Re: Smoking ?

[Guest guest]

I agree, I mean this is not right.  I am a smoker and it is killing

me...constantly hacking up brown goo and I don't have the lung capacity that I

should have.  I don't understand how any one can say it isn't bad for you.

 

I think if you have a super strong immune system and you inhale a few cigs it is

not a big deal but it is not good for you in any way.

Marijuanna on the other hand is a different story.  I think that weed is a

super food that cures cancer and pretty much anything else you have wrong with

you.

Everything in moderation....

If a person smokes one joint per day, its good.  If you smoke an ounce per day

not so good.

Same with cigs and everything else...moderation is important.

BPW

[Guest guest]

>

> Hei Bee,

>

> please go to Wikipedia and check the structures. or show me ANY proof of the

wild theory that nicotin is Vitamin B3. Otherwise I really loose my trust in all

facts you present. And please no " anagram theory " , I mean something which proofs

your thesis, as obviously there has to be something, right?

>

> BR Tini

>

@@ Snip

@@ Hi Tini,

Hopefully, you read my last response to Bee, on this issue of " Smoking " .

/message/90820

Particularly , in referencing " Wikipedia " as your information source. Its not

very credible since anyone can post and edit Wikipedia's information. See this

below if you missed it.

The Great Lie of Wikipedia: " the....encyclopedia that anyone can edit. "

http://whale.to/a/wikipedia.html

Tini try not to get to annoyed. Its just a viewpoint. I do appreciate your

passion on the issue.

However, Bee's information overall, is credible and proven successful when

properly applied. Why short change yourself or lose out over a viewpoint. After

all she is not telling or recommending people go out and smoke.

There will be times where people agree to disagree and that is OK.

Have a great weekend, Tini.

Ed

[Guest guest]

Tini - I am including some information from the New World Encyclopedia:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Niacin

This has good information on nicotine and niacin - which appears to be

consistent with other websites I have seen.

It appears that niacin (nicotinic acid) as a supplement was first

discovered/produced from the oxidation of nicotine - when nicotine was oxidised

it produced niacin.

It is my impression that with this process the nicotine was chemically changed

to niacin, therefore, while nicotine may be considered " the main building block "

for niacin it is not the same due to the oxidation process - the molecular

structors are different (as Ed has pointed out). But this appears to apply to

the supplement.

The following is from another website:

http://encyclopedia.smokersclub.com/16.html

" The secret to how plants store nicotine, without the nicotine killing them, is

that they combine it with other things to make more stable compounds. The common

forms of nicotine stored in plants are nicotine citrate, nicotine malate,

nicotine sulfate, nicotine oxide (cotinine), and nicotinic acid (vitamin B3,

niacin). Like table salt, these compounds formed from nicotine are stable, are

not poisonous, are not addictive drugs, and are essential to good human health

and nutrition.

The tobacco plant stores its nicotine as a mixture of nicotine citrate and

nicotine malate. The tobacco plant happens to produce a lot off nicotine because

it grows quickly. Corn and hemp (marijuana) also produce and store nicotine at

roughly the same rate as tobacco, because they also can grow six to ten feet in

one season. "

So - when you read this article - it appears that the niacin is actually in the

tobacco plant and the plant changes the nicotine to niacin - though this isn't

really explained and I don't know if it is true. Though if it is - I am not

sure of how much niacin is in there to be beneficial and that it would out weigh

any negative impact of smoking - versus taking a niacin supplement (nicotine

chemically changed to make the niacin).

I have also read on other websites that nicotinic acid (niacin) occurs naturally

in plants (supports Bee's position).

Just some additional thoughts.

> >

> > Sorry Ed, but nicotine and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want

you to know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to

confuse everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

> >

> > Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself

contain a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

> >

> > This is how " they " get control over us in many areas, not just about tobacco

and smoking, so they can remove more and more of our freedom, and add more and

more laws to control us!

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tini.

Nicotine is oxidised nicotinic acid, otherwise known as Niacin.

If you put 'niacin' and 'Nicotine' into Google, a host of stuff comes up to

explain it, but here is one - http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-niacin.htm

Doesn't mean that you should smoke instead of taking the B vitamins though! The

tar is toxic to the lungs and body. Those who manage to 'get away' with smoking

until they are 105 are the exception to the rule, and I can only assume they

must have a much better detox system than the rest of us!

Ali.

> >

> > Sorry Ed, but nicotine and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want

you to know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to

confuse everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

> >

> > Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself

contain a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

> >

> > This is how " they " get control over us in many areas, not just about tobacco

and smoking, so they can remove more and more of our freedom, and add more and

more laws to control us!

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tini,

" Nicotine can be oxidised to nicotinic acid (niacin) which is present in minute

amounts in all living cells. The corresponding amide, niacinamide, is an

essential B vitamin. "

Tini I had not heard of this before either, but nothing and I mean nothing

surprises me anymore. I looked it up and found the above quote on a pretty

reputable web site,. Google it for yourself. I just love the internet.

> >

> > Sorry Ed, but nicotine and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want

you to know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to

confuse everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

> >

> > Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself

contain a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

> >

> > This is how " they " get control over us in many areas, not just about tobacco

and smoking, so they can remove more and more of our freedom, and add more and

more laws to control us!

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ed wrote:

>>Ever see someone quit smoking or quit? Ever notice how their appetite

increases? Notice how the cravings for carbohydrates goes way up?

Therefore, it makes sense to get the " Carb addiction " under control first.

Why? Well, smoking may be connected to lung problems, however " Sugar " is

connected to a plethora of diseases throughout the body. Including Cancers,

Multiple sclerosis, Arthritis, Osteoporosis, Alzheimer's disease ... etc.<<

Ah, Ed... This brings to mind the man I get my eggs from. He told me about

the 30# he gained when he quit smoking and now he is a diabetic. It just

breaks my heart. But he is not 'internet savvy' and I just don't know how

to approach this 'old dog' with 'new tricks'.

I KNOW Bee's pgm could help him, tho.....

, began 03/09/10

[Guest guest]

Hei Ed,

Wikipedia is just fast and easy to access, thats why I referred to them, I

assume not everyone has some chemistry books at home:) I am aware of the false

info in that database as it is open to everyone to write an article...anyway, I

have a Masters degree in Chemistry and do my PhD in Biochemistry and I have

handled both substances, so I know for a quick comparison of those structures

its ok.

I do understand that people disagree, but as this program relies on

self-education of the participants I would still like to get the references

which proof that it is the same. And sorry, as I was so euphoric about my

progress so far I got a bit too excited obviously, thats why I still hope we

solve this issue...I still simply think this false info talks the danger of

smoking smaller, which is not accordable with my view on an educational program

for health improvement.

A great weekend to all of you,

Tini

[Guest guest]

Hei , phylis(?) and Ali,

thanks for looking it up, I never doubted the fact that niacin is in plants or

that they are related via a pathway, I just say they arent the same. Oxidisation

changes the propertys of a molecule quite a lot (vinegar e.g. is oxidized

ethanol = alcohol) and those differences make a difference in the way substances

react in the body.

But I assume whether nicotine is good or bad for the human body everyone has to

look up for him- or herself now

All the best,

Tini

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The problem is( per one link I sent), the plant has nicotine(a poison) to keep

animals from eating it. There are plenty of poisonous plants, that cannot be

eaten. If a plant tastes bitter, there are alkaloids and other such substances.

Opium is one example, and it is addictive. Too much will even kill you. Is all

that false information? If I was starving, I would not just go out and eat any

green plant I found. Tobacco plants may not be unique, but they are still toxic.

You even soak almonds to get rid of substances that can harm us. I don't think

anyone's body is perfect enough to rid itself of all toxins, all the time, and

smoking puts out smoke and toxins other people have to breath in-maybe they are

not as healthy as Bee and others. I recommend this group and Bee's site to many

people, and other , so I will not give up on it because of this.

C.

> >

> > Hei Ed,

> >

> >

> > > @@ Hi Bee, Tini, and Susie,

> > >

> > > Just thought I'd chime in and mention my grandfather smoked until he was

90 and died @ 94 and my great grandfather smoked a pipe all his life and lived

in good health till 105 yrs old. As one can see, smoking did not slow these

guys down ;-]

> >

> > There are examples, my granny was also told to have good lung function until

she developed cancer close to the end, and she used to be our example, as all my

family was smoking...I just think it doesnt proof much, as my grandaunt is 91,

swims every day and dances still and eats tons of cake, even though she has

diabetes type 2;)

> >

> > I just think it is wrong to tell someone who asks if it ok to smoke or

whether smoke contains toxins that cigarettes contain niacin which is good for

the body...especially when it is wrong. I cant surely say that it is better than

sugar, I just know that both are addictive and destructive and wanted to make

that clear, as the question was if its ok to smoke (from axel). I mean were not

supposed to BBQ our meat because of toxins in the charcoal, so it was totally

ununderstandable, thats all.

> >

> > Anyway, have a nice day!

> >

> > Tini

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ed,

I shouldn't have used only the word " nicotine " since that is different than

nicotinic acid (niacin).

Here's a correction to what I wrote:

.. . . nicotinic acid and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want you to

know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to confuse

everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself contain

a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Tini,

I used the wrong word in my message below. I should have typed " nicotinic acid "

instead of nicotine, so here's the corrected version:

.. . . nicotinic acid and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want you to

know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to confuse

everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself contain

a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The points I'm making are mainly:

1) Smoke from tobacco only contains cotinine which I clarified earlier, and

which is tested in urine to screen people for smoking, yet they are becoming

concerned their tests are skewed because of people getting niacin from foods and

by taking niacin supplements. Doesn't that say a lot?

2) Nicotinic acid in tobacco is the same kind of substance found in other green

plants, meats and eggs, which is niacin (vitamin B3).

3) That by believing all of the propaganda about how damaging smoking tobacco

IS, and also other lies and deceptions, we allow ourselves to be sucked into

giving up our freedoms, and allow drug, medical, food and other industries,

including governments to pass more and more laws that take more and more control

over us and dictate to us what we can and cannot do. We even pay for

governments to support and pay drug companies for their deception marketing

campaigns, programs and their smoking cessation products.

" They " have this God attitude that " they " know better than " we the people " as to

what is good for us and will even lie, deceive and commit corruption to convince

us otherwise. Don't buy into it my friend!

By the way, Dr. Mercola says that 1 french fry is much worse to have than 1

cigarette:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/02/28/does-mcdonalds-hav\

e-any-other-health-harming-secrets-they-need-to-share.aspx

" From a health standpoint, all the chemicals contained in a single French fry

may be more harmful to you than smoking a cigarette, which is why fries made my

list of the five worst foods you could possibly eat. "

Here's his article " Finally, Proof for My Assertion That Sugar is More Dangerous

Than Cigarettes "

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/06/16/sugar-part-one.asp\

x

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi all

to your discussion I think smoking is not health anyway

I just ask for it and I got answer - it is better than smoking but it is not

health

And by the way will I smoke now? No. I can't. Even If someone tell me it is not

so bad I smoked yesterday with friend and I must say my symptoms were worse and

I have too much larger cravings than before

So I will not smoke in future at all - it is worse = smoking + eating sugar is

the worst.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bee,

I was wondering, what five worst foods are on your list? Thanks! Judy

________________________________

From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 9:44:44 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Smoking ?

Hi ,

The points I'm making are mainly:

1) Smoke from tobacco only contains cotinine which I clarified earlier, and

which is tested in urine to screen people for smoking, yet they are becoming

concerned their tests are skewed because of people getting niacin from foods and

by taking niacin supplements. Doesn't that say a lot?

2) Nicotinic acid in tobacco is the same kind of substance found in other green

plants, meats and eggs, which is niacin (vitamin B3).

3) That by believing all of the propaganda about how damaging smoking tobacco

IS, and also other lies and deceptions, we allow ourselves to be sucked into

giving up our freedoms, and allow drug, medical, food and other industries,

including governments to pass more and more laws that take more and more control

over us and dictate to us what we can and cannot do. We even pay for

governments to support and pay drug companies for their deception marketing

campaigns, programs and their smoking cessation products.

" They " have this God attitude that " they " know better than " we the people " as to

what is good for us and will even lie, deceive and commit corruption to convince

us otherwise. Don't buy into it my friend!

By the way, Dr. Mercola says that 1 french fry is much worse to have than 1

cigarette:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/02/28/does-mcdonalds-hav\

e-any-other-health-harming-secrets-they-need-to-share.aspx

" From a health standpoint, all the chemicals contained in a single French fry

may be more harmful to you than smoking a cigarette, which is why fries made my

list of the five worst foods you could possibly eat. "

Here's his article " Finally, Proof for My Assertion That Sugar is More Dangerous

Than Cigarettes "

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/06/16/sugar-part-one.asp\

x

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

" ....smoking + eating sugar is the worst. " --polstar 0907

..........

I've heard some cigarettes CONTAIN SUGAR! Can anyone verify that?

--Ken

........................................................

>

> Hi all

>

>

> to your discussion I think smoking is not health anyway

>

> I just ask for it and I got answer - it is better than smoking but it

is not health

>

> And by the way will I smoke now? No. I can't. Even If someone tell me

it is not so bad I smoked yesterday with friend and I must say my

symptoms were worse and I have too much larger cravings than before

>

> So I will not smoke in future at all - it is worse = smoking + eating

sugar is the worst.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. WC s II on NEW STATE LAWS in Massachusetts:

..............

Tobacco attack in Massachusetts

They're baking more than beans in Boston -- Massachusetts officials are

roasting common sense and decency, too.

The state is getting ready to force stores that sell cigarettes to put

up disgusting photos that show the alleged damages of smoking. Whether

you smoke or not, you're going to have to stare at these awful state

propaganda posters -- the new law says they'll have to go right next to

the cash registers at some 9,000 convenience stores, pharmacies, gas

stations and anyplace else with the nerve to sell tobacco products.

Shopkeepers who refuse to deface their businesses with oversized images

of rotting teeth and black lungs will face hundreds of dollars in

fines.

The only hangup right now, ironically, is more political correctness:

Officials are trying to figure out how many languages the signs should

be in. By the time they're done, these things will be a mile long, and

stores will have to use them as wallpaper.

Even if you don't live in Massachusetts, you should care -- because

you're paying for this bird-brained scheme. The program is being funded

by $316,000 in federal stimulus money. That means some well-connected

poster-maker is getting ready to print his ticket into the good life.

The rest of us won't be nearly as stimulated, especially if this

catches on. Regardless of how you feel about smoking, there are plenty

of industries out there that COULD get this kind of treatment someday.

Today, it's cigarettes. Tomorrow, some public health dummy may decide

he doesn't like drinking, sex, bingo night or stinky cheese -- and

you'll be forced to deal with whatever rules and obstacles he puts in

your way.

If this was purely about showing people the true health ravages of

their lifestyle choices, then your local fast food dive would be adorned

with pictures of bloated, obese corpses.

But they wouldn't dare try that.

In America, it's OK to go after smokers. But don't your dare touch

somebody's Big Mac!

A poster child for common sense,

s II, M.D.

.....................................................................

>

> Hi all

>

>

> to your discussion I think smoking is not health anyway

>

> I just ask for it and I got answer - it is better than smoking but it

is not health

>

> And by the way will I smoke now? No. I can't. Even If someone tell me

it is not so bad I smoked yesterday with friend and I must say my

symptoms were worse and I have too much larger cravings than before

>

> So I will not smoke in future at all - it is worse = smoking + eating

sugar is the worst.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

Here is one link. Perhaps some others can chime in with more.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112712941/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

C.

>

>

> " ....smoking + eating sugar is the worst. " --polstar 0907

> .........

>

> I've heard some cigarettes CONTAIN SUGAR! Can anyone verify that?

>

> --Ken

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I found some more-all related to the sugar content of cigarettes, and how sugar

makes them even more damaging.

http://www.ciggyfree.com/cigblog/2007/07/24/nicotine-rush-hinges-on-sugar-in-neu\

rons/

http://www.ciggyfree.com/cigblog/2009/12/28/nicotine-sugar-urea-arsenic/

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/pitt/ag/tobacco/tobterms.html

http://tobaccocollector.tripod.com/home/id8.html

http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-12-tobacco-products/12-1-tobacco-in\

-australian-cigarettes

http://tobaccodocuments.org/product_design/510697389-7410.html

http://www3.telus.net/public/fisherr/rjshealth.tem/smoking.htm

http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/finepoint/archive/2010/01/26/what-s-in-a\

-smoke-finally-the-fda-goes-after-the-content-of-cigarettes.aspx

C.

> >

> >

> > " ....smoking + eating sugar is the worst. " --polstar 0907

> > .........

> >

> > I've heard some cigarettes CONTAIN SUGAR! Can anyone verify that?

> >

> > --Ken

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Ken,

In the United States, tobacco for cigarettes is usually cured with sugar.

Evidence suggests this is a link between many illnesses, such as cancer, often

associated with cigarettes: see the book The Sugar Blues, by Dufty.

Best,

andra, a group moderator

I've heard some cigarettes CONTAIN SUGAR! Can anyone verify that?

--Ken

[Guest guest]

Hello Axel,

Most cigarette tobacco is cured with sugar, so if you smoke and eat sugar you

are smoking sugar too, in a way

Plus there are other nasty things they put in cigarettes, tobacco aside, that I

wouldn't be comfortable recommending smoking them to anyone.

Best,

andra, a group moderator

Hi all

to your discussion I think smoking is not health anyway

I just ask for it and I got answer - it is better than smoking but it is not

health

And by the way will I smoke now? No. I can't. Even If someone tell me it is not

so bad I smoked yesterday with friend and I must say my symptoms were worse and

I have too much larger cravings than before

So I will not smoke in future at all - it is worse = smoking + eating sugar is

the worst.

[Guest guest]

Hi, some time ago someone mentioned additives free cigarettes in a post, since

then I only smoke that, knowing all the nasty stuff they put in regular

cigarettes I guess it's way better.

Adri.

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Bee,

I was wondering, what five worst foods are on your list?

Thanks! Judy

+++Hi Judy,

I don't have only five worst foods - here's my list:

-Processed foods, fake foods and food products, particularly white flour,

unrefined sugars, etc. and foods that contain chemicals.

-Irradiated and microwaved foods.

-Pasteurized foods and foods that are processed using high heat.

-Genetically modified foods.

-Sugar and all forms of it, including a high consumption of fruits, honey,

molasses, substitute, and fake sugars, etc.

-Man-made unnatural vegetable oils and fats, except extra virgin olive oil, and

all products containing them.

-Soy and soybean-based foods, supplements and products.

-Table salt.

-Grains, nuts, seeds and legumes that have not been properly prepared, and

including all products containing them.

-High carbohydrate diets, including vegan, vegetarian and all other all carb

diets.

-Diets that do not contain adequate amounts of protein from meats and eggs and

that are low in natural animal fats.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi andra,

Yes, both my wife and I read " The Sugar Blues " many years ago. (Come to

think of it, I think that is where I first heard of sugar in

cigarettes.) At one time, I think we had at least 2 or 3 copies of this

book in our house! Unfortunately, the book made a greater impression

upon me, than upon her. Recently she died in her sleep after smoking for

about 60 years, a lifetime of junk food, and a disdain for exercising.

Considering her lifestyle, I guess she did pretty good to reach 75!

Thanks for your reply.

--Ken

..............

>

> I've heard some cigarettes CONTAIN SUGAR! Can anyone verify that?

>

> --Ken

>

[Guest guest]

Ken,

Please accept my condolences on your loss. I hope very much it was a peaceful

passing. All my best to you,

andra, a group moderator

Hi andra,

Yes, both my wife and I read " The Sugar Blues " many years ago. (Come to

think of it, I think that is where I first heard of sugar in

cigarettes.) At one time, I think we had at least 2 or 3 copies of this

book in our house! Unfortunately, the book made a greater impression

upon me, than upon her. Recently she died in her sleep after smoking for

about 60 years, a lifetime of junk food, and a disdain for exercising.

Considering her lifestyle, I guess she did pretty good to reach 75!

Thanks for your reply.

--Ken