Re: Pertussis

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In a message dated 4/12/00 7:56:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lisa@...

writes:

<<

By the way, I swear by the garlic in the socks. That does some

incredible stuff...of course, your breath smells like you sucked on

garlic. >>

Thanks .I'll print it out this time.Not sure if it was this list that

mentioned it,but with the garlic I read if crushed it can *burn* or irritate

the skin,so one needs to cover the foot with guaze.Ah never mind I see here

they recommend a wet sock.Thanks again.Hope I never have to use it,but great

to have these options instead of running to a *doctor* to save us lol.

Sara

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>Sheri,

>that is not how I dealt w/pertussis but rather another family who all

>had pertussis. I understand what you are saying I just wanted to clear

>it up. It is always best to see a homeopath but I know of a pretty

>prominant homeopath in CT who told me that I should vaccinate because I

>would not know the symptoms of the diseases... (this homeopath is scared

>to publicly come out against vaccines since they are trying to gain

>acceptance by the medical community, as I was told by another

>homeopath..) I posted the way that family dealt w/pertussis to show

>options that often people don't realize they have. Anyway, on another

>note.

This is an issue right here. I know vets who are dead set against

vaccines and go ahead and recommend them and give them and compromise

their beliefs. i do believe there is a fear factor involve.

By the way - there is a wonderful oil I use when i travel or am

around lots of people called Theives. it was used by thieves back in

the days of the plague. they would put it on themselves and go among

the dying and steal from them and not get ill. I also use this on

my dogs when we go places as one has a compromised immune system from

vaccines. it is available through young Living Oils and if interested

please e-mail me privately for info. i buy it from a friend. they do

have a web site as well. There are other oil combinations for

" protection' and they are all marvelous.

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>Can you post the thieves info. publicly? or at a minimum sent it to me.

>I am ALWAYS open to alt. methods of prevention/treatment. I can just

>see the face of a dph official on how to prevent disease if someone told

>them they used 'thieves'... I am sure it works it just sounds funny:)

>

Hi - I like this particular company because there oils are

extremely pure and of therapeutic grade - which of course means they

are not cheap! But a little goes a very long way so well worth the

investment.

" Thieves: was created from research about the thieves during the 16th

century plague in England who rubbed oils all over their bodies to

protect themselves while they were robbing the dead and dying. it is

a proprietary blend of pure essential oils tested at Weber State

University for its potent antimicrobal properties. thieves was found

to have a 99.96 percent kill rate against airborne bacteria.

There are other combinations like one for helping to build natural

defenses. The company is Young Living Essential Oils and do believe

they have a web site. The woman i buy from is Lou Moot and her

e-mail address is bearpath@... - she can answer more of your

questions if you contact her.

hope that helps!

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Re: Pertussis

> >Can you post the thieves info. publicly? or at a minimum sent it to me.

> >I am ALWAYS open to alt. methods of prevention/treatment. I can just

> >see the face of a dph official on how to prevent disease if someone told

> >them they used 'thieves'... I am sure it works it just sounds funny:)

> >

>

>

> Hi - I like this particular company because there oils are

> extremely pure and of therapeutic grade - which of course means they

> are not cheap! But a little goes a very long way so well worth the

> investment.

>

> " Thieves: was created from research about the thieves during the 16th

> century plague in England who rubbed oils all over their bodies to

> protect themselves while they were robbing the dead and dying. it is

> a proprietary blend of pure essential oils tested at Weber State

> University for its potent antimicrobal properties. thieves was found

> to have a 99.96 percent kill rate against airborne bacteria.

That was garlic I believe. The number one herbal antibiotic, anti everthing

Dr Shulze had the best info on garlic but I lost it

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/schulze/index.html

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>Sheri,

>that is not how I dealt w/pertussis but rather another family who all

>had pertussis. I understand what you are saying I just wanted to clear

>it up. It is always best to see a homeopath but I know of a pretty

>prominant homeopath in CT who told me that I should vaccinate because I

>would not know the symptoms of the diseases... (this homeopath is scared

>to publicly come out against vaccines since they are trying to gain

>acceptance by the medical community, as I was told by another

>homeopath..)

In a hurry, I mistakenly said that it was from you, sorry.

And for any homeopath to not speak out about vaccines is unethical. I know

many homeopaths who are working towards quality (not acceptance by medical

community - those who are truly homeopaths could care less about that).

I posted the way that family dealt w/pertussis to show

>options that often people don't realize they have. Anyway, on another

>note.

And I appreciate that intent, that is why I reposted it. Just wanted to

speak up about the homeopathy.

>

>I had referenced back in April about how homeopathic nosodes are similar

>to a vaccine w/out all the additional chemicals. You had asked me what

>I meant and then I got sidetracked w/family issues. Basically, all I

>meant was that should an epidemic occur of a specific disease then the

>nosode would confer some protection (I don't like the word immune

>because no one is completely immune. I believe to many other factors

>play into our health including food, pollution, etc.) The nosode lasts,

>it is my understanding, for about 8 weeks which is about the life of

>most diseases.

I don't agree with using nosodes and no one knows if they last 8 weeks or 8

years. I know that is what you were told but I just don't agree. Possibly

a nosode would help in the case of a disease and possibly not. You really

need to match the whole symptom picture and one person with scarlet fever

might need belladonna and another some other remedy. So it isn't so cut

and dried. I suppose if you had no other resource, you could try the

nosode, but I also am not a fan of blinding choosing remedies.

Hence, my loose correlation between nosodes and vaccines

>without all the chemicals (ie. formaldehyde, thimerosal, etc.) If your

>understanding is different please let me know. I am obviously not a

>homeopath just a mom who got screwed by the system and started searching

>for other options. This explanation is basically a layman's explanation

>of nosodes. I did find the Hahnemann book and hope to read it sometime

>in my life. I have read a couple pages but have gotten sidetracked with

>getting an 'official' group started in CT.

I am not a homeopath yet either (although know more than most who call

themselves homeopaths :0. I have studied for nearly 20 years now -

informally and formally. What you have been told I've heard before (part

of it), but that doesn't mean I agree with it. All the quality classical

homeopaths I know wouldn't practice that way.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Sheri

>

>

>Sheri Nakken wrote:

>>

>> >From who share how she dealt with pertussis.

>> I don't recommend routinely using Drosera - this may not be the best remedy

>> in every instance. Its best to see a homeopath.

>>

>> Sheri

>> ******************

>> Your wish is my request:) This is the email, minus the families name,

>> etc. on how she treated Pertussis.

>> By the way, I swear by the garlic in the socks. That does some

>> incredible stuff...of course, your breath smells like you sucked on

>> garlic.

>>

>> As you read this...keep in mind the recent post about the family who had

>> a child with pertussis and the doctor kept telling them it was just a

>> cold, because it was so mild, and then later they found out it was

>> pertussis.

>>

>>

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>

> >

>> " Thieves: was created from research about the thieves during the 16th

>> century plague in England who rubbed oils all over their bodies to

>> protect themselves while they were robbing the dead and dying. it is

>> a proprietary blend of pure essential oils tested at Weber State

>> University for its potent antimicrobal properties. thieves was found

>> to have a 99.96 percent kill rate against airborne bacteria.

>

>That was garlic I believe. The number one herbal antibiotic, anti everthing

>

>Dr Shulze had the best info on garlic but I lost it

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/schulze/index.html

>

>

>

Hi - not garlic! does have clove, lemon, cassia, narrow leaf

peppermint gum, and rosemary listed but don't know if these are all

the ingredients. I wear it like cologne so definately not garlic :-)

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Re: Pertussis

> >

> > >

> >> " Thieves: was created from research about the thieves during the 16th

> >> century plague in England who rubbed oils all over their bodies to

> >> protect themselves while they were robbing the dead and dying. it is

> >> a proprietary blend of pure essential oils tested at Weber State

> >> University for its potent antimicrobal properties. thieves was found

> >> to have a 99.96 percent kill rate against airborne bacteria.

> >

> >That was garlic I believe. The number one herbal antibiotic, anti

everthing

> >

> >Dr Shulze had the best info on garlic but I lost it

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/schulze/index.html

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Hi - not garlic! does have clove, lemon, cassia, narrow leaf

> peppermint gum, and rosemary listed but don't know if these are all

> the ingredients. I wear it like cologne so definately not garlic :-)

> --

Sound the stuff, but I'd like more evidence that this was the formula those

thieves used. I recall Dr Shulze saying it had garlic in it.

I know herbal aromatherapies are good though--I had a therapist give a

workshop in my house and what she said about them was impressive.

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

that is not how I dealt w/pertussis but rather another family who all

had pertussis. I understand what you are saying I just wanted to clear

it up. It is always best to see a homeopath but I know of a pretty

prominant homeopath in CT who told me that I should vaccinate because I

would not know the symptoms of the diseases... (this homeopath is scared

to publicly come out against vaccines since they are trying to gain

acceptance by the medical community, as I was told by another

homeopath..) I posted the way that family dealt w/pertussis to show

options that often people don't realize they have. Anyway, on another

note.

I had referenced back in April about how homeopathic nosodes are similar

to a vaccine w/out all the additional chemicals. You had asked me what

I meant and then I got sidetracked w/family issues. Basically, all I

meant was that should an epidemic occur of a specific disease then the

nosode would confer some protection (I don't like the word immune

because no one is completely immune. I believe to many other factors

play into our health including food, pollution, etc.) The nosode lasts,

it is my understanding, for about 8 weeks which is about the life of

most diseases. Hence, my loose correlation between nosodes and vaccines

without all the chemicals (ie. formaldehyde, thimerosal, etc.) If your

understanding is different please let me know. I am obviously not a

homeopath just a mom who got screwed by the system and started searching

for other options. This explanation is basically a layman's explanation

of nosodes. I did find the Hahnemann book and hope to read it sometime

in my life. I have read a couple pages but have gotten sidetracked with

getting an 'official' group started in CT.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> >From who share how she dealt with pertussis.

> I don't recommend routinely using Drosera - this may not be the best remedy

> in every instance. Its best to see a homeopath.

>

> Sheri

> ******************

> Your wish is my request:) This is the email, minus the families name,

> etc. on how she treated Pertussis.

> By the way, I swear by the garlic in the socks. That does some

> incredible stuff...of course, your breath smells like you sucked on

> garlic.

>

> As you read this...keep in mind the recent post about the family who had

> a child with pertussis and the doctor kept telling them it was just a

> cold, because it was so mild, and then later they found out it was

> pertussis.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Can you post the thieves info. publicly? or at a minimum sent it to me.

I am ALWAYS open to alt. methods of prevention/treatment. I can just

see the face of a dph official on how to prevent disease if someone told

them they used 'thieves'... I am sure it works it just sounds funny:)

Bethanne Elion wrote:

>

> >Sheri,

> >that is not how I dealt w/pertussis but rather another family who all

> >had pertussis. I understand what you are saying I just wanted to clear

> >it up. It is always best to see a homeopath but I know of a pretty

> >prominant homeopath in CT who told me that I should vaccinate because I

> >would not know the symptoms of the diseases... (this homeopath is scared

> >to publicly come out against vaccines since they are trying to gain

> >acceptance by the medical community, as I was told by another

> >homeopath..) I posted the way that family dealt w/pertussis to show

> >options that often people don't realize they have. Anyway, on another

> >note.

>

> This is an issue right here. I know vets who are dead set against

> vaccines and go ahead and recommend them and give them and compromise

> their beliefs. i do believe there is a fear factor involve.

>

> By the way - there is a wonderful oil I use when i travel or am

> around lots of people called Theives. it was used by thieves back in

> the days of the plague. they would put it on themselves and go among

> the dying and steal from them and not get ill. I also use this on

> my dogs when we go places as one has a compromised immune system from

> vaccines. it is available through young Living Oils and if interested

> please e-mail me privately for info. i buy it from a friend. they do

> have a web site as well. There are other oil combinations for

> " protection' and they are all marvelous.

>

> --

> Bethanne Elion Volhard list moderator (volhard-subscribeegroups)

> NDF (Volhard Natural Diet Foundation) and PhD Distributor

> http://www.barkingbear.com knitnewf@...

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I agree but still better then nothing.. And I believe the subject matter of

her post was she needed help quickly, or something like that. My homeopath

is ok but as you and others have stated that is a problem with homeopaths,

not on call. I would admit to you if I were projecting but I am not this is

a real concern and a reality amongst homeopaths, obvoiusly not all but most.

[Guest guest]

Clarification::

My sons current homeopath is ok. I have found a new one for myself and my

son will be going shortly to see him as well.

[Guest guest]

You know, when I was 24, I had this persistant, terrible cough that

lasted at least 3 weeks, and every since I've been learning about

vaccinations and the diseases they're supposed to prevent, I think I must

have had pertussis!!!

I mean, I could barely catch my breath, I'd be bent over, coughing up a

lung, as some would say.... long coughing spasms... I'm pretty sure I

had it... and, concerning the germ theory, no one else " caught " it

either... and at that time, I was bartending at a night club (I

orignally thought it was due to the abundance of cigerette smoke and

quit).

Alison

>>>>Hi Kerin,

According to a paper our doctor wrote (showing his version of both sides

of

the vax issue) he states that 12% of adults with a cough that lasts

longer

than 2 weeks have pertussis. I worry too. More today as the boys are

going

to see our MD/homeopath and all I have been thinking about is that

someone

was there recently with with pertussis and *left some germs behind*

<<<<<

Alison

La. SaHMommie to beautiful, breastfed, non-vax, co-sleeping Calista, born

2-13-99.

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At 02:05 PM 01/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>You know, when I was 24, I had this persistant, terrible cough that

>lasted at least 3 weeks, and every since I've been learning about

>vaccinations and the diseases they're supposed to prevent, I think I must

>have had pertussis!!!

>I mean, I could barely catch my breath, I'd be bent over, coughing up a

>lung, as some would say.... long coughing spasms... I'm pretty sure I

>had it... and, concerning the germ theory, no one else " caught " it

>either... and at that time, I was bartending at a night club (I

>orignally thought it was due to the abundance of cigerette smoke and

>quit).

>Alison

>

I had the same thing. I was leading one of my tours in Ireland. The

coughing spasms got so bad I'd have to stop the mini-bus (15 passenger)

that I was driving to get my breath. Also had a high temp for about 5 days.

And yes, no one else caught it either!

My group wasn't too happy - they kept wanting me to go to a doctor and get

something. I finally went to appease them - drove 45 minutes each way when

my temp was high and I needed to be in bed to have him say " oh, that's

quite a cough you have there " . Also " I don't think you need an

antibiotic " . Of course I wouldn't have taken one anyway. I couldn't get

hold of my homeopath and couldn't find the right remedy on my own and

couldn't find one in Ireland that I could reach!

Anyway, finally got my homepath and started getting better.

Sheri

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In a message dated 10/3/01 6:30:11 PM GTB Daylight Time,

kristinakruz@... writes:

<< He has a cold

at the moment, runny nose, cough, congesty chest... but no signs of

pertussis.

>>

Pertussis starts as any other cold.I would give the vit C,and follow the

suggestions of your homeopath and/or ND.List member Amy recently dealt with

pertussis in her then 5mo dd,and can give suggestions.But essentially

everything must be tailored to your childs individual needs..even vitC

dosage.I know nosodes can be given as a preventative,but I know nothing of

them.

<A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic394.htm " >Click here: Pediatrics,

Pertussis from Emergency Medicine / Pediatric</A>

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic394.htm

<A HREF= " http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/biosafty/msds/msds20e.html " >Click

here: Bordetella pertussis - Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)</A>

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/biosafty/msds/msds20e.html

sara in ohio

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Thank you!

a

At 11:40 AM 10/3/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 10/3/01 6:30:11 PM GTB Daylight Time,

>kristinakruz@... writes:

>

><< He has a cold

>at the moment, runny nose, cough, congesty chest... but no signs of

>pertussis.

> >>

>Pertussis starts as any other cold.

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WHOOPING COUGH—1 (Pertussis)

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SYMPTOMS—A week or two after exposure, the catarrhal stage begins. The eyes

may be red, and the child seems to have a cold in the head. There is

sneezing and watering of the eyes. Then a persistent cough develops,

especially bad at night. This coughing continues a week, and keeps getting

worse—and is the most significant indication that the problem may be

whooping cough.

In about 2 weeks, the typical whoop begins. At first, only 1-2 times a day,

it degrades to every time there is coughing. It is a deep breath at the end

of a series of deep coughs. The child's face may be reddish or bluish from

the effort and lack of air. Vomiting may also occur.

This whooping stage lasts 3-6 weeks, and the cough may not entirely

disappear for several months.

CAUSES—Whooping cough is a contagious bacterial disease, which usually

attacks children between 6 months and 5 years of age. But infants and adults

can also be affected. A person rarely has a second attack of this disease.

The disease is not highly contagious after the first few weeks. The most

contagious phase is before a definite diagnosis is possible.

Whooping cough occurs more frequently, and seriously, in overcrowded and

unhygienic quarters and cold weather. In very young, delicate, or

undernourished children, it is more likely to develop into

broncho-pneumonia—the principle cause of death in cases of whooping cough.

Complications include convulsions, bleeding from the nose, into brain, or

area around eyes. Broncho-pneumonia can also occur; death only rarely.

You may choose to have the child vaccinated at an early age (2 months is

recommended for the series). You should weigh the fact that pertussis

vaccine is one of the most dangerous of the shots in its occasional side

effects.

TREATMENT—

• Treat the cough—When a cough first develops, treat that cough! If you do

so, the whooping cough phase can be entirely prevented!

• Wild cherry bark tea is excellent. Here are other herbs useful for coughs;

select from those you have on hand or can most easily obtain. They can be

mixed: black cohosh, flaxseed, rosemary, comfrey, horehound, hyssop, myrrh,

white pine, bloodroot, red sage, blue violet, ginseng, coltsfoot. Prepare a

tea and give a teaspoonful every hour until the cough is better.

• Be sure and include other worthwhile practices, such as partial or

complete fasting on fruit and vegetable juices until the cough is past. In

all kinds of coughs, first cleanse the system with high herb enemas and a

herbal laxative.

• When the cough is severe, as in whooping cough, have him drink warm water,

one cup after another, then stick your finger down his throat and have him

vomit.

• A light diet is essential. Overfeeding during the whooping cough prolongs

the disease and leads to complications. In case it is a breast-fed infant,

do not overfeed either. The child is thirsty, not hungry.

• As soon as it is perceived that the problem is whooping cough, place him

on a full fruit juice fast. First, give citrus juices. This can be followed

by other fruit juices; then carrot and other vegetable juices, and clear

vegetable broth soup. Later still, fruit can be added.

• Give vitamins A and C in large doses.

• It is good to soak the feet in hot water, with a little mustard and salt

added to it.

• Steam inhalations are often very helpful. They can be given every 2-4

hours, according to the severity of the case.

• Thick slippery elm tea is very good in whooping cough; mix in a little

lemon juice and drink it freely.

• A light diet is essential.

• Keep him isolated from other children.

• If the weather is warm, sunny, and not too damp or dusty, keep him out of

doors most of the day. But he should not exert himself in play.

• Air and sun his bedding every day, if there is sunshine.

• Do not give aspirin to a child or youth with a fever; it may result in

death! (See " Reye's Syndrome. "

>From: nnu29@...

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Pertussis

>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:40:42 EDT

>

>In a message dated 10/3/01 6:30:11 PM GTB Daylight Time,

>kristinakruz@... writes:

>

><< He has a cold

> at the moment, runny nose, cough, congesty chest... but no signs of

>pertussis.

> >>

>Pertussis starts as any other cold.I would give the vit C,and follow the

>suggestions of your homeopath and/or ND.List member Amy recently dealt with

>pertussis in her then 5mo dd,and can give suggestions.But essentially

>everything must be tailored to your childs individual needs..even vitC

>dosage.I know nosodes can be given as a preventative,but I know nothing of

>them.

><A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic394.htm " >Click here:

>Pediatrics,

>Pertussis from Emergency Medicine / Pediatric</A>

>http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic394.htm

><A HREF= " http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/biosafty/msds/msds20e.html " >Click

>here: Bordetella pertussis - Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)</A>

>http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/biosafty/msds/msds20e.html

>

>sara in ohio

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The main thing is to have AN EXCELLENT classical homeopath to help you thru

if your child does get pertussis

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In a message dated 3/7/02 1:03:24 AM GTB Standard Time,

chapins61198@... writes:

<<

*how long is Pertussis thought to provide immunity (the vac) if the unvac

teens had been vac as kids it's very likely that the " immunity " would have

worn off anyway. >>

I did a search under pertussis in adults at google.com,and came across a few

mentions of the vaccine lasting maybe 3-12 years after the last dose.Remember

though that this is when the person actually gets some titers from the

vaccine,as not everyone does!

Do a search and you will find what you need.

[Guest guest]

I'd be interested to hear about your experience with whooping cough. How did you

know what it was, who was infected, how did you deal with it? If you dont mind

sharing..

Thanks, Angie

Re: Exemptions - Pertussis

YES, i sure did and that was sure NO picnic with a 5 mo old. But thanks to

all of you we survived it.

AMy

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 10

Carrigian 6

5

Chaela Noelle 20 mo

When you know better. You do better..Maya Angelo

[Guest guest]

As you say reorted isn't confirmed, if you beleive official data yu

can probably access their version of confirmed figs which will no

doubt be a lot lower.

You may even see mortality figs, to my undertsanding these are also

not a huge cause for concern or to have mass immunisation policy.

For Pert. there is the brain damage issue, totally accepted by

professionals - just lessened in alarm by the " rare " tactic.

There is a theory I've come accross that Pert may infact be so mild

that most people contract it indeed and it is not an issue.

Diagnosis is always a bit unrelaible for various reasons but

something to consider.

Nothing obviously gives as good or as long protection as natural

exposure -new scientist ran some things on suggested Pert. boosters

suggesting perhaps at 10 yearly intervals.

There are actually a fair few non immunising parents with young

children, as you appear to be a lone ship in your area I'd suggest

you try and contact other like minded families to share experiences,

and not get bogged down with what your vaxed friends are doing as a

majority.

People panic, media makes its money as do the government and vaccine

manufacturers by encouraging it further. if you're logical about

it, i see no need to panic, just to remind yourself what you're

doing and the point. I would not recommend trying to educate or

worse defend yourself to friends, it's not necessary with true

friends, they should respect your intelligence and rights on how to

bring up your own children.

By discussing things in response to them/their information/their

scenarios you are infact moving further away from the truthfull

picture.

If peoples children are already reliably vaxed then you surely pose

no issue to them whatsoever.

If you are in the Uk I am a coordinator with the natural immunity

network for non vaxing parents, if you'd like a local contact please

email me off list.

My daughters 20 months and unvaxed, I had pert. aged 3 and noone, gp

included was especially concerned, how things change.

bw

[Guest guest]

My kids were exposed to pertussis in a local outbreak. One was fully vaccinated

as a baby and one is not vaccinated at all. I don't know if what they got was

pertussis, but a few days after their exposure, both of my kids had a barky

cough like harbor seals, runny nose, congestion and (what I consider) mild

fevers of 101-102. It was gone within two days. My older, previously

vaccinated child was much sicker than my non-vaccinated child, but they both

came through it fine and on the outside, just appeared to be a bad cold. My

oldest had a few gagging problems during a coughing fit, but nothing severe.

I never took them to a doctor so we never had it confirmed as pertussis, but it

certainly seemed like it was. It's impossible to tell, unfortunately.

--

Roni Bergerson

Independent Monavie Distributor

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From: " le " <drdlm2000@...>

Anybody here ever have a child with pertussis? Just wondering how you

treated it and what symptoms you encountered.

I have 2 babies, 8 and 21 months, both totally non-vaccinated with

coughs, mild congestion and no fever for the past week. They otherwise

are acting fine. Deeply my conscience tells me that it's just a cold

virus but of course when you start thinking too much you start to worry

about other things that it could be. Just needing some reassurance I

guess.

le

[Guest guest]

my 19 yr old has MRSA staph; I just found out, he contracted it from the

infirmiry @ his college. He told me this AFTER taking 2 different abx that did

not work.

ACS200 Colloidal silver, which I use for my clients and sell, KILLS THE MRSA

STAPH.

this is from another group,

this is a very good product-BUT it is only from health profesonals.

it is about $50.00--good to have on hand.

cleared up mastitus over night on my daughter-oraly & on the breast. her 5 yr

old uses it too.

roger

calladragonlily@... wrote:

My kids were exposed to pertussis in a local outbreak. One was fully

vaccinated as a baby and one is not vaccinated at all. I don't know if what they

got was pertussis, but a few days after their exposure, both of my kids had a

barky cough like harbor seals, runny nose, congestion and (what I consider) mild

fevers of 101-102. It was gone within two days. My older, previously vaccinated

child was much sicker than my non-vaccinated child, but they both came through

it fine and on the outside, just appeared to be a bad cold. My oldest had a few

gagging problems during a coughing fit, but nothing severe.

I never took them to a doctor so we never had it confirmed as pertussis, but it

certainly seemed like it was. It's impossible to tell, unfortunately.

--

Roni Bergerson

Independent Monavie Distributor

Celebrate Good Health with Monavie!

http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " le " <drdlm2000@...>

Anybody here ever have a child with pertussis? Just wondering how you

treated it and what symptoms you encountered.

I have 2 babies, 8 and 21 months, both totally non-vaccinated with

coughs, mild congestion and no fever for the past week. They otherwise

are acting fine. Deeply my conscience tells me that it's just a cold

virus but of course when you start thinking too much you start to worry

about other things that it could be. Just needing some reassurance I

guess.

le

[Guest guest]

I know croup is going around here in SC....steam up the bathroom adn then take

outside into teh cool night air. This reduces immflamation and breaks up moucus

Vaccinations@...: drdlm2000@...: Fri, 29 Feb 2008

14:28:54 +0000Subject: Pertussis

Anybody here ever have a child with pertussis? Just wondering how you treated it

and what symptoms you encountered. I have 2 babies, 8 and 21 months, both

totally non-vaccinated with coughs, mild congestion and no fever for the past

week. They otherwise are acting fine. Deeply my conscience tells me that it's

just a cold virus but of course when you start thinking too much you start to

worry about other things that it could be. Just needing some reassurance I

guess.le

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>

> Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does?

> I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared

> he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die.

>

[Guest guest]

We had it, or its viral equivalent, last year. The baby was 3 months. He

got dehydrated because the doctor insisted the problem was I should use

formula (he did not want anything: I would use popsicles if something like

this happened again. Once he was hydrated, he bounced right back) and the

palliative care they gave helped. We are all fine. It was a drag but

hardly worth all the craziness.

Maeghan

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Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:46 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Pertussis

Does Pertussis not kill like the doctors lead us to believe it does?

I'd like to skip this vaccine with our next baby, but I'm so scared

he'll get pertussis (the sickness) as an infant and die.