Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Marilyn, If your city codes allow it, you could get a goat! Much more manageable size wise, and much healthier milk as well. I have two Nigerian Dwarf goats, who are only about knee high but one little goat is supposed to be able to produce 2 gallons or more of milk a week! I say 'supposed to' because I haven't bred my little girl yet. I bought both mine as babies so I could raise them to be friendly and healthy. If you can't have your own animal, I would start looking around where you live to see if you can find a dairy <again, you'd probably have better luck finding a willing goat dairy> that would be willing to sell you raw milk. It's illegal in a lot of states for a class A diary to sell raw milk, so you might have to find a smaller, home run dairy or even and individual who raises goats and would be willing to sell excess milk. If you can't find raw, you can at least buy pasteurized organic or all natural milk at the grocery store. We've switched to this when we don't have raw goats milk <I have a local source for raw goats milk until my little goats get milking, but it's over an hour away! Blah!>, and now I have a very hard time drinking regular store milk. I swear it tastes bad now!! Liz Raw milk Where can you get raw milk? I have been wanting to find a sorce for this for a long time. My preference woudl be to have a dairy cow myself, but since I live in town, and have no prospects for moving to the country at this time. Any Ideas, where I can find it? Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 We had raw goat's milk for awhile. I was skeptical until I saw my children drink it with no complaints. My dh drank it and he abhors milk. So I tasted...yummy! But that goat was dried up and we tried goat's milk from the grocery store...yucky. So now we drink the organic milk. Must be something in the pasteurizing/homogenizing process... Laurie>Oh If you can't find raw, you can at least buy pasteurized organic or all natural milk at the grocery store. We've switched to this when we don't have raw goats milk <and now I have a very hard time drinking regular store milk. I swear it tastes bad now!! Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 notmilk.com doesn't have anything good to say about goats milk because...it's not intended for human consumption. Just as cow milk is not intended for human consumption. There are other alternatives: almond milk (you can make yourself) and rice milk you can buy at any health food store. Soy milk stay away from because it's riddled with aluminum. Also, any soy products (the soy beans are highly contaminated with pesticides. Even if the soy says " organic " , it's hard to find soy that's not been gentically engineered for growing. Genetically engineered IS BAD NEWS. Our bodies are not made to consume and use such things. Soy is becoming more and more genetically engineered in order to meet the growing demands for soy products. The only " safe organic soy " is fermented soy. One being miso, which is like a paste that you can disolve in some water and put in your food, when cooking, for flavor. The other is soy sauce. -------Kimberley Medlin--------- ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to be in stores, you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only milk to drink. At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or >I wouldn't be here right now. > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm >sure > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just >in > > case.>> > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, >it's > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born >6/28/97; > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 even in the raw form? and Kimberley Medlin <medlins@...> wrote:notmilk.com doesn't have anything good to say about goats milk because...it's not intended for human consumption. Just as cow milk is not intended for human consumption. There are other alternatives: almond milk (you can make yourself) and rice milk you can buy at any health food store. Soy milk stay away from because it's riddled with aluminum. Also, any soy products (the soy beans are highly contaminated with pesticides. Even if the soy says " organic " , it's hard to find soy that's not been gentically engineered for growing. Genetically engineered IS BAD NEWS. Our bodies are not made to consume and use such things. Soy is becoming more and more genetically engineered in order to meet the growing demands for soy products. The only " safe organic soy " is fermented soy. One being miso, which is like a paste that you can disolve in some water and put in your food, when cooking, for flavor. The other is soy sauce. -------Kimberley Medlin--------- ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to be in stores, you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only milk to drink. At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or >I wouldn't be here right now. > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm >sure > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just >in > > case.>> > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, >it's > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born >6/28/97; > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Even in raw form....Folks, milk contains white blood cells. You are essentially drinking foreign DNA in the form of white blood cells. Cow milk has proteins BAD for the gut...etc. The cow's raw milk proteins are intended for the COW. Human antibodies are what's intended for the human baby...not cow white blood cells!!! Yogurt....you're eating essentially " jellied " white blood cells. YUCK. Keep that nasty cow product out of your guts. Just as people need to rid themselves of the made up theory (lie) that vaccines are safe, effective and save us from potentially fatal diseases....we also need to get out of the made up theory that cow milk " does a body good. " People tell me they drink organic milk...this falls under the same category is raw milk. Just as the vaccine industry is about nothing but money, not health...so the diary industry is about money...NOT YOUR HEALTH. Do not be deceived. Milk is more bad than good for the human body. Milk is one of the worst nutrition practices out there. Milk does not contain the essential calcium it's claimed to contain. The calcium you should be feeding yourself and your children/family is what's on your health store shelves...and in your in dark green veggies. NOT COW. I can not stress enough how essential it is for you to take the red lights you get from websites, such as notmilk.com...and there are plenty of other places at your fingertips to find out why your human body should not be consuming milk. Please research. Especially families of vaccine damaged children. You do your child NO GOOD by giving them any dair products. You must research, learn and practice the best nutrition for you children....especially if they're already vaccine damaged. I would have to say the same about goats milk. That's intended for the goat. Not for the human body. From the goat milk you're also getting goat DNA and goat white blood cells...NASTY. Folks, where is the logic in that? Please, accept my apologies if my blount words are too blount. Just as people need to be educated on why the hideous needles should be kept away from their children, so people should learn why children no longer need a " breast milk substitute " when they are no longer of age to be nursing. -------Kimberley Medlin--------- ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to be in stores, you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only milk to drink. At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or >I wouldn't be here right now. > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm >sure > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just >in > > case.>> > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, >it's > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born >6/28/97; > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 We used raw milk before we moved to Portland for about 2.5yrs. We loved it. It was also very affordable for us and better then pasturized milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 PS.....what could possibly be so healthy in consuming, what is essentially a cup of PUSS? www.notmilk.com is one big red light one should thoroughly read. There are so many red lights there....one would have to be in denial to continue consuming milk after reading their research...just as one would have be in denial after reading all the red lights about vaccines and still vaccinate their chidlren. Again, my apologies if I do come on a little too aggressive on this subject of milk. :-) I'm not trying to talk down to anyone. Kimberley Even in raw form....Folks, milk contains white blood cells. You are essentially drinking foreign DNA in the form of white blood cells. Cow milk has proteins BAD for the gut...etc. The cow's raw milk proteins are intended for the COW. Human antibodies are what's intended for the human baby...not cow white blood cells!!! Yogurt....you're eating essentially " jellied " white blood cells. YUCK. Keep that nasty cow product out of your guts. Just as people need to rid themselves of the made up theory (lie) that vaccines are safe, effective and save us from potentially fatal diseases....we also need to get out of the made up theory that cow milk " does a body good. " People tell me they drink organic milk...this falls under the same category is raw milk. Just as the vaccine industry is about nothing but money, not health...so the diary industry is about money...NOT YOUR HEALTH. Do not be deceived. Milk is more bad than good for the human body. Milk is one of the worst nutrition practices out there. Milk does not contain the essential calcium it's claimed to contain. The calcium you should be feeding yourself and your children/family is what's on your health store shelves...and in your in dark green veggies. NOT COW. I can not stress enough how essential it is for you to take the red lights you get from websites, such as notmilk.com...and there are plenty of other places at your fingertips to find out why your human body should not be consuming milk. Please research. Especially families of vaccine damaged children. You do your child NO GOOD by giving them any dair products. You must research, learn and practice the best nutrition for you children....especially if they're already vaccine damaged. I would have to say the same about goats milk. That's intended for the goat. Not for the human body. From the goat milk you're also getting goat DNA and goat white blood cells...NASTY. Folks, where is the logic in that? Please, accept my apologies if my blount words are too blount. Just as people need to be educated on why the hideous needles should be kept away from their children, so people should learn why children no longer need a " breast milk substitute " when they are no longer of age to be nursing. -------Kimberley Medlin--------- ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to be in stores, you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only milk to drink. At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or >I wouldn't be here right now. > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm >sure > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just >in > > case.>> > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, >it's > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born >6/28/97; > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Our family drinks raw milk! It is wonderful. Started drinking raw milk a few months ago, ran out one day, used pasteurized/homogenized and became ill for almost a day and my sinus trouble returned. Now if I run out, won't touch the store bought. Some nutritionists recommend raw milk for ASD children and are reporting improvements! Pasteurized/homogenized milk is rotten milk! Lynda >At 11:11 AM 03/05/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >>What about the bacteria and other disease pathogens in raw milk? There is a >>reason they started pausterizing it you know. I would not drink raw milk >>personally. >> >> >> > >Raw milk hsa much higher standards than pasteurized milk >Far lower bacteria counts are allowed than pasteurized. > >And more >Sheri >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath >Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK >$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account >vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 >(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail >Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm >Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm >Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm >ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > >****** > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. >Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy >knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information >and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 I think everyone has to do what feels right to them. PUSS????? Like in cat? Milk has been drunk for thousands and thousands of years in its raw form. There is NO blanket prescription for anyone for any kind of food. Sheri At 09:46 PM 03/05/2004 -0700, you wrote: >PS.....what could possibly be so healthy in consuming, what is essentially a cup of PUSS? www.notmilk.com is one big red light one should thoroughly read. There are so many red lights there....one would have to be in denial to continue consuming milk after reading their research...just as one would have be in denial after reading all the red lights about vaccines and still vaccinate their chidlren. Again, my apologies if I do come on a little too aggressive on this subject of milk. :-) I'm not trying to talk down to anyone. >Kimberley > > Even in raw form....Folks, milk contains white blood cells. You are essentially drinking foreign DNA in the form of white blood cells. Cow milk has proteins BAD for the gut...etc. The cow's raw milk proteins are intended for the COW. Human antibodies are what's intended for the human baby...not cow white blood cells!!! Yogurt....you're eating essentially " jellied " white blood cells. YUCK. Keep that nasty cow product out of your guts. Just as people need to rid themselves of the made up theory (lie) that vaccines are safe, effective and save us from potentially fatal diseases....we also need to get out of the made up theory that cow milk " does a body good. " People tell me they drink organic milk...this falls under the same category is raw milk. Just as the vaccine industry is about nothing but money, not health...so the diary industry is about money...NOT YOUR HEALTH. Do not be deceived. Milk is more bad than good for the human body. Milk is one of the worst nutrition practices out there. Milk does not contain the essential calcium it's claimed to contain. The calcium you should be feeding yourself and your children/family is what's on your health store shelves...and in your in dark green veggies. NOT COW. I can not stress enough how essential it is for you to take the red lights you get from websites, such as notmilk.com...and there are plenty of other places at your fingertips to find out why your human body should not be consuming milk. Please research. Especially families of vaccine damaged children. You do your child NO GOOD by giving them any dair products. You must research, learn and practice the best nutrition for you children....especially if they're already vaccine damaged. > I would have to say the same about goats milk. That's intended for the goat. Not for the human body. From the goat milk you're also getting goat DNA and goat white blood cells...NASTY. Folks, where is the logic in that? Please, accept my apologies if my blount words are too blount. Just as people need to be educated on why the hideous needles should be kept away from their children, so people should learn why children no longer need a " breast milk substitute " when they are no longer of age to be nursing. > > -------Kimberley Medlin--------- > ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ > > DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ > Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) > > > If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to > be in stores, > you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only > milk to drink. > > > > > > > At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried > >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He > >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with > >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or > >I wouldn't be here right now. > > > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm > >sure > > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just > >in > > > case.>> > > > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, > >it's > > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born > >6/28/97; > > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Couldn't have said it better myself, watch for the " fur to fly " Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) > > > If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to > be in stores, > you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only > milk to drink. > > > > > > > At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried > >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He > >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with > >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or > >I wouldn't be here right now. > > > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm > >sure > > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just > >in > > > case.>> > > > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, > >it's > > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born > >6/28/97; > > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 I think everyone has to do what feels right to them. PUSS????? Like in cat? rofpip you are too funny sheri ..... i used to drink raw milk as a little girl when we visited our farming families!! I always hated coming home and drinking the stuff from the stores. mmmmmmm in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Actually it does seem you're talking down a tad lol. I just don't find the scientific research on the website you listed to be very credible. In addition if you want to be picky about it, you are ingesting somatic ( " PUSS " ) cells with every vegetable that you eat. You obviously feel quite strongly about the issue, and I hope I'm not causing offense People can also agree to disagree without a pointless debate.. Elena Re: raw milk > Well, like I said....I hope I didn't make anyone feel I was talking down to them. :-) Trust me, I don't bite. :-) If you want to find out more about the " puss " ...etc. Do further research. > > -------Kimberley Medlin--------- > ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ > > DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ > > I think everyone has to do what feels right to them. > PUSS????? Like in cat? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Well, like I said....I hope I didn't make anyone feel I was talking down to them. :-) Trust me, I don't bite. :-) If you want to find out more about the " puss " ...etc. Do further research. -------Kimberley Medlin--------- ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ I think everyone has to do what feels right to them. PUSS????? Like in cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 LOL! Are they meaning to say " pus? " (the fluid that is the result of an infection?) I never thought about it much before until I heard/read somewhere that humans are the only mammals that drink milk after the age of weaning from the mother's breast. That was a real eye opener for me! My family doesn't drink milk (a quart will end up being tossed because it doesn't get used up before it spoils!) I use a little occasionally when cooking, that's it. We do like our cheese and ice cream though. : ( Kay **************** I think everyone has to do what feels right to them. PUSS????? Like in cat? Milk has been drunk for thousands and thousands of years in its raw form. There is NO blanket prescription for anyone for any kind of food. Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Sorry :-) Here's some more websites to read and decide for yourself...for those interested: rawmilk Diseases From Raw Milk Consumption Milk is an important part of a person's diet. Unfortunately, it can also carry certain organisms that can cause severe disease in humans (1). One way to prevent ... ... Some people do not like the idea of pasteurizing their milk and feel raw milk (unpasteurized milk) is better. ... www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/rawmilk.htm Below are some diseases associated with drinking raw milk. Disease Organism Symptoms and Complications 1.Campylobacteriosis Campylobacter sp. bloody diarrhea 2. Salmonellosis Salmonella sp. bloody diarrhea 3. Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome E. coli O157:H7 diarrhea, kidney failure, death 4. Yersiniosis Yersinsia enterocolitica diarrhea 5. Listeriosis Listeria monocytogenes meningitis, blood infections 6. Tuberculosis Mycobacterium tuberculosis tuberculosis; pneumonia 7. Brucellosis Brucella sp. blood infections, heart infections 8. Cryptosporidiosis Cryptosporidium parvum diarrhea 9. Staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning Staphylococcus aureus vomiting 10. Q fever iella burnetti high fever, severe headache, muscle aches (can infect the liver and/or heart) http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/ http://www.fda.gov/fdac/reprints/breastfed.html http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fttmilk.html Unpasteurized milk and dairy products may contain harmful pathogens and are not safe to eat, drink, or use in making foods. Today, milk and other dairy products sold in interstate commerce are pasteurized (heat-processed to kill pathogenic bacteria). http://www.foodsafety.gov/~dms/fsefborn.html raw milk/ foodbourne illnesses : e-coli,Campylobacter jejuni, Salmonella (over 2300 types), Good or not? -> http://www.fda.gov/cvm/guidance/guidance68.pdf Regulation prohibits the use of certain proteins derived from mammailian tissue in feeding ruminant animals. However, certain products are exempt from regulation: milk products (milk and milk protein) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a2.htm The outbreak highlights the hazards of consuming unpasteurized milk and milk products. Four (5%) patients did not drink unpasteurized milk but were mothers of ill children who drank unpasteurized milk. Because unpasteurized milk ... http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/mi-03-4.html Please be advised that FDA and other federal and state health agencies have documented a long history of the risks to human health associated with the consumption of raw milk. Clinical and epidemiological studies from FDA, state health agencies, and others have established a direct causal link between gastrointestinal disease and the consumption of raw milk. The microbial flora of raw milk may include human pathogens present on the cow's udder and teats. Further, the intrinsic properties of milk, including its pH and nutrient content, make it an excellent media for the survival and growth of bacteria. Raw-milk Products May Contain Salmonella http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1999051810.shtml -------Kimberley Medlin--------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks for providing this list of diseases. Like I said, there is a reason that milk is pasteurized. When my husband was a boy they had a cow that they milked for awhile. He said that his mom heated the milk(to kill pathogens) prior to storage in fridge even though this milk was from their healthy, clean cow. Re: raw milk > Sorry :-) > Here's some more websites to read and decide for yourself...for those interested: > > rawmilk > Diseases From Raw Milk Consumption Milk is an important part of a person's diet. Unfortunately, it can also carry certain organisms that can cause severe disease in humans (1). One way to prevent ... ... Some people do not like the idea of pasteurizing their milk and feel raw milk (unpasteurized milk) is better. ... > www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/rawmilk.htm > > Below are some diseases associated with drinking raw milk. > > Disease Organism Symptoms and Complications > 1.Campylobacteriosis Campylobacter sp. bloody diarrhea > 2. Salmonellosis Salmonella sp. bloody diarrhea > 3. Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome E. coli O157:H7 diarrhea, kidney failure, death > 4. Yersiniosis Yersinsia enterocolitica diarrhea > 5. Listeriosis Listeria monocytogenes meningitis, blood infections > 6. Tuberculosis Mycobacterium tuberculosis tuberculosis; pneumonia > 7. Brucellosis Brucella sp. blood infections, heart infections > 8. Cryptosporidiosis Cryptosporidium parvum diarrhea > 9. Staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning Staphylococcus aureus vomiting > 10. Q fever iella burnetti high fever, severe headache, muscle aches (can infect the liver and/or heart) > > http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/ > > http://www.fda.gov/fdac/reprints/breastfed.html > > http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fttmilk.html > Unpasteurized milk and dairy products may contain harmful pathogens and are not safe to eat, drink, or use in making foods. Today, milk and other dairy products sold in interstate commerce are pasteurized (heat-processed to kill pathogenic bacteria). > > http://www.foodsafety.gov/~dms/fsefborn.html > raw milk/ foodbourne illnesses : e-coli,Campylobacter jejuni, Salmonella (over 2300 types), > Good or not? -> > > http://www.fda.gov/cvm/guidance/guidance68.pdf > > Regulation prohibits the use of certain proteins derived from mammailian tissue in feeding ruminant animals. However, certain products are exempt from regulation: milk products (milk and milk protein) > > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a2.htm > > The outbreak highlights the hazards of consuming unpasteurized milk and milk products. Four (5%) patients did not drink unpasteurized milk but were mothers of ill children who drank unpasteurized milk. Because unpasteurized milk ... > > http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/mi-03-4.html > > Please be advised that FDA and other federal and state health agencies have documented a long history of the risks to human health associated with the consumption of raw milk. Clinical and epidemiological studies from FDA, state health agencies, and others have established a direct causal link between gastrointestinal disease and the consumption of raw milk. The microbial flora of raw milk may include human pathogens present on the cow's udder and teats. Further, the intrinsic properties of milk, including its pH and nutrient content, make it an excellent media for the survival and growth of bacteria. > > Raw-milk Products May Contain Salmonella http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1999051810.shtml > > > -------Kimberley Medlin--------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Thanks Sheri. Us Raw Milk drinkers were feeling like we were being attacked. Sounds like somebody has an agenda against milk to me. Amy Waters Re: Re: Well, this ought to blow your minds... (or not) > > > If you do research on the process that cow's milk goes through in order to > be in stores, > you will never drink it again. From what I've read raw milk is the only > milk to drink. > > > > > > > At 03:06 PM 3/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Ah, don't do that!! Gee, my son couldn't eat anything at all. I tried > >soy, goats milk, anything I could find to try. Nothing ever stuck. He > >was skinny as a stick. Trying to stay away from dairy products with > >my other son, I also tried soy. As an infant I had to put on soy, or > >I wouldn't be here right now. > > > >IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<Hi , I'm sooo sorry you are going through this again. I'm > >sure > > > with all of your research you already know this!! But, posting just > >in > > > case.>> > > > > > > Thanks . I hadn't read this, doesn't surprise me. And again, > >it's > > > still my fault. Great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > > )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( > > > Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born > >6/28/97; > > > and Shayna, born 6/1/00. > > > Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at > > > <http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/> > > > http://users.adelphia.net/~tacousino/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Yes research is best. Might I suggest The Milk Book by W.C. . Amy Re: raw milk Well, like I said....I hope I didn't make anyone feel I was talking down to them. :-) Trust me, I don't bite. :-) If you want to find out more about the " puss " ...etc. Do further research. -------Kimberley Medlin--------- ChristianityandVaccinations_AZvac-lib/ DiseasesandVaccinationsDatabase/ I think everyone has to do what feels right to them. PUSS????? Like in cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 California is currently the only state that you can market raw milk in. According to a state study over the last ten years there has only been 1 case of disease (documented) in raw milk drinkers due to the milk. But, there have been hundreds in pastuerized milk drinkers. The documentation is available on the raw dairy group. Amy Re: raw milk Sorry :-) Here's some more websites to read and decide for yourself...for those interested: rawmilk Diseases From Raw Milk Consumption Milk is an important part of a person's diet. Unfortunately, it can also carry certain organisms that can cause severe disease in humans (1). One way to prevent ... ... Some people do not like the idea of pasteurizing their milk and feel raw milk (unpasteurized milk) is better. ... www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/rawmilk.htm Below are some diseases associated with drinking raw milk. Disease Organism Symptoms and Complications 1.Campylobacteriosis Campylobacter sp. bloody diarrhea 2. Salmonellosis Salmonella sp. bloody diarrhea 3. Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome E. coli O157:H7 diarrhea, kidney failure, death 4. Yersiniosis Yersinsia enterocolitica diarrhea 5. Listeriosis Listeria monocytogenes meningitis, blood infections 6. Tuberculosis Mycobacterium tuberculosis tuberculosis; pneumonia 7. Brucellosis Brucella sp. blood infections, heart infections 8. Cryptosporidiosis Cryptosporidium parvum diarrhea 9. Staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning Staphylococcus aureus vomiting 10. Q fever iella burnetti high fever, severe headache, muscle aches (can infect the liver and/or heart) http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/ http://www.fda.gov/fdac/reprints/breastfed.html http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fttmilk.html Unpasteurized milk and dairy products may contain harmful pathogens and are not safe to eat, drink, or use in making foods. Today, milk and other dairy products sold in interstate commerce are pasteurized (heat-processed to kill pathogenic bacteria). http://www.foodsafety.gov/~dms/fsefborn.html raw milk/ foodbourne illnesses : e-coli,Campylobacter jejuni, Salmonella (over 2300 types), Good or not? -> http://www.fda.gov/cvm/guidance/guidance68.pdf Regulation prohibits the use of certain proteins derived from mammailian tissue in feeding ruminant animals. However, certain products are exempt from regulation: milk products (milk and milk protein) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a2.htm The outbreak highlights the hazards of consuming unpasteurized milk and milk products. Four (5%) patients did not drink unpasteurized milk but were mothers of ill children who drank unpasteurized milk. Because unpasteurized milk ... http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/mi-03-4.html Please be advised that FDA and other federal and state health agencies have documented a long history of the risks to human health associated with the consumption of raw milk. Clinical and epidemiological studies from FDA, state health agencies, and others have established a direct causal link between gastrointestinal disease and the consumption of raw milk. The microbial flora of raw milk may include human pathogens present on the cow's udder and teats. Further, the intrinsic properties of milk, including its pH and nutrient content, make it an excellent media for the survival and growth of bacteria. Raw-milk Products May Contain Salmonella http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1999051810.shtml -------Kimberley Medlin--------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Yikes. Unavailable or illegal? I hope not. Does anyone know if this is true of other states too, like Kentucky or Indiana? My husband and I are finally fed up with the San Francisco Bay Area and will be moving back to the Midwest early in 2006. I know Whole Foods has locations in the Midwest and I was assuming (naively I guess) that they would stock Organic Pastures products, since the California (or at least San Francisco) locations do. Someone please tell me I won't have to pay a $21 shipping charge for milk! We are going through five to six gallons of this stuff a week, right now. Marc, seriously, have you filled out one of those customer service request forms at Whole Foods, asking them to stock this product? ~ Cara > Well, at least you have a local store that you can buy this from. > It seems to be unavailable (or possibly illegal) in Washington > state. > > As for drop-shipments, they told me that the shipping cost of > 2 gallons of milk was $23 (as opposed to $21 for 1 gallon), and > that in the freezer the milk would last 3 months. > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Cara wrote: > Yikes. Unavailable or illegal? I hope not. Does anyone know if this is true of other states > too, like Kentucky or Indiana? On the Organic Pastures website, it states that their products are only available in California, Oregon, and New Mexico:. http://www.organicpastures.com/stores/ Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Yes, but I guess I assumed that referred to current availability -- possibly based on demand. Not that the products are actually illegal to distribute in states other than these three. Maybe wishful thinking on my part? I'm still hoping I'll be able to talk the Louisville, KY Whole Foods location into stocking the Organic Pastures... ~ Cara > > Yikes. Unavailable or illegal? I hope not. Does anyone know if this is true of other states > > too, like Kentucky or Indiana? > > On the Organic Pastures website, it states that their products > are only available in California, Oregon, and New Mexico:. > > http://www.organicpastures.com/stores/ > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Yeah, Barbara, I intend to keep buying the raw milk, now that I know how yummy it is. My coffee tastes so much better with it. I think it kind of helps to mellow out the bitter taste coffee has. And I used to not like using regular milk in my coffee. I've always used cream. But since raw milk still has its cream in it, it makes sense. And the cream I was using " half and half, " which is half cream and half milk, anyway. So if natural milk already has cream in it, then why do they even need to make " half and half? " It's kind of like the question I have thought of about coconut oil. VCO is already a solid. But the hydrogenation process was created to make vegetable seed oils " solid. " So why bother trying to make seed oils solid, when you ALREADY have an oil that is ALREADY solid? Doesn't make sense to me. And they say God works in mysterious ways..... Cryss > > Cryss, I hope you will continue buying the raw milk for it's health giving properties. Raw milk is such a complete food that there are people who live on it alone all their lives. There is a man in Iowa who as a two year old toddler drunk something caustic and damaged his digestive system so much that he is not able to eat anything solid. He is now in his 50s and doing just great on raw milk. > > And to let you know what that pasteurized and homogenized milk from the store can do to your health, here is a link. > > Barbara > > http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/homogenization.html > > > > > Oh, and speaking of great.... We also just bought our first jug of > genuine RAW milk, last night, and all I can say is: " YUM! " And > when I added it to my coffee this morning, it gave it a really good > flavor. > > Cryss > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Cryss, the amount of butter fat in the milk depends to some extend on the breed of cow and how much milk are they forced to produce by monthly shots of synthetic growth hormones. Holsteins are the breed of choice of huge milk factories because they can be pushed to the max so they only live 4 to 5 years. Their milk is only 3% butter fat. At the other end of the scale are Jerseys that produce less milk but their butter fat is as high as 7%, or can even be higher, depends on th eindividual cow and her genetics. I bet when you buy raw milk it will be a Jersey milk. That's why you like it in your coffee Coconut oil is solid below 76° but will go liquid above 76°. Barbara Yeah, Barbara, I intend to keep buying the raw milk, now that I know how yummy it is. My coffee tastes so much better with it. I think it kind of helps to mellow out the bitter taste coffee has. And I used to not like using regular milk in my coffee. I've always used cream. But since raw milk still has its cream in it, it makes sense. And the cream I was using " half and half, " which is half cream and half milk, anyway. So if natural milk already has cream in it, then why do they even need to make " half and half? " It's kind of like the question I have thought of about coconut oil. VCO is already a solid. But the hydrogenation process was created to make vegetable seed oils " solid. " So why bother trying to make seed oils solid, when you ALREADY have an oil that is ALREADY solid? Doesn't make sense to me. And they say God works in mysterious ways..... Cryss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Yeah, Barbara, the raw milk from Organic Pastures, which is the brand I bought, comes from Jersey cows. I know Holsteins are the ones most dairies use. And I read about the fact that they don't live as long because of the growth hormone. It sort-of " burns them out. " I'd love to go visit Organic Pastures' dairy, sometime, since they're right down there in Fresno, only 3 hours from Sacramento. My mother grew up down there, so we know the area real well. It's almost like a second or third " home town. " We went there a lot when I was a kid--still do. And one the coolest things about Organic Pastures, is that they have actual names for all of their cows! I think that is so neat. That right there says they care more about their cows than regular dairies. And the guy who runs it is real knowledgeable and cares passionately about the benefits of raw milk. It was $8 for the half-gallon, but it is so worth it. That's a better " investment " than the lottery--or the stock market, the way it's been, lately. I heard on a recent news report, that Organic Pastures can hardly keep up with the demand for their raw milk. It's becoming that popular, which is great to hear. Oh, and I'm glad VCO melts at only 76 degrees. That makes it perfect for use in coffee. And my coffee- " holic " husband likes the taste, too. And the raw milk, too. Cryss > > Cryss, the amount of butter fat in the milk depends to some extend on the breed of cow and how much milk are they forced to produce by monthly shots of synthetic growth hormones. Holsteins are the breed of choice of huge milk factories because they can be pushed to the max so they only live 4 to 5 years. Their milk is only 3% butter fat. > > At the other end of the scale are Jerseys that produce less milk but their butter fat is as high as 7%, or can even be higher, depends on th eindividual cow and her genetics. I bet when you buy raw milk it will be a Jersey milk. That's why you like it in your coffee > > Coconut oil is solid below 76° but will go liquid above 76°. > > Barbara > > > > > > Yeah, Barbara, I intend to keep buying the raw milk, now that I know > how yummy it is. My coffee tastes so much better with it. I think > it kind of helps to mellow out the bitter taste coffee has. And I > used to not like using regular milk in my coffee. I've always used > cream. But since raw milk still has its cream in it, it makes > sense. And the cream I was using " half and half, " which is half > cream and half milk, anyway. So if natural milk already has cream > in it, then why do they even need to make " half and half? " > > It's kind of like the question I have thought of about coconut oil. > VCO is already a solid. But the hydrogenation process was created > to make vegetable seed oils " solid. " So why bother trying to make > seed oils solid, when you ALREADY have an oil that is ALREADY > solid? Doesn't make sense to me. > > And they say God works in mysterious ways..... > > Cryss > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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