Re: Smoking ?

[Guest guest]

I have seen some research that indicates cancer cells are anaerobic, and can

be exacerbated by reducing the amount of oxygen in the body. Smoking is one

of the prime causes of less oxygen in the blood and cells.

I'm not sure about the cancer aspect, but it is a fact that smoking reduces

the amount of oxygen available in the body. It could only worsen your health

from that aspect.

Zack

moderator

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:28 AM, polstar0907 <axel543210@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi all

>

> cigarrets smoke contains toxins ? I read something here about it but I am

> still not sure.

>

> I though smoking is better than eating sugar .. So what do you think?

>

> Axel

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hei Axel,

here is the list of the stuff they put in cigarettes, so decide yourself

http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm

As a chemist I can tell you that I would touch most of the stuff even when

bottled just with gloves ...

BR Tini

[Guest guest]

>

> Hei Axel,

>

> here is the list of the stuff they put in cigarettes, so decide yourself

>

> http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm

>

> As a chemist I can tell you that I would touch most of the stuff even when

bottled just with gloves ...

>

> BR Tini

>

It's not just about If I want or don't want smoke. I think If I can't eat

something sweet so I can replace sugar or whatever to cigarette smoke.

But in your link is written cigarette contains toxins, so can't to do it....This

is very frustration. I stopped with smoking when I was sick by stomach because

of Candida.

[Guest guest]

If you search 'cigarettes' in the msg search engine, Bee has mentioned what to

do about them a bit.

Natalia

Sent via BlackBerry®

[ ] Re: Smoking ?

>

> Hei Axel,

>

> here is the list of the stuff they put in cigarettes, so decide yourself

>

> http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm

>

> As a chemist I can tell you that I would touch most of the stuff even when

bottled just with gloves ...

>

> BR Tini

>

It's not just about If I want or don't want smoke. I think If I can't eat

something sweet so I can replace sugar or whatever to cigarette smoke.

But in your link is written cigarette contains toxins, so can't to do it....This

is very frustration. I stopped with smoking when I was sick by stomach because

of Candida.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tini:

Thanks for the smoking link. A year or so ago I heard that today's beer was

full of chemicals too. Anyone got any links that would confirm that its not

such a natural drink anymore?

Thanks,

   

     

 

   

 

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all

>

> cigarrets smoke contains toxins ? I read something here about it but I am

still not sure.

>

> I though smoking is better than eating sugar .. So what do you think?

>

+++Hi Axel,

There is so much false information about cigarettes and smoking, just like there

is about health and many other issues.

First of all, it doesn't make sense cigarette companies would purposely add the

long list of chemicals " they claim " are in them, since the cost would be

tremendous.

Second, laboratories cannot find or measure anything other than cotinine in

" actual " cigarette smoke. Oddly enough cotinine is a word that was created by

rearranging the letters of the word " nicotine " - making words like that is

called an " anagram. "

Cotinine is found in the smoke, and it is what they measure in urine in order to

determine whether a person smokes or not. Strangely enough, nicotine is

nicotinic acid, which is actually niacin, or vitamin B3. Even now the medical

field is concerned that people who take niacin (B3) or consume foods that

contain niacin will screw up their screening tests on smokers.

Third, the nicotinic acid in tobacco is high, but it is the same substance found

in all green plants, meats and eggs, which is niacin (B3). Tobacco is a green

plant and doesn't contain a different or unique substance than other green

plants or foods.

Niacin actually increases oxygen in the body and opens up the blood vessels, and

helps the body get rid of toxins - it's one of the vitamins used to increase

oxygen levels in the blood in people with cancer - go to the bottom of this

article to see the list of Respiratory Vitamins & Oxygen Therapy:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php

Statistics on lung cancer indicate 50% of people who get it smoke, while the

other 50% doesn't smoke, so smoking is not the common denominator that causes

lung cancer. If it was, there would be a 25% decrease in lung cancer when 25%

of the people stopped smoking, instead it has increased.

I believe the common cause of lung cancer and most lung problems or issues is

lack of nutrients, mainly good saturated fats, which the " powers that be " claim

is unhealthy for you. That is because while all other cell membranes must be

constructed out of 50% saturated fat in order to be healthy, lung cell membranes

require 100% saturated fat. So go figure.

Also drug companies found a hugh profit in selling smoking cessation products so

that why they started the campaign against smoking. They also did it to

increase their influence on governments to get more laws passed to benefit their

bottom line (profits). Also they are now coming out with nicotine drugs to

treat the very diseases they " claim " are caused by smoking, particularly for

heart disease.

They are coming out with nicotine drugs to treat Parkinson's Disease.

Parkinson's disease (also known as Parkinson disease or PD) is a degenerative

disorder of the central nervous system that often impairs the sufferer's motor

skills, speech, and other functions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_disease

Under Toxins in that reference they also say that mercury poisoning, some kinds

of metals, and pesticides shows increased risks for getting Parkinson's Disease

(PD). However, they say: Most replicated relationships are an increased risk of

PD in those living in rural environments and those exposed to pesticides; and a

reduced risk in smokers. <<<<Note: reduced risk in smokers ????

Nicotine (niacin) is the only known substance that prevents the build-up of Lewy

Bodies in the brain, and these are what the medical field says causes

Parkinson's Disease, some forms of dementia, etc.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewy_body

They also lack of dopamine, produced by the body itself, needs to be increased,

so they give drugs that are supposedly the precursor to dopamine. However,

smoking increases dopamine production, which is the " feel good " substance people

who smoke get addicted to. That's why nicotine drugs are coming out to treat

Parkinson's.

" Knowledge is power! " The only benefits from smoking cessation is by the drug

companies and medical field, and it also lessens freedom of people to make their

own choices, and it gets more control over governments.

Meanwhile the medicos are forcing their treatments on us with government laws,

while taking away our freedom more and more! Follow the money!

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

+++I dont doubt the facts about lung cancer or niacine that you are presenting,

but I was a smoker myself and I am a bit concerned that you answer on the

question " Do cigarettes contain toxins " with positive ingredients...what I used

to cough up in the mornings wanst healthy, and the hormonal imbalance when I

stopped the smoking surely not too...

> First of all, it doesn't make sense cigarette companies would purposely add

the long list of chemicals " they claim " are in them, since the cost would be

tremendous.

+++And the smoke does contain stuff like benzols and other heterocycles, I dont

think they lie when telling us poisonous ingredients? I think they got forced by

trials claiming that they didnt tell about the harmful ingredients, and chemists

like be actually analysed it.

>

> Second, laboratories cannot find or measure anything other than cotinine in

" actual " cigarette smoke. Oddly enough cotinine is a word that was created by

rearranging the letters of the word " nicotine " - making words like that is

called an " anagram. "

>

> Cotinine is found in the smoke, and it is what they measure in urine in order

to determine whether a person smokes or not. Strangely enough, nicotine is

nicotinic acid, which is actually niacin, or vitamin B3. Even now the medical

field is concerned that people who take niacin (B3) or consume foods that

contain niacin will screw up their screening tests on smokers.

+++Nicotine is not the same as nicotinic acid, they just contain both a

pyridine, but the structure and the chemical behaviour are different...and the

smell, as noone of us would voluntarily take the niacin tablets if it would be

the same.

>

> Third, the nicotinic acid in tobacco is high, but it is the same substance

found in all green plants, meats and eggs, which is niacin (B3). Tobacco is a

green plant and doesn't contain a different or unique substance than other green

plants or foods.

+++Cigarettes are normally not just tobaccoleaves, they are perfumed, and that

perfume is toxic as well.

It was shown in animal studies (I dont know what they were fed, but surely the

same as the control group) that each cigarette can cause up to 9 gen mutations.

I know that most people here dont believe in genes anymore, but I have seen too

many patients with inherited people to not tell this fact.

>

> They are coming out with nicotine drugs to treat Parkinson's Disease.

Parkinson's disease (also known as Parkinson disease or PD) is a degenerative

disorder of the central nervous system that often impairs the sufferer's motor

skills, speech, and other functions.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_disease

+++That is simply because nicotine is able to cross the blood-brain-barrier and

to stimulate the tissue there, it doesnt mean that it is anyhow protective

against neurodegenerative diseases. It reduces the blood flow through vessels

which lets less oxygen to the cells, and that is generally counterproductive to

overall health.

> " Knowledge is power! " The only benefits from smoking cessation is by the drug

companies and medical field, and it also lessens freedom of people to make their

own choices, and it gets more control over governments.

>

> Meanwhile the medicos are forcing their treatments on us with government laws,

while taking away our freedom more and more! Follow the money!

+++Philip /quotes/comstock/13*!pm/quotes/nls/pm (PM 44.78, -0.29,

-0.63%) /quotes/comstock/24s!e:pm (FR:PM 36.50, +0.65, +1.81%) reported

Thursday that it earned $1.7 billion, or 90 cents a share, on the period, up

from $1.48 billion, or 74 cents a share, in the same quarter of 2009.

Revenue jumped 17.3% to $15.59 billion from $13.29 billion or to $6.5 billion

from $5.6 billion net of excise taxes.

The average estimate of analysts polled by FactSet Research had been for the

company to earn 91 cents a share on revenue of $6.45 billion.

Not all what scientists say is evil, and that finally there are lots of programs

to prevent people from cigarette addiction is great. I lost my granny to lung

cancer in 2008...I dont know whether it was malnutrition or 50 years of smoking,

but in the end that doesnt matter anymore, right??

BR Tini

[Guest guest]

Hey all I don't understand english so good as I wish

Bee I thank you for exhausting answer which is independent overview but I need

simply answer to my simply question if it is possible.

So I though cigarettes are not ok in Candida diet because it contains toxins. If

I am right it is fine, of course non comfortable but I will accept it.

If cigarettes are ok (I think one cigarette time to time, for example 3 cig. for

a week) I will be quite happy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tini,

Thanks for your thoughts-very helpful. I am pasting the post I did back in Oct

2009 # 79993 giving some links about niacin and nicotine not being the same. I

lost my mother and her sister to lung cancer, and a sister to cancer. They all

smoked. We are supposed to trim messages, so I trimmed yours, but hated to do

so. Below is the post:

>

> Also nicotine in tobacco is the same nutrient as it is in every other green

plant and many foods, which is niacin (B3).

>

> Bee

>

Bee,

When hearing that, I did a lot of research on that subject. The sources I found

said niacin and nicotine were not the same. Since I got to the 10th page by

asking about the relationship between niacin and nicotine, I also came across

many studies on the dangers of nicotine itself. I am listing the links, and

posting the info in that link pertaining to the relationship between niacin and

nicotine. After reading them, you can draw your own conclusions.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/niacin/

Linus ing institute

Niacin

Niacin is a water-soluble vitamin, which is also known as nicotinic acid or

vitamin B3. Nicotinamide is the derivative of niacin and used by the body to

form the coenzymes nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and nicotinamide

adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADP). The chemical structure of the various

forms of niacin are shown in the diagram. None of the forms are related to the

nicotine found in tobacco, although their names are similar (1).

http://www.home-remedies-digest.com/niacin.html

it is also known as nicotinic acid, but is not related to nicotine in tobacco

http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niacin.html

Vitamin B-3: Niacin and Its Amide

by A. Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.

The first water soluble vitamins were numbered in sequence according to priority

of discovery. But after their chemical structure was determined they were given

scientific names. The third one to be discovered was the anti-pellagra vitamin

before it was shown to be niacin. But the use of the number B-3 did not stay in

the literature very long. It was replaced by nicotinic acid and its amide (also

known medically as niacin and its amide). The name was changed to remove the

similarity to nicotine, a poison.

Vitamin B-3 exists as the amide in nature, in nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide

(NAD). Pure nicotinamide and niacin are synthetics. Niacin was known as a

chemical for about 100 years before it was recognized to be vitamin B-3. It is

made from nicotine, a poison produced in the tobacco plant to protect itself

against its predators, but in the wonderful economy of nature which does not

waste any structures, when the nicotine is simplified by cracking open one of

the rings, it

becomes the immensely valuable vitamin B-3.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/treatmts/ebuffer/j3.html

relationship between Nicotinamide and Nicotine

Fig J-4: Structures of Nicotine and NicotinamideNicotinamide was one of the

first vitamins ever discovered. Around the same time that it was discovered,

scientists also found that nicotine, the addictive substance in tobacco

products, can be harmful to humans. One of the ways by which nicotine causes

deterimental effects in humans is that it has a similar structure to

nicotinamide and can interfere with the absorption and incorporation of the

vitamin. Figure J-4 shows the structures of nicotinamide and nicotine.

Fig J-5: Competition between Nicotine and NicotinamideNicotine competes with

nicotinamide for the binding sites in the enzymes needed for the absorption of

nicotinamide, thereby lowering the amounts of nicotinamide available to cells.

Figure J-5 shows a diagram depicting the competition between nicotinamide and

nicotine. This competition results in the depletion of NAD molecules that the

cell needs to produce energy. This is one of the reasons why smoking can worsen

the condition of people with mitochondrial dysfunction.

http://www.lowering-cholesterol-resources.com/niacin-benefits.html

Researchers have discovered many important facts about niacin benefits. Niacin

or nicotinic (no relationship to nicotine) acid is called vitamin B3 because it

was third in line of the B vitamins to be ascertained as a necessary nutrient.

http://www.brightbeginnings.com/questions-vitamins.aspx

Is niacin like nicotine? What if my baby takes too much of it?

The only relationship between niacin and nicotine is that the first two letters

in each word are the same. Your baby could not get too much niacin from his diet

or from a vitamin preparation or fortified formula if the prescribed amounts are

taken. Niacin is sometimes used to reduce high cholesterol levels in adults.

High doses can cause the skin to flush and tingle. Such a reaction would not be

caused by the levels of niacin in your milk, in infant formula, or in cow's

milk.

http://www.essortment.com/all/smokingnicotine_rnor.htm

Smoking destroys B vitamins. B12 decreases cellular damage. B3 (niacin) opens

circulation constricted by nicotine and lowers cholesterol. B5 (pantothenic

acid), especially with vitamin C, protects against stress. Take folic acid (1–2

mg. daily). Choline nourishes the brain.

http://www.1healthyworld.com/ezine/vol6no28.cfm

Niacin was the first major development in cholesterol therapy. Niacin(vitamin B

3; also called nicotinic acid. No relation to nicotine!) was shown to reduce

cholesterol and raise HDL cholesterol as early as the mid 1960's, but it was

never widely accepted because it sometimes leads to intense flushing. And of

course the PharmacoMafia could not make ridiculous profits with Niacin! Early

varieties of timed release niacin were not as efficacious at reducing the

flushing. More recently Flush-free or Non-flushing niacin has been available.

Niacor ®, a prescription form of extended release niacin, is no better than the

OTC Non-flush Niacins and Niacor has been reported to lead to a significant

incidence of liver enzyme elevations and other problems. Indeed, even if you

tolerate Niacin well, it is wise to have liver enzymes checked at 6 months and

yearly thereafter.

C.

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> +++I dont doubt the facts about lung cancer or niacine that you are

presenting, but I was a smoker myself and I am a bit concerned that you answer

on the question " Do cigarettes contain toxins " with positive ingredients...what

I used to cough up in the mornings wanst healthy, and the hormonal imbalance

when I stopped the smoking surely not too...

> BR Tini

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Axel,

Sugar causes all cells in the body to ferment, even blood cells, which is why

bugs are created in the body, i.e. viruses, bacteria, candida, cancer, etc. to

feed off of the sugars.

Fermentation is what happens when beer, wine, etc. are made which creates bugs

that feed off the sugars changing them into alcohol. The same thing happens in

your own body.

You must have cellular health in order for your body to detoxify itself, take in

nutrients, water, etc. and to get rid of their own waste products no matter what

toxins are around.

So in my opinion sugars are much worse than smoking. Smoking doesn't cause

fermentation of the body's cells even IF it is toxic.

Here's a video that shows fermentation of red blood cells, which is a Live blood

cell analysis by Dr. Young:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oleKrSCwc & feature=related

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hei ,

thanks for the post! I especially like the link between mitochondrial

dysfunction and nicotine, as mitochondrial dysfunction is currently a hot topic

in many neurodegenerative diseases (my research group is working on them). I

just hope that everyone reads the infos, as I really think in a board which is

supposed (and does!) bring health into peoples life shouldnt support smoking.

Sorry to hear about your family, it is so bad, especially when they cant stop

even though they know already that its game over...

All the best!!

Tini

[Guest guest]

Hi Tini,

Did I say I support smoking? No I don't. I just want people to get the truth

instead of all of the false information out there. I still stand by what I

wrote in spite of information from and you.

Smoking may be toxic, but it doesn't go into the actual makeup of the body's

cells. If your cells are healthy even toxins in smoke cannot harm you since

your body would be very efficient detoxifying itself right away like my body

does.

Also during normal metabolism the body has to get rid of wastes and by-products

all the time, so it doesn't just need efficient detoxification to get rid of

toxins in the air or consumed.

Bee

>

> Hei ,

>

> thanks for the post! I especially like the link between mitochondrial

dysfunction and nicotine, as mitochondrial dysfunction is currently a hot topic

in many neurodegenerative diseases (my research group is working on them). I

just hope that everyone reads the infos, as I really think in a board which is

supposed (and does!) bring health into peoples life shouldnt support smoking.

> Sorry to hear about your family, it is so bad, especially when they cant stop

even though they know already that its game over...

>

> All the best!!

>

> Tini

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee

Yikes, your first paragraph shocked me! I don't recall you having explained it

exactly that way. The video is excellent too.

Thanks ! Susie

>

> Hi Axel,

> Sugar causes all cells in the body to ferment, even blood cells, which is why

bugs are created in the body, i.e. viruses, bacteria, candida, cancer, etc. to

feed off of the sugars.

>

> Fermentation is what happens when beer, wine, etc. are made which creates bugs

that feed off the sugars changing them into alcohol. The same thing happens in

your own body.

>

> You must have cellular health in order for your body to detoxify itself, take

in nutrients, water, etc. and to get rid of their own waste products no matter

what toxins are around.

>

> So in my opinion sugars are much worse than smoking. Smoking doesn't cause

fermentation of the body's cells even IF it is toxic.

>

> Here's a video that shows fermentation of red blood cells, which is a Live

blood cell analysis by Dr. Young:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oleKrSCwc & feature=related

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Axel,

> > Sugar causes all cells in the body to ferment, even blood cells, which is

why bugs are created in the body, i.e. viruses, bacteria, candida, cancer, etc.

to feed off of the sugars.

> >

> > Fermentation is what happens when beer, wine, etc. are made which creates

bugs that feed off the sugars changing them into alcohol. The same thing

happens in your own body.

> >

> > You must have cellular health in order for your body to detoxify itself,

take in nutrients, water, etc. and to get rid of their own waste products no

matter what toxins are around.

> >

> > So in my opinion sugars are much worse than smoking. Smoking doesn't cause

fermentation of the body's cells even IF it is toxic.

> >

> > Here's a video that shows fermentation of red blood cells, which is a Live

blood cell analysis by Dr. Young:

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oleKrSCwc & feature=related

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bee, I copied, pasted & sent that paragraph to you-know-who, my diabetic

daughter. She replied " ohhhh gross. " Yes, her red cells are fermenting in

sugar & she didn't like the idea. Will send her the video tonight. Susie

xoxo

> > Hi Bee

> > Yikes, your first paragraph shocked me! I don't recall you having explained

it exactly that way. The video is excellent too.

>

> +++Hi Susie my friend,

> I'm learning all of the time, and getting that video from a friend when I got

back from vacation made it all very clear to me.

>

> Hooray for all of us when we get the truth, eh?

>

> Take good care Susie girl.

>

> Lotsa Luv & Hugs, Bee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee, I copied, pasted & sent that paragraph to you-know-who, my diabetic

daughter. She replied " ohhhh gross. " Yes, her red cells are fermenting in

sugar & she didn't like the idea. Will send her the video tonight.

+++Hi Susie,

I hope she " gets it " now! I'm crossing my fingers!

xoxo Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Tini,

> Did I say I support smoking? No I don't. I just want people to get the truth

instead of all of the false information out there. I still stand by what I

wrote in spite of information from and you.

>

> Smoking may be toxic, but it doesn't go into the actual makeup of the body's

cells.

@@ Snip

@@ Hi Bee, Tini, and Susie,

Just thought I'd chime in and mention my grandfather smoked until he was 90 and

died @ 94 and my great grandfather smoked a pipe all his life and lived in good

health till 105 yrs old. As one can see, smoking did not slow these guys down

;-]

There are plenty of examples of this in our society, I'm sure.

I'm in agreement with Bee in regards to sugar should be addressed before the

smoking and is much more the concern. Here, let me share an observation, I'm

certain most have witnessed.

Ever see someone quit smoking or quit? Ever notice how their appetite increases?

Notice how the cravings for carbohydrates goes way up?

Therefore, it makes sense to get the " Carb addiction " under control first. Why?

Well, smoking may be connected to lung problems, however " Sugar " is connected to

a plethora of diseases throughout the body. Including Cancers, Multiple

sclerosis, Arthritis, Osteoporosis, Alzheimer's disease ... etc.

Get the idea. Makes smoking look like a cakewalk in regards to the

destructiveness of the two issues in question.

Review the link below,as a reminder of this regard.

146 Reasons Why Sugar Is Ruining Your Health

http://rheumatic.org/sugar.htm

So while the data , chemistry, theories submitted was intriguing

( and much appreciated ) it doesn't change the fact that Sugar/Carbs does far

more extensive and reaching damage than Smoking imposes on the body. Something

to take into consideration, perhaps

P.S - Welcome back, Bee.

Cordially,

Ed

[Guest guest]

http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/oldest.htm

<http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/oldest.htm>

Indeed, " There are plenty of examples of this in our society... "

--Ken

................................................................

> >

> > Hi Tini,

> > Did I say I support smoking? No I don't. I just want people to get

the truth instead of all of the false information out there. I still

stand by what I wrote in spite of information from and you.

> >

> > Smoking may be toxic, but it doesn't go into the actual makeup of

the body's cells.

>

>

> @@ Snip

>

> @@ Hi Bee, Tini, and Susie,

>

> Just thought I'd chime in and mention my grandfather smoked until he

was 90 and died @ 94 and my great grandfather smoked a pipe all his life

and lived in good health till 105 yrs old. As one can see, smoking did

not slow these guys down ;-]

>

> There are plenty of examples of this in our society, I'm sure.

>

> I'm in agreement with Bee in regards to sugar should be addressed

before the smoking and is much more the concern. Here, let me share an

observation, I'm certain most have witnessed.

>

> Ever see someone quit smoking or quit? Ever notice how their appetite

increases? Notice how the cravings for carbohydrates goes way up?

>

> Therefore, it makes sense to get the " Carb addiction " under control

first. Why? Well, smoking may be connected to lung problems, however

" Sugar " is connected to a plethora of diseases throughout the body.

Including Cancers, Multiple sclerosis, Arthritis, Osteoporosis,

Alzheimer's disease ... etc.

>

> Get the idea. Makes smoking look like a cakewalk in regards to the

destructiveness of the two issues in question.

>

> Review the link below,as a reminder of this regard.

>

> 146 Reasons Why Sugar Is Ruining Your Health

> http://rheumatic.org/sugar.htm

>

> So while the data , chemistry, theories submitted was intriguing

> ( and much appreciated ) it doesn't change the fact that Sugar/Carbs

does far more extensive and reaching damage than Smoking imposes on the

body. Something to take into consideration, perhaps

>

> P.S - Welcome back, Bee.

>

> Cordially,

> Ed

>

[Guest guest]

Hei Ed,

> @@ Hi Bee, Tini, and Susie,

>

> Just thought I'd chime in and mention my grandfather smoked until he was 90

and died @ 94 and my great grandfather smoked a pipe all his life and lived in

good health till 105 yrs old. As one can see, smoking did not slow these guys

down ;-]

There are examples, my granny was also told to have good lung function until she

developed cancer close to the end, and she used to be our example, as all my

family was smoking...I just think it doesnt proof much, as my grandaunt is 91,

swims every day and dances still and eats tons of cake, even though she has

diabetes type 2;)

I just think it is wrong to tell someone who asks if it ok to smoke or whether

smoke contains toxins that cigarettes contain niacin which is good for the

body...especially when it is wrong. I cant surely say that it is better than

sugar, I just know that both are addictive and destructive and wanted to make

that clear, as the question was if its ok to smoke (from axel). I mean were not

supposed to BBQ our meat because of toxins in the charcoal, so it was totally

ununderstandable, thats all.

Anyway, have a nice day!

Tini

[Guest guest]

>

> Hei Ed,

>

>

@@ Snip

>

> There are examples, my granny was also told to have good lung function until

she developed cancer close to the end, and she used to be our example, as all my

family was smoking...I just think it doesnt proof much, as my grandaunt is 91,

swims every day and dances still and eats tons of cake, even though she has

diabetes type 2;)

>

> I just think it is wrong to tell someone who asks if it ok to smoke or whether

smoke contains toxins that cigarettes contain niacin which is good for the

body...especially when it is wrong. I cant surely say that it is better than

sugar, I just know that both are addictive and destructive and wanted to make

that clear, as the question was if its ok to smoke (from axel). I mean were not

supposed to BBQ our meat because of toxins in the charcoal, so it was totally

ununderstandable, thats all.

>

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@@ Hi Tini,

I agree and understand that smoking is not healthy. Your other points are also

duly noted.

However, what you demonstrated with your great aunt, is the power of exercise. I

neglected to mention both my grandfather and great grandfather were active all

their lives too. Moreover, they're all from the same era, which I will elaborate

a little more on.

Exercise can stave off disease for quite awhile. Probably being it enhances

detoxification, improves the psychological and physical well being and also

boosts the immune system, among other variables.

" Thus, the people of our grandparents era were more active, had better overall

community, better quality food and water, and they weren't as exposed to the

negative and toxic variables as we are today. "

Hint , above, in regards to your great aunt developing Diabetes in her old age

rather that a young age and your granny with cancer.

Moreover, that is more than likely why those people of that era developed the

serious diseases more in their old age, rather than in their young lives.

Unlike young people, today, whom already have their health degenerating long

before old age due to the overall poor quality of lifestyles people have today

is comparison to yesteryear.

Nevertheless, my point was if one was consuming carbs/sugar and smoking. Then

when comparing the two ( Sugar & Smoking) ... both done in moderation, Sugar

will trump Smoking quicker in the short & long-term damage it can instigate on

the body overall. And by a good margin, I might add.

Basically, if your deficient in nutrients, sleep, exercise ...etc in conjunction

with Smoking, then you are going to deteriorate a lot faster than just " Smoking "

alone.

This perhaps is why Bee was emphasizing addressing the Sugar/Carbs concern

first, rather than the Smoking issue. Thus , the person addresses each issue

according to priority , instead of tackling everything at once . Which could

result in the person becoming frustrated and ceasing to address either problem.

However she was erroneous in stating " nicotine is niacin " are the same. They

chemically are not, accordingly.

Tini , everyone including Bee, makes mistakes. To error is to be human ;-]

Albeit, she does not tell Axel, she supports smoking or for him to light up a

cigarette either.

Anyway, you to have a nice day and thanks for the exchange.

Ed

[Guest guest]

HEi Ed,

> Basically, if your deficient in nutrients, sleep, exercise ...etc in

conjunction with Smoking, then you are going to deteriorate a lot faster than

just " Smoking " alone.

I agree 100% The whole lifestyle plays in, so scary to see that I used to be

a non-sporty fast-food-eating and smoking person with too many drinks on the

weekends...

> Tini , everyone including Bee, makes mistakes. To error is to be human ;-]

Hehe maybe thats why I was so stunned, as it seems impossible

This program forced me to rethink so many thinks (hehe obviously successful) so

that I stopped rechecking the presenting facts as it works so nicely, and Bee

became my leading warrior towards health

I think I am just afraid that people could " swallow " this info as well, thats

why I felt I needed to clear it up...but I hope everyone on this group cares too

much about his/her health anyways to smoke, I mean thats what we are here

for...luckily!!

> Anyway, you to have a nice day and thanks for the exchange.

thank you too!

BR Tini

[Guest guest]

Hi Tini,

It IS a fact that tobacco contains niacin just like all other green plants do.

There is nothing that is in tobacco that is unique or toxic.

I'm sorry you've gotten so much false information about it.

Bee

>

> Hei Ed,

>

>

> > @@ Hi Bee, Tini, and Susie,

> >

> > Just thought I'd chime in and mention my grandfather smoked until he was 90

and died @ 94 and my great grandfather smoked a pipe all his life and lived in

good health till 105 yrs old. As one can see, smoking did not slow these guys

down ;-]

>

> There are examples, my granny was also told to have good lung function until

she developed cancer close to the end, and she used to be our example, as all my

family was smoking...I just think it doesnt proof much, as my grandaunt is 91,

swims every day and dances still and eats tons of cake, even though she has

diabetes type 2;)

>

> I just think it is wrong to tell someone who asks if it ok to smoke or whether

smoke contains toxins that cigarettes contain niacin which is good for the

body...especially when it is wrong. I cant surely say that it is better than

sugar, I just know that both are addictive and destructive and wanted to make

that clear, as the question was if its ok to smoke (from axel). I mean were not

supposed to BBQ our meat because of toxins in the charcoal, so it was totally

ununderstandable, thats all.

>

> Anyway, have a nice day!

>

> Tini

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Ed, but nicotine and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want you to

know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to confuse

everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself contain

a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

This is how " they " get control over us in many areas, not just about tobacco and

smoking, so they can remove more and more of our freedom, and add more and more

laws to control us!

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry Ed, but nicotine and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want you

to know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to confuse

everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

>

> Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself

contain a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

>

> This is how " they " get control over us in many areas, not just about tobacco

and smoking, so they can remove more and more of our freedom, and add more and

more laws to control us!

>

> Bee

>

Hi Bee,

Thank you for your response. However, I too assumed Niacin and Nicotine were

the same although the chemical and scientific data below proves otherwise.

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Nicotine's molecular structure:

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Nicotine/

Nicotine's chemical formula is C10H14N2

Niacin's various molecular structures:

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/niacin/forms.html

Niacin's chemical formula is C5H4NCOOH (or alternatively, C6H6NO2 )

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nicotinic_acid

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Notice the chemical formulas are different from one another ,as well as the

molecular diagrams are similar but NOT entirely the same.

Actually Niacin (also known as nicotinamide and nicotinic acid ) will compete

with Nicotine.

One of the ways by which Nicotine causes detrimental effects in humans is that

it has a similar structure to nicotinamide/Niacin and can interfere with the

absorption and incorporation of the vitamin Niacin/B3.

Scroll down to " Relationship between Nicotinamide and Nicotine.... for

referenced info. Link below.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/treatmts/ebuffer/j3.html

Something that is worth noting, although Niacin and Nicotine may be present and

interact with the same structure i.e vegetables/plants, tobacco ... they have

different effects and results. Niacin & Nicotine are two separate chemicals.

This reminds me of how synonymous Vitamin C and Sugar are and how they similarly

compete with each other in the body. However , they both to, have very

different effects and results.

Therefore , if there is more Niacin than Nicotine available the Nicotine gets

canceled out and vice versa. Tobacco seems to have both chemical Nicotine and

Niacin as other plants do in varying degrees. Nicotine is a poison and a

defense for the plant. Niacin is not.

This is why I take a Niacin supplement and not a Nicotine supplement. ;-]

Off topic but related to information sources and noteworthy is utilizing

" Wikipedia " as one's reference of information. Be careful,

its not a dependable quality source for information. See below why!

The Great Lie of Wikipedia: " the....encyclopedia that anyone can edit. "

http://whale.to/a/wikipedia.html

Lastly, Bee I do agree governments, Big Pharma industries and powerful wealthy

people manipulate all sectors of our global society. This is why people like

you and I have to research and sort out the information.

Granted, its definitely , not easy my friend :-)

Thanks for being such a true humanitarian and continuing to share your hard

research and experience.

Cordially,

Ed

[Guest guest]

Hei Bee,

please go to Wikipedia and check the structures. or show me ANY proof of the

wild theory that nicotin is Vitamin B3. Otherwise I really loose my trust in all

facts you present. And please no " anagram theory " , I mean something which proofs

your thesis, as obviously there has to be something, right?

BR Tini

>

> Sorry Ed, but nicotine and niacin are the same, however " they " don't want you

to know the truth, so they've shrouded it in all kinds of jingo lingo to confuse

everyone, by even changing definitions and words, etc.

>

> Why would all green plants contain niacin and yet tobacco all by itself

contain a different substance? It is only logical they wouldn't be different

substances.

>

> This is how " they " get control over us in many areas, not just about tobacco

and smoking, so they can remove more and more of our freedom, and add more and

more laws to control us!

>

> Bee

>