HELP!!!

[Guest guest]

Hey , this is the message I take issue with. The link below leads to another Dr.'s site.

Kind of sneaky for someone to do that on Dr. A's site I think.

I hope you are well!

Re: help!!!

The Lap Band

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Since it is late, I guess Nina might be

sleeping so I will try and respond. The link you sent in was for Dr.

which I believe is a doctor that teamed up with Dr. Aceves recently to provide

care to Texas patients since he is located on the eastern side of Mexico which is closer to Texas. However you are posting on “Dr-Acveves bandsters” and

since not a lot of people knew of this “partnership” I can

understand some feathers being ruffled. J Once in a

while we get “spammers” on here who will send a link to another

doctors web site and since this is a “doctor specific” list, we do

get a little protective of our Dr. Aceves.

Nina may have a better explanation then I

do. I am wondering if there are other patients of Dr. on this list

and if so, we might change the name of the list or create a new list for those

patients so they can share their experiences. , no harm done as far as I

am concerned you didn’t realize the list you were posting to.

In Texas

3/1/05

280/207.5/160

http://www.tracyslapband.com

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of bradshawtravels@...

Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005

11:42 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

help!!!

Hi My name is

...I was not trying to be sneaky or insulting this wed site,,,I did not

realize I was on any one particular DOCTORS website..I am new to all this and

it was an honest slip. I was just trying to help a young woman make a wise

disjoin and that there are many options out there. So don't take it so

personal...it was an accident I send it...but everyone deserves to know all the

facts. Are we not helping everyone on this site to better them self by our

experiences?

Please accept

my apology if I offend someone

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I will definitely contact you with questions. Be

prepared. Ha Ha

> Hey ,

> I think it is kind of tacky that another Dr had to slip in his

advertisement on Dr Aceves's site. We on this site are very

dedicated to Dr Aceves because he has treated us all so well. I

think the moderator should delete this message.

> Goes to show, some are desperate for the business. I think Dr

Aceves stands on his own reputation.

> Again, take care and if you have any questions please let me

now. Yu can also email me at jugross@v...

> Take Care,

>

> Washington State

> Re: help!!!

>

>

> The Lap Band

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, it does help.

> Hi ,

> I can help you out with the flight cost.....

> I'm having my surgery next Wed and I'm flying out of Orlando. The

cost was $253 round trip with a stop over in Atlanta and then on to San

Diego where I will be picked up by the driver and driven to Mexicali.

Even though the cost to fly there is minimal, I've decided to try to

get my fills locally. Hope this helps.

> Debby

[Guest guest]

Yes, you nweed to delete that bradshawtravel email adress, they keep advertising other doctors on here. If anyone new wants questions answered about the care and treatment you get in Mexico with Dr. Aceves feeel free to call me, I would be gald to tell you everyhting, it is the best decision and he is the best doc you could choose,

Tracie in Texas 817-441-5211 or 817-692-0346

[Guest guest]

sORRY HERE i GO NTO READING ALL THE MAIL BEFORE OPENING MY BIG MOUTH AND STICKING MY FOOT IN IT, SORRY DIANA.

TRACIE B.

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri,

I can answer your questions based on my own personal journey to lose

the weight. I am pre-op, will have the surgery this friday. I am 5'4 "

340lbs, this is the heaviest I've ever been but with that I have

always been overweight as a kid. I am 36, and I don't have any

comorbidites...YET, however the longer I wait the worse my health will

get. You're 27, if you were to have this surgery now, you could reduce

the likelihood of ever developing diabetes, high blood pressure and so

forth. Yes, it is a surgery but the risk of dying is very very

low...like 1 in 2,000 surgeries (? you may have to ask someone else on

the statistics) in fact I think there has only been 1 death and I

don't believe it was due to the surgery but complications of being

morbidly obese...I think they had alot of medical problems that were

due to the weight prior to the surgery.

I began my search about 2 years ago, I was going to do RNY but I

didn't like the idea of cutting my stomach and rearranging my

plumbing...I mean God put it there for a reason...lets not toy with

things. Then I heard about the lapband and I felt more at ease with

this surgery. Now, money is a factor for me and I do not have

insurance. I could have done the Medicaid thing (I guess, I never

really tried) but they only do the RNY. So, I did more research and

came acrossed this website: tracyslapband.com ( Mills a patient

of Dr. A). Reading her journey and her experience with Dr. Aceves in

Mexicali. She includes other resources and other people who have used

Dr. A. From everyone I have talked to who has had surgery with Dr. A

they did fine, had no complaints and were happy. Now, granted some

have had some infections but that could be due to many different

things, it could happen in the US...however, I don't think anyone here

on the board has had that problem. If you follow the directions they

give you, you should be successful.

Now, your husband is concerned and that is okay. However, what will

happen in your future? What's in store if you remain to be heavy, and

once you hit menapause it is much harder to lose the weight...even

with surgery. I resolved my quesitions by doing what you are doing,

reaching out to others and getting their story about the lapband. Do

your research, contact as many people as you can before you make the

decision. Check out Obesityhelp.com, forums: there is a lapband one

and South of the Border. Talk to people here in the forum.

There is a link to show a live lapband procedure, I'm sure I can find

it...if not I am sure someone in here can forward the link to you. As

they do the surgery, the doctors answering questions...maybe you and

your husband can watch together?

Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best! Take CAre of yourself

and do your research

Kelli

>

> i am very concern. my husband and i have been tring to decide what to

> do. i weight 288 and i am 5'7 and 27 years old. i am so young to be

> this heavy, and when i first got married eight years ago, i weighted

> 170. then i had three beatiful children. and the weight came on. my

> husband keeps telling me what if i die. what will happen to the

> family. i am so torn. i have tried so many diets and have spent so

> much money. what does anyone think? did anyone else have the same

> problem. i want to be there for my children and i want to be thin

> again. i am so scared. does anyone live in orlando area that can

> come and talk to both my husband and myself? and if you dont and you

> would like to just help me that is fine. has anyone have any bad

> experince at all? please tell me! thank you for your time.

>

[Guest guest]

hi

my husband was the same way as far as the concern of me not coming back from

surgery and the kids would be with out their mother. my husband went with me

and I think after seeing the hospital and how well you are cared for it set

his mind at ease. we had a great experience and I wouldn't change anything.

for me I was willing to go for it so that my kids will have a mom who can

participate in their active lives. I live in Oregon so not much help as far

as getting together but if you would like to talk email me at

charlynn@... I can get you my phone number and our husbands can

talk if that would help him.

Charlynn Snoke

Banded 11/10/05

236/211/155

help!!!

> i am very concern. my husband and i have been tring to decide what to

> do. i weight 288 and i am 5'7 and 27 years old. i am so young to be

> this heavy, and when i first got married eight years ago, i weighted

> 170. then i had three beatiful children. and the weight came on. my

> husband keeps telling me what if i die. what will happen to the

> family. i am so torn. i have tried so many diets and have spent so

> much money. what does anyone think? did anyone else have the same

> problem. i want to be there for my children and i want to be thin

> again. i am so scared. does anyone live in orlando area that can

> come and talk to both my husband and myself? and if you dont and you

> would like to just help me that is fine. has anyone have any bad

> experince at all? please tell me! thank you for your time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Man...I wish I had had the opportunity at 27 to HAVE this surgery. That is the year I had my last child, and also when I really started to pack on the pounds. If you REALLY want to be there for your kids, and grandkids...I say GO FOR IT! The risks caused by a life of obesity far, far, outweigh the risks with this surgery!! Honestly, I think I have more energy, after losing 37 lbs, at age 44, than I did when I WAS 27!! Of course, I don't often get woken in the middle of the night these days either...all my kids are grown up....

There is a wealth of information and support right here at your fingertips...and if you haven't been there yet, check out Obesityhelp.com...there is a bunch of info there too!! Good luck in your decision!!BIG HUGS, AND GOD'S BLESSINGSDawnita MayLowpass, Oregon10/05/05 dob "Iraida" 209/172/135 5ft 3inches See Mylatest photos at: http://dawnita1961.myphotoalbum.com/

[Guest guest]

Hi

I do not live near Orsando but here is my 2 cents

worth. Other people have given you links and sights

to visit. I think you should visit them and read back

into the archives on this message board. Call some of

the phone numbers people have given on the board. The

more research you do, I believe, the less scared you

will feel and the more confident you will become that

this is a good route to take! You fill out a health

quetionaire for Dr. A before he will accept you for

surgery so he is cautious and very competent. I have

been reading the messages on this board since mid

July, 2005, and have not heard anything " bad " about

Dr. Aceves. He is experienced, professional and

caring. My daughter had her surgery on August 4, 2005

and I went with her to " check everything out " and as

soon as I got home I got my surgery date and had the

lapband put in on September 26. I have not regretted

it for a minute. I feel so much better and all my

aches and pains in my knees and back disappeared

within a month of the surgery! What a great feeling.

I am 66 years old and the only regret I have is that I

didn't know about this sooner so I could have had it

done when I was younger! Best of luck to you in your

reasearch and in making the decision that is right for

you!

Penny

Penny Manville

Walden, Colorado

DOB 9/26/05

230/194/135

1st fill 12/9/05 1cc

5'4 "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

hi c,very sorry for your trouble.diversion is directly violating most recent black box warning on this site from SAMHSA that EtG is only experimental and should never be used alone to diagnose relapse.your story is all to common on this site and a very sad and tragic abuse of power by ignorant people in belligerent denial in authority... you are not alone.we are here and will help you.do not give up.i might review all recent postings...asa should not be a factor in your positives...the bottom line from is that either from auto-brewing or absorption of etoh your max endogenous blood etoh went up(see UAE study table 1) and caused you to conjugate more EtG in your liver,then producing the false positives in your urine... as you review previous posts see if you see any other factors that might apply to

you.i would do everything i could to learn about this test so that you might appeal diversion decision above...legal representation seems wise...many people are here with similar stories are here to help you... again welcome aboard...we look forward to working with you to solve our common problem...hang in there,this too shall pass as more is revealed. regards,r cnllrn <carriebrn@...> wrote: I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently within the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was 600 and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my sobreity date basically making me start over and with the second they suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober living home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is causing me to test positive. After my first one I have been very diligent about what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out. Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC on 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive ETG test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good program, that I wasn't practicing "acceptance". I don't know what to

do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child into the sober living home with me.I can't work because they suspended my license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any problems, I ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If anyone has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly apperciate it.

[Guest guest]

hi c,did a little research and my mistake, although excedrin has asa,it also has the #1 OTC offender...acetamenophen...it blocks normal liver path for endogenous etoh causing more EtG conjugation...if you were taking it,it could be responsible...several people on the site have stopped their tylenol and had no further false positives...hope this helps,regards,r Excedrin is an over-the-counter headache pain reliever, typically in the form of tablets or caplets. It contains acetaminophen, aspirin, and caffeine. Until late 2005 it was manufactured by Bristol-Myers Squibb, but in July 2005 it was purchased by (and is now produced by) Novartis, along with other products from BMS's over-the-counter business. It's one of the top ten selling over-the-counter medicine brands[1]. The brand became famous after advertisements in which Excedrin cured especially unpleasant and excruciating headaches (which were termed in the advertisements as "Excedrin headaches," later

called "Excedrin tension headaches"). The advertisements, which first started in the 1960s [2], continue today. robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: hi c,very sorry for your trouble.diversion is directly violating most recent black box warning on this site from SAMHSA that EtG is only

experimental and should never be used alone to diagnose relapse.your story is all to common on this site and a very sad and tragic abuse of power by ignorant people in belligerent denial in authority... you are not alone.we are here and will help you.do not give up.i might review all recent postings...asa should not be a factor in your positives...the bottom line from is that either from auto-brewing or absorption of etoh your max endogenous blood etoh went up(see UAE study table 1) and caused you to conjugate more EtG in your liver,then producing the false positives in your urine... as you review previous posts see if you see any other factors that might apply to you.i would do everything i could to learn about this test so that you might appeal diversion decision above...legal representation

seems wise...many people are here with similar stories are here to help you... again welcome aboard...we look forward to working with you to solve our common problem...hang in there,this too shall pass as more is revealed. regards,r cnllrn <carriebrnhotmail> wrote: I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently within the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was 600 and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my sobreity date basically making me start over and with the second they suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober living home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is causing me to test positive. After

my first one I have been very diligent about what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out. Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC on 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive ETG test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good program, that I wasn't practicing "acceptance". I don't know what to do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child into the sober living home with me.I can't work because they suspended my license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any problems, I ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If anyone has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly apperciate it.

[Guest guest]

Dear C: good advice from Robin as always! Please be sure to submit a

copy of the Advisory to your board. Like the others have said, there

are many of us here. Any change in any meds? What about BCP? Please

keep posting and let us know where you are.........joy

> I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently within

> the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was 600

> and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my sobreity

> date basically making me start over and with the second they

> suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober living

> home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is causing me

> to test positive. After my first one I have been very diligent about

> what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out.

> Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving

> Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC on

> 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive ETG

> test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I

> tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good

> program, that I wasn't practicing " acceptance " . I don't know what to

> do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child into

> the sober living home with me.I can't work because they suspended my

> license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any problems, I

> ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive

> tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If anyone

> has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly apperciate

> it.

>

[Guest guest]

To cnllrn:::Hello again: have you gone to the database at this site,

there is a ton of information that has been collected by some of the

orginal members, they have put a lot of time and effort to educate the

newer victims of EtG. ........please take the time to read it and

check out the " links " section etc............joy

>

> I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently within

> the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was 600

> and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my sobreity

> date basically making me start over and with the second they

> suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober living

> home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is causing me

> to test positive. After my first one I have been very diligent about

> what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out.

> Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving

> Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC on

> 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive ETG

> test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I

> tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good

> program, that I wasn't practicing " acceptance " . I don't know what to

> do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child into

> the sober living home with me.I can't work because they suspended my

> license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any problems, I

> ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive

> tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If anyone

> has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly apperciate

> it.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi C, like the others have said, welcome and sorry you had to find us like this,

but we're all

familiar with your story here. I am also curious, WHAT STATE ARE YOU IN, and

did you

find the advisory from SAMHSA to show to your board? It clearly states NOT to

do what

they are doing to you; I know my diversion program is supposedly now considering

" incidental " exposure to be under 500 (or so I have heard) and I am wondering

still if they

will change anything else since this advisory, that only came out last

week...(As there is no

real established " cut off " number anyway...). Anyway, definately STOP the

tylenol, and ANY

other med you can, and definately check out the advisory at samhsa.gov, then

search

under " advisory " and its the first one there " biomarkers for etoh... " Good luck,

hang in

there...

Amy (RN in CA)

>

> I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently within

> the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was 600

> and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my sobreity

> date basically making me start over and with the second they

> suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober living

> home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is causing me

> to test positive. After my first one I have been very diligent about

> what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out.

> Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving

> Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC on

> 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive ETG

> test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I

> tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good

> program, that I wasn't practicing " acceptance " . I don't know what to

> do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child into

> the sober living home with me.I can't work because they suspended my

> license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any problems, I

> ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive

> tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If anyone

> has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly apperciate

> it.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi C, You mention your DEC. You in CA.? One of the girls in my group

had a single 480 about four months ago. They wanted her to go to

sober living. She dug her heels in and refused and they ended up

calling it an incidental. Two weeks ago a girl who is in her mid

50's tested three times over a 1000. She says it was due to a herbal

vaginal lubricant she was using twice a day that contain alcohol in

its base. The DEC hasnt sent her home from work nor rescinded her

transition that I know of. (this is a women who was determined to

tell everyone my positive of 1400 was due to me drinking. Boy was

she surprised). In here, there is a strong group of people that have

opened the flood gates of information to the powers that have the

ability to disseminate it. Read everything here. STOP ALL APAP

PRODUCTS. Read all labels. Remain strong and maintain your

integrity. Dont let your DEC win.

> >

> > I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently

within

> > the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was

600

> > and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my

sobreity

> > date basically making me start over and with the second they

> > suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober

living

> > home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is

causing me

> > to test positive. After my first one I have been very diligent

about

> > what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out.

> > Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving

> > Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC

on

> > 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive

ETG

> > test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I

> > tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good

> > program, that I wasn't practicing " acceptance " . I don't know

what to

> > do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child

into

> > the sober living home with me.I can't work because they

suspended my

> > license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any

problems, I

> > ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive

> > tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If

anyone

> > has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly

apperciate

> > it.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

: please keep us posted, and as suggested, read everything you

can on EtG (as I said before, there is a ton of info here) and be

smarter than them.........joy

> > >

> > > I have been in the Diversion program for 2 years. Recently

> within

> > > the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG tests. The first was

> 600

> > > and the second was 410. After the first one they changed my

> sobreity

> > > date basically making me start over and with the second they

> > > suspended my license and told me I had to move into a sober

> living

> > > home till my next DEC in December. I have no idea what is

> causing me

> > > to test positive. After my first one I have been very diligent

> about

> > > what I eat, constantly checking labels, and rarely eating out.

> > > Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost feel like leaving

> > > Diversion and taking my chances with the Board. At my last DEC

> on

> > > 9/28/2006 they told me that they were considering any positive

> ETG

> > > test as an indication of relapse regardless of the level. When I

> > > tried to defend myself they accused me of not working a good

> > > program, that I wasn't practicing " acceptance " . I don't know

> what to

> > > do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to move my child

> into

> > > the sober living home with me.I can't work because they

> suspended my

> > > license again.My first year in Diversion I never had any

> problems, I

> > > ate whatever I wanted within reason and never had any positive

> > > tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I always have. If

> anyone

> > > has any advice or words of encouragement I would greatly

> apperciate

> > > it.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Before I tested positive for etg, when I heard stories

of other people testing positive for etg, I used to

think that they were not careful with what they

consumed. ItI will never happen to me because I am

careful and organized. Well it happened to me too,

and whats funny is where I feel the least support, is

in my nursing support group, because none of them have

tested positive. The only place that keeps me sane is

this support group. I have sent off the advisory and

my story to local news channels, I am so sorry to hear

about your story C, your dec was on 9/28/06, I am

guessing you are from CA, I know they just had a DEC

on that date. I am from orange county CA.

--- saveh99 <gsxrn99@...> wrote:

>

> Hi C, You mention your DEC. You in CA.? One of the

> girls in my group

> had a single 480 about four months ago. They wanted

> her to go to

> sober living. She dug her heels in and refused and

> they ended up

> calling it an incidental. Two weeks ago a girl who

> is in her mid

> 50's tested three times over a 1000. She says it was

> due to a herbal

> vaginal lubricant she was using twice a day that

> contain alcohol in

> its base. The DEC hasnt sent her home from work nor

> rescinded her

> transition that I know of. (this is a women who was

> determined to

> tell everyone my positive of 1400 was due to me

> drinking. Boy was

> she surprised). In here, there is a strong group of

> people that have

> opened the flood gates of information to the powers

> that have the

> ability to disseminate it. Read everything here.

> STOP ALL APAP

> PRODUCTS. Read all labels. Remain strong and

> maintain your

> integrity. Dont let your DEC win.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I have been in the Diversion program for 2

> years. Recently

> within

> > > the past 6 months I have had 2 positive ETG

> tests. The first was

> 600

> > > and the second was 410. After the first one they

> changed my

> sobreity

> > > date basically making me start over and with the

> second they

> > > suspended my license and told me I had to move

> into a sober

> living

> > > home till my next DEC in December. I have no

> idea what is

> causing me

> > > to test positive. After my first one I have been

> very diligent

> about

> > > what I eat, constantly checking labels, and

> rarely eating out.

> > > Things seem hopeless at this point, I almost

> feel like leaving

> > > Diversion and taking my chances with the Board.

> At my last DEC

> on

> > > 9/28/2006 they told me that they were

> considering any positive

> ETG

> > > test as an indication of relapse regardless of

> the level. When I

> > > tried to defend myself they accused me of not

> working a good

> > > program, that I wasn't practicing " acceptance " .

> I don't know

> what to

> > > do at this point. I am a single mom and I had to

> move my child

> into

> > > the sober living home with me.I can't work

> because they

> suspended my

> > > license again.My first year in Diversion I never

> had any

> problems, I

> > > ate whatever I wanted within reason and never

> had any positive

> > > tests. I do take excedrin for headaches but I

> always have. If

> anyone

> > > has any advice or words of encouragement I would

> greatly

> apperciate

> > > it.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Grace...

For the hunger can you bump up your protein a bit? There are two

parts to the liquid diet, one is keeping protein up (think Atkins

diet, same thinking for two weeks. Protein chases away hunger) and

the other is psychological. We are used to eating what we want, when

we want. Do you see a commercial on TV for Taco Bell and realize how

hungry you are? There is certainly a component of that in getting

used to a band. At least that is what I am finding.

When I realized the psychological thing regarding food I decided to

stretch out the liquid phase a little longer. If I can do it and it

is more comfortable for me (for the time being) then I am going to do

that. But I was starving at first as well and when I quit watching

people on TV eat burgers it really made a huge difference.

Another thing, do you have a Quizno's restaurant? Any restaurant

that serves great soup? Go there and get some really good broth.

Just ask them for the broth part instead of the pasta, meat, and

veggie part of soup. When the spices are really good that makes a

difference.

Are you getting a variety of flavors? Gatorade, for example. Are

you getting blue, strawberry, etc.? Or are you sticking to the same

brands of drinks and broth? You CAN have variety during clear

liquids.

Don't forget about jello. Get lots of flavors and either make them

or buy them already made. I don't care for store made jello because

they are too hard and I don't care for it as much as mine.

As for the pain walking is the best thing you can do. You need to

get your blood pumping and your body working to get rid of the gas.

Take your Tylenol whether you need it or not. There is a thing about

pain and that is that it is MUCH easier to prevent it than it is to

deal with it once it is kicking in big time. Take it as regularly as

you can, 24/7 until this is resolved. Just keep moving. You don't

have to move fast or hard, just keep moving.

>

> Well I'm back in sunny FL. after falling in love with Dr. A and

Sweet

> Dr. Campos on Tuesday. The flight home was not so great, but I made

> it. But now that I " m home I am two things... 1) Starving. I am

soooo

> hungry. I have been drinking my New Whey and Unjury and broth and

tea

> and water and jello ... but nothing seems to satisfy. I pee a

lot ..

> A LOT, and I keep telling myself " it's just 2 weeks, you can do

this "

> and I can and will, but I really am hungry. It's made me a bit of a

> bear to live with and I don't know that my husband thinks this was

> such a great investment any longer. The part 2) my shoulder is

> KILLING me. yes, yes, I know ... it's the gas. I knew before I went

> to expect both of these things. But I guess I didn't really get how

> bad it would hurt. It feels like someone is stabbing the bones in

my

> shoulder with an icepick. It gets worse when I breath in, so I've

> debated about just not breathing, but that's not working. Then I

> considered just chopping my left arm off, I don't really use it

much

> and at least when it hurt I could look over at my stump where my

arm

> once was and say " oh, that's right, it's been chopped off no wonder

> it hurts " vs. having no real reason for it hurting now that I can

> physically see. I have done all the recommended things like ...

> heating pad, gas X (chewable and nasty tongue thingies), Tylenol,

> laying on it, swinging it around madly, punching myself repeatedly

> and crying. NOTHING has worked.

> So if anyone can help with my starving or my soon to be " lost limb "

I

> would just love you love you love you! I mean it.

>

> Grace

> 12/12/06

> 214/201/135

>

[Guest guest]

Grace, I don't mean to laugh but you write so funny...I too had a lot of shoulder pain, I found every time mine came on I was sitting or reclining and if I'd get up and walk around the room it would ease up...Give that a try, I hope it helps, since you may need the left arm eventually...I'd hold off on chopping it off, the pain will let up within 3 weeks (at least mine did). As for the starving, it is hard to get through the 1st 2 weeks, unfortunantely there is no secret I can tell you that you don't already know... Drink the chicken broath slowly and constantly, same for the whey protien. You'll soon come to hate both, but you need them. Hang on!!!! You can do it!!! It will get easier....It is mind over matter at this point...Just keep telling yourself "soon, you'll move out of this phase"...It's only a few days away... Good luck, your doing great... Sincererly, Rena DOB: 9/26/06 204/180/140gracesfalling <Gracefall@...> wrote: Well I'm back in sunny FL. after falling in love with Dr. A and Sweet Dr. Campos on Tuesday. The flight home was not so great, but I made it. But now that I"m home I am two things... 1) Starving. I am soooo hungry. I have been drinking my New Whey and Unjury and broth and tea and water and jello ... but nothing seems to satisfy. I pee a lot .. A LOT, and I keep telling myself "it's just 2

weeks, you can do this" and I can and will, but I really am hungry. It's made me a bit of a bear to live with and I don't know that my husband thinks this was such a great investment any longer. The part 2) my shoulder is KILLING me. yes, yes, I know ... it's the gas. I knew before I went to expect both of these things. But I guess I didn't really get how bad it would hurt. It feels like someone is stabbing the bones in my shoulder with an icepick. It gets worse when I breath in, so I've debated about just not breathing, but that's not working. Then I considered just chopping my left arm off, I don't really use it much and at least when it hurt I could look over at my stump where my arm once was and say "oh, that's right, it's been chopped off no wonder it hurts" vs. having no real reason for it hurting now that I can physically see. I have done all the recommended things like ... heating pad, gas X (chewable and

nasty tongue thingies), Tylenol, laying on it, swinging it around madly, punching myself repeatedly and crying. NOTHING has worked. So if anyone can help with my starving or my soon to be "lost limb" I would just love you love you love you! I mean it.Grace12/12/06214/201/135 __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Grace, I wish I had some magic words to make you feel better but the truth of the matter is simply that these first 2 weeks suck real bad! I remember I was absolutely starving to death and I was certain that I was the ONE person for whom the band would NOT work because I was so damn hungry! I was a real & *^%$ to live with as well but my family managed in spite of my terrible mood. I hated broth, I hated jello, I hated gatorade, I survived on water and clear liquid protein if I could manage to choke that down. The operative word in that sentence, mind you, is SURVIVED! These two weeks are a test of endurance and survival needs to be your focus. GET OUT OF THE HOUSE. Get away from the TV where people are cruel and insensitive and show food commercials constantly! Go to movies (if you can handle the smell of popcorn), plant some flowers, knit, make something where your hands are

really busy and get dirty so you won't want to use them to eat. Go shopping and find something that you really like that is two sizes too small and set your mind that you WILL be back to buy whatever you have picked out. I'm telling you, you have to find anything you can just to stay busy! There will be many days that you will think there is no way in hell you can make it through this stage but YOU CAN! It is mind over matter at this point in the game. We have all been there. We FEEL your pain! You will make it, I promise! As far as the pain goes, all I can say is to be patient and MOVE. Walk. Rock in a chair. Just move! This too shall pass! Keep us posted and remember we are all pulling for you! Jenni Currie DOB 2/23/06 231/152/145gracesfalling <Gracefall@...> wrote: Well I'm back in sunny FL. after falling in love with Dr. A and Sweet Dr. Campos on Tuesday. The flight home was not so great, but I made it. But now that I"m home I am two things... 1) Starving. I am soooo hungry. I have been drinking my New Whey and Unjury and broth and tea and water and jello ... but nothing seems to satisfy. I pee a lot .. A LOT, and I keep telling myself "it's just 2 weeks, you can do this" and I can and will, but I really am hungry. It's made me a bit of a bear to live with and I don't know that my

husband thinks this was such a great investment any longer. The part 2) my shoulder is KILLING me. yes, yes, I know ... it's the gas. I knew before I went to expect both of these things. But I guess I didn't really get how bad it would hurt. It feels like someone is stabbing the bones in my shoulder with an icepick. It gets worse when I breath in, so I've debated about just not breathing, but that's not working. Then I considered just chopping my left arm off, I don't really use it much and at least when it hurt I could look over at my stump where my arm once was and say "oh, that's right, it's been chopped off no wonder it hurts" vs. having no real reason for it hurting now that I can physically see. I have done all the recommended things like ... heating pad, gas X (chewable and nasty tongue thingies), Tylenol, laying on it, swinging it around madly, punching myself repeatedly and crying. NOTHING has worked. So

if anyone can help with my starving or my soon to be "lost limb" I would just love you love you love you! I mean it.Grace12/12/06214/201/135 __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Grace,

Try rocking in a rocking chair with your legs crossed for moving gas out.

[Guest guest]

Ashlee,

The Ibuprofen problem is the Dosage. You can buy it OTC at 200 mgs and

400 mgs. Anything higher has to be prescription. What dosage is it? Insurance

covers my Sisters at 600 to 800 mgs. You could have the Doctor write it for

800mgs and cut in half. IF the regular dose is 400mgs per dose.

's Doctor has upped her dosage and instructed me to half it so the

Insurance will pay for it. Insurances get those who need it in red tape.

Doctors have to see a way around it. The Doctor also can look on a list to see

what the Insurance will pay for.

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Ashlee,

My insurance company never covered it and it was my most expensive out of

pocket med.That liquid sure doesn't go far.

Does your states Walmart's have the $4 generic drugs?All the Ibuprofins from

the liquid to the big 800's are listed.

Becki and 8 systemic

[Guest guest]

I have never encountered a problem if the dosage is 600 mg or higher...perhaps

if the required dosage exceeds what the OTC dosing recommendations are, they

would have to cover it? Just a thought...

mom to amanda, 16, immune deficiency, unspecified arthritis

Ashlee Blair <ashleeblair@...> wrote:

We just switched insurance companies and they said that they do not cover

ibuprofen since it is over the counter??? Has anyone else had this problem...is

there any way around it??

Thanks!

Ashlee (Madison, 4, poly & iritis)