingFriday was Casey's 2nd MTX injection, she got 20 mg (0.8 ml). A friend ofmine is visiting who is a nurse and talked me through this injection, I'mmuch more confident about doing them now...anyway, then Casey went to herdad's for the weekend. Yesterday afternoon she started feeling sick to herstomach, and by bedtime she was vomiting. She has continued to vomit allnight and has had the dry heaves for the last few hours, bringing up onlysmall amounts of bile apparently. I suggested her dad take her to the ERfor an injection or suppository or something to stop it, but he wants me topick her up at noon (we live 70 miles apart and meet halfway) instead.Questions: If she's still heaving at that point (I can't believe she's gotto suffer that long!) should I just take her to the ER? OR, I do have Dr.D's home number for emergencies, but I don't know if this is a trueemergency since it is a known side effect of the mtx. (She isn't showingany other signs of flu or anything else, no fever, etc...but I'm not rulingthat out either.) I don't want to call him on a Sunday if this is somethingthat's expected to happen anyway...so wondering (1) is this a frequent sideeffect from your experience? and (2) would taking her to the ER forsomething to stop the vomiting - if it's still going on at noon - beoverreacting? and (3) if you have experienced this with yourself or yourkids, how long does it usually last, and (4) is this unusual enough to callDr. D at home for? I'm worried about dehydration, she's been at this forgoing on 12 hours now according to phone reports.If it is necessary, I will get in the car right now and go get her and takeher to the ER, or I will call Dr. D. if this is something unusual (byreading product literature I gather it isn't, however). Just as a sidenote, Dr. D is about 40 miles away, he's not here in Lansing...I will be waiting to hear from anybody more experienced in this than me,thanks very much .Sherrymihomehttp://www.ittybittybirdiebites.comJUNE SPECIALS - http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/special0306.htmlInterested in sprouting? www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/sproutlist.htmlThoughts on nutrition - www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/nutrition.htmlTo leave this mailing list, send request to: -unsubscribe

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Barb,

Intresting my son was on MTX once he recieved the shot one time in Jan and soon after became very ill with the vomiting and fever , joint pain, stomache, fatigued his rheumy whom I called put it off as being a viral infection? which is possible but (everytime)?? almost exact same symptoms soemtimes I wonder if I should be getting a 2nd opinion or have see another peds rheumy? It takes soo long to get into see one .His rheumy on his next visit said he would not need anymore mtx shots ? I will ask her when he goes to see her next Mon June 16th. Its weird you have so many things ya want to know and ask when ya go in its a good idea to write the questions down Im forgetful sometimes that is what comes with being or getting old I guessLOL

Teena, 13 jra

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I'm wondering also, it is what I first suspected, but that could be the

timing too, starting the next day after her shot the evening before. I will

see what Dr. D says about it as well. Thanks, Barb .

Sherry

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Todd Lange " <lange2@...>

> My daughter vomited from the mtx. She is on it orally though. We now

give

> her Prilosec for her tummy and it seems to work great.

>

> I think that if the mtx was bothering Casey, she wouldn't throw up that

> much all at one time. When e got sick, she did it in intervals. She

> may throw up on Sunday morning, and then not again until Monday night.

> Also, when you inject the mtx, it doesn't pass through the digestive

system,

> so the chances of it upsetting her stomach as an injectable are less.

>

> I hope this helps. Let us know what you find out.

>

> (((((((Hugs to you and Casey)))))))))))

[Guest guest]

You right. From what I know on anticancer agents/chemo (ie methotrexate) that the toxicity in it which helps to destroy fast growing cells like the cells that attack our joints.. also go for the cells in the belly. I think because the ones which divide quickest get attacked quickest.. So it causes nausea.. I'm probably wrong though.

(Poly JRA 18)

[Guest guest]

Hi.

I just wounder, the kids that get mtx for cancer get it through an IV. The still through up even though it doesn't go through the stomach.

I thought throughing up from Mtx was the bodys way of reacting to a drug that is a toxic to the body which Mtx is. The reason they give it to Jra kids is to slow down the deviding if the cells in the membran that holds the liquid in the joints. The sideeffect that made me choose not to give it is the fact that it effects all the cells in the body and even the DNA. But I thought the vomotting could occur no matter how you administer the drug. Am I wrong?

mum to Jackie 6 syst.poly.

>From: "Todd Lange"

>Reply- >

>Subject: RE: question about MTX and vomiting >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:33:26 -0500 > >Hi there! > >My daughter vomited from the mtx. She is on it orally though. We now give >her Prilosec for her tummy and it seems to work great. > >I think that if the mtx was bothering Casey, she wouldn't throw up that >much all at one time. When e got sick, she did it in intervals. She >may throw up on Sunday morning, and then not again until Monday night. >Also, when you inject the mtx, it doesn't pass through the digestive system, >so the chances of it upsetting her stomach as an injectable are less. > >I hope this helps. Let us know what you find out. > >(((((((Hugs to you and Casey))))))))))) > >Barb and e (2, poly) > question about MTX and vomiting > > > Friday was Casey's 2nd MTX injection, she got 20 mg (0.8 ml). A friend of > mine is visiting who is a nurse and talked me through this injection, I'm > much more confident about doing them now...anyway, then Casey went to her > dad's for the weekend. Yesterday afternoon she started feeling sick to >her > stomach, and by bedtime she was vomiting. She has continued to vomit all > night and has had the dry heaves for the last few hours, bringing up only > small amounts of bile apparently. I suggested her dad take her to the ER > for an injection or suppository or something to stop it, but he wants me >to > pick her up at noon (we live 70 miles apart and meet halfway) instead. > > Questions: If she's still heaving at that point (I can't believe she's got > to suffer that long!) should I just take her to the ER? OR, I do have Dr. > D's home number for emergencies, but I don't know if this is a true > emergency since it is a known side effect of the mtx. (She isn't showing > any other signs of flu or anything else, no fever, etc...but I'm not >ruling > that out either.) I don't want to call him on a Sunday if this is >something > that's expected to happen anyway...so wondering (1) is this a frequent >side > effect from your experience? and (2) would taking her to the ER for > something to stop the vomiting - if it's still going on at noon - be > overreacting? and (3) if you have experienced this with yourself or your > kids, how long does it usually last, and (4) is this unusual enough to >call > Dr. D at home for? I'm worried about dehydration, she's been at this for > going on 12 hours now according to phone reports. > > If it is necessary, I will get in the car right now and go get her and >take > her to the ER, or I will call Dr. D. if this is something unusual (by > reading product literature I gather it isn't, however). Just as a side > note, Dr. D is about 40 miles away, he's not here in Lansing... > > I will be waiting to hear from anybody more experienced in this than me, > thanks very much . > > Sherry > mihome > http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com > JUNE SPECIALS - http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/special0306.html > Interested in sprouting? www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/sproutlist.html > Thoughts on nutrition - www.ittybittybirdiebites.com/nutrition.html > > >