ascorbic acid

[Guest guest]

> Why would you avoid Chinese vitamin products? Scared? Not me -- Although I'm a

consultant I still use them myself.

>

> And Corn as a source of raw material? Whazzup? Even GMO Corn and Soy can be

used effectively as raw material without the risk that some people perceive

might exist. > Duncan

----------------------

Hi Duncan,

I would love to believe that your statements above are true! Do you have

references for the safety of Vit C made in China, or that GMO corn and soy as

raw material can be used without risk?

Thanks!

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Starshar, what kind of risk would you perceive from purified products such like

lecithin, amino acids, vitamin C, vitamin E etc, whether it's GMO or not, or

Chinese or not?

Being Canadian, I'm neither as exposed to the protectionist propaganda on the

media as my American relatives are, nor as swayed by it, so I perceive no threat

for most products, and I also have read the scary stories about the few dismal

failures or tainted or flimsy products that arise out of literally millions of

transactions in a year. I think some people are more easily led than others,

that's all, and I'm not buying in.

Insulin is made from GMO bacteria; so is injectable growth hormone. Is it safe

if it's US made? C'mon! Fact is, Mexican and Chinese goods are prevalent. I

welcome their trade, and yes, they're getting it together just like the Japanese

did with their shoddy automobile exports after around 1970.

Duncan

>

> > Why would you avoid Chinese vitamin products? Scared? Not me -- Although I'm

a consultant I still use them myself.

> >

> > And Corn as a source of raw material? Whazzup? Even GMO Corn and Soy can be

used effectively as raw material without the risk that some people perceive

might exist. > Duncan

>

> ----------------------

> Hi Duncan,

>

> I would love to believe that your statements above are true! Do you have

references for the safety of Vit C made in China, or that GMO corn and soy as

raw material can be used without risk?

> Thanks!

>

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

, ascorbic acid can be in natural form but most is manufactured from

sorbitol, other alcohols or sugars supplied by the sugar industry. If the

ascorbic acid doesn't come with natural bioflavonoids that occur in the plants,

chances are good that it's a manufactured product. One clue besides labeling

might be price; natural-ascorbic-acid-only-without-bioflavonoids may be quite

costly.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Alobar:

> > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does a

> > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > personal

> > > use I prefer other products.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

The Vitamin C Foundation sells vitamin C that is not from corn and without

bioflavenoids, and it IS costly. Do you think then by your rule below that

it is made chiefly from sorbitol or other sugars? They say they do not know

what the source of their C is :\

I am searching for a C supplement that is china free and corn free. So far,

I have been unable to find one that fits that description except the above

but I don't know what it IS, just what it ISN'T.

If you know of a good source, please share?

, ascorbic acid can be in natural form but most is manufactured from

sorbitol, other alcohols or sugars supplied by the sugar industry. If the

ascorbic acid doesn't come with natural bioflavonoids that occur in the

plants, chances are good that it's a manufactured product. One clue besides

labeling might be price; natural-ascorbic-acid-only-without-bioflavonoids

may be quite costly.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Alobar:

> > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does a

> > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > personal

> > > use I prefer other products.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

, the fact that most vitamin C on the market is synthesized from sorbitol

has no bearing on what you pay for the product fom the Vitamin C Foundation, or

the Foundation's source.

Really, the Vitamin C Foundation doesn't know the source of their vitamin C?? I

call bullshit on their statement; maybe they're just too lazy to find out for

us, and I'd keep asking. Maybe include this snip from an international

discussion group in your next query. I'm sure the sales department will help us

out

I use generic vitamin C, probably manufactured from sorbitol, from Loblaw's

(Superstore), with rose hips bioflavonoids added ...have you read the

arguments for bioflavonoids?

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Alobar:

> > > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does a

> > > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > > personal

> > > > use I prefer other products.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If the Vitamin C Foundation doesn't know their source, how can they even say

it's without " corn " ? Sound funny to you as it does me?

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Alobar:

> > > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does a

> > > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > > personal

> > > > use I prefer other products.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've asked them repeatedly with the same answer: they don't know. They just

know that it is not from China and not GMO or made from corn. They also said

that it wouldn't matter what it is made from anyway because whatever it was

would no longer be in the finished product; it would be pure. I asked them,

then, if that was the case, WHAT was it and why is it that they knew

everything about the product except what it's made of? They didn't answer my

last email and I am not able to get on their forum. If it was something not

to worry about or good, they would be most anxious to say what it was IMHO.

Why would you want to take a anything made from sugar? Yes I know about

bioflavonoids, but animals that make vitamin C don't make bioflavonoids.

Wow, haven't heard about Loblaw's since I was a kid in NY. LONG time ago

, the fact that most vitamin C on the market is synthesized from

sorbitol has no bearing on what you pay for the product fom the Vitamin C

Foundation, or the Foundation's source.

Really, the Vitamin C Foundation doesn't know the source of their vitamin

C?? I call bullshit on their statement; maybe they're just too lazy to find

out for us, and I'd keep asking. Maybe include this snip from an

international discussion group in your next query. I'm sure the sales

department will help us out

I use generic vitamin C, probably manufactured from sorbitol, from Loblaw's

(Superstore), with rose hips bioflavonoids added ...have you read the

arguments for bioflavonoids?

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Alobar:

> > > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does

> > > > a

> > > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > > personal

> > > > use I prefer other products.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

They just know what it ISN'T from. That's what I'm saying, how could they

not know their source; it's all they make, sell, one product. It's mfrd. in

Scotland. Maybe thistles?ha

If the Vitamin C Foundation doesn't know their source, how can they even say

it's without " corn " ? Sound funny to you as it does me?

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Alobar:

> > > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does

> > > > a

> > > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > > personal

> > > > use I prefer other products.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I don't believe it either That's what we call in health hype, a " moving

target " .

Duncan

> > > > >

> > > > > Alobar:

> > > > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does

> > > > > a

> > > > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > > > personal

> > > > > use I prefer other products.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Duncan

I use all the products you mention below, and I am very choosy about the

manufacturers of same. I am very uncomfortable about anything GMO since there

has not been one positive report on benefits, other than to the companies that

make these products.

I fully realize what you mean by " purified " , but in the case of GMO derivatives,

or " made in China " , my trust level has been shot. Perhaps, as you imply, I've

been brainwashed by the propaganda----I'm open to that prospect.

But until I see some studies 'proving' that these origins are safe, I prefer to

err on the cautious side. You have given me your opinion, and I respect your own

research, but you have not given me any indication of why you feel so

comfortable!

We can agree to disagree,

Sharon

> Starshar, what kind of risk would you perceive from purified products such

like lecithin, amino acids, vitamin C, vitamin E etc, whether it's GMO or not,

or Chinese or not?

>

> Being Canadian, I'm neither as exposed to the protectionist propaganda on the

media as my American relatives are, nor as swayed by it, so I perceive no threat

for most products, and I also have read the scary stories about the few dismal

failures or tainted or flimsy products that arise out of literally millions of

transactions in a year. I think some people are more easily led than others,

that's all, and I'm not buying in.

>

> Insulin is made from GMO bacteria; so is injectable growth hormone. Is it safe

if it's US made? C'mon! Fact is, Mexican and Chinese goods are prevalent. I

welcome their trade, and yes, they're getting it together just like the Japanese

did with their shoddy automobile exports after around 1970.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>>

>> > Why would you avoid Chinese vitamin products? Scared? Not me -- Although

I'm a consultant I still use them myself.

>> >

>> > And Corn as a source of raw material? Whazzup? Even GMO Corn and Soy can be

used effectively as raw material without the risk that some people perceive

might exist. > Duncan

>>

>> ----------------------

>> Hi Duncan,

>>

>> I would love to believe that your statements above are true! Do you have

references for the safety of Vit C made in China, or that GMO corn and soy as

raw material can be used without risk?

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Sharon

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The Allergy Research/Nutricology company offers both ascorbic acid and buffered

ascorbates as " non corn " , and states that the base product for this is Cassava.

Since the founder of the company, Levine, once suffered such severe

allergy problems that he literally had to isolate himself from the 'civilized

world', he can be trusted to produce products that are generally much safer for

sensitive people than other companies.

Sharon

> Duncan,

>

> The Vitamin C Foundation sells vitamin C that is not from corn and without

> bioflavenoids, and it IS costly. Do you think then by your rule below that

> it is made chiefly from sorbitol or other sugars? They say they do not know

> what the source of their C is :\

>

> I am searching for a C supplement that is china free and corn free. So far,

> I have been unable to find one that fits that description except the above

> but I don't know what it IS, just what it ISN'T.

>

> If you know of a good source, please share?

>

>

>

> , ascorbic acid can be in natural form but most is manufactured from

> sorbitol, other alcohols or sugars supplied by the sugar industry. If the

> ascorbic acid doesn't come with natural bioflavonoids that occur in the

> plants, chances are good that it's a manufactured product. One clue besides

> labeling might be price; natural-ascorbic-acid-only-without-bioflavonoids

> may be quite costly.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>> >

>> > Can anyone recommend an ascorbic acid vitamin C powder that is free of

>> > China

>> > and not made from corn? And if it is not made from corn, what other

>> > things

>> > do they make it from? Barley or other grains? It would be important to

>> > people with allergies to know that.

>> >

>> > The Vitamin C Foundation will not say what their source is, only that it

>> > is

>> > free of china and corn. Actually, they seemed to infer that it didn't

>> > matter

>> > what the original source was as long as it was pure at the end. I don't

>> > know

>> > how they can't know what their vitamin is made from, especially when it

>> > is

>> > the only product they sell.

>> >

>> > I would most appreciate any thoughts and suggestions, I have and am

>> > still

>> > spending so very much time looking that I would like to use in other

>> > ways

>> > if

>> > possible.

>> > Thanks,

>> > San

[Guest guest]

You might look at Dr Ben Kim's Vit C, Toronto, On, Ca. Never tried it but looks

good.

https://www.drbenkim.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail & p=48

Cheers, Doug

Re: Re: ascorbic acid

Duncan,

The Vitamin C Foundation sells vitamin C that is not from corn and without

bioflavenoids, and it IS costly. Do you think then by your rule below that

it is made chiefly from sorbitol or other sugars? They say they do not know

what the source of their C is :\

I am searching for a C supplement that is china free and corn free. So far,

I have been unable to find one that fits that description except the above

but I don't know what it IS, just what it ISN'T.

If you know of a good source, please share?

, ascorbic acid can be in natural form but most is manufactured from

sorbitol, other alcohols or sugars supplied by the sugar industry. If the

ascorbic acid doesn't come with natural bioflavonoids that occur in the

plants, chances are good that it's a manufactured product. One clue besides

labeling might be price; natural-ascorbic-acid-only-without-bioflavonoids

may be quite costly.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Alobar:

> > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does a

> > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > personal

> > > use I prefer other products.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I used to use this from Dr Kim's and I don't remember now why I stopped, but

I just took another look at it, and there is a small amount of corn in it.

But that would not be too much of a problem since it is used as a drying

medium and not the principle source.

I will consider that again, thanks.

Do you have any thoughts about this product Duncan, aside from the fact that

it is pricey.?

You might look at Dr Ben Kim's Vit C, Toronto, On, Ca. Never tried it but

looks good.

https://www.drbenkim.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail & p=48

Cheers, Doug

Re: Re: ascorbic acid

Duncan,

The Vitamin C Foundation sells vitamin C that is not from corn and without

bioflavenoids, and it IS costly. Do you think then by your rule below that

it is made chiefly from sorbitol or other sugars? They say they do not

know

what the source of their C is :\

I am searching for a C supplement that is china free and corn free. So

far,

I have been unable to find one that fits that description except the above

but I don't know what it IS, just what it ISN'T.

If you know of a good source, please share?

, ascorbic acid can be in natural form but most is manufactured from

sorbitol, other alcohols or sugars supplied by the sugar industry. If the

ascorbic acid doesn't come with natural bioflavonoids that occur in the

plants, chances are good that it's a manufactured product. One clue

besides

labeling might be price; natural-ascorbic-acid-only-without-bioflavonoids

may be quite costly.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Alobar:

> > > Ascorbic acid is a very short chain molecule and barley passes for

> > > Vitamin C compared to that from fresh fruits and vegetables. It does

a

> > > very good job for what it is intended but when it comes to my own

> > > personal

> > > use I prefer other products.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought this might interest you, Duncan. Since I have been taking

Whey Protein Isolate, twice a day, my need for vitamin C has decreased

by ~2/3. I used to need ~30 gramsa day to reach bowel tolerance. Now

I need only ~10 grams.

My vitamin C needs to reach bowel tolerance is considerably lower

because of whey. But it is still far far greater than the RDA for

vitamin C.

Alobar

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Vitamin C dosing is not an issue, just a perception. The research is quite

clear that people get well with precursors for the master antioxidant

glutathione, in absence of overt vitamin C supplementation. Vitamin C proponents

commonly either don't know it or minimize it for argument as followers often do,

but it's glutathione, not vitamin C, that protects mitochondria and also reduces

vitamin C so it can be reused. You'll see that low glutathione is the common

denominator for inflammatory and degenerative diseases and low immune response.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>>

>> This issue is frequently discussed at the forum for the Vitamin C Foundation.

 Owen Fonorow is the founder. Bottom line is that we all must supplement with

Vitamin C so that our blood vessels don't get inflamed and our hearts don't get

diseased.  phine

>>

[Guest guest]

Food for thought Alobar, thanks!

Duncan

> >>

> >> This issue is frequently discussed at the forum for the Vitamin C

Foundation.  Owen Fonorow is the founder. Bottom line is that we all must

supplement with Vitamin C so that our blood vessels don't get inflamed and our

hearts don't get diseased.  phine

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

Since most mammals produce their own vitamin C, outside of the digestive system,

and since evidently humans don't tolerate via their digestive systems anywhere

near the amount that most mammals have in their blood, how can we be sure that

bowel tolerance is an accurate measure of how much human's need?

Do you have a reference?

nah

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________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:47:33 AM

Subject: Re: Re: ascorbic acid

I thought this might interest you, Duncan. Since I have been taking

Whey Protein Isolate, twice a day, my need for vitamin C has decreased

by ~2/3. I used to need ~30 gramsa day to reach bowel tolerance. Now

I need only ~10 grams.

My vitamin C needs to reach bowel tolerance is considerably lower

because of whey. But it is still far far greater than the RDA for

vitamin C.

Alobar

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow (DOT) com> wrote:

> Vitamin C dosing is not an issue, just a perception. The research is quite

clear that people get well with precursors for the master antioxidant

glutathione, in absence of overt vitamin C supplementation. Vitamin C proponents

commonly either don't know it or minimize it for argument as followers often do,

but it's glutathione, not vitamin C, that protects mitochondria and also reduces

vitamin C so it can be reused. You'll see that low glutathione is the common

denominator for inflammatory and degenerative diseases and low immune response.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>>

>> This issue is frequently discussed at the forum for the Vitamin C Foundation.

Owen Fonorow is the founder. Bottom line is that we all must supplement with

Vitamin C so that our blood vessels don't get inflamed and our hearts don't get

diseased. phine

>>

[Guest guest]

Makes me wonder if my need for C will continue to drop the longer I

keep taking Whey+Selenium. I guess I'll find out as I have no plans

to stop whey or Selenium.

Alobar

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM, duncancrow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Food for thought Alobar, thanks!

>

> Duncan

>

>

>>

>> I thought this might interest you, Duncan.   Since I have been taking

>> Whey Protein Isolate, twice a day, my need for vitamin C has decreased

>> by ~2/3.  I used to need ~30 gramsa day to reach bowel tolerance.  Now

>> I need only ~10 grams.

>>

>> My vitamin C needs to reach bowel tolerance is considerably lower

>> because of whey.  But it is still far far greater than the RDA for

>> vitamin C.

>>

>> Alobar

[Guest guest]

How much humans can tolerate in the gut really depends on how much a

particular person needs vitamin C. I agree that taking megadoses of C

is somewhat of a kludge, but it has been used by many doctors are

researchers for decades. When I had a bad flu several years ago,

friends of mine were running to the hospital for antibiotics. They

were sick for weeks. I took C to bowel tolerance (about 100 grams a

day) and was able to go back to work in less than a week.

Below are links to various on-line articles by people using or

advocating taking C to bowel tolerance.

Vitamin C, Titrating to Tolerance

Medical Hypotheses, 7:1359-1376, 1981.

http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm

Vitamin C Function in AIDS

Medical Tribune, July 13, 1983

http://www.orthomed.com/caids.htm

How Much Vitamin C Is Too Much?

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Alternative_Health/17_02%20HS%20How%20Much%20Vi\

tamin%20C%20Is%20.htm

The Third Face of Vitamin C

F. Cathcart, M.D.

Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/cathcart_thirdface.html

Most Effective Natural Cures on Earth: The Surprising Unbiased Truth about ...

By Jonny Bowden

http://books.google.com/books?id=2X6eCV7to28C & pg=PA319 & lpg=PA319 & dq=Vitamin+C+Bo\

wel+Tolerance & source=bl & ots=bAG_f2ToXx & sig=vNUZFzuvOPlQYF6kaMZvbLDy0LU & hl=en & ei=\

42isSuW7KN6JtgeQsfSoCA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=11#v=onepage & q=Vitam\

in%20C%20Bowel%20Tolerance & f=false

Alobar

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM, S <spthompson49@...> wrote:

> Since most mammals produce their own vitamin C, outside of the digestive

system, and since evidently  humans don't tolerate via their digestive systems

anywhere near the amount that most mammals have in their blood, how can we be

sure that bowel tolerance is an accurate measure of how much human's need?

>

> Do you have a reference?

>

>  nah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the references. Very informative articles.

The question in my mind is, if the lipo C causes no intestinal distress, how

does one know how much to take? I assume that C via IV also has no intestinal

symptoms, and Dr. Cathcart probably uses some rule of thumb. However, he's

using it to cure diseases, and giving just enough to offer relief from disease.

If our need for vitamin C is comparable to other mammals, then it seems like

bowel tolerance may be a low standard. Sort of like the RDAs, just enough to

stave off disease. Just pondering...

nah

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________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:56:59 PM

Subject: Re: Re: ascorbic acid

How much humans can tolerate in the gut really depends on how much a

particular person needs vitamin C. I agree that taking megadoses of C

is somewhat of a kludge, but it has been used by many doctors are

researchers for decades. When I had a bad flu several years ago,

friends of mine were running to the hospital for antibiotics. They

were sick for weeks. I took C to bowel tolerance (about 100 grams a

day) and was able to go back to work in less than a week.

Below are links to various on-line articles by people using or

advocating taking C to bowel tolerance.

Vitamin C, Titrating to Tolerance

Medical Hypotheses, 7:1359-1376, 1981.

http://www.orthomed .com/titrate. htm

Vitamin C Function in AIDS

Medical Tribune, July 13, 1983

http://www.orthomed .com/caids. htm

How Much Vitamin C Is Too Much?

http://www.american freepress. net/Alternative_ Health/17_ 02%20HS%20How%

20Much%20Vitamin %20C%20Is% 20.htm

The Third Face of Vitamin C

F. Cathcart, M.D.

Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993.

http://www.doctoryo urself.com/ cathcart_ thirdface. html

Most Effective Natural Cures on Earth: The Surprising Unbiased Truth about ...

By Jonny Bowden

http://books. google.com/ books?id= 2X6eCV7to28C & pg=PA319 & lpg=PA319 &

dq=Vitamin+ C+Bowel+Toleranc e & source= bl & ots=bAG_ f2ToXx & sig= vNUZFzuvOPlQYF6k

aMZvbLDy0LU & hl=en & ei= 42isSuW7KN6JtgeQ sfSoCA & sa= X & oi=book_ result & ct=

result & resnum= 11#v=onepage & q=Vitamin% 20C%20Bowel% 20Tolerance & f=false

Alobar

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM, S <spthompson49> wrote:

> Since most mammals produce their own vitamin C, outside of the digestive

system, and since evidently humans don't tolerate via their digestive systems

anywhere near the amount that most mammals have in their blood, how can we be

sure that bowel tolerance is an accurate measure of how much human's need?

>

> Do you have a reference?

>

> nah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience, it is far better to take many small doses, many

times a day, rather than a big dose, once or twice a day.

http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/cath/cathmain.html#thetop

I began with tablets, then switched over to powdered ascorbic acid.

Tablets are hard for me to swallow, are expensive, and contains lots

of fillers, etc. which my body does not need. I like NOW brand

ascorbic acid. Plenty of other brands to choose from.

http://www.vitaglo.com/792.html

I then discovered C-salts, which is a powder blend of different

ascorbate minerals.

http://www.nutri.com/index.cfm/product/54_1/c-salts-26-oz.cfm

Powdered vitamin C is quite tart and the acid is not real good for

teeth. C-salts is more expensive, but easy on the teeth. But C-salts

taste is something I do not like. So I experimented a bit. Now I

blend a cup of dry c-salts with half a cup of dry ascorbic acid, then

put into an empty jar until needed. Diluted like I do ascorbic acid

(2 to 4 grams per cup of water), the taste is good and is not as acid

on my teeth.

I put a small amount of C into my drinking water, which I sip all day

long. How much one needs, takes a bit of experimentation. Unless I

grossly over-do it, stool gets a tad loose, but no diarrhea. I need a

lot of C. But over the past several years, I need less and less

because of improved health. Back ~3 years ago, I was taking ~30

grams a day. Now I am down to 10 to 15 grams a day. At the start

of a cold or flu, I have to realize my stool is getting too firm and

increase my dose. If I remember to do this, I don't get sick, and do

not need to take off any days at work. Many years ago, I was a sickly

child & teen who lost many days a year because of colds and flu.

Being both 65 & diabetic, I probably need quite a bit more C than most

others. I suspect many would do quite fine on 3 to 6 grams of C every

24 hours.

Several years ago, before I began supplementing with vitamin D3, I got

a serious flu. Many friends were going to the hospital. I just

uppod my C dose. At the peak of the flu, I was drinking 100 grams of

C per day and not getting diarrhea. I lost a week's work, but I had

none of the aches and pains my friends later reported to me. No high

fevers. I felt fine during the flu, but had lots of nasal discharge

& wanted to sleep a lot.

I find that if I am exposed to a lot of second-hand tobacco smoke, I

need more C. People who have not given up smoking would need a lot

more.

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/stone-i-orthomol_psych-1976-v5-n1-p3\

5.htm

Alobar

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:03 AM, yg <yg@...> wrote:

> I stumbled upon the ortho molecular website as part of a different

> post to this forum and ended up reading for several hours.

>

> Several items were related to mega doses of Ascorbic Acid to " bowel

> tolerance " .

>

> I seem to remember a few people on this forum following that regimen.

> My question is how do you determine bowel tolerance, and what sort of

> dose does that end up looking like? 15k mg once per day or is it taken

> throughout the day, 30k mg? I'm sure it varies per person.  And is

> powder better than pills because it's cheaper and easier to mix with

> other substances?

>

> The question stems from my curiosity to see if anyone has had any

> adverse side effects from this regimen or any beneficial side effects

> and how did you recognize the beneficial ones other than maybe NOT

> getting sick

>

> Regards,

> yg

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never tried taking vit c to bowel tolerance and was wondering if any type

vit. c will work. I have been using puritan pride's super c complex tablets

which is ascorbic acid and rose hips with some citrus bioflavonoids. I have

taken at least 20 grams in the last 24 hours without effect on my bowels. I am

currently ill though with cold/flu symptoms, swollen glands in the neck.

thanks for any advice

> > I stumbled upon the ortho molecular website as part of a different

> > post to this forum and ended up reading for several hours.

> >

> > Several items were related to mega doses of Ascorbic Acid to " bowel

> > tolerance " .

> >

> > I seem to remember a few people on this forum following that regimen.

> > My question is how do you determine bowel tolerance, and what sort of

> > dose does that end up looking like? 15k mg once per day or is it taken

> > throughout the day, 30k mg? I'm sure it varies per person.  And is

> > powder better than pills because it's cheaper and easier to mix with

> > other substances?

> >

> > The question stems from my curiosity to see if anyone has had any

> > adverse side effects from this regimen or any beneficial side effects

> > and how did you recognize the beneficial ones other than maybe NOT

> > getting sick

> >

> > Regards,

> > yg

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would not thing a lot of rose hips and bioflavonoids would be

harmful in any way. Tablets have lots of fillers which are of no use

to the body, so I would switch to a powder for long term use, but no

harm to take tablets.

Alobar

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:18 AM, elaine1231 <elaine1231@...> wrote:

> I have never tried taking vit c to bowel tolerance and was wondering if any

type vit. c will work.  I have been using puritan pride's super c complex

tablets which is ascorbic acid and rose hips with some citrus bioflavonoids.  I

have taken at least 20 grams in the last 24 hours without effect on my bowels.

 I am currently ill though with cold/flu symptoms, swollen glands in the neck.

> thanks for any advice

>

>

[Guest guest]

I recently started on the program. For years I had been taking non-ascorbic

acid forms of vitamin C to avoid having the runs but since starting on the

program I switched to ascorbic acid. Now, as before, my stools are like water.

I am taking only 1,000 mg. at this point - the Natural Factors brand

recommended.

Is this a cause for concern? I can't imagine what would happen if I increased

the dosage.

Isn't all ascorbic acid derived from corn?