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> > Thank you to all of the ladies that have responded already. It

is

> > amazing to be able to have this support and direct information

from

> > real people-not from brochures or studies that are paid for by

the

> > same people that have a particular interest in the result!!

> >

> > I think I really am starting to change my mind but in a way

there

> > is a sense of sadness. I guess like we all know there is always

> > that feeling that if we only look better ..or if we

are " perfect "

> we

> > will have more confidence our lives will be better...Yet the

things

> > we do to achieve that do not necessarily bring what is

expected.

> We

> > just have to change the way we think about ourselves and not

accept

> > the daily bombardment of " fake images "

> >

> > On another note, my own mother had to have silicone implants

(shell

> > and fill) put in 32 years ago due to them taking out her mammary

> > glands because of " benign " tumors. Her right breast got

infected

> at

> > 6 months (they found some staph bacteria in her chest cavity)

and

> > had to be taken out but her left breast implant stayed

intact.

> 32

> > years later having had a silicone breast implant my mother has

> > never had ANY health problems has more energy that people 30

years

> > younger and is in the best of health. She is 63 years old now

and

> > has never complained of anything. Her implant got a little hard

> but

> > not too bad.

> >

> > Makes me wonder whether if I go by genetics I could have the

same

> > experience-no adverse effects-but there is no guarantee

> >

> > On the other hand I could go the route someone else suggested

and

> > get them anyway but at the first sign of any deterioration in my

> > health get them taken out

> >

> > Since I only plan to get a very moderate implant -maybe a 270-

cc

> > fill under the muscle- my breast should not be terribly

disfigured

> > or saggy if it has to be taken out (I would hope)

> >

> > Isn't this all crazy?? I sound somewhat ridiculous to myself

that

> > in some way I a willing to justify or take that risk.

> >

> > I have lived 30 years without implants. Based on what other

people

I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound harsh,

but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After

seeing all of the information on this site and others, including an

extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on their

appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal

clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize their

way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly

enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I

doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that

the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never thought

we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will

be the one to get cancer or other diseases.

> > tell me I am a very attractive person -I have a nice figure-my

> > breasts are probably an A to small B. I am not married and do

not

> > have a serious boyfriend. I have to ask myself whether it would

> > make any difference to someone I may fall in love with

> > whether I fit the " image " that gets shown to men everywhere

> > What is sad is the thought that even for some people who got

them

> > they ended up losing their spouses afterwards or maybe were to

ill

> > to even date! It is ironic.

> >

> > Anyway I have a lot of thinking to do this weekend. If I cancel

I

> > want to do it early next week so that the surgeon can have time

to

> > schedule someone else.

> >

> > Thanks again all of you for your thoughts

> > CJ

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I had posted this last night but see that I didn't post it in the

right spot so it wasn't seen. I see this is exactly what CJ has

decided. Here is the post- I had it under Desire For Implants.

Post : I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound

harsh,

but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After

seeing all of the information on this site and others, including an

extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on their

appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal

clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize their

way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly

enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I

doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that

the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never thought

we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will

be the one to get cancer or other diseases.

> > > Thank you to all of the ladies that have responded already.

It

> is

> > > amazing to be able to have this support and direct information

> from

> > > real people-not from brochures or studies that are paid for by

> the

> > > same people that have a particular interest in the result!!

> > >

> > > I think I really am starting to change my mind but in a way

> there

> > > is a sense of sadness. I guess like we all know there is

always

> > > that feeling that if we only look better ..or if we

> are " perfect "

> > we

> > > will have more confidence our lives will be better...Yet the

> things

> > > we do to achieve that do not necessarily bring what is

> expected.

> > We

> > > just have to change the way we think about ourselves and not

> accept

> > > the daily bombardment of " fake images "

> > >

> > > On another note, my own mother had to have silicone implants

> (shell

> > > and fill) put in 32 years ago due to them taking out her

mammary

> > > glands because of " benign " tumors. Her right breast got

> infected

> > at

> > > 6 months (they found some staph bacteria in her chest cavity)

> and

> > > had to be taken out but her left breast implant stayed

> intact.

> > 32

> > > years later having had a silicone breast implant my mother

has

> > > never had ANY health problems has more energy that people 30

> years

> > > younger and is in the best of health. She is 63 years old now

> and

> > > has never complained of anything. Her implant got a little

hard

> > but

> > > not too bad.

> > >

> > > Makes me wonder whether if I go by genetics I could have the

> same

> > > experience-no adverse effects-but there is no guarantee

> > >

> > > On the other hand I could go the route someone else suggested

> and

> > > get them anyway but at the first sign of any deterioration in

my

> > > health get them taken out

> > >

> > > Since I only plan to get a very moderate implant -maybe a 270-

> cc

> > > fill under the muscle- my breast should not be terribly

> disfigured

> > > or saggy if it has to be taken out (I would hope)

> > >

> > > Isn't this all crazy?? I sound somewhat ridiculous to myself

> that

> > > in some way I a willing to justify or take that risk.

> > >

> > > I have lived 30 years without implants. Based on what other

> people

>

> I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound harsh,

> but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After

> seeing all of the information on this site and others, including

an

> extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on

their

> appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal

> clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize

their

> way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly

> enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I

> doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that

> the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never

thought

> we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will

> be the one to get cancer or other diseases.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > tell me I am a very attractive person -I have a nice figure-my

> > > breasts are probably an A to small B. I am not married and do

> not

> > > have a serious boyfriend. I have to ask myself whether it

would

> > > make any difference to someone I may fall in love with

> > > whether I fit the " image " that gets shown to men everywhere

> > > What is sad is the thought that even for some people who got

> them

> > > they ended up losing their spouses afterwards or maybe were

to

> ill

> > > to even date! It is ironic.

> > >

> > > Anyway I have a lot of thinking to do this weekend. If I

cancel

> I

> > > want to do it early next week so that the surgeon can have

time

> to

> > > schedule someone else.

> > >

> > > Thanks again all of you for your thoughts

> > > CJ

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So true!

Like teenagers who think they are invinceable, right?

"That'll never happen to me. That kind of stuff only happens to other people."

I always thought I'd be 20-something forever. I used to think, "Gee, how old will I be in the year 2000? Wow, 34. Heck, that'll never happen. I could never be THAT old."

A-dah!

We did our part. She has been "Informed." (Sure wish I had been.)

Now we'll let her go and do it

And when she comes back here to us because she needs help, I, as well as all the others, will welcome her with love and support, right!

----- Original Message -----

From: lena_beck2004

Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:46 PM

Subject: Re: Desire for Implants

I had posted this last night but see that I didn't post it in the right spot so it wasn't seen. I see this is exactly what CJ has decided. Here is the post- I had it under Desire For Implants.Post : I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound harsh, but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After seeing all of the information on this site and others, including an extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on their appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize their way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never thought we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will be the one to get cancer or other diseases. > > > Thank you to all of the ladies that have responded already. It > is > > > amazing to be able to have this support and direct information > from > > > real people-not from brochures or studies that are paid for by > the > > > same people that have a particular interest in the result!!> > > > > > I think I really am starting to change my mind but in a way > there > > > is a sense of sadness. I guess like we all know there is always > > > that feeling that if we only look better ..or if we > are "perfect" > > we > > > will have more confidence our lives will be better...Yet the > things > > > we do to achieve that do not necessarily bring what is > expected. > > We > > > just have to change the way we think about ourselves and not > accept > > > the daily bombardment of "fake images"> > > > > > On another note, my own mother had to have silicone implants > (shell > > > and fill) put in 32 years ago due to them taking out her mammary > > > glands because of "benign" tumors. Her right breast got > infected > > at > > > 6 months (they found some staph bacteria in her chest cavity) > and > > > had to be taken out but her left breast implant stayed > intact. > > 32 > > > years later having had a silicone breast implant my mother has > > > never had ANY health problems has more energy that people 30 > years > > > younger and is in the best of health. She is 63 years old now > and > > > has never complained of anything. Her implant got a little hard > > but > > > not too bad.> > > > > > Makes me wonder whether if I go by genetics I could have the > same > > > experience-no adverse effects-but there is no guarantee> > > > > > On the other hand I could go the route someone else suggested > and > > > get them anyway but at the first sign of any deterioration in my > > > health get them taken out> > > > > > Since I only plan to get a very moderate implant -maybe a 270- > cc > > > fill under the muscle- my breast should not be terribly > disfigured > > > or saggy if it has to be taken out (I would hope)> > > > > > Isn't this all crazy?? I sound somewhat ridiculous to myself > that > > > in some way I a willing to justify or take that risk.> > > > > > I have lived 30 years without implants. Based on what other > people > > I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound harsh, > but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After > seeing all of the information on this site and others, including an > extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on their > appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal > clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize their > way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly > enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I > doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that > the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never thought > we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will > be the one to get cancer or other diseases. > > > > > > > > > > tell me I am a very attractive person -I have a nice figure-my > > > breasts are probably an A to small B. I am not married and do > not > > > have a serious boyfriend. I have to ask myself whether it would > > > make any difference to someone I may fall in love with > > > whether I fit the "image" that gets shown to men everywhere> > > What is sad is the thought that even for some people who got > them > > > they ended up losing their spouses afterwards or maybe were to > ill > > > to even date! It is ironic. > > > > > > Anyway I have a lot of thinking to do this weekend. If I cancel > I > > > want to do it early next week so that the surgeon can have time > to > > > schedule someone else.> > > > > > Thanks again all of you for your thoughts > > > CJ

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By the way............

CJ has overlooked one thing.

Her mom did not escape problems from implants. She stated that one of her mom's breasts got an infection 6-months post-op and they had to remove the implant but she was able to keep the other implant.

Am I the only one who caught that?

----- Original Message -----

From: lena_beck2004

Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:46 PM

Subject: Re: Desire for Implants

I had posted this last night but see that I didn't post it in the right spot so it wasn't seen. I see this is exactly what CJ has decided. Here is the post- I had it under Desire For Implants.Post : I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound harsh, but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After seeing all of the information on this site and others, including an extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on their appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize their way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never thought we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will be the one to get cancer or other diseases. > > > Thank you to all of the ladies that have responded already. It > is > > > amazing to be able to have this support and direct information > from > > > real people-not from brochures or studies that are paid for by > the > > > same people that have a particular interest in the result!!> > > > > > I think I really am starting to change my mind but in a way > there > > > is a sense of sadness. I guess like we all know there is always > > > that feeling that if we only look better ..or if we > are "perfect" > > we > > > will have more confidence our lives will be better...Yet the > things > > > we do to achieve that do not necessarily bring what is > expected. > > We > > > just have to change the way we think about ourselves and not > accept > > > the daily bombardment of "fake images"> > > > > > On another note, my own mother had to have silicone implants > (shell > > > and fill) put in 32 years ago due to them taking out her mammary > > > glands because of "benign" tumors. Her right breast got > infected > > at > > > 6 months (they found some staph bacteria in her chest cavity) > and > > > had to be taken out but her left breast implant stayed > intact. > > 32 > > > years later having had a silicone breast implant my mother has > > > never had ANY health problems has more energy that people 30 > years > > > younger and is in the best of health. She is 63 years old now > and > > > has never complained of anything. Her implant got a little hard > > but > > > not too bad.> > > > > > Makes me wonder whether if I go by genetics I could have the > same > > > experience-no adverse effects-but there is no guarantee> > > > > > On the other hand I could go the route someone else suggested > and > > > get them anyway but at the first sign of any deterioration in my > > > health get them taken out> > > > > > Since I only plan to get a very moderate implant -maybe a 270- > cc > > > fill under the muscle- my breast should not be terribly > disfigured > > > or saggy if it has to be taken out (I would hope)> > > > > > Isn't this all crazy?? I sound somewhat ridiculous to myself > that > > > in some way I a willing to justify or take that risk.> > > > > > I have lived 30 years without implants. Based on what other > people > > I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound harsh, > but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After > seeing all of the information on this site and others, including an > extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on their > appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem crystal > clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize their > way into just about anything if they really want to do it badly > enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on. I > doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her that > the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never thought > we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they will > be the one to get cancer or other diseases. > > > > > > > > > > tell me I am a very attractive person -I have a nice figure-my > > > breasts are probably an A to small B. I am not married and do > not > > > have a serious boyfriend. I have to ask myself whether it would > > > make any difference to someone I may fall in love with > > > whether I fit the "image" that gets shown to men everywhere> > > What is sad is the thought that even for some people who got > them > > > they ended up losing their spouses afterwards or maybe were to > ill > > > to even date! It is ironic. > > > > > > Anyway I have a lot of thinking to do this weekend. If I cancel > I > > > want to do it early next week so that the surgeon can have time > to > > > schedule someone else.> > > > > > Thanks again all of you for your thoughts > > > CJ

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Good point Depo. The funny thing about some people that want

implants who hear about our problems seem to think explantees want

to deprive others of some great experience or we're bitter

hypochondriacs. I am now of the opinion that implanted breasts are

very unattractive and I certainly pity anyone with them. The people

with bodies I admire the most are actually smaller chested.

Woohoo! :)

> > > > Thank you to all of the ladies that have responded

already.

> It

> > is

> > > > amazing to be able to have this support and direct

information

> > from

> > > > real people-not from brochures or studies that are paid

for by

> > the

> > > > same people that have a particular interest in the result!!

> > > >

> > > > I think I really am starting to change my mind but in a

way

> > there

> > > > is a sense of sadness. I guess like we all know there is

> always

> > > > that feeling that if we only look better ..or if we

> > are " perfect "

> > > we

> > > > will have more confidence our lives will be better...Yet

the

> > things

> > > > we do to achieve that do not necessarily bring what is

> > expected.

> > > We

> > > > just have to change the way we think about ourselves and

not

> > accept

> > > > the daily bombardment of " fake images "

> > > >

> > > > On another note, my own mother had to have silicone

implants

> > (shell

> > > > and fill) put in 32 years ago due to them taking out her

> mammary

> > > > glands because of " benign " tumors. Her right breast got

> > infected

> > > at

> > > > 6 months (they found some staph bacteria in her chest

cavity)

> > and

> > > > had to be taken out but her left breast implant stayed

> > intact.

> > > 32

> > > > years later having had a silicone breast implant my

mother

> has

> > > > never had ANY health problems has more energy that people

30

> > years

> > > > younger and is in the best of health. She is 63 years old

now

> > and

> > > > has never complained of anything. Her implant got a

little

> hard

> > > but

> > > > not too bad.

> > > >

> > > > Makes me wonder whether if I go by genetics I could have

the

> > same

> > > > experience-no adverse effects-but there is no guarantee

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand I could go the route someone else

suggested

> > and

> > > > get them anyway but at the first sign of any deterioration

in

> my

> > > > health get them taken out

> > > >

> > > > Since I only plan to get a very moderate implant -maybe a

270-

> > cc

> > > > fill under the muscle- my breast should not be terribly

> > disfigured

> > > > or saggy if it has to be taken out (I would hope)

> > > >

> > > > Isn't this all crazy?? I sound somewhat ridiculous to

myself

> > that

> > > > in some way I a willing to justify or take that risk.

> > > >

> > > > I have lived 30 years without implants. Based on what

other

> > people

> >

> > I agree with what you're saying to CJ, and this might sound

harsh,

> > but sometimes people really have to learn the hard way. After

> > seeing all of the information on this site and others,

including

> an

> > extensive list of celebrities whose careers depend heavily on

> their

> > appearance who have had to be explanted, it should seem

crystal

> > clear that implants are dangerous. One can try to rationalize

> their

> > way into just about anything if they really want to do it

badly

> > enough, and sadly it seems like that is the course she is on.

I

> > doubt there is anything anyone can say that will convince her

that

> > the ill effects will happen to her. It's just like we never

> thought

> > we would become ill from implants and no one ever thinks they

will

> > be the one to get cancer or other diseases.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > tell me I am a very attractive person -I have a nice

figure-my

> > > > breasts are probably an A to small B. I am not married

and do

> > not

> > > > have a serious boyfriend. I have to ask myself whether it

> would

> > > > make any difference to someone I may fall in love with

> > > > whether I fit the " image " that gets shown to men everywhere

> > > > What is sad is the thought that even for some people who

got

> > them

> > > > they ended up losing their spouses afterwards or maybe

were

> to

> > ill

> > > > to even date! It is ironic.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway I have a lot of thinking to do this weekend. If I

> cancel

> > I

> > > > want to do it early next week so that the surgeon can have

> time

> > to

> > > > schedule someone else.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again all of you for your thoughts

> > > > CJ

>

>

>

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