Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 , I am taking an herb called Chanca Piedra. You can read about it here. http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm Jeanne Message: 19 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:11 -0000 From: " dickpopey " <dickpope@...> Subject: kidney stone Hi Group, I am in the process of passing a kidney stone and wondered if anyone kows anything that will disolve it? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 , I am taking an herb called Chanca Piedra. You can read about it here. http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm Jeanne Message: 19 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:11 -0000 From: " dickpopey " <dickpope@...> Subject: kidney stone Hi Group, I am in the process of passing a kidney stone and wondered if anyone kows anything that will disolve it? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 What is your experience(s) with this herb? jbg@... wrote: >, >I am taking an herb called Chanca Piedra. You can read about it here. >http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm >Jeanne > >Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:11 -0000 > From: " dickpopey " <dickpope@...> >Subject: kidney stone > >Hi Group, I am in the process of passing a kidney stone and wondered >if anyone kows anything that will disolve it? >Thanks, > > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 What is your experience(s) with this herb? jbg@... wrote: >, >I am taking an herb called Chanca Piedra. You can read about it here. >http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm >Jeanne > >Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:11 -0000 > From: " dickpopey " <dickpope@...> >Subject: kidney stone > >Hi Group, I am in the process of passing a kidney stone and wondered >if anyone kows anything that will disolve it? >Thanks, > > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 In a message dated 3/9/2004 12:11:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, oxyplus writes: I know Saul recommends the liver flushes, but I am skeptical about them, and I don't want to do anything that I perceive to be too experimental I have a liver support, that I use personally, due to FMS. I also use it with clients, especially those with acute or terminal conditions. I don't disagree with flushes, on certain occasions. When you flush, you should be clean and detoxed when you finish the flush. After you finish the flush, however, the toxins begin to build up, in increasing amounts, until you flush again. I like the liver support because it is mild and continual, and you are detoxing every day, rather than stressing the body with a flush. Especially with people whose bodies are already stressed from disease, I find that this works well. Barb Barbara RN Health and Wellness Consultant ************************************* Energy technology products, help for sleep & discomfort Energized air treatment, w/ 5 filtering technologies Energized Water w/ coral calcium to oxygenate & alkalize, Natural whole food dietary supplements Weighted exercise shoes - increase metabolism, burn calories, tone Rife technology, rebounders, Transfer Factor Plus Liquid colostrum, T-Plus Aloe (pp. 429-231 in " Politics in Healing " ) Natural & non chemical makeup, shampoo, cleansers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 In a message dated 3/9/2004 12:11:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, oxyplus writes: I know Saul recommends the liver flushes, but I am skeptical about them, and I don't want to do anything that I perceive to be too experimental I have a liver support, that I use personally, due to FMS. I also use it with clients, especially those with acute or terminal conditions. I don't disagree with flushes, on certain occasions. When you flush, you should be clean and detoxed when you finish the flush. After you finish the flush, however, the toxins begin to build up, in increasing amounts, until you flush again. I like the liver support because it is mild and continual, and you are detoxing every day, rather than stressing the body with a flush. Especially with people whose bodies are already stressed from disease, I find that this works well. Barb Barbara RN Health and Wellness Consultant ************************************* Energy technology products, help for sleep & discomfort Energized air treatment, w/ 5 filtering technologies Energized Water w/ coral calcium to oxygenate & alkalize, Natural whole food dietary supplements Weighted exercise shoes - increase metabolism, burn calories, tone Rife technology, rebounders, Transfer Factor Plus Liquid colostrum, T-Plus Aloe (pp. 429-231 in " Politics in Healing " ) Natural & non chemical makeup, shampoo, cleansers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 And the liver support product is? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Original Message ----- From: <Bjohnsonrn@...> > I have a liver support, that I use personally, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 And the liver support product is? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.com Original Message ----- From: <Bjohnsonrn@...> > I have a liver support, that I use personally, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Hi Micul. I think you might be confused here. The recipe for liver cleansing is for olive OIL and lemon JUICE, not lemon oil. You might want to go back and read it again. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com mmicull wrote: > > Hello. > > I am new to this group. I was looking at the file section and there > was some info on the liver. Am I correct in interpreting that it says > in this info that the oil from lemon peels is good for the liver? I > have been taking some olive/lemon combo oil because I had thought > that it was good for the liver, but I recently came accross some info > that said lemon peels are carcinagenic. Does anyone know for sure. > > Micul > > > <http://www.nod32.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Hi Country Girl. This was general info on the liver, not a cleanse. It was talking about good things and bad things for the liver. I would like to know if the oil from lemons are good for the liver also, as is lemon juice. Micul Re: Liver Hi Micul. I think you might be confused here. The recipe for liver cleansing is for olive OIL and lemon JUICE, not lemon oil. You might want to go back and read it again. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com mmicull wrote: > > Hello. > > I am new to this group. I was looking at the file section and there > was some info on the liver. Am I correct in interpreting that it says > in this info that the oil from lemon peels is good for the liver? I > have been taking some olive/lemon combo oil because I had thought > that it was good for the liver, but I recently came accross some info > that said lemon peels are carcinagenic. Does anyone know for sure. > > Micul > > > <http://www.nod32.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hi Micul, Kurt Schnaubelt of Aromatherapy fame states in his book that carrot seed oil is good for the liver. If you need help in getting it in unextended or unadulterated form let me know.j Regards, K. Hessler, N.M.D. HC 1 Box 175 Centerville, MO 63633 573-924-2254 (usually home after 8 pm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Indeed, carrot seed oil is good for many things. :-) Carrot Seed Oil Carrot seed oil is cold pressed from carrot seeds. Carrot seed oil is an oil that is highly valued for skin care. It is used in complexion creams to nourish, tighten, revitalize, and rejuvenate skin. It improves skin tone, elasticity, and general skin health. It is claimed to slow the progression of wrinkles. Carrot seed oil can be used in the treatment of dermatitis, eczema, psoriasis, abscess, and rashes. It is a good, essential oil for anyone who spends time outdoors because it seems to reduce skin problems resulting from sun exposure; consequently, it is used in sun tan lotions. Carrot seed oil has antiseptic properties and high antioxidant properties. Sterol Assay Campesterol 19.6 mg/100g Stigmasterol 58.4 mg/100g Beta Sitosterol 167 mg/100g Beta Carotene 0.182mg/100g Vitamin A from Carotene 300 IU/100g Fatty Acid Profile Palmitic 3.3 gm/100g Stearic acid 0.6 gm/100g Oleic acid 68.4gm/100g Linoleic acid 10.8gm/100g Linolenic acid 0.2gm/100g Eicosenoic 0.2gm/100g Fatty Acid DistributionSaturated Fat Monounsaturated Fat Polyunsaturated Fat 3.8gm/100g 65.7gm/100g 10.6gm/100g ORAC Value umoleTE/g 482 to 875 Storage Cold pressed carrot seed oil has good oxidative stability. For best shelf life, store in dark, cool environment away from heat, light and odor. Hessler <herb@...> wrote: Hi Micul, Kurt Schnaubelt of Aromatherapy fame states in his book that carrot seed oil is good for the liver. If you need help in getting it in unextended or unadulterated form let me know.j Regards, K. Hessler, N.M.D. HC 1 Box 175 Centerville, MO 63633 573-924-2254 (usually home after 8 pm) OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Well, I really don't know on that one. I would have to do a web search with lemon oil and liver to know myself. Good luck. Donna http://www.excellentthings.com micul wrote: > Hi Country Girl. > > This was general info on the liver, not a cleanse. It was talking > about good things and bad things for the liver. > > I would like to know if the oil from lemons are good for the liver > also, as is lemon juice. > > Micul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 > This was general info on the liver, not a cleanse. It was talking > about good things and bad things for the liver. > > I would like to know if the oil from lemons are good for the liver > also, as is lemon juice. Bitter things in general are very good for the liver, so yes, lemon juice (fresh, of course), and lemon oil would be good for the liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 My thanks to those who have responded to this question. I was concerned because I had read that the outer part of the lemon peel was a carcinogen. I am not sure if this is true, or if the oil would have harmful particles from the skin in it. Micul Re: Liver > This was general info on the liver, not a cleanse. It was talking > about good things and bad things for the liver. > > I would like to know if the oil from lemons are good for the liver > also, as is lemon juice. Bitter things in general are very good for the liver, so yes, lemon juice (fresh, of course), and lemon oil would be good for the liver. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Micul, If it is organic lemon I wouldn't be concerned but who knows when it comes to regular store bough foods. Laurie Re: Re: Liver My thanks to those who have responded to this question. I was concerned because I had read that the outer part of the lemon peel was a carcinogen. I am not sure if this is true, or if the oil would have harmful particles from the skin in it. Micul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 IF you get organic lemons it should be okay I think. You wouldn't want to use regular lemons as you'd be consuming pesticides and chemicals. > My thanks to those who have responded to this question. I was concerned because I had read that the outer part of the lemon peel was a carcinogen. I am not sure if this is true, or if the oil would have harmful particles from the skin in it. > > Micul > Re: Liver > > > > This was general info on the liver, not a cleanse. It was talking > > about good things and bad things for the liver. > > > > I would like to know if the oil from lemons are good for the liver > > also, as is lemon juice. > > Bitter things in general are very good for the liver, so yes, lemon > juice (fresh, of course), and lemon oil would be good for the liver. > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Hello Franz, It sounds like we both have pretty similar symptoms. As far as liver panel tests are concerned, mine were practically always normal too. I've read that unless you are on the verge of liver failure these tests are worse than useless. I've been to 3 different alternative physicians who each through their own diagnostic procedure without me telling them that anybody else said so told me my liver was very toxic. My CT scan also showed fatty liver, 3 cysts, a line of calcification in one lobe, & some scarring. The only way I found this out was by requesting a CT scan on my own. As I said, my liver panel tests were normal. Another test that is totally useless is the standard blood test that's done for heavy metals. Unless you've just been recently poisoned, you could be chock full of metal & it wouldn't show anything at all because it's already stored in your organs. If you want a valid test it has to be an IV challange where you collect your urine or poop after being given an IV with a chelating agent in it. Even then, the test might not show things being as bad as they actually are if your livers plugged up. When I had my initial test for heavy metals, it showed high levels of lead, nickel, & bismuth. After 10 IV chelations, I had another test done. It showed lead & nickel down by 1/3, & bismuth completely gone. But I hadn't showed any trace of arsenic or mercury initially. On the second test arsenic was as high as lead had been initially & mercury was nearly that high. Also, smaller amounts of other things such as tin & antimony showed up that hadn't been detected initially. So, it seems like as things open up, different things that hadn't shown up before will start coming out of some other location within your liver. As far as the oil slick you mention when you poop, that's a pretty good indication from what I've read that your liver isn't working right. It's not digesting the fat you eat properly. Other indications of course are light colored stools. Also, I don't know whether you've ever experienced this phenomona or not but have you ever had burps that people told you smelled like farts. If you'd like any info on the doctors I mentioned that diagnosed my liver toxicity I can provide it. As I sit here in front of the computer I can feel my liver draining. It didn't start until after I'd been sitting here a few minutes. As I said in another post, I expect that soon I will probably start feeling a heat & numbness in my feet followed by a burning sensation & brain fogging in my head if I stay here too long. I believe that the electrical field is somehow causing my liver to drain bile with toxins in it. I'm 52 years old. After leaviing college, I went to work for Boeing in Seattle, Washington as a computer systems analyst in 1977. At that time, the computers used were still large IBM mainframe computers. There was no such thing as CRT terminals or PC's at that time. We wrote our programs on paper, had keypunch operators transfer them to punch cards that were fed into the computer. We had no contact whatsoever with the computer. The next step was inputing programs in through a teletype machine. Up to this point, I was happy & healthy. Then about 1981 I think, they went to CRT's. I & several other people almost simultaneously became severely depressed. We all at that time attributed it to too much stress, certain life events or just plain depression which of course had & has no real explanation. After 2 more years of struggling to function I resigned & went back home to Ohio to take over the family farm. I began to recover slowly, but had become sensitive to AC current in the house. I stayed outside all day every day & felt like shit every morning when I woke up & would gradually feel better & better as the day went on. At that time, I attributed the problems I had in the house to mold or, sewer gas, or a lack of light, or whatever. I couldn't even imagine it could have anything to do with electrical current. It took a long time to figure that out because nobody had even dreamt such a thing at that time. But anyway, it's obvious looking back, that that was going on ever since CRT's were introduced at Boeing. Also, looking back there are certain episodes I'd had even as a child that make me pretty certain my liver wasn't what it should have been from the time I was a little baby. I'd say I got heavy metal poisoning in the 1st few years of life. It's been one long struggle to fight through all the aftermath of a toxic liver such as chemical sensitivity, allergies, infections of various kinds, to get to where you could begin to see the forest for the trees so to speak & come to believe as I do now that it all began with being poisoned at an early age to the extent that my livers ability to function & eliminate toxins was weakened compared to the average person. Hopefully, we're just on the very edge of understanding this whole mess & have a standard protocol for recovery so all the millions of people who've been half poisoned, had their livers fucked up, & their lives totally fucked up won't have to go through all this misery. Like I said, it sounds to me like we have pretty similar problems, if there's anything else I can tell you or you can tell me, let me know. M. liver > > Dear , > > I read about your liver. > > My liver hurts (probably my liver, the pain is at the right side up > to my ribs). I notice this especially when in the working place > (where I have to work since three weeks; I can't be there for more > than half an hour without serious symptoms - so I have a problem) and > e.g. driving my car. > > Always I wonder if alcohol is the cause. But always again blood tests > show ASAT, ALAT, AF, GGT, BILI and vitamin B12 to be o.k. and the B12 > even excellent. So probably the pain has another cause. > > When I go to the toilet many times there is a shine of oil on the > water above the faeces. As if I am excreting oil. Strange. > > I have problems related to electromagnetic radiation since Febr. > 2003. Was unable to do my job for half a year (job and home were both > in the centre of The Hague in a dense populated area), discovered the > relationship with e.m.-field values, moved (had to move, couldn't be > in the appartment anymore) (to a too expensive house at the seaside), > got some symptoms again, discovered that also dect and wlan > (neighbours) are a problem, got psychotic (anxious), was hospitalized > (terrible, they had a dect and low energy lights there), unable to do > my job for another half year, returned slowly to my job (though > permanently dizzy at my desk) and now, three weeks ago, they moved my > job to the 23th floor of a building 100 metres from a large send > tower, radio/tv/digital broadcast and beam transmitters, and the > office has low energy high frequency TL. > > I don't know where my life is going (down, anyway). > > It is unbelievable that people don't know, want to know, anything > about 'sensitivity' to radiofrequent electromagnetic radiation (and > to other frequencies). > > Frans > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Practically normal liver tests can signal a lot of abnormality. I have had experience with doctors saying it is almost normal while have been carrying hep C virus. I would disagree with you statement that > unless you are on the verge of liver failure these > tests are worse than > useless. Despite the fact that those tests are far from perfect they do tell a lot. I would say of all blood test liver function tests are the most telling. I am curious to know wtat diagnostics procedure those 3 alternative practitioners uses. As far as I knew CT Scans could not show the scarring and liver biopsy was required for that. --- john <runicm@...> wrote: > Hello Franz, > It sounds like we both have pretty similar > symptoms. As far as liver panel > tests are concerned, mine were practically always > normal too. I've read that > unless you are on the verge of liver failure these > tests are worse than > useless. I've been to 3 different alternative > physicians who each through > their own diagnostic procedure without me telling > them that anybody else > said so told me my liver was very toxic. My CT scan > also showed fatty liver, > 3 cysts, a line of calcification in one lobe, & some > scarring. The only way > I found this out was by requesting a CT scan on my > own. As I said, my liver > panel tests were normal. Another test that is > totally useless is the > standard blood test that's done for heavy metals. > Unless you've just been > recently poisoned, you could be chock full of metal > & it wouldn't show > anything at all because it's already stored in your > organs. If you want a > valid test it has to be an IV challange where you > collect your urine or poop > after being given an IV with a chelating agent in > it. > Even then, the test might not show things being > as bad as they actually > are if your livers plugged up. When I had my initial > test for heavy metals, > it showed high levels of lead, nickel, & bismuth. > After 10 IV chelations, I > had another test done. It showed lead & nickel down > by 1/3, & bismuth > completely gone. But I hadn't showed any trace of > arsenic or mercury > initially. On the second test arsenic was as high as > lead had been initially > & mercury was nearly that high. Also, smaller > amounts of other things such > as tin & antimony showed up that hadn't been > detected initially. So, it > seems like as things open up, different things that > hadn't shown up before > will start coming out of some other location within > your liver. > As far as the oil slick you mention when you > poop, that's a pretty > good indication from what I've read that your liver > isn't working right. > It's not digesting the fat you eat properly. > Other indications of course are light colored > stools. > Also, I don't know whether you've ever > experienced this phenomona or not > but have you ever had burps that people told you > smelled like farts. > If you'd like any info on the doctors I mentioned > that diagnosed my liver > toxicity I can provide it. > As I sit here in front of the computer I can feel > my liver draining. It > didn't start until after I'd been sitting here a few > minutes. As I said in > another post, I expect that soon I will probably > start feeling a heat & > numbness in my feet followed by a burning sensation > & brain fogging in my > head if I stay here too long. I believe that the > electrical field is somehow > causing my liver to drain bile with toxins in it. > I'm 52 years old. After leaviing college, I went > to work for Boeing in > Seattle, Washington as a computer systems analyst in > 1977. At that time, the > computers used were still large IBM mainframe > computers. There was no such > thing as CRT terminals or PC's at that time. We > wrote our programs on paper, > had keypunch operators transfer them to punch cards > that were fed into the > computer. We had no contact whatsoever with the > computer. The next step was > inputing programs in through a teletype machine. Up > to this point, I was > happy & healthy. Then about 1981 I think, they went > to CRT's. I & several > other people almost simultaneously became severely > depressed. We all at that > time attributed it to too much stress, certain life > events or just plain > depression which of course had & has no real > explanation. After 2 more years > of struggling to function I resigned & went back > home to Ohio to take over > the family farm. I began to recover slowly, but had > become sensitive to AC > current in the house. I stayed outside all day every > day & felt like shit > every morning when I woke up & would gradually feel > better & better as the > day went on. At that time, I attributed the problems > I had in the house to > mold or, sewer gas, or a lack of light, or whatever. > I couldn't even imagine > it could have anything to do with electrical > current. It took a long time > to figure that out because nobody had even dreamt > such a thing at that time. > But anyway, it's obvious looking back, that that was > going on ever since > CRT's were introduced at Boeing. > Also, looking back there are certain episodes I'd > had even as a child > that make me pretty certain my liver wasn't what it > should have been from > the time I was a little baby. I'd say I got heavy > metal poisoning in the 1st > few years of life. It's been one long struggle to > fight through all the > aftermath of a toxic liver such as chemical > sensitivity, allergies, > infections of various kinds, to get to where you > could begin to see the > forest for the trees so to speak & come to believe > as I do now that it all > began with being poisoned at an early age to the > extent that my livers > ability to function & eliminate toxins was weakened > compared to the average > person. > Hopefully, we're just on the very edge of > understanding this whole mess & > have a standard protocol for recovery so all the > millions of people who've > been half poisoned, had their livers fucked up, & > their lives totally fucked > up won't have to go through all this misery. > Like I said, it sounds to me like we have pretty > similar problems, if > there's anything else I can tell you or you can tell > me, let me know. > > M. > > liver > > > > > > Dear , > > > > I read about your liver. > > > > My liver hurts (probably my liver, the pain is at > the right side up > > to my ribs). I notice this especially when in the > working place > > (where I have to work since three weeks; I can't > be there for more > > than half an hour without serious symptoms - so I > have a problem) and > > e.g. driving my car. > > > > Always I wonder if alcohol is the cause. But > always again blood tests > > show ASAT, ALAT, AF, GGT, BILI and vitamin B12 to > be o.k. and the B12 > > even excellent. So probably the pain has another > cause. > > > > When I go to the toilet many times there is a > shine of oil on the > > water above the faeces. As if I am excreting oil. > Strange. > > > > I have problems related to electromagnetic > radiation since Febr. > > 2003. Was unable to do my job for half a year (job > and home were both > > in the centre of The Hague in a dense populated > area), discovered the > > relationship with e.m.-field values, moved (had to > move, couldn't be > > in the appartment anymore) (to a too expensive > house at the seaside), > > got some symptoms again, discovered that also dect > and wlan > > (neighbours) are a problem, got psychotic > (anxious), was hospitalized > > (terrible, they had a dect and low energy lights > there), unable to do > > my job for another half year, returned slowly to > my job (though > > permanently dizzy at my desk) and now, three weeks > ago, === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Hello, it is my experience, that people who have *cleansed* their liver (and have gotten out a lot of gall stones) according the principle og Hulda , are feeling much better afterwards, and they can stand the electrosmog much better. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus liver > > > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > I read about your liver. > > > > > > My liver hurts (probably my liver, the pain is at > > the right side up > > > to my ribs). I notice this especially when in the > > working place > > > (where I have to work since three weeks; I can't > > be there for more > > > than half an hour without serious symptoms - so I > > have a problem) and > > > e.g. driving my car. > > > > > > Always I wonder if alcohol is the cause. But > > always again blood tests > > > show ASAT, ALAT, AF, GGT, BILI and vitamin B12 to > > be o.k. and the B12 > > > even excellent. So probably the pain has another > > cause. > > > > > > When I go to the toilet many times there is a > > shine of oil on the > > > water above the faeces. As if I am excreting oil. > > Strange. > > > > > > I have problems related to electromagnetic > > radiation since Febr. > > > 2003. Was unable to do my job for half a year (job > > and home were both > > > in the centre of The Hague in a dense populated > > area), discovered the > > > relationship with e.m.-field values, moved (had to > > move, couldn't be > > > in the appartment anymore) (to a too expensive > > house at the seaside), > > > got some symptoms again, discovered that also dect > > and wlan > > > (neighbours) are a problem, got psychotic > > (anxious), was hospitalized > > > (terrible, they had a dect and low energy lights > > there), unable to do > > > my job for another half year, returned slowly to > > my job (though > > > permanently dizzy at my desk) and now, three weeks > > ago, > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Hello, Of course all I have to relate to is my own experience with these tests. As I said, with me they gave absolutely no indication of the toxic substances that have been stored in my liver. The reason I use the phrase " worse than useless " is that for years my liver panel tests were used as convincing proof by doctors to me that my liver was perfectly normal. Because of this, I never considered that my liver could have anything to do with my illness. I feel that many years were wasted for me because I didn't know enough to question this. As far as the CT scan is concerned, all I know is what it said on the radiologists report. I have a copy of it. I could hunt it up & read it to you word for word if you'd like. The doctors I mention are all in Ohio where I live. The first to give me this diagnosis was a chiropractor who touched various points on my body while using muscle testing to see which organs weren't functioning properly. His name is Bashline. His practice is located in Flushing, Ohio. The second was a naturopathic physician located in Akron, Ohio. His name is Gene Hummel. His phone is 330-990-2829. His method for diagnosis is very interesting. I think he said it was called a Phazyx. I think there's a web site for it. It uses a computer which receives input from a wrist band with a metal conductor attached that is wired to the device which translates electrical signals for input into the computer. The algorithm that is run on the computer transmits different frequencies that corrospond to the frequencies of , I think he said over 10000 substances, body systems, pathogens, & etc. to the wrist of the subject & then receives an electrical response back for each. In another post, I mentioned that NAET employs vials that have been imprinted with electrical frequencies that correspond to each substance. So I believe this is basically an automated, much cheaper, much faster variation of NAET. I also remember seeing on Hulda 's website a long list of pathogens & the electrical frequencies corresponding to each. I think there's some sort of electrical device they use also for diagnosis & treatment by making use of these electrical frequencies. It takes about 20 minutes for the computer to go through all 10000 items. When the program finishes it gives a detailed indication of abnormalities such as abnormal functioning organs, pathogens currently in the body, & a list of deficiencies & substances that would be most beneficial in restoring health. I know it sounds like bullshit, but it came up with several things I already knew about myself before it was used. For one thing, I had a chest cold when I did it & it said my lungs were stressed & that I had a virus. And as I already mentioned, it indicated that I had a toxic liver. He put me on a liver suppliment which was indicated by the program along with several other things to begin to detoxify my liver. I began trying to clean out my liver at this time by also doing liver flushes as detailed by Hulda . The third physician is a nutritionalist who tests by taking a saliva sample, a urine sample, adding some substance to each of these and doing some sort of lab analysis on them. He also closely examined my eyes. Based on his initial analysis he said that he didn't know my previous history but he said whatever I was doing, it was killing me. He said my liver was in sad shape & prescribed a program to begin to detoxify & heal it. He said that if I adhered strictly to what he said, it would take about 4 years for my liver to return to perfect health. I've incorporated several things including IV chelation in hopes of making the recovery time a lot less. I do adhere to his recommendations though they are very very severe. One thing is that during the day you alternate drinking 8 ounces of distilled water with 8 ounces of lemon juice every hour. This is the most inconvenient aspect of the program & I'm not totally adhering to this part all the time. The next thing is the diet. There are a number of foods you absolutely can't eat. Apparently some of these correspond to things which are forbidden in the bible though this program has nothing to do with any religion. The main things you don't eat are, white flour, cane sugar, white potatoes, butter or any dairy products with any butter fat in them, no skinned fish, such as cat fish, or tuna, no shellfish & by far the absolute most important of all is no pork or pork products. According to him, you should even go so far as to throw away any cookware that's ever had pork, bacon, ham, or whatever cooked in it & buy new. What you are supposed to eat is 3 meals a day, a salad with lunch & dinner, plenty of fruit, & anything not on the bad list. This nutritionalist's name is Chalen Wycoff. He is located in St. Clairsville, Ohio. His phone number is 740-695-9188. M. From: Konstantin Freger Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Re: liver Practically normal liver tests can signal a lot of abnormality. I have had experience with doctors saying it is almost normal while have been carrying hep C virus. I would disagree with you statement that > unless you are on the verge of liver failure these > tests are worse than > useless. Despite the fact that those tests are far from perfect they do tell a lot. I would say of all blood test liver function tests are the most telling. I am curious to know wtat diagnostics procedure those 3 alternative practitioners uses. As far as I knew CT Scans could not show the scarring and liver biopsy was required for that. --- john <runicm@...> wrote: > Hello Franz, > It sounds like we both have pretty similar > symptoms. As far as liver panel > tests are concerned, mine were practically always > normal too. I've read that > unless you are on the verge of liver failure these > tests are worse than > useless. I've been to 3 different alternative > physicians who each through > their own diagnostic procedure without me telling > them that anybody else > said so told me my liver was very toxic. My CT scan > also showed fatty liver, > 3 cysts, a line of calcification in one lobe, & some > scarring. The only way > I found this out was by requesting a CT scan on my > own. As I said, my liver > panel tests were normal. Another test that is > totally useless is the > standard blood test that's done for heavy metals. > Unless you've just been > recently poisoned, you could be chock full of metal > & it wouldn't show > anything at all because it's already stored in your > organs. If you want a > valid test it has to be an IV challange where you > collect your urine or poop > after being given an IV with a chelating agent in > it. > Even then, the test might not show things being > as bad as they actually > are if your livers plugged up. When I had my initial > test for heavy metals, > it showed high levels of lead, nickel, & bismuth. > After 10 IV chelations, I > had another test done. It showed lead & nickel down > by 1/3, & bismuth > completely gone. But I hadn't showed any trace of > arsenic or mercury > initially. On the second test arsenic was as high as > lead had been initially > & mercury was nearly that high. Also, smaller > amounts of other things such > as tin & antimony showed up that hadn't been > detected initially. So, it > seems like as things open up, different things that > hadn't shown up before > will start coming out of some other location within > your liver. > As far as the oil slick you mention when you > poop, that's a pretty > good indication from what I've read that your liver > isn't working right. > It's not digesting the fat you eat properly. > Other indications of course are light colored > stools. > Also, I don't know whether you've ever > experienced this phenomona or not > but have you ever had burps that people told you > smelled like farts. > If you'd like any info on the doctors I mentioned > that diagnosed my liver > toxicity I can provide it. > As I sit here in front of the computer I can feel > my liver draining. It > didn't start until after I'd been sitting here a few > minutes. As I said in > another post, I expect that soon I will probably > start feeling a heat & > numbness in my feet followed by a burning sensation > & brain fogging in my > head if I stay here too long. I believe that the > electrical field is somehow > causing my liver to drain bile with toxins in it. > I'm 52 years old. After leaviing college, I went > to work for Boeing in > Seattle, Washington as a computer systems analyst in > 1977. At that time, the > computers used were still large IBM mainframe > computers. There was no such > thing as CRT terminals or PC's at that time. We > wrote our programs on paper, > had keypunch operators transfer them to punch cards > that were fed into the > computer. We had no contact whatsoever with the > computer. The next step was > inputing programs in through a teletype machine. Up > to this point, I was > happy & healthy. Then about 1981 I think, they went > to CRT's. I & several > other people almost simultaneously became severely > depressed. We all at that > time attributed it to too much stress, certain life > events or just plain > depression which of course had & has no real > explanation. After 2 more years > of struggling to function I resigned & went back > home to Ohio to take over > the family farm. I began to recover slowly, but had > become sensitive to AC > current in the house. I stayed outside all day every > day & felt like shit > every morning when I woke up & would gradually feel > better & better as the > day went on. At that time, I attributed the problems > I had in the house to > mold or, sewer gas, or a lack of light, or whatever. > I couldn't even imagine > it could have anything to do with electrical > current. It took a long time > to figure that out because nobody had even dreamt > such a thing at that time. > But anyway, it's obvious looking back, that that was > going on ever since > CRT's were introduced at Boeing. > Also, looking back there are certain episodes I'd > had even as a child > that make me pretty certain my liver wasn't what it > should have been from > the time I was a little baby. I'd say I got heavy > metal poisoning in the 1st > few years of life. It's been one long struggle to > fight through all the > aftermath of a toxic liver such as chemical > sensitivity, allergies, > infections of various kinds, to get to where you > could begin to see the > forest for the trees so to speak & come to believe > as I do now that it all > began with being poisoned at an early age to the > extent that my livers > ability to function & eliminate toxins was weakened > compared to the average > person. > Hopefully, we're just on the very edge of > understanding this whole mess & > have a standard protocol for recovery so all the > millions of people who've > been half poisoned, had their livers fucked up, & > their lives totally fucked > up won't have to go through all this misery. > Like I said, it sounds to me like we have pretty > similar problems, if > there's anything else I can tell you or you can tell > me, let me know. > > M. > > liver > > > > > > Dear , > > > > I read about your liver. > > > > My liver hurts (probably my liver, the pain is at > the right side up > > to my ribs). I notice this especially when in the > working place > > (where I have to work since three weeks; I can't > be there for more > > than half an hour without serious symptoms - so I > have a problem) and > > e.g. driving my car. > > > > Always I wonder if alcohol is the cause. But > always again blood tests > > show ASAT, ALAT, AF, GGT, BILI and vitamin B12 to > be o.k. and the B12 > > even excellent. So probably the pain has another > cause. > > > > When I go to the toilet many times there is a > shine of oil on the > > water above the faeces. As if I am excreting oil. > Strange. > > > > I have problems related to electromagnetic > radiation since Febr. > > 2003. Was unable to do my job for half a year (job > and home were both > > in the centre of The Hague in a dense populated > area), discovered the > > relationship with e.m.-field values, moved (had to > move, couldn't be > > in the appartment anymore) (to a too expensive > house at the seaside), > > got some symptoms again, discovered that also dect > and wlan > > (neighbours) are a problem, got psychotic > (anxious), was hospitalized > > (terrible, they had a dect and low energy lights > there), unable to do > > my job for another half year, returned slowly to > my job (though > > permanently dizzy at my desk) and now, three weeks > ago, === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi All, Since the topic of Liver Flushes appeared yesterday, I thought it might be of interest to note that Dom Antifeatro, host of Real_Kefir_Making posted a message last night claiming that he cured his own case of Hepatitis C (which he struggled with for twenty five years) with a protocol of raw milk kefir and Cod Liver Oil. His biopsy results showed NO Hepatitis virus, only antibodies. __________________________________ Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Hello you guys: You're going to think I'm a dummy, but this email below was ended with, " I just wish I had known about CS back then. " WHAT IS CS? Bonnie Liver Osiyo Sidanelvi! Hello My Family! When I had candidiasis (systemic candida infection) my DO put me on Milk Thistle 500 mg twice a day to help the liver clear itself and heal itself from the toxins built up and stored by taking huge doses of Diflucan. Milk Thistle also flushes stored fats from the liver. I was on a very strict diet of no sugar, transfats, processed flours, high carb veggies, etc of any kind. I just wish I had known of CS back then. Love Bob Adageyudi Staya Udanvti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Below you were talking about Milk Thistle and I bought some. I thought it would help the Liver...on the bottle it says... " Consult a Health Care Practitioner if you have impaired Liver function " . Isn't Milk Thistle SPECIFICALLY used for impaired Liver function? I wasn't sure if I should use it. Thanks for clearing that up for me, anyone. Bonnie Liver Osiyo Sidanelvi! Hello My Family! When I had candidiasis (systemic candida infection) my DO put me on Milk Thistle 500 mg twice a day to help the liver clear itself and heal itself from the toxins built up and stored by taking huge doses of Diflucan. Milk Thistle also flushes stored fats from the liver. I was on a very strict diet of no sugar, transfats, processed flours, high carb veggies, etc of any kind. I just wish I had known of CS back then. Love Bob Adageyudi Staya Udanvti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Hello you guys: You're going to think I'm a dummy, but this email below was ended with, " I just wish I had known about CS back then. " WHAT IS CS? Bonnie Liver Osiyo Sidanelvi! Hello My Family! When I had candidiasis (systemic candida infection) my DO put me on Milk Thistle 500 mg twice a day to help the liver clear itself and heal itself from the toxins built up and stored by taking huge doses of Diflucan. Milk Thistle also flushes stored fats from the liver. I was on a very strict diet of no sugar, transfats, processed flours, high carb veggies, etc of any kind. I just wish I had known of CS back then. Love Bob Adageyudi Staya Udanvti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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