Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 > > Hi Bee. > > It's me again. The one with the stomach issues. Sorry to be a pain. > > Whilst I wondered if I have a bezoar in my stomach, I have now moved to wondering if it is actually Cancer. In many ways I do not want it to be investigated because their protocols are so invasive - a biopsy could have it spread. > > Anyway, although I was taking the acid for two or three weeks it didn't seem to be helping that much, and now having read about Dr Tulio Simoncini I have decided to try bicarb instead. > > I took half a teaspoon each of bicarb and vitamin C powder in some water last night before bed and again this morning and there has been a lot of activity going on in the area I have the problem. It will be interesting to see what happens with this over the next few weeks. > > I know that you are somewhat skeptical of the Acid/Alkaline thing, but it does seem that acidity in the body can encourage fungus - which is why the bicarb seems to help. > My point is that as a Diabetic my pancreas is already compromised. It cannot produce enough insulin. What if it can't produce enough bicarbs either?? > > Maybe your diet does not contribute to acidity to any great extent in the body, but what if my body is full of stored acid toxins in my fat cells that are making me more acid as they are released? > > If this is Cancer, and my body is releasing acids that will encourage it, perhaps that would explain why this issue is not getting any better at all despite the 7 months I have been on the diet. +++Hi Ali. If you have stomach pains I do recommend taking 1/4 tsp of baking soda in 4-5 ounces of non-chlorinated water, sipping it until the pain subsides. Cancer is not caused by acidity/alkalinity imbalances, which are highly controlled by the body itself, with different ranges in different areas that cannot be influenced by anything you consume - did you read what Dr. Price wrote about this issue, where he calls it a fad? If cancer were caused by acidity then intravenous vitamin C treatments wouldn't help. The reason cancer happens is the same reason any viruses, bacteria, candida occur, which is to clean up the body, like they do everywhere in Nature, i.e. a compost heap which creates bugs that change the garbage into nutrient-rich dark soil. The reason Dr. Simoncini's baking soda treatments dissolve tumours, etc. is because baking soda increases oxygen. That's why you'll burp after meals or after taking baking soda. Read this article that explains the cause of cancer: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php There are drawbacks to taking baking soda because it also makes your body lose water along with minerals. So if you follow Dr. Simoncini's protocols for taking it by mouth, you need to ensure you are getting enough minerals in addition. I have a detailed description of his protocols that I can email to you if you wish. There's more to it than just taking baking soda. There are many areas, other than the pancreas that produce bicarbonate of soda, including the mouth, the stomach, all of the intestines, the liver, etc. The most important thing to do to increase pancreatic health is to take HCl or sauerkraut and drink enough fluids with meals as instructed, along with sticking to the diet and taking all other supplements. Bicarb is produced in the stomach to protect the lining of the stomach from being eaten up by stomach acid. Toxins being released that may be acidic wouldn't affect acidity/alkalinity balancing throughout the body since such toxins are excreted through detoxifying organs, mainly the liver, kidneys, lungs, skin, etc. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Thanks Bee. I would very much like to have a copy of Dr Simoncini's protocol if you could email it to me please? I am wondering, although I am taking the Nutritional Yeast Flakes, whether it would be a good idea to supplement with extra niacin. (I wonder why that article you gave me the link to mentions niacinamide as a respiratory agent). In the 7 months, although I have had flushes, they have not been of the sort I would expect with niacin. The flushes I sometimes get are no different to the ones I was getting before I started your diet - just feeling hot for 10 minutes or so, which I suspect is more digestive than anything else. I do wonder now whether supplementing with niacin might have made a bigger difference. I do need to concentrate more on deep breathing too - I am quite a shallow breather. Thank you so much for your patience. It is daunting when you are ill and can't see the results you hope for. Many regards, Ali. > +++Hi Ali. > > If you have stomach pains I do recommend taking 1/4 tsp of baking soda in 4-5 ounces of non-chlorinated water, sipping it until the pain subsides. > > Cancer is not caused by acidity/alkalinity imbalances, which are highly controlled by the body itself, with different ranges in different areas that cannot be influenced by anything you consume - did you read what Dr. Price wrote about this issue, where he calls it a fad? > > If cancer were caused by acidity then intravenous vitamin C treatments wouldn't help. > > The reason cancer happens is the same reason any viruses, bacteria, candida occur, which is to clean up the body, like they do everywhere in Nature, i.e. a compost heap which creates bugs that change the garbage into nutrient-rich dark soil. > > The reason Dr. Simoncini's baking soda treatments dissolve tumours, etc. is because baking soda increases oxygen. That's why you'll burp after meals or after taking baking soda. Read this article that explains the cause of cancer: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php > > There are drawbacks to taking baking soda because it also makes your body lose water along with minerals. So if you follow Dr. Simoncini's protocols for taking it by mouth, you need to ensure you are getting enough minerals in addition. > > I have a detailed description of his protocols that I can email to you if you wish. There's more to it than just taking baking soda. > > There are many areas, other than the pancreas that produce bicarbonate of soda, including the mouth, the stomach, all of the intestines, the liver, etc. The most important thing to do to increase pancreatic health is to take HCl or sauerkraut and drink enough fluids with meals as instructed, along with sticking to the diet and taking all other supplements. > > Bicarb is produced in the stomach to protect the lining of the stomach from being eaten up by stomach acid. > > Toxins being released that may be acidic wouldn't affect acidity/alkalinity balancing throughout the body since such toxins are excreted through detoxifying organs, mainly the liver, kidneys, lungs, skin, etc. > > All the best, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 > > Thanks Bee. I would very much like to have a copy of Dr Simoncini's protocol if you could email it to me please? +++Hi Ali. I just emailed it to you. > > I am wondering, although I am taking the Nutritional Yeast Flakes, whether it would be a good idea to supplement with extra niacin. (I wonder why that article you gave me the link to mentions niacinamide as a respiratory agent). +++You can supplement with 50 mg of niacin (B3) in addition to the Flakes if you wish; it won't hurt you. The reason they mention niacinamide as a respiratory agent is because the body produces niacinamide from niacin for its own purposes, but that isn't the same as synthetic niacinamide pills. > > In the 7 months, although I have had flushes, they have not been of the sort I would expect with niacin. The flushes I sometimes get are no different to the ones I was getting before I started your diet - just feeling hot for 10 minutes or so, which I suspect is more digestive than anything else. > > I do wonder now whether supplementing with niacin might have made a bigger difference. I do need to concentrate more on deep breathing too - I am quite a shallow breather. +++I doubt that not supplementing with more niacin has slowed your progress at all. > > Thank you so much for your patience. It is daunting when you are ill and can't see the results you hope for. +++Trust Nature my friend, and don't have preconceived expectations on what your body should be doing or achieving at any given time and let it do its thing. It takes as long as it takes, and in the meantime you can't possibly do yourself any harm, nor will you be going towards dis-ease, unless you get overly stressed. The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Hi Bee, Would Dr. Simoncini's protocol be effective for a blood cancer? If so, I'd like to get a copy of it too. I thought he injected baking soda directly into a tumor, which we couldn't do to ourselves even if we had a tumor. If he has a protocol that one could follow for oneself and it can be used on a blood cancer then I'd really like to see it. Again, you are awesome! > > Thanks Bee. I would very much like to have a copy of Dr Simoncini's protocol if you could email it to me please? > > I am wondering, although I am taking the Nutritional Yeast Flakes, whether it would be a good idea to supplement with extra niacin. (I wonder why that article you gave me the link to mentions niacinamide as a respiratory agent). > > In the 7 months, although I have had flushes, they have not been of the sort I would expect with niacin. The flushes I sometimes get are no different to the ones I was getting before I started your diet - just feeling hot for 10 minutes or so, which I suspect is more digestive than anything else. > > I do wonder now whether supplementing with niacin might have made a bigger difference. I do need to concentrate more on deep breathing too - I am quite a shallow breather. > > Thank you so much for your patience. It is daunting when you are ill and can't see the results you hope for. > > Many regards, Ali. > > > +++Hi Ali. > > > > If you have stomach pains I do recommend taking 1/4 tsp of baking soda in 4-5 ounces of non-chlorinated water, sipping it until the pain subsides. > > > > Cancer is not caused by acidity/alkalinity imbalances, which are highly controlled by the body itself, with different ranges in different areas that cannot be influenced by anything you consume - did you read what Dr. Price wrote about this issue, where he calls it a fad? > > > > If cancer were caused by acidity then intravenous vitamin C treatments wouldn't help. > > > > The reason cancer happens is the same reason any viruses, bacteria, candida occur, which is to clean up the body, like they do everywhere in Nature, i.e. a compost heap which creates bugs that change the garbage into nutrient-rich dark soil. > > > > The reason Dr. Simoncini's baking soda treatments dissolve tumours, etc. is because baking soda increases oxygen. That's why you'll burp after meals or after taking baking soda. Read this article that explains the cause of cancer: > > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php > > > > There are drawbacks to taking baking soda because it also makes your body lose water along with minerals. So if you follow Dr. Simoncini's protocols for taking it by mouth, you need to ensure you are getting enough minerals in addition. > > > > I have a detailed description of his protocols that I can email to you if you wish. There's more to it than just taking baking soda. > > > > There are many areas, other than the pancreas that produce bicarbonate of soda, including the mouth, the stomach, all of the intestines, the liver, etc. The most important thing to do to increase pancreatic health is to take HCl or sauerkraut and drink enough fluids with meals as instructed, along with sticking to the diet and taking all other supplements. > > > > Bicarb is produced in the stomach to protect the lining of the stomach from being eaten up by stomach acid. > > > > Toxins being released that may be acidic wouldn't affect acidity/alkalinity balancing throughout the body since such toxins are excreted through detoxifying organs, mainly the liver, kidneys, lungs, skin, etc. > > > > All the best, Bee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 can I see a copy also? Thanks Bent From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Bicarb Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 10:32 AM > > Thanks Bee. I would very much like to have a copy of Dr Simoncini's protocol if you could email it to me please? +++Hi Ali. I just emailed it to you. > > I am wondering, although I am taking the Nutritional Yeast Flakes, whether it would be a good idea to supplement with extra niacin. (I wonder why that article you gave me the link to mentions niacinamide as a respiratory agent). +++You can supplement with 50 mg of niacin (B3) in addition to the Flakes if you wish; it won't hurt you. The reason they mention niacinamide as a respiratory agent is because the body produces niacinamide from niacin for its own purposes, but that isn't the same as synthetic niacinamide pills. > > In the 7 months, although I have had flushes, they have not been of the sort I would expect with niacin. The flushes I sometimes get are no different to the ones I was getting before I started your diet - just feeling hot for 10 minutes or so, which I suspect is more digestive than anything else. > > I do wonder now whether supplementing with niacin might have made a bigger difference. I do need to concentrate more on deep breathing too - I am quite a shallow breather. +++I doubt that not supplementing with more niacin has slowed your progress at all. > > Thank you so much for your patience. It is daunting when you are ill and can't see the results you hope for. +++Trust Nature my friend, and don't have preconceived expectations on what your body should be doing or achieving at any given time and let it do its thing. It takes as long as it takes, and in the meantime you can't possibly do yourself any harm, nor will you be going towards dis-ease, unless you get overly stressed. The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 > > Hi Bee, > > Would Dr. Simoncini's protocol be effective for a blood cancer? If so, I'd like to get a copy of it too. I thought he injected baking soda directly into a tumor, which we couldn't do to ourselves even if we had a tumor. If he has a protocol that one could follow for oneself and it can be used on a blood cancer then I'd really like to see it. > > Again, you are awesome! > > @@ Snip @@ Hi ,Ali and Bent, Dr. Simoncini's protocol has difficulty treating blood cancers i.e Leukemia, since his protocol is directed at localized masses i.e tumors. Even with bone cancers he advises combining with another therapy due to difficulty of access to bone.. See below. Scroll to " And what about the Leukaemia? " And the above question as well in relation to bone cancers, on his site. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html Basically all " cancer treatments " have certain Cancers they are less effective against. Vitamin C IV or Laetrile may be your better choice when treating blood cancers. In example , the Gerson Therapy or Baking soda IV Therapy admit accordingly, they are not as effective with blood cancers. However, Vitamin C IV saturation with drip rate adjustments, increases the success rate as did in this woman. See 2nd last comment, subheading : [ iv Sodium Ascorbate For Terminal Cancer ] http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,5782,0.htm You can also take a look at laetrile You'll notice a comment/question ( from poster KEN) regarding leukemia, WBC,RBC bone marrow and positive feedback in regards to Laetrile :-] Also keep an eye on " pdazzler's " comments as well. They're Informative. Laetrile (Amygdalin) Therapy : http://www.pdazzler.com/archives/539 You can even combine Vitamin C IV and Laetrile protocol. In light of the information regarding Leukemia from Dr. Simoncini's site, I would say his treatment isn't the most effective approach, in this case. I'd consider one of the more effective listed treatments. As I've stated before, I try to keep an unbiased perspective and present the most effective information. Regardless, of the venue. Basically, I play no favorites, especially with health research/information. Anyway the choice rests with you. Best Regards, Ed group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Hi Bee.Could you please email one to me too? Thanks again for all your hard work. Joan > > Thanks Bee. I would very much like to have a copy of Dr Simoncini's protocol if you could email it to me please? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Sorry Bee - for some reason I didn't receive it. Regards, Ali. > > > > Thanks Bee. I would very much like to have a copy of Dr Simoncini's protocol if you could email it to me please? > > +++Hi Ali. I just emailed it to you. > > > > I am wondering, although I am taking the Nutritional Yeast Flakes, whether it would be a good idea to supplement with extra niacin. (I wonder why that article you gave me the link to mentions niacinamide as a respiratory agent). > > +++You can supplement with 50 mg of niacin (B3) in addition to the Flakes if you wish; it won't hurt you. The reason they mention niacinamide as a respiratory agent is because the body produces niacinamide from niacin for its own purposes, but that isn't the same as synthetic niacinamide pills. > > > > In the 7 months, although I have had flushes, they have not been of the sort I would expect with niacin. The flushes I sometimes get are no different to the ones I was getting before I started your diet - just feeling hot for 10 minutes or so, which I suspect is more digestive than anything else. > > > > I do wonder now whether supplementing with niacin might have made a bigger difference. I do need to concentrate more on deep breathing too - I am quite a shallow breather. > > +++I doubt that not supplementing with more niacin has slowed your progress at all. > > > > Thank you so much for your patience. It is daunting when you are ill and can't see the results you hope for. > > +++Trust Nature my friend, and don't have preconceived expectations on what your body should be doing or achieving at any given time and let it do its thing. It takes as long as it takes, and in the meantime you can't possibly do yourself any harm, nor will you be going towards dis-ease, unless you get overly stressed. > > The best in health, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 > > Hi Bee, > > Would Dr. Simoncini's protocol be effective for a blood cancer? If so, I'd like to get a copy of it too. I thought he injected baking soda directly into a tumor, which we couldn't do to ourselves even if we had a tumor. If he has a protocol that one could follow for oneself and it can be used on a blood cancer then I'd really like to see it. +++Hi , No, since that protocol is only for stomach cancer, and with some kinds of stomach cancer he also has to do direct injections in the stomach and surrounding area. I posted the complete protocol just now, so everyone can read it. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 > > can I see a copy also? +++Hi Bent, I posted it on the group this morning. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 > > Hi Bee.Could you please email one to me too? > Thanks again for all your hard work. +++Hi Joan, I posted it on this group this morning.\ You are very welcome for my help my dear. Cheers, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 A big thank you to Bee and Ed for all this cancer information! The type of leukemia I have is called chronic myelomonocytic leukemia and I'm told that it's rare and all leukemias are not the same nor are they treated the same. But, with my limited finances and distrust of the medical profession I don't have a lot of options. Thanks Again! > > > > Hi Bee, > > > > Would Dr. Simoncini's protocol be effective for a blood cancer? If so, I'd like to get a copy of it too. I thought he injected baking soda directly into a tumor, which we couldn't do to ourselves even if we had a tumor. If he has a protocol that one could follow for oneself and it can be used on a blood cancer then I'd really like to see it. > > > > Again, you are awesome! > > > > > > @@ Snip > > @@ Hi ,Ali and Bent, > > Dr. Simoncini's protocol has difficulty treating blood cancers i.e Leukemia, since his protocol is directed at localized masses i.e tumors. Even with bone cancers he advises combining with another therapy due to difficulty of access to bone.. See below. Scroll to " And what about the Leukaemia? " And the above question as well in relation to bone cancers, on his site. > > http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html > > Basically all " cancer treatments " have certain Cancers they are less effective against. Vitamin C IV or Laetrile may be your better choice when treating blood cancers. In example , the Gerson Therapy or Baking soda IV Therapy admit accordingly, they are not as effective with blood cancers. > > However, Vitamin C IV saturation with drip rate adjustments, increases the success rate as did in this woman. See 2nd last comment, subheading : > [ iv Sodium Ascorbate For Terminal Cancer ] > > http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,5782,0.htm > > > You can also take a look at laetrile You'll notice a comment/question ( from poster KEN) regarding leukemia, WBC,RBC > bone marrow and positive feedback in regards to Laetrile :-] > Also keep an eye on " pdazzler's " comments as well. They're Informative. > > Laetrile (Amygdalin) Therapy : > > http://www.pdazzler.com/archives/539 > > You can even combine Vitamin C IV and Laetrile protocol. > > In light of the information regarding Leukemia from Dr. Simoncini's site, I would say his treatment isn't the most effective approach, in this case. I'd consider one of the more effective listed treatments. > > As I've stated before, I try to keep an unbiased perspective and present the most effective information. Regardless, of the venue. Basically, I play no favorites, especially with health research/information. > > Anyway the choice rests with you. > > Best Regards, > Ed > group moderator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 > Hi Bee Thanks for the Simoncini bicarb protocol. Have you heard of the work of Dr Mark Sircus? He has used oral dosing of bicarbonate of soda for all kinds of cancers with great success. He says the bicarb does not have to come in contact with the cancer; spiking the pH of the blood does the job by bringing increased oxygenation to the tumour. Here's a good link outlining both men's positions: http://www.alignlife.com/articles/cancer/Cure_Cancer_Baking_Soda.html At the bottom of the article are some good links for further study. When I saw my holistic Dr last week she gave me Dr Sircus' eBook - Rich Man Poor Man's Cancer Treatment. She also said she has had good results treating her candida patients with baking soda. Any comments? Should we all take a course of it as part of our journey to health? Cheers.....Joan > +++Hi Joan, > > I posted it on this group this morning.\ > > You are very welcome for my help my dear. > > Cheers, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 > > > Hi Bee > > Thanks for the Simoncini bicarb protocol. Have you heard of the work of Dr Mark Sircus? He has used oral dosing of bicarbonate of soda for all kinds of cancers with great success. He says the bicarb does not have to come in contact with the cancer; spiking the pH of the blood does the job by bringing increased oxygenation to the tumour. > > Here's a good link outlining both men's positions: > > http://www.alignlife.com/articles/cancer/Cure_Cancer_Baking_Soda.html > > At the bottom of the article are some good links for further study. > > When I saw my holistic Dr last week she gave me Dr Sircus' eBook - Rich Man Poor Man's Cancer Treatment. She also said she has had good results treating her candida patients with baking soda. Any comments? Should we all take a course of it as part of our journey to health? > > Cheers.....Joan .. @@ Hi Joan, Thanks for the link, intriguing information. However, Dr.Simoncini states, " One can do everything preventatively, but he advises that bicarbonate should not be taken as a preventative therapy; otherwise the fungus (candida) itself may become resistant. " The above is extracted from Dr.Simoncini website. See below. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html Therefore, adding the bicarbonate protocol at the Candida stage is not advised. Its better to focus on correcting one's Candida issue with the diet, the supplements and healthy lifestyle modifications. Your Friend in Health, Ed group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 >Hi Ed Thanks for your response. I really appreciate the thoroughness of your answers and have learnt a lot from you over the past months. Thanks. In this case I'm not sure that I agree with you According to Dr Simoncini, candida is the precursor of cancer and he says that candida is always present with cancer. If you are sure you have candida then taking baking soda is not a preventative but rather an active intervention in an existing diseased state. In the same link you gave he says this: It is possible to cure vaginal candidosis with your therapy? To uproot persistent gynaecological fungal infections one should do a douche every day with two litres of pure water (that has been boiled) containing two dissolved tablespoons of bicarbonate. This should be kept up for two months, stopping only during one's period. Candida is very persistent and it takes a long time to kill an infection. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html This is surely suggesting the use of bicarb BEFORE cancer has developed but while candida is present. I'm thus drawn to the conclusion that if you are sure you have candida, a course of bicarb would be appropriate. I would value any further insights you or Bee have on this. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge so freely with us. This group has turned my life around. Cheers....Joan . > > @@ Hi Joan, > > Thanks for the link, intriguing information. > > However, Dr.Simoncini states, " One can do everything preventatively, but he advises that bicarbonate should not be taken as a preventative therapy; otherwise the fungus (candida) itself may become resistant. " > > The above is extracted from Dr.Simoncini website. See below. > > http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html > > Therefore, adding the bicarbonate protocol at the Candida stage is not advised. Its better to focus on correcting one's Candida issue with the diet, the supplements and healthy lifestyle modifications. > > Your Friend in Health, > Ed > group moderator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 > > > Hi Bee > > Thanks for the Simoncini bicarb protocol. Have you heard of the work of Dr Mark Sircus? He has used oral dosing of bicarbonate of soda for all kinds of cancers with great success. He says the bicarb does not have to come in contact with the cancer; spiking the pH of the blood does the job by bringing increased oxygenation to the tumour. <snip> > When I saw my holistic Dr last week she gave me Dr Sircus' eBook - Rich Man Poor Man's Cancer Treatment. She also said she has had good results treating her candida patients with baking soda. Any comments? Should we all take a course of it as part of our journey to health? +++Hi Joan, Yes I've heard of Dr Mark Sircus' work, and he believes in the acidity/alkalinity theory (pH balancing) which is totally false - see these articles: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu5_1.php Also see " The Prime Cause & Prevention of Cancer by Warburg " which says: " The prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen (oxidation of sugar) in normal body cells by fermentation of sugar. " See the list of Respiratory Vitamins & Oxygen Therapy towards the end of the article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 > > >Hi Ed > > Thanks for your response. I really appreciate the thoroughness of your answers and have learnt a lot from you over the past months. Thanks. > > In this case I'm not sure that I agree with you According to Dr Simoncini, candida is the precursor of cancer and he says that candida is always present with cancer. If you are sure you have candida then taking baking soda is not a preventative but rather an active intervention in an existing diseased state. +++Hi Joan. Dr. Simoncini is in the medical field, so of course he claims his treatments are killing cancer/candida since he believes in the Germ Theory of Disease, so that's why I don't go along with everything he writes. +++It is well-known that fungus/scum can be dissolved by oxygenation, whether it is in the body or in Nature, but that doesn't mean the person is healthy again, even though he saved their life, which of course is very important. He doesn't look at " what causes the body to form candida or cancer, " and the medical community says they are not contagious. This is what how people become healthy so their own bodies become able to reverse the " dis-ease " processes, including candida or cancer: 1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements), 2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and cancer), 3) Eliminating damaging foods, and 4) Eliminating toxins in general. When a person is healthy enough their own body automatically " makes " candida (or any bug, cancer, etc.) change back into the organism it is supposed to be when the body is healthy. It's like the manure pile and the flies, with the manure pile representing the poor condition of the body. You cannot get rid of the manure pile by killing off the flies. You must clean up the manure pile instead, which means getting healthy. IF taking baking soda alone " actually cures " candida/cancer then does that means it removes the " causes? " Absolutely not, and people who believe that are fooling themselves. > >>>In the same link you gave he says this: > > It is possible to cure vaginal candidosis with your therapy? > To uproot persistent gynaecological fungal infections one should do a douche every day with two litres of pure water (that has been boiled) containing two dissolved tablespoons of bicarbonate. This should be kept up for two months, stopping only during one's period. Candida is very persistent and it takes a long time to kill an infection. +++The reason the vagina gets candidosis is because the body may create fungus in any area in order to help get rid of, neutralize and/or isolate toxins, particularly when it has tried viruses and bacteria and they haven't helped and when the body doesn't have proper nutrition in order to detoxify itself properly, so toxins have accumulated. Also the body itself has to get rid of toxins every day just due to normal metabolism. +++Therefore the body itself creates any and all viruses, bacteria, candida and cancer in order to clear out toxins, which results in infection and inflammation, which are also natural body processes. +++There's a lot of information about this on my website, so start with this diagram called " The Somatid Cycle of Life " by Dr. Naessens, which shows how bugs change from one into the other and finally into cancer, which involves the last 3 stages: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/soma1.php +++Here's more about how the Germ Theory of Disease is False, and why: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu5_3_1.php +++Then read all about Inflammation (includes infection): http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/nature3.php +++Last, read about Natural Healing, Nature's Laws on Health, etc.: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php >>> I'm thus drawn to the conclusion that if you are sure you have candida, a course of bicarb would be appropriate. +++After the course of bicarb do you suggest the person is cured? The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 > > >Hi Ed > > Thanks for your response. I really appreciate the thoroughness of your answers and have learnt a lot from you over the past months. Thanks. > > In this case I'm not sure that I agree with you According to Dr Simoncini, candida is the precursor of cancer and he says that candida is always present with cancer. If you are sure you have candida then taking baking soda is not a preventative but rather an active intervention in an existing diseased state. > @@ Snip @@ Hi Joan, Thank you for your acknowledgment, much appreciated. The statement you disagree with is from Dr.Simoncini, not me :] So for you to followup by quoting him would seem illogical. Perhaps reading through all his responses might be helpful to understand his response I extracted and previously quoted. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html Furthermore, if you feel there is a contradiction in the good Doctor's responses, perhaps you could contact him on the issue. His email is below. e-mail: t.simoncini@... Bee has already answered and addressed the rest of your concerns. You are welcome and take care. Cordially, Ed group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Thanks for that Ed. Actually it was not Dr Simoncini's statement that I was disagreeing with but your interpretation of it! This is the quote from his website: " Would it be useful to prevent the fungus (candida) or to eliminate them by a special diet or by a preventive bicarbonate cure? Could one do this also orally? One can do everything preventively, but I advise that bicarbonate should not be taken as a preventative therapy; otherwise the fungus itself may become resistant. " This quite clearly states that bicarb is not to be used to PREVENT the fungus. BUT if you already have candida he quite clearly uses bicarb as a treatment protocol BEFORE cancer develops ( from the candida) as this quote shows. " If somebody suffers vaginal candidosis, is there a risk that the illness could degenerate in cancer? This risk is real. It is possible to cure vaginal candidosis with your therapy? To uproot persistent gynaecological fungal infections one should do a douche every day with two litres of pure water (that has been boiled) containing two dissolved tablespoons of bicarbonate. This should be kept up for two months, stopping only during one's period. Candida is very persistent and it takes a long time to kill an infection. " I have read his site and there are other places where he indicates the use of bicarb for candida, although his main emphasis is of course cancer. Ed, I'm not trying to be contentious, but this has huge implications for those of us who definitely have candida. The big thing about taking bicarb orally is that it oxygenates the blood and does exactly what the article on Bee's website talks about. " The Prime Cause & PREVENTION of Cancer by Warburg " which says: " The prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen (oxidation of sugar) in normal body cells by fermentation of sugar. " See the list of Respiratory Vitamins & Oxygen Therapy towards the end of the article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php " The oxygenation was a huge part of Vernon 's recovery from prostate/bone cancer using oral bicarb. http://phkillscancer.com/protocol I would welcome further discussion on this as I feel a course of bicarb could be a major boost towards health; of course in conjunction with Bee's diet, as are the other therapies Bee lists. Thanks again, Ed Joan > > The statement you disagree with is from Dr.Simoncini, not me :] So for you to followup by quoting him would seem illogical. Perhaps reading through all his responses might be helpful to understand his response I extracted and previously quoted. > > http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/cancer-therapy-faq.html > > > Cordially, > Ed > group moderator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Hi Bee. Thanks for your full and detailed reply. Yes, I have read the articles. A person may not be *cured* by the bicarb treatment but it could be a major step towards health if used in conjunction with your program. It fits right in with the other therapies you mention following " The Prime Cause & Prevention of Cancer by Warburg " article, as an oxygenator of blood. http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php Thanks again for all your help. Cheers....Joan > > +++After the course of bicarb do you suggest the person is cured? > > The best in health, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 > > Thanks for that Ed. Actually it was not Dr Simoncini's statement that I was disagreeing with but your interpretation of it! > > This is the quote from his website: > " Would it be useful to prevent the fungus (candida) or to eliminate them by a special diet or by a preventive bicarbonate cure? Could one do this also orally? > One can do everything preventively, but I advise that bicarbonate should not be taken as a preventative therapy; otherwise the fungus itself may become resistant. " > > This quite clearly states that bicarb is not to be used to PREVENT the fungus. BUT if you already have candida he quite clearly uses bicarb as a treatment protocol BEFORE cancer develops ( from the candida) as this quote shows. > > " If somebody suffers vaginal candidosis, is there a risk that the illness could degenerate in cancer? > This risk is real. > It is possible to cure vaginal candidosis with your therapy? > To uproot persistent gynaecological fungal infections one should do a douche every day with two litres of pure water (that has been boiled) containing two dissolved tablespoons of bicarbonate. This should be kept up for two months, stopping only during one's period. Candida is very persistent and it takes a long time to kill an infection. " > > I have read his site and there are other places where he indicates the use of bicarb for candida, although his main emphasis is of course cancer. > > Ed, I'm not trying to be contentious, but this has huge implications for those of us who definitely have candida. The big thing about taking bicarb orally is that it oxygenates the blood and does exactly what the article on Bee's website talks about. > > " The Prime Cause & PREVENTION of Cancer by Warburg " which says: " The > prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen (oxidation of sugar) in normal body cells by fermentation of sugar. " See the list of Respiratory Vitamins & Oxygen Therapy towards the end of the article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php " > > The oxygenation was a huge part of Vernon 's recovery from prostate/bone cancer using oral bicarb. http://phkillscancer.com/protocol > > I would welcome further discussion on this as I feel a course of bicarb could be a major boost towards health; of course in conjunction with Bee's diet, as are the other therapies Bee lists. > > Thanks again, Ed > Joan > @@ Hi Joan, Candida is a fungus and so is Cancer. Except Cancer is more an extreme stage of fungus. I suppose one could approach it by stating one would not use an extreme Cancer treatment for a cyst or a weaker stage of the dis-ease process. However, this is true he does state that Bicarb therapy is not used to Prevent the fungus also Dr.Simoncini does Not make any statement it should be taken orally for Candida either. For Cancer, the extreme form of fungus, yes. The reason for Cancer treatments is to roll back to the weaker stage of the dis-ease process, so the body has the time to nourish and heal itself. This is the only way the body heals/cures itself from all dis-ease " Permanently " . No treatment known to man can accomplish this at present. Fundamentally, Cancer treatments are meant for the short term not long term. And they certainly are not the cure. Since one did not get an illness i.e Candida, Cancer due to deficiency of Cancer treatments, medicines, herbs...etc. Cure the deficiency and you have the " CURE " ! Furthermore, to use a Cancer therapy i.e Bicarb, Vitamin IV, Gerson Therapy, Laetrile to increase oxygen levels in the body or address Candida ( which is not the extreme fungus Cancer ) you would have to be under supervision to avoid possible serious complications. Bee has reiterated this from Dr.Simoncini. This is unnecessary, but if one wants or has the money to utilize Cancer therapies in conjunction with the diet, I suppose its one's prerogative. Also thanks for the info, albeit, I'm familiar with the implications of Sugar and the role of oxygen in relevance to Cancer Nonetheless, Joan, there are elements presently,on this diet program that oxygenate the blood i.e Vitamin C, Niacin, B2, B5, Vitamin E … People are progressively and have healed their Candida with this diet alone and without combining Cancer treatments. Thus, " more is not necessarily better " . This, of course, has been stipulated in the past. I understand, we all would like to correct our Candida or health problems as " Quick " as possible and get on with our lives. However, we did not arrive at a poor state of health overnight. This happened gradually. Therefore , the solution/cure is gradual in conjunction with practicing a healthy lifestyle for the rest of our lives. The body heals at its own pace , whether we like it or not, unfortunately. You're Welcome, Joan. In Solidarity, Ed group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Hi Ed Thanks again for your detailed and well-thought out reply. Much appreciated. I am still keen to keep up my reading on the subject, realising Dr Simoncini isn't the only Dr practising bicarb therapy. (While acknowledging his extensive experience and knowledge). I know there are no quick answers but I'm sure there are things that can be of assistance on our journey to health - bicarb seems to me to be one of these. However, I appreciate your point of view and I'll consider the subject closed for now on this forum. Thanks again for all your input. Regards.....Joan > > @@ Hi Joan, > > Candida is a fungus and so is Cancer. Except Cancer is more an extreme stage of fungus. I suppose one could approach it by stating one would not use an extreme Cancer treatment for a cyst or a weaker stage of the dis-ease process. > > However, this is true he does state that Bicarb therapy is not used to Prevent the fungus also Dr.Simoncini does Not make any statement it should be taken orally for Candida either. For Cancer, the extreme form of fungus, yes. > > The reason for Cancer treatments is to roll back to the weaker stage of the dis-ease process, so the body has the time to nourish and heal itself. This is the only way the body heals/cures itself from all dis-ease " Permanently " . > > No treatment known to man can accomplish this at present. > > Fundamentally, Cancer treatments are meant for the short term not long term. And they certainly are not the cure. Since one did not get an illness i.e Candida, Cancer due to deficiency of Cancer treatments, medicines, herbs...etc. > > Cure the deficiency and you have the " CURE " ! > > Furthermore, to use a Cancer therapy i.e Bicarb, Vitamin IV, Gerson Therapy, Laetrile to increase oxygen levels in the body or address Candida ( which is not the extreme fungus Cancer ) you would have to be under supervision to avoid possible serious complications. Bee has reiterated this from Dr.Simoncini. This is unnecessary, but if one wants or has the money to utilize Cancer therapies in conjunction with the diet, I suppose its one's prerogative. > > Also thanks for the info, albeit, I'm familiar with the implications of Sugar and the role of oxygen in relevance to Cancer > > Nonetheless, Joan, there are elements presently,on this diet program that oxygenate the blood i.e Vitamin C, Niacin, B2, B5, Vitamin E … People are progressively and have healed their Candida with this diet alone and without combining Cancer treatments. Thus, " more is not necessarily better " . This, of course, has been stipulated in the past. > > I understand, we all would like to correct our Candida or health problems as " Quick " as possible and get on with our lives. However, we did not arrive at a poor state of health overnight. This happened gradually. Therefore , the solution/cure is gradual in conjunction with practicing a healthy lifestyle for the rest of our lives. The body heals at its own pace , whether we like it or not, unfortunately. > > You're Welcome, Joan. > > In Solidarity, > Ed > group moderator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 > > > > Hi Ed > > Thanks again for your detailed and well-thought out reply. Much appreciated. > > I am still keen to keep up my reading on the subject, realising Dr Simoncini isn't the only Dr practising bicarb therapy. (While acknowledging his extensive experience and knowledge). I know there are no quick answers but I'm sure there are things that can be of assistance on our journey to health - bicarb seems to me to be one of these. > > However, I appreciate your point of view and I'll consider the subject closed for now on this forum. Thanks again for all your input. +++Hi Joan, Why don't you do the bicarb treatment yourself and let us know the results? Then we'll all know whether it causes complications for candida sufferers as Dr. Simoncini warns. Bee P.S. Did you think that maybe Ed and others do not want the subject closed, even though it may be considered closed for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 P.S. Did you think that maybe Ed and others do not want the subject closed, even though it may be considered closed for you? >>>>>Sorry Bee. I didn't word my intended meaning very well. What I meant to convey was that I appreciated yours and Ed's answers to my queries. But I realised that you viewed what I was saying as not to be recommended, so I would drop the subject. Why don't you do the bicarb treatment yourself and let us know the results? Then we'll all know whether it causes complications for candida sufferers as Dr.Simoncini warns. >>>>>Bee, I have in fact started the bicarb treatment. I would like to " report " back to the group as to how it goes. But I certainly don't want to cut across the good work you are doing. Cheers....Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Hi Ali, Just thought I'd share my experience with bicarb; I tried it before starting Bee's programme, and it made me very very thirsty, so that I woke up every hour in the night gasping for water. Over time it can also dilute stomach acid, which as a Candida sufferer, is the last thing you want. I also did bicarb enemas which were recommended to me by my nutrition teacher when I was studying. I don't think it's any coincidence that during this period I suffered repeatedly from 'food poisoning', reacting to things I'd never reacted to before, throwing up after eating sushi etc. I got alarmed that I was changing my pH in an artificial way, making my stomach and gut too alkaline. Personally I'd avoid it. On the plus side, I am starting to see progress FINALLY on this diet after 20 months- that's almost 2 years. I have had Candida from the age of 8 (I am 36), and probably since birth since both my parents have it, and my Mum is very sick with it (she's not on the diet). I still have a huge way to go- my adrenals are shot, I have chemical and electrical sensitivities- *but* I have more energy, stamina etc and am about 70% better from my Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The rejuvelac is very important, as are the fats. Also you mentioned you were taking HcL but it didn't work- how much are you taking? I was only taking it half heartedly until 2 months ago when I upped my dosage. I can take 15 or more a day without any burning, showing that my own acid production is very poor. Good luck and try and stick to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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