Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Pertussis is rarely fatal in this country. However, this vaccine has caused more deaths that any other vaccine from what I am reading in the " Vaccine Safety Manual " by Neil Z . This country has never even performed studies on the safety of it either. Rather, they relied on Great Britain studies which were conducted in the 1950's on much older children. Those studies even showed many children having horrible reactions at a much older age. We are now giving it to a baby as young as 2 mo. old? There is no safe vaccine out there. I weighed my " risks " and benefits for every vaccine solely on the CDC's reported death statistics before/after each vaccine was introduced. I also relied on VAERS (these figures must be multiplied by 10 because the CDC admits that less than 10% are ever reported). VAERS figures are public information due to the Freedom of Information Act " . I also factored in adverse reactions listed on the package inserts. It is important to note that for decades the three leading U.S. vaccine policy makers have advised doctors not to vaccinate children with the DPT vaccine if they have a family history of neurological disease. They didn't listen and vaccinated everyone - regardless of the risks. Could that be why neurological disease is so rampant in this country? > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 For the first 10 years of one child's life, we were forever at the doctor's surgery or the hospital. He suffered brain injury following the [then] DPT jab. Even 33 years ago, with no " Google " , I found enough information in books & journals, to be able to give him a wheat and dairy free diet. Trouble was, all the neighbourhood children enjoyed his special food too! After 34 years of taking care of this child, and no end in sight, a paraphrase of Dr Mendelsohn's words comes to mind: " If this is health, I'd rather have the disease. " I would rather nurse a baby who has whooping cough, especially knowing what I know now about nutrition. Doctors use fear to scare parents into using their toxic products. We have always been asked about vaccination status but NEVER nutritional status! This illustrates the medical paradigm to a " T " . Whooping cough responds really well to homoeopathic treatment. Vitamins A and C would be crucial in rapidly resolving this disease. Exclusively breast fed babies of healthy mothers recover quickly. A few years ago, in an attempt to scare parents into accepting a meningitis vax, a hospitalised toddler suffering from meningitis, was shown on TV. He was being fed intravenously, but he was also being fed Coca Cola by his morbidly obese mother, " ...because that's all he wanted " . I'm not sure if the irony was noticed by the TV crew, but it was not lost on our small no-vax community of friends and family. During the same campaign, a darling little girl who had had her limbs amputated, was paraded by various media. Turned out that she hadn't had the type of meningitis at which the campaign was aimed. There was supposed to be an epidemic. so there shouldn't have been any shortage of victims of the " correct " disease! Hope this helps to allay your fears. As you grow older & wiser, you become more confident - that doesn't mean that the doctors won't ever successfully scare you again. I've been told that one of my children might never walk again, and another child would " lose " his hand. because I refused antibiotics for injuries requiring sutures for both. Both times I felt that ghastly frisson of fear, then consulted my naturopath/homoeopath for some much needed moral support. We are most fortunate to have an Homoeopath/MD now! In 20 years, he has never offered vaccines to us for anything! From: kellymac92 <cs-mom@...> Subject: Pertussis Vaccinations Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 8:45 PM Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 ---- kellymac92 <cs-mom@...> wrote: > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. Infants under 6 months or so are more at risk because their airways are so tiny and secretions are thick with pertussis. But MOST infants survive. FEW infants die. And you can start to learn about homeopathy that can help an infant and others through this more easily. FEW infants die. And the vaccine is highly reactive. See DPT: A Shot in the Dark, book - this is about the old DPT but we are seeing similar with DTaP. Sheri listowner > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Do yourself a favor, before your next baby arrives educate yourself... Sheri has an awsome library of books that will help you make clear, educated decisions. You can read everyones' stories, and hear all of our advice... yet when you read the facts for yourself; your fear will subside and you can make the best decision for your family. It is an empowering feeling to to educate you will feel so much better. Liz kellymac92 <cs-mom@...> wrote: Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 AND this is assuming the vaccines even work. Good info, Dawn. Worry about the vaccine causing harm, not the disease. Vaccinating put them at immediate risk. They might never even be exposed to the disease. Winnie Re: Pertussis Vaccinations > Pertussis is rarely fatal in this country. However, this > vaccine has > caused more deaths that any other vaccine from what I am reading > in > the " Vaccine Safety Manual " by Neil Z . This country has > never > even performed studies on the safety of it either. Rather, they > relied > on Great Britain studies which were conducted in the 1950's on > much > older children. Those studies even showed many children having > horrible reactions at a much older age. We are now giving it to > a baby > as young as 2 mo. old? > > There is no safe vaccine out there. I weighed my " risks " and > benefits > for every vaccine solely on the CDC's reported death statistics > before/after each vaccine was introduced. I also relied on > VAERS > (these figures must be multiplied by 10 because the CDC admits > that > less than 10% are ever reported). VAERS figures are public > information > due to the Freedom of Information Act " . I also factored in > adverse > reactions listed on the package inserts. It is important to > note that > for decades the three leading U.S. vaccine policy makers have > advised > doctors not to vaccinate children with the DPT vaccine if they > have a > family history of neurological disease. They didn't listen and > vaccinated everyone - regardless of the risks. Could that be > why > neurological disease is so rampant in this country? > > > > > > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it > does? > > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so > scared > > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 The fear factor is a huge problem for parents. Even I gave in to it once after being firmly anti-vaccine for years. It goes very deep. It's even worse when these " experts " and their assistants make up things on the spot to pressure you. I once had a vet's assistant tell me I had to give my indoor cat a rabies vax because if it bit a neighbor's child, they would have to euthanize the cat to check it for rabies. I told them it would be more of a problem for the neighbor who would be looking at a lawsuit for allowing their child into my bedroom where the cat hides from people. The cat has since died from old age. And once a dental assistant tried to pressure me into allowing x-rays for my son whose front teeth hadn't come in yet-- " and they might never come in. It's rare, but it happens. " Having never heard of this and recognizing a weak argument for x-rays, I said " and how will knowing this make them appear? Won't we eventually know, and for free? " His teeth have grown in just fine. These kinds of experience have shaken my trust in our medical professionals. Winnie Pertussis > Vaccinations > Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 8:45 PM > > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it > does? > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so > scared > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 My children had this all at the same time at ages 7, 6, 3, and 10 months. The oldest and third child had the strongest reaction to whooping cough. The oldest was completely vaccinated, the third not at all.. 6 yo was mostly vaccinated and the 10 mo old not at all. I feel like the breastfeeding was very helpful. My husband had mumps, no vaccine, at age 3 and had no long term problems. He's in his 40s. We have 5 children. The doctors try to scare you without given you real data on what percentage of the children will truly die from or have long term side affects. I'm not sure that they know. I've never gotten a doctor to break out for any disease that is vaccinated for, what the chances are for the varying severity of the disease. " How to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor " helped me to at least find out what potentially could happen with each of the diseases. My dad and uncle both had whopping cough.My uncle coughed hard and the congestion blocked his airway. He started to choke to the point of suffocation. He was under a year in age. My grandfather stuck his fingers down his throat and pulled out the phlegm. They are both in their late 60s. Kathy kellymac92 wrote: > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I can show you some of the research I did that made me conclude that the pertussis vaccine (DTaP) is not worth it. The disease itself: Very few babies contract pertussis (0.04-0.06% of those under six months do). Under six months is when it is most dangerous, but even then less than 1% die. After that, you are (for the most part) out of the danger zone because only 1 in 1,000 people die until after the age of 65. Examples: Pertussis Surveillance, 1997-2000 1. 90-95% of deaths from pertussis occur in babies <6 months 2. 24% of total pertussis cases reported (29,134) among infants <6 months = 7,203 3. 7,203 total cases out of 12,000,000 (4 million birth cohort/year) = 0.06% of total population of infants under 6 months 4. 56 total deaths out of 7,203 cases = 1 in 128 death rate for babies, compared to a less than or equal to 1 in 1,000 death rate for ages 6 months to 65 years. Pertussis Complications by Age 1997-2000 1. <6 months – 63% hospitalized, 11% pneumonia, 1.4% seizures, 0.2% encephalopathy, 0.8% died 2. 6-11 months – 28% hospitalized, 8.6% pneumonia, 0.7% seizures, 0.1% encephalopathy, 0.1% died 3. 1-4 years – 10% hospitalized, 5.4% pneumonia, 1.2% seizures, 0.1% encephalopathy, <0.1% died 4. 5-9 years – 3.1% hospitalized, 2.5% pneumonia, 0.5% seizures, 0 encephalopathy, 0.1% died 5. 10-19 years – 2.1% hospitalized, 1.9% pneumonia, 0.3% seizures, 0.1% encephalopathy, 0 deaths (Pertussis – United States, 1997-2000) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5104a1.htm Pertussis Surveillance, 2001-2003 1. 90-95% of deaths from pertussis occur in babies <6 months 2. 20% of total pertussis cases (28,998) among infants <6 months = 5,872 3. 5,872 total cases out of of 12,000,000 (4 million birth cohort/year) = 0.04% of total population of infants under 6 months 4. 51 total deaths out of 5,872 cases = 1 in 110 death rate for babies <6 months (Pertussis – United States, 2001-2003) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5450a3.htm Treatment Through Vitamin C: " Otani found that the intravenous use of vitamin C in 81 cases had a definite antagonistic action on the toxin of the Bordet-Gengou bacillus. Omerod et al. reporting on 29 cases treated by oral vitamin C, 500 mg. the first day and 200 mg. daily thereafter, noted a marked decrease in the intensity, number and duration of the characteristic symptoms. " (Otani, T.: Vitamin C Therapy of Whooping Cough. Klin. Wchnschr., 15: 1884, 1936.) (Ormerod, M. J. and Unkauf, B. M.: Ascorbic Acid Treatment of Whooping Cough. Canad. M. A. J., 37: 134, 1937.) I would really suggest you go to the Motheringdotcommune vaccination forums and read up on vitamin C to bowel tolerance and other mothers' experiences with pertussis in an infant. That way, if something happens, you'll feel confident in treating it. The only allopathic treatment available is antibiotics, but this actually makes pertussis worse: " When treatment with erythromycin was initiated... the duration of cough tended to be even longer than for persons who did not receive erythromycin at all. " (Clinical Infectious Diseases 1992;14:708-719. Epidemiological Features of Pertussis in the United States, 1980 – 1989. Farixo K M. et al.) The Vaccine: Infants are vaccinated at 2, 4 and 6 months for pertussis. It takes at least 3 doses for 90+% of children to become immune, by which time they are out of the danger zone anyway (90+% of deaths occur in infants <6 months before they can be vaccinated fully.) It is possible for them to become immune before three doses, but taking that sort of gamble with such serious adverse events like inflammation of the brain and autism is not worth it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 The website that convinced me that the pertussis vaccine is one of the most deadly is from www.trackingvaccinations.com Scary stuff...I would recommend NOT to get the pertussis vaccine ever....prevention, like homeopathic prevention is the best medicine. Vaccines provide a false sense of what health is supposed to mean. It's sad they interchange the words vaccines and immunization like they're identical. Check the website, its thought evoking... Re: Pertussis I can show you some of the research I did that made me conclude that the pertussis vaccine (DTaP) is not worth it. The disease itself: Very few babies contract pertussis (0.04-0.06% of those under six months do). Under six months is when it is most dangerous, but even then less than 1% die. After that, you are (for the most part) out of the danger zone because only 1 in 1,000 people die until after the age of 65. Examples: Pertussis Surveillance, 1997-2000 1. 90-95% of deaths from pertussis occur in babies <6 months 2. 24% of total pertussis cases reported (29,134) among infants <6 months = 7,203 3. 7,203 total cases out of 12,000,000 (4 million birth cohort/year) = 0.06% of total population of infants under 6 months 4. 56 total deaths out of 7,203 cases = 1 in 128 death rate for babies, compared to a less than or equal to 1 in 1,000 death rate for ages 6 months to 65 years. Pertussis Complications by Age 1997-2000 1. <6 months – 63% hospitalized, 11% pneumonia, 1.4% seizures, 0.2% encephalopathy, 0.8% died 2. 6-11 months – 28% hospitalized, 8.6% pneumonia, 0.7% seizures, 0.1% encephalopathy, 0.1% died 3. 1-4 years – 10% hospitalized, 5.4% pneumonia, 1.2% seizures, 0.1% encephalopathy, <0.1% died 4. 5-9 years – 3.1% hospitalized, 2.5% pneumonia, 0.5% seizures, 0 encephalopathy, 0.1% died 5. 10-19 years – 2.1% hospitalized, 1.9% pneumonia, 0.3% seizures, 0.1% encephalopathy, 0 deaths (Pertussis – United States, 1997-2000) http://www.cdc. gov/mmwr/ preview/mmwrhtml /mm5104a1. htm Pertussis Surveillance, 2001-2003 1. 90-95% of deaths from pertussis occur in babies <6 months 2. 20% of total pertussis cases (28,998) among infants <6 months = 5,872 3. 5,872 total cases out of of 12,000,000 (4 million birth cohort/year) = 0.04% of total population of infants under 6 months 4. 51 total deaths out of 5,872 cases = 1 in 110 death rate for babies <6 months (Pertussis – United States, 2001-2003) http://www.cdc. gov/mmwr/ preview/mmwrhtml /mm5450a3. htm Treatment Through Vitamin C: " Otani found that the intravenous use of vitamin C in 81 cases had a definite antagonistic action on the toxin of the Bordet-Gengou bacillus. Omerod et al. reporting on 29 cases treated by oral vitamin C, 500 mg. the first day and 200 mg. daily thereafter, noted a marked decrease in the intensity, number and duration of the characteristic symptoms. " (Otani, T.: Vitamin C Therapy of Whooping Cough. Klin. Wchnschr., 15: 1884, 1936.) (Ormerod, M. J. and Unkauf, B. M.: Ascorbic Acid Treatment of Whooping Cough. Canad. M. A. J., 37: 134, 1937.) I would really suggest you go to the Motheringdotcommune vaccination forums and read up on vitamin C to bowel tolerance and other mothers' experiences with pertussis in an infant. That way, if something happens, you'll feel confident in treating it. The only allopathic treatment available is antibiotics, but this actually makes pertussis worse: " When treatment with erythromycin was initiated... the duration of cough tended to be even longer than for persons who did not receive erythromycin at all. " (Clinical Infectious Diseases 1992;14:708- 719. Epidemiological Features of Pertussis in the United States, 1980 – 1989. Farixo K M. et al.) The Vaccine: Infants are vaccinated at 2, 4 and 6 months for pertussis. It takes at least 3 doses for 90+% of children to become immune, by which time they are out of the danger zone anyway (90+% of deaths occur in infants <6 months before they can be vaccinated fully.) It is possible for them to become immune before three doses, but taking that sort of gamble with such serious adverse events like inflammation of the brain and autism is not worth it for me. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 AND don't forget that any shots--even through six months--will not give much immunity, per the vaccine pushers. AND with a full series, it's still far from guaranteed. I don't believe they work at all. So, if you want to protect the littlest ones, the best way is to minimize contact with sick people. Winnie Re: Pertussis Vaccinations > > I can show you some of the research I did that made me conclude that > the pertussis vaccine (DTaP) is not worth it. > > The disease itself: Very few babies contract pertussis (0.04- > 0.06% of > those under six months do). Under six months is when it is most > dangerous, but even then less than 1% die. After that, you are (for > the most part) out of the danger zone because only 1 in 1,000 people > die until after the age of 65. > > Examples: > > Pertussis Surveillance, 1997-2000 > 1. 90-95% of deaths from pertussis occur in babies <6 months > 2. 24% of total pertussis cases reported (29,134) among infants <6 > months = 7,203 > 3. 7,203 total cases out of 12,000,000 (4 million birth > cohort/year) = > 0.06% of total population of infants under 6 months > 4. 56 total deaths out of 7,203 cases = 1 in 128 death rate for > babies, compared to a less than or equal to 1 in 1,000 death > rate for > ages 6 months to 65 years. > > Pertussis Complications by Age 1997-2000 > 1. <6 months – 63% hospitalized, 11% pneumonia, 1.4% seizures, 0.2% > encephalopathy, 0.8% died > 2. 6-11 months – 28% hospitalized, 8.6% pneumonia, 0.7% > seizures, 0.1% > encephalopathy, 0.1% died > 3. 1-4 years – 10% hospitalized, 5.4% pneumonia, 1.2% seizures, 0.1% > encephalopathy, <0.1% died > 4. 5-9 years – 3.1% hospitalized, 2.5% pneumonia, 0.5% seizures, 0 > encephalopathy, 0.1% died > 5. 10-19 years – 2.1% hospitalized, 1.9% pneumonia, 0.3% seizures, > 0.1% encephalopathy, 0 deaths > > (Pertussis – United States, 1997-2000) > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5104a1.htm > > Pertussis Surveillance, 2001-2003 > 1. 90-95% of deaths from pertussis occur in babies <6 months > 2. 20% of total pertussis cases (28,998) among infants <6 months > = 5,872 > 3. 5,872 total cases out of of 12,000,000 (4 million birth > cohort/year) = 0.04% of total population of infants under 6 months > 4. 51 total deaths out of 5,872 cases = 1 in 110 death rate for babies > <6 months > > (Pertussis – United States, 2001-2003) > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5450a3.htm > > Treatment Through Vitamin C: " Otani found that the intravenous > use of > vitamin C in 81 cases had a definite antagonistic action on the toxin > of the Bordet-Gengou bacillus. Omerod et al. reporting on 29 cases > treated by oral vitamin C, 500 mg. the first day and 200 mg. daily > thereafter, noted a marked decrease in the intensity, number and > duration of the characteristic symptoms. " > > (Otani, T.: Vitamin C Therapy of Whooping Cough. Klin. > Wchnschr., 15: > 1884, 1936.) > > (Ormerod, M. J. and Unkauf, B. M.: Ascorbic Acid Treatment of Whooping > Cough. Canad. M. A. J., 37: 134, 1937.) > > I would really suggest you go to the Motheringdotcommune vaccination > forums and read up on vitamin C to bowel tolerance and other mothers' > experiences with pertussis in an infant. That way, if something > happens, you'll feel confident in treating it. The only allopathic > treatment available is antibiotics, but this actually makes pertussis > worse: > > " When treatment with erythromycin was initiated... the duration of > cough tended to be even longer than for persons who did not receive > erythromycin at all. " > > (Clinical Infectious Diseases 1992;14:708-719. Epidemiological > Features of Pertussis in the United States, 1980 – 1989. Farixo > K M. > et al.) > > The Vaccine: Infants are vaccinated at 2, 4 and 6 months for > pertussis. It takes at least 3 doses for 90+% of children to become > immune, by which time they are out of the danger zone anyway > (90+% of > deaths occur in infants <6 months before they can be vaccinated > fully.) It is possible for them to become immune before three doses, > but taking that sort of gamble with such serious adverse events like > inflammation of the brain and autism is not worth it for me. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 You can really only get pertussis via mucus. That is, someone has to cough on or near your child. DS has been exposed twice, at 7 mos and again at 16 mos, and never got it. I didn't know about the 7 mos. one until a friend showed up at our adoption party saying, " I'm getting over whooping cough, but I figured 'he's vaccinated' " . And I said, " No he's not, but I'm still glad you came! " The second one, I knew about in advance, and talked to our wonderful pediatrician. He told me as long as my friend (visiting from NY) wasn't coughing, then it would be fine. ~Robyn wharrison@... wrote: > > AND this is assuming the vaccines even work. Good info, Dawn. > > Worry about the vaccine causing harm, not the disease. Vaccinating put > them at immediate risk. They might never even be exposed to the disease. > > Winnie > > Re: Pertussis > Vaccinations <mailto:Vaccinations%40> > > > Pertussis is rarely fatal in this country. However, this > > vaccine has > > caused more deaths that any other vaccine from what I am reading > > in > > the " Vaccine Safety Manual " by Neil Z . This country has > > never > > even performed studies on the safety of it either. Rather, they > > relied > > on Great Britain studies which were conducted in the 1950's on > > much > > older children. Those studies even showed many children having > > horrible reactions at a much older age. We are now giving it to > > a baby > > as young as 2 mo. old? > > > > There is no safe vaccine out there. I weighed my " risks " and > > benefits > > for every vaccine solely on the CDC's reported death statistics > > before/after each vaccine was introduced. I also relied on > > VAERS > > (these figures must be multiplied by 10 because the CDC admits > > that > > less than 10% are ever reported). VAERS figures are public > > information > > due to the Freedom of Information Act " . I also factored in > > adverse > > reactions listed on the package inserts. It is important to > > note that > > for decades the three leading U.S. vaccine policy makers have > > advised > > doctors not to vaccinate children with the DPT vaccine if they > > have a > > family history of neurological disease. They didn't listen and > > vaccinated everyone - regardless of the risks. Could that be > > why > > neurological disease is so rampant in this country? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it > > does? > > > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so > > scared > > > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I just remembered that the test the lab did was for antibodies only. My daughter's grandmother had a nose swab done, but our doctor insisted on the blood test for antibodies. I usually ask for cultures to be done when we have illnesses, but they never consent and we never take the antibiotics they blindly prescribe. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we are on state insurance! -- In no-forced-vaccination , " Joanne Estes " <positivemoovmt@...> wrote: > > I have been reading these posts for some time now and gathering lots of information. > However, I did not even think to pose my problem to the group this summer when one of > my children started presenting with symptoms of pertussis. My children are not > vaccinated. They went to school with and play with children who are vaccinated. We were > also working at the farmer's Market at the time and I was wondering, since it is a > bacterium, could it be organic and in the environment? Is this something we all used to > be exposed to daily before industrialization and that is why it has been on the decline? > The child who first had symptoms and was misdiagnosed is 7 and the characteristic > whooping sound was not as pronounced as it was when my 4 year old daughter came > down with the cough. I assume that this is why this bacterial infection is often overlooked > or mistaken for something else. As his doctor later told me, his office treats the doctors > and nurses coughs with Z-packs to " cover " the possibility that the infection is pertussis. > The point of all of this is that it took a whole lot of effort to get the doctors to culture my > child to determine if it was pertussis. A message that I read today mentioned an > underlying reason for the reluctance of the medical community to encourage culturing that > I had not considered: not wanting to reveal that the strain which infects is the same as the > one in the vaccine. The younger child was eventually cultured, but I wonder if this > information was ever shared or reported in any way. I contacted the schools myself and > then the health department contacted me, but they said that the doctor's office did not > report it. I know that I could have opened a huge can of worms for myself, but I didn't > want other families to go through the drama of trying to determine why their child had > such a persistent cough and perhaps knowing that there was an active case in the area > parents would insist on culturing. Fat chance in this contented to listen to the medical > community part of the country, but worth the effort. Should I follow up on this in any > way? Is there any way that my experience can help? > > For the health of us all, > JoDe Estes > Memhis, TN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I just remembered that the test the lab did was for antibodies only. My daughter's grandmother had a nose swab done, but our doctor insisted on the blood test for antibodies. I usually ask for cultures to be done when we have illnesses, but they never consent and we never take the antibiotics they blindly prescribe. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we are on state insurance! -- In no-forced-vaccination , " Joanne Estes " <positivemoovmt@...> wrote: > > I have been reading these posts for some time now and gathering lots of information. > However, I did not even think to pose my problem to the group this summer when one of > my children started presenting with symptoms of pertussis. My children are not > vaccinated. They went to school with and play with children who are vaccinated. We were > also working at the farmer's Market at the time and I was wondering, since it is a > bacterium, could it be organic and in the environment? Is this something we all used to > be exposed to daily before industrialization and that is why it has been on the decline? > The child who first had symptoms and was misdiagnosed is 7 and the characteristic > whooping sound was not as pronounced as it was when my 4 year old daughter came > down with the cough. I assume that this is why this bacterial infection is often overlooked > or mistaken for something else. As his doctor later told me, his office treats the doctors > and nurses coughs with Z-packs to " cover " the possibility that the infection is pertussis. > The point of all of this is that it took a whole lot of effort to get the doctors to culture my > child to determine if it was pertussis. A message that I read today mentioned an > underlying reason for the reluctance of the medical community to encourage culturing that > I had not considered: not wanting to reveal that the strain which infects is the same as the > one in the vaccine. The younger child was eventually cultured, but I wonder if this > information was ever shared or reported in any way. I contacted the schools myself and > then the health department contacted me, but they said that the doctor's office did not > report it. I know that I could have opened a huge can of worms for myself, but I didn't > want other families to go through the drama of trying to determine why their child had > such a persistent cough and perhaps knowing that there was an active case in the area > parents would insist on culturing. Fat chance in this contented to listen to the medical > community part of the country, but worth the effort. Should I follow up on this in any > way? Is there any way that my experience can help? > > For the health of us all, > JoDe Estes > Memhis, TN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 , We chose to delay vaccinations in our first born after reading about all the risks and because of my own fear of having my perfectly healthy boy develop complications or serious side effects, such as autism or other chronic illnesses. After reading up on what the actual illness was compared to the side effects/risks of the vaccine, I felt that the illness could be managed if the child was given proper nutritional care and it wasn't worth the risk. It seems a lot of the vaccinations are done for illnesses which are very rare or more of a nuisance to our own schedules. Our 14 month old just got through whooping cough. Let me tell you - it was not pretty, however I have not changed my mind on vaccinating him. If you want to contact me directly, I'd be glad to share what we did. We got alot of backlash from our family for " exposing " them, especially my sister who is a nurse. We did not particularly isolate him from others either and I can't say anyone else came down with it except for me. I would say go to the library and look for books on vaccines. We read Dr. Sears Vaccine Book which gives a good view of both sides to the debate. He's pretty open and honest I felt too. Good luck! Krista > > Can someone explain a little more about the Pertussis vaccine or share a link where I can read more? One one hand, I've heard that Pertussis is one of the vaccines that's most important because it's common and can be deadly for infants. Some people even say we have a responsibility to vax in order to keep the disease at bay and protect the children who are too young to get the vax. > > On the other hand, I'm hearing that the P of the DTaP is the most reactive and possibly one of the most dangerous. But I've also read that this info only applies to the old vax, and the new DTaP is not such a problem. > > I'm also wondering how effective the vax is. I know some people here and elsewhere believe that the vaccine is useless (especially since pertussis is still common). But then why is it that all the unvaxed kids I know end up getting pertussis while none of the vaxed kids do? It seems to me like it's working for the people I know. > > I feel so confused because there is so much contradictory information out there, and so much of it on both sides seems to be fear-based rather than fact-based. Where can I get more accurate information about this particular disease and vaccine? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html -- Pertussis Can someone explain a little more about the Pertussis vaccine or share a link where I can read more? One one hand, I've heard that Pertussis is one of the vaccines that's most important because it's common and can be deadly for infants. Some people even say we have a responsibility to VAX in order to keep the disease at bay and protect the children who are too young to get the VAX. On the other hand, I'm hearing that the P of the DTaP is the most reactive and possibly one of the most dangerous. But I've also read that this info only applies to the old VAX, and the new DTaP is not such a problem. I'm also wondering how effective the VAX is. I know some people here and elsewhere believe that the vaccine is useless (especially since pertussis is still common). But then why is it that all the unvaxed kids I know end up getting pertussis while none of the vaxed kids do? It seems to me like it's working for the people I know. I feel so confused because there is so much contradictory information out there, and so much of it on both sides seems to be fear-based rather than fact-based. Where can I get more accurate information about this particular disease and vaccine? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 http://www.whale.to/vaccines.HTML - Scudamore's site - excellent starting point http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm - Sheri Nakken's website - another excellent starting point http://www.forums.beyondvaccination.com/index.php - 's forum - some excellent information here which is accessible without joining if you don't wish to. I know personally there is great pertussis information - it s a pet topic of 's! ) All of these three people are incredibly knowledgeable. Also try and get yourself a reliable book on vaccinations - " The Vaccine Safety Guide " by Neil Z. will answer most questions you may have and many you haven't thought of yet! I'm sure others will share more links. The problem with the pertussis vaccine is that it does nothing to prevent carriage of the disease, so anyone can pass it on, vaccinated or unvaccinated. Despite what the allopaths say, pertussis has never gone away, but it is cyclical so will wax and wane. Are you sure that none of the vaxed children of your acquaintance get pertussis? If a child has been vaccinated, it is rare for a doctor to formally diagnose it. It's usually passed off as an infection or as asthma. And a person doesn't have to be at death's door with it. One of our members' sons carried on playing sport at school whilst suffering from pertussis. Symptoms don't have to be that violent. Sue x -- Pertussis Can someone explain a little more about the Pertussis vaccine or share a Link where I can read more? One one hand, I've heard that Pertussis is one Of the vaccines that's most important because it's common and can be deadly For infants. Some people even say we have a responsibility to VAX in order To keep the disease at bay and protect the children who are too young to get The VAX. On the other hand, I'm hearing that the P of the DTaP is the most reactive And possibly one of the most dangerous. But I've also read that this info Only applies to the old VAX, and the new DTaP is not such a problem. I'm also wondering how effective the VAX is. I know some people here and Elsewhere believe that the vaccine is useless (especially since pertussis is Still common). But then why is it that all the unvaxed kids I know end up Getting pertussis while none of the vaxed kids do? It seems to me like it's Working for the people I know. I feel so confused because there is so much contradictory information out There, and so much of it on both sides seems to be fear-based rather than Fact-based. Where can I get more accurate information about this particular Disease and vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Sorry - hit " send " when I didn't mean to and couldn't stop this! The remainder of my thoughts will be along in a minute....) Sue x -- Pertussis Can someone explain a little more about the Pertussis vaccine or share a link where I can read more? One one hand, I've heard that Pertussis is one of the vaccines that's most important because it's common and can be deadly for infants. Some people even say we have a responsibility to VAX in order to keep the disease at bay and protect the children who are too young to get the VAX. On the other hand, I'm hearing that the P of the DTaP is the most reactive and possibly one of the most dangerous. But I've also read that this info only applies to the old VAX, and the new DTaP is not such a problem. I'm also wondering how effective the VAX is. I know some people here and elsewhere believe that the vaccine is useless (especially since pertussis is still common). But then why is it that all the unvaxed kids I know end up getting pertussis while none of the vaxed kids do? It seems to me like it's working for the people I know. I feel so confused because there is so much contradictory information out there, and so much of it on both sides seems to be fear-based rather than fact-based. Where can I get more accurate information about this particular disease and vaccine? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hi le, We've just " gone through " pertussis with my unvaccinated now 8 month old. He had a very runny nose for about two weeks (which he'd never had before) and a slight elevation for about a day. We thought he had a cold and was teething at the same time. He then developed a little irritated cough, nothing like the official whooping cough that is so caracteristic. After about two weeks of very light coughing (also at night, he woke up about 4 nights in a row, which he never does) I decided to check to make sure nothing else was going on. The same afternoon a letter arrived from our " well baby checkup center " saying he had been exposed on his last visit. Did the blood test (mostly for my rest of mind) and he tested positive. I was so excited when the Dr. office told me it was positive: my baby's immune system is strong enough to fight infections like these all by himself. He was 6.5 months when he cought it. My son is exclusively breastfed, and I watch my diet, no dairy, little sugar, no additives. We gave him nothing, he recovered nicely by himself. This really strenghtened my belief in non-vax being the best option. Hope it helped. Annette ion in thi > > Anybody here ever have a child with pertussis? Just wondering how you > treated it and what symptoms you encountered. > > I have 2 babies, 8 and 21 months, both totally non-vaccinated with > coughs, mild congestion and no fever for the past week. They otherwise > are acting fine. Deeply my conscience tells me that it's just a cold > virus but of course when you start thinking too much you start to worry > about other things that it could be. Just needing some reassurance I > guess. > > le > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Glad to hear your baby did well. My son, age 10, and fully vaccinated against whooping cough had what appeared to be a case this winter. Was rampant in the local schools. Of course, he has asthma ( probably from the vaccine)so his was much worse and we even made our first trip to the ER in three years one night. It lasted 2 months before he had mostly recovered.- -- In Vaccinations , " Annette Dannenberg " <naburke@...> wrote: > > Hi le, > > We've just " gone through " pertussis with my unvaccinated now 8 month old. He had a very runny nose for about two weeks (which he'd never had before) and a slight elevation for about a day. We thought he had a cold and was teething at the same time. He then developed a little irritated cough, nothing like the official whooping cough that is so caracteristic. After about two weeks of very light coughing (also at night, he woke up about 4 nights in a row, which he never does) I decided to check to make sure nothing else was going on. The same afternoon a letter arrived from our " well baby checkup center " saying he had been exposed on his last visit. > Did the blood test (mostly for my rest of mind) and he tested positive. I was so excited when the Dr. office told me it was positive: my baby's immune system is strong enough to fight infections like these all by himself. > > He was 6.5 months when he cought it. My son is exclusively breastfed, and I watch my diet, no dairy, little sugar, no additives. > We gave him nothing, he recovered nicely by himself. > This really strenghtened my belief in non-vax being the best option. > > Hope it helped. > > Annette > > ion in thi > > > > Anybody here ever have a child with pertussis? Just wondering how you > > treated it and what symptoms you encountered. > > > > I have 2 babies, 8 and 21 months, both totally non-vaccinated with > > coughs, mild congestion and no fever for the past week. They otherwise > > are acting fine. Deeply my conscience tells me that it's just a cold > > virus but of course when you start thinking too much you start to worry > > about other things that it could be. Just needing some reassurance I > > guess. > > > > le > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 The last DPT vaccine at 15 months is what sent my son over the edge and into this hell we live daily called autism. > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? > > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared > > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > Infants under 6 months or so are more at risk because their airways are so tiny and secretions are thick with pertussis. But MOST infants survive. FEW infants die. > And you can start to learn about homeopathy that can help an infant and others through this more easily. > > FEW infants die. > And the vaccine is highly reactive. See DPT: A Shot in the Dark, book - this is about the old DPT but we are seeing similar with DTaP. > > Sheri > listowner > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Did he get the MMR at the same time? Just curious. Winnie Re: Pertussis Vaccinations > The last DPT vaccine at 15 months is what sent my son over the > edge and into this hell we live daily called autism. > > > > > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe > it does? > > > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so > scared > > > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > > > Infants under 6 months or so are more at risk because their > airways are so tiny and secretions are thick with pertussis. > But MOST infants survive. FEW infants die. > > And you can start to learn about homeopathy that can help an > infant and others through this more easily. > > > > FEW infants die. > > And the vaccine is highly reactive. See DPT: A Shot in the > Dark, book - this is about the old DPT but we are seeing similar > with DTaP. > > > > Sheri > > listowner > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 It was the 15 MOS old shot that sent my daughter into her " autistic tendendcies " . -- Re: Pertussis The last DPT vaccine at 15 months is what sent my son over the edge and into this hell we live daily called autism. > > Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does? > > I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared > > he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die. > > Infants under 6 months or so are more at risk because their airways are so tiny and secretions are thick with pertussis. But MOST infants survive. FEW infants die. > And you can start to learn about homeopathy that can help an infant and others through this more easily. > > FEW infants die. > And the vaccine is highly reactive. See DPT: A Shot in the Dark, book - this is about the old DPT but we are seeing similar with DTaP. > > Sheri > listowner > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 > > Hi Bee, > My friend called and her son was diagnosed with pertusis. First her daughter was ill, then her son came down with it. > What could I suggest, they are health minded but tempted to do traditional. > Both children cough, especially at night (they are teens). > Thanks, +++Hi Cassandra, This group is about nutrition and not medically-oriented, so please describe what Pertussis IS. The reason her children became sick is because their bodies needed to detoxify due to poor health, mainly lack of proper nutrition. Here's some Cough, Cold & Flu Treatments that may help, but proper nutrition, eliminating toxins and damaging foods, etc. are most important: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/colds.php Thank you, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Tough one. First, you do know that they are calling you not because your daughter was a close contact but because she's not vaccinated, right? I highly doubt they're calling all the families of children in the class/school. I would not mention the homeopath because they won't understand it. What do they mean by treated by a doctor? Did they say they want her on antibiotics or just to see a doctor? I would cooperate with them and not be confrontational about this. You won't win. I would go to a walk-in clinic for your child's "allergic cough" and tell them you want to rule out an infection. And keep in mind it very well could be allergies. After all, pertussis is known as the "100 day cough" and she's already almost better. Don't mention pertussis and don't lie that she's unvaccinated because the records will be checked. Let them diagnose it how they will, whether that is testing for pertussis, saying she has bronchitis and giving you antibiotics, or sending you home with allergy meds. Any of those constitute being treated by a doctor, although I suspect they mean get her on antibiotics, so try not to leave without a prescription "just in case." You can fill it without actually giving it to her. Try to get a once a day antibiotic like Zithromax so all doses would be given at home. It would be helpful if your child was allergic to the four times a day antibiotics like Erythomycin. They've always taken me at my word when I tell them about antibiotic allergies. Good luck! Winnie PertussisVaccinations > I am wondering if anyone has any advice in this situation - my 9 > year old daughter developed a cough about a month ago. At times > it was severe and kept her up at night but otherwise she was > fine. I kept her home from school for a few days here and there > because she was too tired to go in. A couple weeks ago I had her > treated by our homeopath and she is doing great now. She barely > coughs at all and sleeps through the night and can run around, > etc...without a coughing fit. > I just received a call from the health department saying there > was a confirmed case of pertussis in her grade and my daughter > was named as a close contact to this person. They are doing an > investigation and were asking a ton of questions. I ended up > telling them she was vaccinated because I thought that would end > the discussion but she said the school reported her as being > unvaxed and she wanted the dates. She also wants her to be > treated by a doctor or to stay out of school for 3 weeks. Her > teacher told the health department that she was still coughing a > lot but she barely is at home. I am not sure what to do > here...she does not even have a doctor right now.> > Thanks,> Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If you can find a doctor, accept the prescription of antibiotics, fill it at the pharmacy, and then not give them to her. It's better than staying out of school for 3 weeks unnecessarily. > She also wants her to be treated by a doctor or to stay out of school for 3 weeks. Her teacher told the health department that she was still coughing a lot but she barely is at home. I am not sure what to do here...she does not even have a doctor right now. > > Thanks, > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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