OUCH! Returnee from 2006 (nightmare has returned).......

[Guest guest]

Four years ago, I was on this board trying to learn about and deal with oral

thrush/systemic canadiasis. After a month of Nystatin Solution qid as mouth

rinse, it really didn't help me. But cutting back on the " junk food(sugar,

processed foods, and trying a brief round of d'Arco and Caprylic Acid, the

condition improved noticably. BUT.....I had all the other yeast symtoms still

lingering....FATIGUE (was worst), muscle pain, etc....suspected Fibromyalgia and

was correctly dx'd(after over $15,000. blood work/MRI's). But the fatigue was

managable without any rx or natural products...continued on wide variety of

vitamins/herbals.

But " now it's back " !!! and I sorely need HELP!!! I had some teeth extracted a

few months ago and was given a 7 day round of Clindamycin to prevent any

infection. Then some red itchy rashes developed on toes....was given topical

steroid and doxy oral to treat it for 5-7 days. So, I had two SHORT rounds of

antibi and 2-3 weeks later I became VERY tired all day/night and a few days

later it worsened to EXTREME dizziness, which after 2 weeks I still have. I had

been eating too much sugar and processed food(Single Male, 64), and even though

I took alternate day probiotic when I 3was on antib, I still worsened my leaky

gut. Tried to analyze....was most/all this FATIGUE(almost to keep me home bound

with bad dizziness) caused by Canada or Fibro, and after reading, sere that it

is combo of BOTH(probably).

Sorry for rambling....I have probiotic, caprylic acid, Oregeno Oil(most potent

of all listed against Can???), garlic. Question....if I took EACH one daily for

thrush mouth and systemic canada based on MULTIPLE daily doses of each, I wonder

if there would be any bad interaction of all of them??? And what about

DIE_OFF??? Would the Oregeno be the worst one for that??? I will NOT take an rx

like Nizoral due to BAD LIVER possibilities.

I REALLY would appreciate any/all humble comments to the above and recommended

treatments that are specific. As stated, the FATIGUE is draining me each and

every day!!! I'm off the sugars and fatty, fried foods. I know a STRICT Canada

diet will cause me to lose weight, but I only weigh 150 now, and I have to keep

my strength up....just need more ENERGY! PLEASE HELP....thanks a bunch!!!

Shybasset

[Guest guest]

Hi Shybasset,

I'm sure Bee will answer in more detail.

The diet is the main tool here, together with some supplements.

You have to take the Coconut Oil to fight candida.

When You go on Bee's diet really slowly (I mean REALLY slowly) then it is not

such a knock out.

I am still eating some brown rice for example, because I went too fast and could

barely climb the stairs. Then I reintroduced brown rice and it is better.

Take Your time, but the diet with Coconut oil is key.

Pia

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> Four years ago, I was on this board trying to learn about and deal with oral

thrush/systemic canadiasis. After a month of Nystatin Solution qid as mouth

rinse, it really didn't help me. But cutting back on the " junk food(sugar,

processed foods, and trying a brief round of d'Arco and Caprylic Acid, the

condition improved noticably. BUT.....I had all the other yeast symtoms still

lingering....FATIGUE (was worst), muscle pain, etc....suspected Fibromyalgia and

was correctly dx'd(after over $15,000. blood work/MRI's). But the fatigue was

managable without any rx or natural products...continued on wide variety of

vitamins/herbals.

> But " now it's back " !!! and I sorely need HELP!!! I had some teeth extracted a

few months ago and was given a 7 day round of Clindamycin to prevent any

infection. Then some red itchy rashes developed on toes....was given topical

steroid and doxy oral to treat it for 5-7 days. So, I had two SHORT rounds of

antibi and 2-3 weeks later I became VERY tired all day/night and a few days

later it worsened to EXTREME dizziness, which after 2 weeks I still have. I had

been eating too much sugar and processed food(Single Male, 64), and even though

I took alternate day probiotic when I 3was on antib, I still worsened my leaky

gut. Tried to analyze....was most/all this FATIGUE(almost to keep me home bound

with bad dizziness) caused by Canada or Fibro, and after reading, sere that it

is combo of BOTH(probably).

> Sorry for rambling....I have probiotic, caprylic acid, Oregeno Oil(most potent

of all listed against Can???), garlic. Question....if I took EACH one daily for

thrush mouth and systemic canada based on MULTIPLE daily doses of each, I wonder

if there would be any bad interaction of all of them??? And what about

DIE_OFF??? Would the Oregeno be the worst one for that??? I will NOT take an rx

like Nizoral due to BAD LIVER possibilities.

> I REALLY would appreciate any/all humble comments to the above and recommended

treatments that are specific. As stated, the FATIGUE is draining me each and

every day!!! I'm off the sugars and fatty, fried foods. I know a STRICT Canada

diet will cause me to lose weight, but I only weigh 150 now, and I have to keep

my strength up....just need more ENERGY! PLEASE HELP....thanks a bunch!!!

Shybasset

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ?. Sorry - what is your name?

If you go back to Bee's website and reread the pages on Candida - especially the

introduction and program pages you will see that Bee has somewhat adapted the

program since you were on it 4 years ago.

She no longer recommends any anti-fungals (other than natural unrefined coconut

oil) or probiotics, but instead concentrates on diet and good supplements to

build the body up and be able to resist infection etc.

Many people found the anti-fungals too strong and the resulting concentrated

die-off could cause major issues.

The probiotics generally are a waste of money because they not only might be the

wrong type (even so-called 'good' bacteria have the potential to become

pathogenic if they get out of hand) but Bee believes, quite logically, that if

we get the body back into proper balance through good diet and a few different

specific supplements, the gut flora will sort itself out on its own.

Allowing the sugar and carbs to creep back into your diet will have encouraged

your new health issues. Sugar depresses the immune system and robs the body of

the ability to deal with infections or infestations. Not only that but it also

feeds and encourages Candida and other yeasts/fungi in the body.

Bee's current information is very informative, clear cut and instructive and

will give you all the information you need to help your body deal with this

situation.

Here is the link to her site - http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/index.php

Ali.

>

> Four years ago, I was on this board trying to learn about and deal with oral

thrush/systemic canadiasis. After a month of Nystatin Solution qid as mouth

rinse, it really didn't help me. But cutting back on the " junk food(sugar,

processed foods, and trying a brief round of d'Arco and Caprylic Acid, the

condition improved noticably. BUT.....I had all the other yeast symtoms still

lingering....FATIGUE (was worst), muscle pain, etc....suspected Fibromyalgia and

was correctly dx'd(after over $15,000. blood work/MRI's). But the fatigue was

managable without any rx or natural products...continued on wide variety of

vitamins/herbals.

> But " now it's back " !!! and I sorely need HELP!!! I had some teeth extracted a

few months ago and was given a 7 day round of Clindamycin to prevent any

infection. Then some red itchy rashes developed on toes....was given topical

steroid and doxy oral to treat it for 5-7 days. So, I had two SHORT rounds of

antibi and 2-3 weeks later I became VERY tired all day/night and a few days

later it worsened to EXTREME dizziness, which after 2 weeks I still have. I had

been eating too much sugar and processed food(Single Male, 64), and even though

I took alternate day probiotic when I 3was on antib, I still worsened my leaky

gut. Tried to analyze....was most/all this FATIGUE(almost to keep me home bound

with bad dizziness) caused by Canada or Fibro, and after reading, sere that it

is combo of BOTH(probably).

> Sorry for rambling....I have probiotic, caprylic acid, Oregeno Oil(most potent

of all listed against Can???), garlic. Question....if I took EACH one daily for

thrush mouth and systemic canada based on MULTIPLE daily doses of each, I wonder

if there would be any bad interaction of all of them??? And what about

DIE_OFF??? Would the Oregeno be the worst one for that??? I will NOT take an rx

like Nizoral due to BAD LIVER possibilities.

> I REALLY would appreciate any/all humble comments to the above and recommended

treatments that are specific. As stated, the FATIGUE is draining me each and

every day!!! I'm off the sugars and fatty, fried foods. I know a STRICT Canada

diet will cause me to lose weight, but I only weigh 150 now, and I have to keep

my strength up....just need more ENERGY! PLEASE HELP....thanks a bunch!!!

Shybasset

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shybassett,

It certainly has been a long time since I've heard from you. Like others wrote

it is very important that you get up-to-date and see the changes made to my

program.

The reason you still aren't well is because you didn't build up your immune

system, and you went back to foods that cause health problems. We cannot return

to the very foods and toxins that cause anyone to get unhealthy to begin with.

In fact candida, bacteria, and even cancer cannot be cured by " killing them

off. " They can only cured by building up the immune system, which is done by:

1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

4) Eliminating toxins in general.

When the immune system is strong enough it will automatically " make " candida (or

any bug, cancer, etc.) change back into the organism it is supposed to be when

the body is healthy.

It's like the manure pile and the flies, with the manure pile representing the

poor condition of the body. You cannot get rid of the manure pile by killing

off the flies. You must clean up the manure pile instead, which means building

up your immune system.

In fact this program is powerful enough to heal, detoxify and rebuild your

entire body, back to when you were born, so you don't just want to cure your

candida anyway, since it is the result of poor health and not the cause.

Please ensure you read two important articles so you know what you need to do

and why, which includes a few changes:

How to Successfully Overcome Candida:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

Curing Candida, How to Get Started:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by members

of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

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> Four years ago, I was on this board trying to learn about and deal with oral

thrush/systemic canadiasis. After a month of Nystatin Solution qid as mouth

rinse, it really didn't help me. But cutting back on the " junk food(sugar,

processed foods, and trying a brief round of d'Arco and Caprylic Acid, the

condition improved noticably. BUT.....I had all the other yeast symtoms still

lingering....FATIGUE (was worst), muscle pain, etc....suspected Fibromyalgia and

was correctly dx'd(after over $15,000. blood work/MRI's). But the fatigue was

managable without any rx or natural products...continued on wide variety of

vitamins/herbals.

> But " now it's back " !!! and I sorely need HELP!!! I had some teeth extracted a

few months ago and was given a 7 day round of Clindamycin to prevent any

infection. Then some red itchy rashes developed on toes....was given topical

steroid and doxy oral to treat it for 5-7 days.

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