ascorbic acid

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Dear amd ALL!

The " aspergillus toxoides " mold occurs on many seeds and nuts as well

as on STRESSED sprouts and plants. The key for sprouters is stressed.

As long as the conditions for the sprouts are normal the aspergillus

doesn't occur. Probably.

The use of ascorbic acid in a cleansing solution(2%?) as a wash for

grains, seeds and nuts,even sprouts solves the problem. But it does not

neutralize the toxin produced by the aspergillus as far as could find in

the reading I did.

The FDA has set a limit on this toxin of 1:1,000,000,000 parts in nut

butters and similar foods. Reputable producers check this level in their

product, I hope.

My health food store,Kea'au Natural Foods, says that the brands of nut

butters they carry are aspergillus toxin free(that is within the FDA

limits). These include Arrowhead Mills, Maranatha, Kettle...all of which

I use and show no liver shutdown problems. The commercial stuff with

sugars and additives are the dangerous ones in my estimation.

As usual I got all of this from GOOOOOGLE with the inquiry

" aspergillus toxin ascorbic acid " words. I didn't bookmark it so that's

the best I can do for now Dave.

(Knowing your competency ,no problem! This the (;-) the lauging face of

an aspergillus toxin attacking the human liver!)

TeeJay

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Dear amd ALL!

The " aspergillus toxoides " mold occurs on many seeds and nuts as well

as on STRESSED sprouts and plants. The key for sprouters is stressed.

As long as the conditions for the sprouts are normal the aspergillus

doesn't occur. Probably.

The use of ascorbic acid in a cleansing solution(2%?) as a wash for

grains, seeds and nuts,even sprouts solves the problem. But it does not

neutralize the toxin produced by the aspergillus as far as could find in

the reading I did.

The FDA has set a limit on this toxin of 1:1,000,000,000 parts in nut

butters and similar foods. Reputable producers check this level in their

product, I hope.

My health food store,Kea'au Natural Foods, says that the brands of nut

butters they carry are aspergillus toxin free(that is within the FDA

limits). These include Arrowhead Mills, Maranatha, Kettle...all of which

I use and show no liver shutdown problems. The commercial stuff with

sugars and additives are the dangerous ones in my estimation.

As usual I got all of this from GOOOOOGLE with the inquiry

" aspergillus toxin ascorbic acid " words. I didn't bookmark it so that's

the best I can do for now Dave.

(Knowing your competency ,no problem! This the (;-) the lauging face of

an aspergillus toxin attacking the human liver!)

TeeJay

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

To learn the method of growing sprouts under sterile

conditions free from molds and bacteria you may see

the site www.rohmaas.com. Till now I have not been

able to find a site where it has been stated that

Ascorbic Acid prevents mold, though I have come across

washing the seeds with 2% acetic acid solution, which

again may not kill the acid resistant E-Coli strain.

Bye.

--- dcwodtke <dcwodtke@...> wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I'd like to hear more about using Ascorbic Acid to

> prevent mold too.

> Can you provide any references JR? Anyone?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dinesh,

The site you gave (www.rohmaas.com) does not go anywhere for me

though.

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I'd like to hear more about using Ascorbic Acid to

> > prevent mold too.

> > Can you provide any references JR? Anyone?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and all!

Sorry for the spelling error.Read as www.rohmhaas.com

Dinesh--- dcwodtke <dcwodtke@...> wrote:

> Thanks Dinesh,

>

> The site you gave (www.rohmaas.com) does not go

> anywhere for me

> though.

>

>

>

>

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I'd like to hear more about using Ascorbic Acid

> to

> > > prevent mold too.

> > > Can you provide any references JR? Anyone?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi and all!

Sorry for the spelling error.Read as www.rohmhaas.com

Dinesh--- dcwodtke <dcwodtke@...> wrote:

> Thanks Dinesh,

>

> The site you gave (www.rohmaas.com) does not go

> anywhere for me

> though.

>

>

>

>

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I'd like to hear more about using Ascorbic Acid

> to

> > > prevent mold too.

> > > Can you provide any references JR? Anyone?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi and all!

Sorry for the spelling error.Read as www.rohmhaas.com

Dinesh-- P.S.soak for 15 minutes in 3% Hydrogen

peroxide solution Beans-Lima,Mung,Green;Radishes and

Alfalfa 16 hours for Corn-to disinfect.Use

20%bleaching solution for cleaning utensils followed

by 91% isopropyl alcohol wash!- dcwodtke

<dcwodtke@...> wrote:

> Thanks Dinesh,

>

> The site you gave (www.rohmaas.com) does not go

> anywhere for me

> though.

>

>

>

>

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I'd like to hear more about using Ascorbic Acid

> to

> > > prevent mold too.

> > > Can you provide any references JR? Anyone?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I've been successful keeping sprouts mold-free using a splash of peroxide in the

soak and rinse. I use the food grade dilluted to about 5%, a concentration near

that of the brown bottle medicine chest variety.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks pal! my gut feeling seems to be working right

as far as picking up the correct information from the

net is concerned.

Here's a Sprout Sandwich Recipe(own invention!patent

pending!)

Take two slices of plain bread(white for the taste

freaks and Whole wheat(brown) for the health freaks!)

coat with plain cheddar cheese spread, and sprinkle

with moong sprouts,preferably without the Husk.

Next sprinkle Chat Masala(available at the Indian Food

Stores and contains it contains salt) Put the slices

together to form a sandwich and CRRUNCH! Do not

prepare much in advance as the moong sprouts will

loose their crunchiness if left for long.Try

variations with mustard or anything else to suit your

taste.

Bon appetit!

Dinesh Khandelwal.

--- bradhood@... wrote:

> I've been successful keeping sprouts mold-free using

> a splash of peroxide in the soak and rinse. I use

> the food grade dilluted to about 5%, a concentration

> near that of the brown bottle medicine chest

> variety.

>

>

> *****************

>

> bradhood1

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I mix my powdered vitamin C in a little water and stevia

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

How much C are you using?

Alobar

On 2/23/06, csampey99 <sampey99@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I bought some ascorbic acid powder and mixed some in my breakfast

> shake. Well, it ruined my shake. It tasted horrible and I could not

> even drink it. I know a while back there was some discussion about

> how some of you take ascorbic acid powder. I can't think of anything

> that I could possibly mix it in that would taste good or even

> alright. BTW, I eat low carb and have no sugar, so I don't drink

> orange juice, apple juice, etc.

>

> Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

>

> Cin

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is the reason for eating ascorbic acid anyway???

Carol

[Guest guest]

Most animals make their own vitamin C. Humans and a small number

of other animals do not. If one looks at the animals that do make

vitamin C, they make a heck of a lot more C than the RDA the " experts "

say is enough C. Most animals make C at the rate of 5,000-10,000 mg

of C per day for each 150 pounds of body weight. One could not

possibly eat enough vitamin C rich foods to get the same le el of C as

is found in animals who make their own C. Linus ing and Doctor

Rath showed how high daily intake of C is good for one.

Alobar

On 2/24/06, Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

> What is the reason for eating ascorbic acid anyway???

>

> Carol

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Most animals make their own vitamin C. Humans and a small number

> of other animals do not. If one looks at the animals that do make

> vitamin C, they make a heck of a lot more C than the RDA the " experts "

> say is enough C. Most animals make C at the rate of 5,000-10,000 mg

> of C per day for each 150 pounds of body weight. One could not

> possibly eat enough vitamin C rich foods to get the same le el of C as

> is found in animals who make their own C. Linus ing and Doctor

> Rath showed how high daily intake of C is good for one.

>

> Alobar

>

Yes, but Linus ing didn't study ascorbic acid, he studied a more

natural form of vitamin C. More recent studies have failed to confirm

his findings and many think it is because the recent studies used

manufactured ascorbic acid instead of a complete & natural form of

Vitamin C.

[Guest guest]

But it doesn't make any sense to me to just eat ascorbic acid, which is only

one part, or the outer shell, of the " real " vitamin C, of which there are 9

parts (I think). That creates a chemical imbalance in your body because you

need all the " escort " nutrients that go along with it (minerals, enzymes,

proteins). If you just eat the ascorbic acid and create that chemical

imbalance, your body will draw the minerals, enzymes, etc. from parts of

your body so it can process that isolated ingredient. RDA means nothing to

me, because those numbers are if you do take all those artificial junk

vitamins, which I don't use. That has nothing at all to do with whole food,

which is where you should be getting your nutrients from. Maybe a high

intake of vitamin c is good for you, but not a high intake of ascorbic acid.

Get it from oranges, bell peppers, whole foods.

Carol

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Most animals make their own vitamin C. Humans and a small number

of other animals do not. If one looks at the animals that do make

vitamin C, they make a heck of a lot more C than the RDA the " experts "

say is enough C. Most animals make C at the rate of 5,000-10,000 mg

of C per day for each 150 pounds of body weight. One could not

possibly eat enough vitamin C rich foods to get the same le el of C as

is found in animals who make their own C. Linus ing and Doctor

Rath showed how high daily intake of C is good for one.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Most of the work showing benefits from high dose

vitamin C WAS done with ascorbic acid and or sodium ascorbate. Do A

google on " Klenner vitamin C " (no quotes), for one mans lifelong work

on high dose vitamin C.

Bioflavaniods are very useful chemicals, but are not

needed in anything near the quantity which vitamin C is needed. And

Ascorbic Acid IS vitamin C. What yhou label as " completed and

natural " is NOT vitamin C. Animals wbhich make vitamin C do so in

the form of mineral ascorbates. They do do not make bioflavanoids or

any of the other chemicals found in high vitamin C plant extraqcts.

So, Ascorbates are acrually MORE natural than the plant complexes

containing vitamin C.

Alobar

On 2/25/06, sj_cats <sj_cats@...> wrote:

> Yes, but Linus ing didn't study ascorbic acid, he studied a more

> natural form of vitamin C. More recent studies have failed to confirm

> his findings and many think it is because the recent studies used

> manufactured ascorbic acid instead of a complete & natural form of

> Vitamin C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Animals who make their own vitamin C do not make any of the

chemicals you alude to. Vigtamin C (Ascorbic acid) is complete.

Sure, the other chemicals are useful, in small doses, but they are not

part of vitamin C, they are not made by animals who make their own C,

and vitamin C can be processed by the human body just fine without

them.

Alobar

On 2/25/06, Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

> But it doesn't make any sense to me to just eat ascorbic acid, which is only

> one part, or the outer shell, of the " real " vitamin C, of which there are 9

> parts (I think). That creates a chemical imbalance in your body because you

> need all the " escort " nutrients that go along with it (minerals, enzymes,

> proteins). If you just eat the ascorbic acid and create that chemical

> imbalance, your body will draw the minerals, enzymes, etc. from parts of

> your body so it can process that isolated ingredient. RDA means nothing to

> me, because those numbers are if you do take all those artificial junk

> vitamins, which I don't use. That has nothing at all to do with whole food,

> which is where you should be getting your nutrients from. Maybe a high

> intake of vitamin c is good for you, but not a high intake of ascorbic acid.

> Get it from oranges, bell peppers, whole foods.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

> RDA means nothing to me, because those numbers

> are if you do take all those artificial junk vitamins, which I don't

> use. That has nothing at all to do with whole food, which is where

> you should be getting your nutrients from.

>

> Carol

>

Carol, your contention is a purist's ideal; ideals are often

impractical.

Let's say there's no selenium in your goundwater or in the

vegetables gown in your soil. Selenium is crucial. Sure, you

might say, but I'll eat Brazil Nuts for my selenium. Your Brazil

nuts at the grocery store might happen to be grown in Central

America, which has no selenium in the soil and the nuts don't

have it either.

As a practical matter you might choose selenium 200 mcg tablets

from the health shop; 600 mcg or even 1100 mcg daily if you had

an autoimmune or cancer. Are you gong to buy and eat that many

" Brazilian Brazil Nuts " using Internet purchases, or take the

tablets?

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Then I guess you could call me a purist. I'm sure selenium is available in

other foods besides brazil nuts - blue green algae for instance, of which I

eat a lot of, because it's a whole food - earth's first food as a matter of

fact. I would never take selenium pills, and I wouldn't take any other

isolated synthetic vitamin pills either.

Carol

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Carol, your contention is a purist's ideal; ideals are often

impractical.

Let's say there's no selenium in your goundwater or in the

vegetables gown in your soil. Selenium is crucial. Sure, you

might say, but I'll eat Brazil Nuts for my selenium. Your Brazil

nuts at the grocery store might happen to be grown in Central

America, which has no selenium in the soil and the nuts don't

have it either.

As a practical matter you might choose selenium 200 mcg tablets

from the health shop; 600 mcg or even 1100 mcg daily if you had

an autoimmune or cancer. Are you gong to buy and eat that many

" Brazilian Brazil Nuts " using Internet purchases, or take the

tablets?

[Guest guest]

Even if you had access to the fereshest whole foods grown

in the most natural mineral rich soils, you would still be deficient

in some nutients. And soil which is not mineral depleted is getting

hardedr and hardcer to find.

Take vitamin C, for one example. Humans are one of the few

animals which do not make C internally. Dogs, for example, just do

not get arterial dergredation or heart disease. Many humans tend to

feed dogs a very unnatural diet olf over-processed over-cooked meats

and lots of grains, and still the dogs do not suffer arterial

degredation the way humans do. This is because of their blood

ascorbate levels. Humans cannot attain anywhere near the blood

ascorbate levels of other animals unless they do heavy

supplementation.

The choice is, of course, yours. But I would not label a

diet devoid of supplements to be the diet of a purist.

Alobar

On 2/26/06, Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

> Then I guess you could call me a purist. I'm sure selenium is available in

> other foods besides brazil nuts - blue green algae for instance, of which I

> eat a lot of, because it's a whole food - earth's first food as a matter of

> fact. I would never take selenium pills, and I wouldn't take any other

> isolated synthetic vitamin pills either.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar--

Could you please advise about how much vitamin C or ascorbic acid you

personally take or recommend?

Also, I purchased some coconut vinegar--the label said naturally fermented--

Anyone know of ways to use coconut vinegar and if it is more beneficial than

other vinegars?

Thanks

Mari

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List members apologies if you consider this off topic..

Dear Carol

What is your source of " blue green algae " Spirulina?

Q:What form do you take this?

I am asking because I have been asked to take this but I do not know enough

about Spirulina

Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

Then I guess you could call me a purist. I'm sure selenium is available in

other foods besides brazil nuts - blue green algae for instance, of which I

eat a lot of, because it's a whole food - earth's first food as a matter of

fact. I would never take selenium pills, and I wouldn't take any other

isolated synthetic vitamin pills either.

Carol

From: Duncan Crow

Carol, your contention is a purist's ideal; ideals are often

impractical.

Let's say there's no selenium in your goundwater or in the

vegetables gown in your soil. Selenium is crucial. Sure, you

might say, but I'll eat Brazil Nuts for my selenium. Your Brazil

nuts at the grocery store might happen to be grown in Central

America, which has no selenium in the soil and the nuts don't

have it either.

As a practical matter you might choose selenium 200 mcg tablets

from the health shop; 600 mcg or even 1100 mcg daily if you had

an autoimmune or cancer. Are you gong to buy and eat that many

" Brazilian Brazil Nuts " using Internet purchases, or take the

tablets?

[Guest guest]

From what I have read, animals which make their own C, do so

continuously. So best to take C many times a day, rather than in one

or two big doses. Animals which make their own C do so at the rate

of 5,000 - 10,000 mg per day per 150 poinds of body weight -- more if

fighting an infection or under stress.

Best way to figure out how much C to take is to take small doses

(maybe a gram an hour) until you start getting a loose bowel movement,

then back off a bit. See what Doc Cathcart says about taking C here:

http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm

When I was younger, I used to take 6 grams of C x twice a day.

I have since learned it is far bettrer to even out the C intake. Now

I take C 5 or 6 times a day, sometimes more if my body craves high

doses. Lately I have been taking about 25-30 grams of C a day.

Back around New Years I had a very serious flu and my body could

handle a lot more C. I think I peaked at about 120 grams in one

day.

When animals make their own C, they do so as mineral ascorbates,

rather than ascorbic acid. Taking large doses of ascorbic acid can

be rough on the gut. Also not good to put so much acid on one's

teeth. I buy C-salts which is a brand of mineral ascorbates, and

mix with small quantities of ascorbic acid because moneral ascorbates

don't taste vey good and the ascorbic acid gives a bit of a tang to

it. http://www.nutri.com/wn/whchc.html#c-s Buffered C is usually

Sodium Ascorbate. Not a bad product, but I feel I get plenty of

Sodium, so using C-salts gives me other mionerals I can use.

Alobar

On 2/26/06, Mari Schaefer <marischaef@...> wrote:

>

> Alobar--

> Could you please advise about how much vitamin C or ascorbic acid you

personally take or recommend?

> Thanks

> Mari

>

[Guest guest]

And along that same way of thinking, I wouldn't label a diet full of

artificial synthetic isolated supplements to be very healthy.

Carol

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

The choice is, of course, yours. But I would not label a

diet devoid of supplements to be the diet of a purist.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

I respectfully suggest that your understanding of healthy is not

only limited, but incorrect.

Alobar

On 2/27/06, Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

> And along that same way of thinking, I wouldn't label a diet full of

> artificial synthetic isolated supplements to be very healthy.

>

> Carol

>

>