Raw Milk

[Guest guest]

Mark McAfee and the family are the owners of OP. He goes all over the States

with lectures to promote the raw milk. As far as I know all farmers who produce

raw milk can't produce enough to satisfy all customers. Isn't that great?

Barbara

Yeah, Barbara, the raw milk from Organic Pastures, which is the

brand I bought, comes from Jersey cows. I know Holsteins are the

ones most dairies use. And I read about the fact that they don't

live as long because of the growth hormone. It sort-of " burns them

out. "

I'd love to go visit Organic Pastures' dairy, sometime, since

they're right down there in Fresno, only 3 hours from Sacramento.

My mother grew up down there, so we know the area real well. It's

almost like a second or third " home town. " We went there a lot when

I was a kid--still do.

And one the coolest things about Organic Pastures, is that they have

actual names for all of their cows! I think that is so neat. That

right there says they care more about their cows than regular

dairies. And the guy who runs it is real knowledgeable and cares

passionately about the benefits of raw milk.

It was $8 for the half-gallon, but it is so worth it. That's a

better " investment " than the lottery--or the stock market, the way

it's been, lately.

I heard on a recent news report, that Organic Pastures can hardly

keep up with the demand for their raw milk. It's becoming that

popular, which is great to hear.

Oh, and I'm glad VCO melts at only 76 degrees. That makes it

perfect for use in coffee. And my coffee- " holic " husband likes the

taste, too. And the raw milk, too.

Cryss

[Guest guest]

All animal products and milk and butter fat are good for us.

All raw cheeses are good for us too.

Full fat milk is discouraged becaue of the fat contents but we know that butter

fat is protective of heart and THE best, the healthiest fat there is and coconut

oil is second.

Barbara

I found an organic farm here in Austin, Tx. They have

fresh raw goat milk and they indicated they are

willing to deliver to homes. What is in dairy

products that some people discourage us from taking

them? Is cheese bad?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

:

It might just be the Lactose or the Fat. I can't drink milk anyway so.....

Bonnie

Raw Milk

I found an organic farm here in Austin, Tx. They have

fresh raw goat milk and they indicated they are

willing to deliver to homes. What is in dairy

products that some people discourage us from taking

them? Is cheese bad?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

" Full fat milk is discouraged.... "

What I read is that " full fat " milk is the ONLY thing to be

drinking, at least, as far as raw milk goes. I don't know if it

even comes in a lower-fat version.

But I read something somewhere that the lower fat milks--and I'm

referring to the " regular " ones on the shelves--have some degree of

powdered nonfat milk added to them to give them more body, and

that's not good. But I don't recall what I read that was so " bad "

about powdered nonfat milk.

But I have read the comment about only drinking " full-fat " milk

several times.

Butter fat from grass-fed cows is supposed to be the BEST fat. And,

yes, VCO is second best.

But I read even butter from " regular " cows is certainly better for

you than the vegetable oil " fake fats. "

So, now if I go to a restaurant and order a baked potato, I insist

on genuine butter. Be sure to ask your waiter, folks, 'cause a lot

of places are using margarine.

And, it's funny, they kind of look at me like I'm nuts when I ask

for genuine butter. I think they think that's why I'm

overweight, 'cause I eat butter, and they think that packs on the

pounds, 'cause that's what we've all been told for so long.

But, I'll tell ya, since I've made the change away from margarine, I

can sure tell the difference in taste. I had some " Country Crock "

at this one restaurant weeks ago, and it tasted so horrid! Yuck!

I've been telling the waitress to have the cooks grill my chicken in

water or a little butter so they don't stick, and DON'T use any

OIL. That is, of course, the rare times we go to any restaurants,

anymore. I just find a lot of what they have on the menu is stuff I

don't want anymore, because 99% of it has ingredients I prefer not

to eat.

And restaurant food also seems to make me feel TOO full, afterward,

and feels like it takes " forever " to digest. I'll still feel overly

full and uncomfortable hours afterward, like I used to, when I used

to frequent them a lot.

I can't stand that feeling. Never could. Now I understand why I

felt that way.

The way I'm eating now, I'm satisfied and comfortable on so much

less than the amount I used to eat.

I love this new way of eating. I don't miss the old " junk food " at

all.

And raw cheese is very yummy, too. You just have to get used to

cheddar being white instead of yellow.

Cryss

>

> All animal products and milk and butter fat are good for us.

> All raw cheeses are good for us too.

> Full fat milk is discouraged becaue of the fat contents but we

know that butter fat is protective of heart and THE best, the

healthiest fat there is and coconut oil is second.

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

> I found an organic farm here in Austin, Tx. They have

> fresh raw goat milk and they indicated they are

> willing to deliver to homes. What is in dairy

> products that some people discourage us from taking

> them? Is cheese bad?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Calcium is FAT soluble, without the fat we can't absorb the calcium from

the milk.

zoe

Thursday, March 8, 2007, 6:06:14 PM, you wrote:

> " Full fat milk is discouraged.... "

> What I read is that " full fat " milk is the ONLY thing to be

> drinking, at least, as far as raw milk goes. I don't know if it

> even comes in a lower-fat version.

> But I read something somewhere that the lower fat milks--and I'm

> referring to the " regular " ones on the shelves--have some degree of

> powdered nonfat milk added to them to give them more body, and

> that's not good. But I don't recall what I read that was so " bad "

> about powdered nonfat milk.

> But I have read the comment about only drinking " full-fat " milk

> several times.

> Butter fat from grass-fed cows is supposed to be the BEST fat. And,

> yes, VCO is second best.

> But I read even butter from " regular " cows is certainly better for

> you than the vegetable oil " fake fats. "

> So, now if I go to a restaurant and order a baked potato, I insist

> on genuine butter. Be sure to ask your waiter, folks, 'cause a lot

> of places are using margarine.

> And, it's funny, they kind of look at me like I'm nuts when I ask

> for genuine butter. I think they think that's why I'm

> overweight, 'cause I eat butter, and they think that packs on the

> pounds, 'cause that's what we've all been told for so long.

> But, I'll tell ya, since I've made the change away from margarine, I

> can sure tell the difference in taste. I had some " Country Crock "

> at this one restaurant weeks ago, and it tasted so horrid! Yuck!

> I've been telling the waitress to have the cooks grill my chicken in

> water or a little butter so they don't stick, and DON'T use any

> OIL. That is, of course, the rare times we go to any restaurants,

> anymore. I just find a lot of what they have on the menu is stuff I

> don't want anymore, because 99% of it has ingredients I prefer not

> to eat.

> And restaurant food also seems to make me feel TOO full, afterward,

> and feels like it takes " forever " to digest. I'll still feel overly

> full and uncomfortable hours afterward, like I used to, when I used

> to frequent them a lot.

> I can't stand that feeling. Never could. Now I understand why I

> felt that way.

> The way I'm eating now, I'm satisfied and comfortable on so much

> less than the amount I used to eat.

> I love this new way of eating. I don't miss the old " junk food " at

> all.

> And raw cheese is very yummy, too. You just have to get used to

> cheddar being white instead of yellow.

> Cryss

>

>> All animal products and milk and butter fat are good for us.

>> All raw cheeses are good for us too.

>> Full fat milk is discouraged becaue of the fat contents but we

> know that butter fat is protective of heart and THE best, the

> healthiest fat there is and coconut oil is second.

>> Barbara

>> I found an organic farm here in Austin, Tx. They have

>> fresh raw goat milk and they indicated they are

>> willing to deliver to homes. What is in dairy

>> products that some people discourage us from taking

>> them? Is cheese bad?

>> Thanks.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

" Full fat milk is discouraged.... "

What I read is that " full fat " milk is the ONLY thing to be

drinking, at least, as far as raw milk goes. I don't know if it

even comes in a lower-fat version.

Cryss, the question was what is there in the milk that it is discouraged by the

medical establishment and my reply was because of butter fat and the cholesterol

scare.

Of course, raw milk is unprocessed and of full fat and butter fat is the most

valuable part of the milk.

But I read something somewhere that the lower fat milks--and I'm

referring to the " regular " ones on the shelves--have some degree of

powdered nonfat milk added to them to give them more body, and

that's not good. But I don't recall what I read that was so " bad "

about powdered nonfat milk.

I have read the same thing.

But I have read the comment about only drinking " full-fat " milk

several times.

Butter fat from grass-fed cows is supposed to be the BEST fat. And, yes, VCO is

second best.

You are very right here.

But I read even butter from " regular " cows is certainly better for

you than the vegetable oil " fake fats. "

Right again.

So, now if I go to a restaurant and order a baked potato, I insist

on genuine butter. Be sure to ask your waiter, folks, 'cause a lot

of places are using margarine.

I do the same thing. I also ask for half/half for my coffee and if they don't

have I ask if there is not enough cows in US so there is a shortage of cream?

And then I ask for milk.

And, it's funny, they kind of look at me like I'm nuts when I ask

for genuine butter. I think they think that's why I'm

overweight, 'cause I eat butter, and they think that packs on the

pounds, 'cause that's what we've all been told for so long.

These people are not aware of the real health giving qualities of butter.

But, I'll tell ya, since I've made the change away from margarine, I

can sure tell the difference in taste. I had some " Country Crock "

at this one restaurant weeks ago, and it tasted so horrid! Yuck!

I've been telling the waitress to have the cooks grill my chicken in

water or a little butter so they don't stick, and DON'T use any

OIL. That is, of course, the rare times we go to any restaurants,

anymore. I just find a lot of what they have on the menu is stuff I

don't want anymore, because 99% of it has ingredients I prefer not

to eat.

Same here.

And restaurant food also seems to make me feel TOO full, afterward,

and feels like it takes " forever " to digest. I'll still feel overly

full and uncomfortable hours afterward, like I used to, when I used

to frequent them a lot.

I can't stand that feeling. Never could. Now I understand why I

felt that way.

The way I'm eating now, I'm satisfied and comfortable on so much

less than the amount I used to eat.

I love this new way of eating. I don't miss the old " junk food " at

all.

And raw cheese is very yummy, too. You just have to get used to

cheddar being white instead of yellow.

Cryss

Your new way of eating will give you more health.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, Barbara, I guess I misunderstood your earlier post.

Thank you for clarifying it.

Yes, the medical establishment does advocate the use of the lower

fat milks, because--they say--it's " healthier " for us.

But a lot of people have trouble with " regular " milk. They can't

digest it properly. I read that that is because of the

pasteurization process. It makes the milk difficult for the body to

digest.

So, I think people who are " lactose intolerant, " might be that way

because of the pasteurization and homogenization processes.

You know, one thing I have noticed since I've been using raw milk in

my coffee. I have never liked using milk in my coffee in place of

cream--half and half. But this raw milk tastes absolutely yummy in

my coffee. Now, I don't know if it's because I also add some

chocolate and a heaping tablespoon of VCO, but it's yummy.

Now, I think the reason I never liked milk in my coffee is that most

places only have the lowfat milk, and, of course, it's " regular "

pasteurized milk.

I think the difference with raw milk is that it still has

the " cream " in it. So it already is " half and half. " Don't you

think? Half and half is half cream and half milk. And isn't raw

milk the exact same thing, basically? It's cream and milk mixed

together, so to speak, right?

Or is cream different from the butter fat in milk? I've always

thought they were one and the same. But are they?

Just wondering.

Cryss

>

>

>

>

> " Full fat milk is discouraged.... "

>

> What I read is that " full fat " milk is the ONLY thing to be

> drinking, at least, as far as raw milk goes. I don't know if it

> even comes in a lower-fat version.

>

> Cryss, the question was what is there in the milk that it is

discouraged by the medical establishment and my reply was because of

butter fat and the cholesterol scare.

>

> Of course, raw milk is unprocessed and of full fat and butter fat

is the most valuable part of the milk.

>

> But I read something somewhere that the lower fat milks--and I'm

> referring to the " regular " ones on the shelves--have some degree

of

> powdered nonfat milk added to them to give them more body, and

> that's not good. But I don't recall what I read that was so " bad "

> about powdered nonfat milk.

>

> I have read the same thing.

>

> But I have read the comment about only drinking " full-fat " milk

> several times.

>

> Butter fat from grass-fed cows is supposed to be the BEST fat.

And, yes, VCO is second best.

>

> You are very right here.

>

> But I read even butter from " regular " cows is certainly better for

> you than the vegetable oil " fake fats. "

>

> Right again.

>

> So, now if I go to a restaurant and order a baked potato, I insist

> on genuine butter. Be sure to ask your waiter, folks, 'cause a

lot

> of places are using margarine.

>

> I do the same thing. I also ask for half/half for my coffee and

if they don't have I ask if there is not enough cows in US so there

is a shortage of cream? And then I ask for milk.

>

> And, it's funny, they kind of look at me like I'm nuts when I ask

> for genuine butter. I think they think that's why I'm

> overweight, 'cause I eat butter, and they think that packs on the

> pounds, 'cause that's what we've all been told for so long.

>

> These people are not aware of the real health giving qualities of

butter.

>

> But, I'll tell ya, since I've made the change away from margarine,

I

> can sure tell the difference in taste. I had some " Country Crock "

> at this one restaurant weeks ago, and it tasted so horrid! Yuck!

>

> I've been telling the waitress to have the cooks grill my chicken

in

> water or a little butter so they don't stick, and DON'T use any

> OIL. That is, of course, the rare times we go to any restaurants,

> anymore. I just find a lot of what they have on the menu is stuff

I

> don't want anymore, because 99% of it has ingredients I prefer not

> to eat.

>

> Same here.

>

> And restaurant food also seems to make me feel TOO full,

afterward,

> and feels like it takes " forever " to digest. I'll still feel

overly

> full and uncomfortable hours afterward, like I used to, when I

used

> to frequent them a lot.

>

> I can't stand that feeling. Never could. Now I understand why I

> felt that way.

>

> The way I'm eating now, I'm satisfied and comfortable on so much

> less than the amount I used to eat.

>

> I love this new way of eating. I don't miss the old " junk food "

at

> all.

>

> And raw cheese is very yummy, too. You just have to get used to

> cheddar being white instead of yellow.

>

> Cryss

>

> Your new way of eating will give you more health.

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cryss, the difference you taste in raw milk is the amount of fat that is in that

milk. Most of raw milk is from Jersey cows and it is naturally high in butter

fat. And yes, cream and butter fat are the same thing. If you skim the cream

off your milk you can churn into an honest to goodness butter Some people do

it but I buy cream separately, I like my milk creamy and mellow with full amount

of cream.

Raw milk is not exactly " half and half " . If it comes from Jersey cows, it has

5% to 7% fat. Holsteins' milk which is regular store bought milk is 3% fat.

That makes a big difference in the taste of milk.

Barbara

I think the difference with raw milk is that it still has

the " cream " in it. So it already is " half and half. " Don't you

think? Half and half is half cream and half milk. And isn't raw

milk the exact same thing, basically? It's cream and milk mixed

together, so to speak, right?

Or is cream different from the butter fat in milk? I've always

thought they were one and the same. But are they?

Just wondering.

Cryss

[Guest guest]

I have friends in Austin. What is the name of the farm which

delivers raw goat milk? Do they have a website?

Alobar

On 3/8/07, melly banagale <@...> wrote:

> I found an organic farm here in Austin, Tx. They have

> fresh raw goat milk and they indicated they are

> willing to deliver to homes.

[Guest guest]

I haven't made the switch to raw milk yet. I just don't know. I do know that E

Coli has been found in the past in raw milk. For that matter it's been found on

spinach and in meat and at fast food places, so you have to pick your comfort

level. I have cut down drastically on milk and I buy one that is produced with

no hormones. It's not organic, but there is a dairy here -- Sinton's -- that has

apparently never use the Rsbh (or whatever it is) hormone on their dairy cows.

I have considered going raw, just haven't done so yet.............looking

forward to other answers.

Raw Milk

Okay so my baby just had her last bottle of Soy Formula. Thank you

everyone for your input on that.

Next question: Should I be giving my family raw milk? (besides the 9

month old) My husband grew up on a Dairy farm and I have never let my

kids drink it because the Dr. said not to. Now I tend to question

everything my Dr. tells me.

Thank you everyone for helping me to be educated on the dangers of

vaccines and othere things.

Adelyn

[Guest guest]

Raw milk is much better then pasteurized milk. If I drink milk I will only drink

raw. Raw milk usually comes from grass fed cows therefore the cows are healthier

and the milk you get is healthier. Here are some great websites that explain the

benefits or drinking raw milk.

http://www.realmilk.com/healthbenefits.html

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html

http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/24/raw_milk.htm

Alison

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From: adelynwithers <adelynwithers@...>

Next question: Should I be giving my family raw milk? (besides the 9

month old) My husband grew up on a Dairy farm and I have never let my

kids drink it because the Dr. said not to. Now I tend to question

everything my Dr. tells me.

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Raw milk from pastured cows the best thing you can do for yourself and

your family. Get to know a farmer, how they raise their animals,

wheather they vaccinate them or not, wheather they used antibotics or

do they just pull sick animals out of the production process and how

the milk is handled after the cow has been milked. I know the farmer

I buy from Pastures their cows and when they milk them, they test the

milk before bottling it so there is peace of mind. All of these

factors make a huge difference.

In addition, the taste in quality alone will convince you of how good

it is, it will really make think twice about the putrude stuff they

sell in the stores that is called milk and yes it tastes way better

then the pastured organic milk as well because most of that is still

produced in industrialized settings and that is not good for the

animals or the milk and it is not good to be putting in your body.

Someone already posted it but read the articles on www.realmilk.com,

they will explain the issues at hand.

But the bottom line is this, there are many types of ecoli and most of

them are harmless, the toxic ecoli the ones that cause problems only

come from one source, that is cows being fed corn and grain and not

being pasture fed. The reason there is a problem with the cows being

fed corn is because COWS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE EATING CORN. And when

you feed a cow corn it makes them ill and raises the PH Balance of the

cows guy and when that happens the ecoli become tolerant to a high PH

balance and become toxic to humans.

If you by milk from pastured cows that are eating what they are

suppose to be eating it will never be a problem.

I drink it and I am 5 mos pregnant, most of my friends and their kids

drink it, it truely is one of the best things you can put in your body.

Hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

I drink it, my sister drinks it, and my 4 month old baby drinks it.

And just so you know, if raw milk is bad it will smell horrible, so

you will always know (if pasteurized milk is bad or contaminated it

won't smell, so you won't know.) Also, get yourself and your family

eating grass fed beef too and pastured chickens and eggs. If your

child really is allergic to soy or you just want to avoid it, as you

should, then soy fed chickens and eggs could have an allergenic

effect too.

Also, it may be kind of hard to find raw milk. I have a very

difficult time and I live in Nebraska! However, in this state,

farmers cannot advertise or sell outside their farm. In some states

they can't do even that, which is stupid, because the government

allows the selling of contaminated peanut butter, spinach, and a

whole bunch of stuff from China, but will not even support their own

hard working American citizens trying to make a living. It is a

shame that the small farms are going out of business. Some farmers

sell raw milk but they label it as animal food so that is how they

get around it. If you cannot find locally, you can get it shipped

frozen. It is kind of expensive, about 8.$ a gallon, but worth it,

and no more expensive than organic pasteurized milk from the grocery

store. I know of atleast two states that can sell it in stores,

California and Washington (where I am moving to in 3 weeks.) This

will make my life easier.

>

> Raw milk from pastured cows the best thing you can do for yourself

and

> your family. Get to know a farmer, how they raise their animals,

> wheather they vaccinate them or not, wheather they used antibotics

or

> do they just pull sick animals out of the production process and

how

> the milk is handled after the cow has been milked. I know the

farmer

> I buy from Pastures their cows and when they milk them, they test

the

> milk before bottling it so there is peace of mind. All of these

> factors make a huge difference.

>

> In addition, the taste in quality alone will convince you of how

good

> it is, it will really make think twice about the putrude stuff they

> sell in the stores that is called milk and yes it tastes way better

> then the pastured organic milk as well because most of that is

still

> produced in industrialized settings and that is not good for the

> animals or the milk and it is not good to be putting in your body.

>

> Someone already posted it but read the articles on

www.realmilk.com,

> they will explain the issues at hand.

>

> But the bottom line is this, there are many types of ecoli and

most of

> them are harmless, the toxic ecoli the ones that cause problems

only

> come from one source, that is cows being fed corn and grain and not

> being pasture fed. The reason there is a problem with the cows

being

> fed corn is because COWS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE EATING CORN. And

when

> you feed a cow corn it makes them ill and raises the PH Balance of

the

> cows guy and when that happens the ecoli become tolerant to a high

PH

> balance and become toxic to humans.

>

> If you by milk from pastured cows that are eating what they are

> suppose to be eating it will never be a problem.

>

> I drink it and I am 5 mos pregnant, most of my friends and their

kids

> drink it, it truely is one of the best things you can put in your

body.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

[Guest guest]

go to www.rawmilk.com to find a raw milk supplier near you and for more data and

info on raw milk, the benefits and the scare tactics around it (much like

vaxes)!

The Big Food suppliers in our world work much like Big Pharma. Big Food and

huge mainstream and some organic dairy farmers are out for profit at the expense

of exploiting animals, our earth and our health. That is the reason I avoid milk

in the grocery stores and buy from my local raw milk dairy farm.

Getting over the fear of raw milk is much like getting over the fear of the

diseases we vax for. I know it took me some time and now I won't look back on my

choices.

Take care,

Vida Khan <vidamarino@...> wrote:

I drink it, my sister drinks it, and my 4 month old baby drinks it.

And just so you know, if raw milk is bad it will smell horrible, so

you will always know (if pasteurized milk is bad or contaminated it

won't smell, so you won't know.) Also, get yourself and your family

eating grass fed beef too and pastured chickens and eggs. If your

child really is allergic to soy or you just want to avoid it, as you

should, then soy fed chickens and eggs could have an allergenic

effect too.

Also, it may be kind of hard to find raw milk. I have a very

difficult time and I live in Nebraska! However, in this state,

farmers cannot advertise or sell outside their farm. In some states

they can't do even that, which is stupid, because the government

allows the selling of contaminated peanut butter, spinach, and a

whole bunch of stuff from China, but will not even support their own

hard working American citizens trying to make a living. It is a

shame that the small farms are going out of business. Some farmers

sell raw milk but they label it as animal food so that is how they

get around it. If you cannot find locally, you can get it shipped

frozen. It is kind of expensive, about 8.$ a gallon, but worth it,

and no more expensive than organic pasteurized milk from the grocery

store. I know of atleast two states that can sell it in stores,

California and Washington (where I am moving to in 3 weeks.) This

will make my life easier.

>

> Raw milk from pastured cows the best thing you can do for yourself

and

> your family. Get to know a farmer, how they raise their animals,

> wheather they vaccinate them or not, wheather they used antibotics

or

> do they just pull sick animals out of the production process and

how

> the milk is handled after the cow has been milked. I know the

farmer

> I buy from Pastures their cows and when they milk them, they test

the

> milk before bottling it so there is peace of mind. All of these

> factors make a huge difference.

>

> In addition, the taste in quality alone will convince you of how

good

> it is, it will really make think twice about the putrude stuff they

> sell in the stores that is called milk and yes it tastes way better

> then the pastured organic milk as well because most of that is

still

> produced in industrialized settings and that is not good for the

> animals or the milk and it is not good to be putting in your body.

>

> Someone already posted it but read the articles on

www.realmilk.com,

> they will explain the issues at hand.

>

> But the bottom line is this, there are many types of ecoli and

most of

> them are harmless, the toxic ecoli the ones that cause problems

only

> come from one source, that is cows being fed corn and grain and not

> being pasture fed. The reason there is a problem with the cows

being

> fed corn is because COWS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE EATING CORN. And

when

> you feed a cow corn it makes them ill and raises the PH Balance of

the

> cows guy and when that happens the ecoli become tolerant to a high

PH

> balance and become toxic to humans.

>

> If you by milk from pastured cows that are eating what they are

> suppose to be eating it will never be a problem.

>

> I drink it and I am 5 mos pregnant, most of my friends and their

kids

> drink it, it truely is one of the best things you can put in your

body.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

[Guest guest]

An excellent book that explains why raw milk is better for you (and real eggs

and grass-fed beef, etc.) is Real Food: What to Eat And Why, by Nina Planck.

Just finished it on vacation and it was fantastic!

Any of you vegetarians will NOT like it so much as she became a vegetarian,

then a vegan and then decided that she felt terrible and gained weight (after

being a vegan for several years). Still, the main message is that REAL FOOD,

which is hard to find these days, is what we were intended to eat and that it

provides health. Great read.

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

Hi there. My name is and I've been lurking for a few months.

I just wanted to reply to the post about Real Food: What to Eat and

Why - I am sure there are some great things about the book, but I know

that she has published a couple articles on vegetarianism and veganism

that get the science really quite wrong, which just brings into

question (for me) generally how accurate she is on the whole. If you

read her book, I would also look up some articles that offer

alternative views on her claims, and in particular her use of studies

and science.

All the best,

Re: Raw Milk

Posted by: " Sheri B. " tallchick1966@... tallchick1966

Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:40 am (PST)

An excellent book that explains why raw milk is better for you (and

real eggs and grass-fed beef, etc.) is Real Food: What to Eat And Why,

by Nina Planck. Just finished it on vacation and it was fantastic!

Any of you vegetarians will NOT like it so much as she became a

vegetarian, then a vegan and then decided that she felt terrible and

gained weight (after being a vegan for several years). Still, the main

message is that REAL FOOD, which is hard to find these days, is what

we were intended to eat and that it provides health. Great read.

Sheri B.

[Guest guest]

,

Can you explain further what you think she gets wrong? There is so much info

out there with so many conflicting opinions and so called " science and studies "

we are fed to back it up are no longer a trustworthy source. Even though I am a

member of Weston Price, I am on the fence on vegetarianism and meat. It seems to

me the more and more I learn and read on different sides, that all food has

energy. They say not to cook veggies too long and eat food in it's natural state

in order not to kill the vitamins, minerals and natural enzymes our bodies need.

What about meat then? That is dead food that we then cook so I wonder then how

our bodies can utilize nutrients. And even though I eat grass fed beef, if you

ask at the counter at Whole Foods, all grass fed and free range animals are

still fed corn and soy-two food items that are 80% GMO. It is just that grass

fed beef eats the corn shortly before they are slaughtered. And then aren't all

slaughter houses the same? I just

don't trust that these animals are treated humanely on all levels, even organic

and natural " free range " .

What do you smart, enlighted folks out there think? I am just trying to start

a dialogue with health concious people. TIA!

elizabethgish <egish@...> wrote:

Hi there. My name is and I've been lurking for a few months.

I just wanted to reply to the post about Real Food: What to Eat and

Why - I am sure there are some great things about the book, but I know

that she has published a couple articles on vegetarianism and veganism

that get the science really quite wrong, which just brings into

question (for me) generally how accurate she is on the whole. If you

read her book, I would also look up some articles that offer

alternative views on her claims, and in particular her use of studies

and science.

All the best,

Re: Raw Milk

Posted by: " Sheri B. " tallchick1966@... tallchick1966

Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:40 am (PST)

An excellent book that explains why raw milk is better for you (and

real eggs and grass-fed beef, etc.) is Real Food: What to Eat And Why,

by Nina Planck. Just finished it on vacation and it was fantastic!

Any of you vegetarians will NOT like it so much as she became a

vegetarian, then a vegan and then decided that she felt terrible and

gained weight (after being a vegan for several years). Still, the main

message is that REAL FOOD, which is hard to find these days, is what

we were intended to eat and that it provides health. Great read.

Sheri B.

[Guest guest]

>

> " Although some find they are allergic to

> > pasteurized dairy but can handle raw milk just fine "

>

> I was wondering why that is. I used to think I was lactose

> intolerant. Then I had raw milk and did not get a reaction. After

> drinking raw milk for a bit, I'm actually able to drink pasturized

milk

> without a problem now.

>

>

I'm not entirely sure - I think I can handle both as well, but I've

been getting sensitive lately so who knows? I eat pasteurized cheese

and yogurt all the time, but do only raw milk. I think it has to do

with the damaged protein - damaged by pasteurization that is. I wonder

if www.realmilk.com would have more info...

Magda

[Guest guest]

At 01:11 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote:

> " Although some find they are allergic to

> > pasteurized dairy but can handle raw milk just fine "

>

>I was wondering why that is. I used to think I was lactose

>intolerant. Then I had raw milk and did not get a reaction. After

>drinking raw milk for a bit, I'm actually able to drink pasturized milk

>without a problem now.

>

>

Some of the problem is more than like homogenization

and pasteurization second.

google on

dangers homogenization milk

dangers pasteurization milk

raw milk

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Hi April,

Congrats on finding raw milk.

Kefir grains can live without cream. But you might like your kefir better

with the cream. Your kefir grains will switch to cow milk just fine. You'll

see.

Marilyn

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:10 PM, April McCart <sweetlotuscreations@...>

wrote:

> I'm so excited! I found a girl 10 minutes from me that has raw milk. I

> went and picked some up last night. This is awesome milk. Within a few

> hours of arriving home with it, that nice thick cream was already starting

> to rise to the top and the milk is a very light buttery yellow color. Lots

> of nice milk fat!! I told the girl it looked like liquid butter in the

> jar. And she is only charging $5 a gallon for it.

>

> Marilyn, those kefir grains I got from you months back are producing kefir

> with the raw goat's milk like you wouldn't believe.

>

> I do have a question or two. Since I am going to start using raw cow's

> milk

> now for kefir, will the grains adjust without any problems?

>

> All that nice cream that is rising to the top of the raw cow's milk --

> should I mix it back in for making kefir or can I skim it off to use for

> butter and ice cream? What's best for the kefir? If I need to leave the

> cream in for the kefir, I can always buy another gallon to get the cream

> from.

>

> --

> April

> The Lotus rises from the mud and dirt

> Sweet Lotus Creations

> www.sweetlotuscreations.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

With cream it is then. Thanks, Marilyn.

--

April

The Lotus rises from the mud and dirt

Sweet Lotus Creations

www.sweetlotuscreations.com

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Marilyn Kefirlady <marilynjarz@...>

wrote:

> Hi April,

>

> Congrats on finding raw milk.

>

> Kefir grains can live without cream. But you might like your kefir better

> with the cream. Your kefir grains will switch to cow milk just fine. You'll

> see.

>

> Marilyn

>

[Guest guest]

I just have to say that I'm really envious of any of you who have access to raw

milk. I've checked all the resources I can think of and have come up with a big

ZERO. I'm using store-bought milk for my kefir and it tastes great, but I'd

love to try it with raw milk. Someday...

[Guest guest]

Did you check www.realmilk.com for someone in your area?

--

April

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, <mishlnaz@...> wrote:

> I just have to say that I'm really envious of any of you who have access

> to raw milk. I've checked all the resources I can think of and have come up

> with a big ZERO. I'm using store-bought milk for my kefir and it tastes

> great, but I'd love to try it with raw milk. Someday...

>

[Guest guest]

I did, and the nearest would be to drive 100 miles each way! As much as I think

it would be worth the time and effort, I'm thinking that the of gas and

environmental costs are a bit on the high side for me. Maybe I'll just move to

the country and get my own goats and have raw goat milk - and some chickens, for

eggs, while I'm at it (as long as I'm dreaming)!

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " April McCart " <sweetlotuscreations@...>

Did you check www.realmilk.com for someone in your area?

--

April

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, <mishlnaz@...> wrote:

> I just have to say that I'm really envious of any of you who have access

> to raw milk. I've checked all the resources I can think of and have come up

> with a big ZERO. I'm using store-bought milk for my kefir and it tastes

> great, but I'd love to try it with raw milk. Someday...

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, my dream is to have about 50 acres in the middle of nowhere so I can

homestead and be self-supporting. LOL!! Yes, I have big dreams too.

In the real world, I have to find the farmers that are already doing it.

That's okay for me. I like supporting my local farmers.

--

April

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:31 PM, <mishlnaz@...> wrote:

> I did, and the nearest would be to drive 100 miles each way! As much as

> I think it would be worth the time and effort, I'm thinking that the of gas

> and environmental costs are a bit on the high side for me. Maybe I'll just

> move to the country and get my own goats and have raw goat milk - and some

> chickens, for eggs, while I'm at it (as long as I'm dreaming)!

>