(Thanks, Ed) Re: Exercise Myth was: Gaining weight with butter, olive oil...

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As always, Ed, I appreciate your input! :-))

Yes, I agree that we need to challenge the muscle(s) to grow beyond their

'normal' size/strength.

If I was not clear, my concern was the Lalanne said exercise was KING and

nutrition QUEEN (in weight.... Loss? Maintenance?).

Maybe exercise is KING is strength gaining?

Anyway, isnt nutrition KING? You say they go hand in hand. Fair enough

(tho my buddy won't hear it!).

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@@ Hi & Everyone,

If I understand Bee correctly, then I agree, and it seems feasible to state

one can maintain or acquire back their intended " normal strength " and muscle

tone. This can be related to Humans or Animals.

However, The original question was " can muscle grow without weight bearing

exercise " .

The answer is yes & no. I'll explain.

Yes, muscle can grow or be stimulated to increase in size and/or strength

without weights; instead one could use body weight exercises i.e push ups ,

chin-ups ... etc , to stimulate the muscle

Otherwise the answer is No! The muscle/s cannot increase beyond its intended

natural size/strength with nutrition alone.

The muscle needs a stimulus which would give it a reason to increase in

strength, stamina or size.

, Jack Lalanne, Clarence Bass and a good few others in the same

respective fields of health & Fitness only believe in doing short training

sessions of approx. 30-35 minutes, not marathon type workouts. So not to

worry, they're on top of their game. By the way there was a lot of hype in

the 1930's and so on , that exercise would cause impotence, stunt one's

growth and a lot of other hyped nonsense from Doctors. This tactic is not

new.

, I wish anyone the best of luck in producing you a link that trumps

Jack Lalanne , since he is not only the product, but is educated in his

respective field and holds a degree or two as well, in his respective field

of expertise.

Anyway, people in the past didn't need exercise because they worked the

farms or hunters climbed, ran, wrestled their game or amongst themselves

playfully and so forth. Thus, people all over the world were active, due

their lifestyles, so of course they received enough exercise; unlike people

of today. Some of these activities, I just listed, would also stimulate

muscle growth to some degree.

Lastly, if you go to " The correct exercise for health " , Part 3 in " Groves "

article ... read his conclusion & summary. Here is a little quote from that

summary :

" but exercise of the right kind will keep you fit: that is supple, strong

and with stamina. "

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/the-exercise-myth-3.html

Barry Grove is only demonstrating how exercise is misused and not to be

confused with exercise being totally unhealthy or unnecessary. Moreover, he

states, " athletes are not known for their longevity " ; I agree.

However, active people, are known for their longevity in conjunction with

their healthy diets. So there is a fine line.

Both Nutrition & Exercise walk in unison. Each has its purpose and merits.

Increasing Muscle Size, Strength or Stamina is not one of Nutrition's merits

or purposes. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

I hope this clarifies the boundaries of Exercise & Nutrition.

No disrespect intended & apologies for the lengthy post.

Ed

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[Guest guest]

>

> As always, Ed, I appreciate your input! :-))

>

> Yes, I agree that we need to challenge the muscle(s) to grow beyond their

'normal' size/strength.

>

> If I was not clear, my concern was the Lalanne said exercise was KING and >

nutrition QUEEN (in weight.... Loss? Maintenance?).

>

> Maybe exercise is KING is strength gaining?

>

> Anyway, isnt nutrition KING? You say they go hand in hand. Fair enough (tho

my buddy won't hear it!).

>

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@@ Hi ,

Yes Exercise is the only way you can increase strength beyond your given natural

ability or strength, if you will.

, I will not get to carried away with this, however, the original Jack

Lalanne phrase is , " Exercise is King, Nutrition is Queen and 'TOGETHER " they

form the Kingdom! "

Notice the emphasis on " TOGETHER " . Therefore, each with it's supreme purpose

works together to make the person (KINGDOM), the healthiest and best they can

be!

His phrase is just an analogy to demonstrate the above. Jack Lalanne has

commented , that Exercise or Nutrition work together, NOT alone! Thus, neither

is better than the other, technically, in his opinion.

, between me and you, I think your buddy needs to understand what that

phrase really means, by reviewing some Mr.Lalanne's interviews and articles.

Take care,

Ed

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