Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Wow, thanks so much for your input and sharing all these references! I will go through it all. > > > > > > is 2.9 ratio bad? since i have been using VCO my total > > > > > cholestrol > > > > > > went down, hdl went up and my ldl went up. should i > continue > > to > > > > use > > > > > > VCO? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - > > Right > > > > on > > > > > the new .com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Hi ! May I know what vegetable oil you use for regular cooking or frying; as salad oil? Do you take burgers, french fries, fried chicken, bacon and doughnuts, and how often ? I surmise that probably the reason why your LDL had gone up more than the HDL after taking VCO for about 6 months regularly is a result of the regular intake of bad or unhealthy oils and fats thru consumption other foods. I hope Dr Bruce Fife and others could share their explanation or thoiughts on this matter. Cheers, Sev Magat vapurohit <vandana.purohit@...> wrote: hi there, i havne't heard from anyone. does anyone have any observations regarding my numbers? i know i need to read up on this more..but so far what i've read has confused me. Basically my LDL has gone up quite high since taking vco. do i need to be worried at the dramatic jump? in additon to the vco, i have also been consuming more eggs from pasture fed source, and raw kefir/cheese. but my weight is still the same, 110 lbs. here are the numbers again, in a clearer format. July 06 cholesterol - 112 triglyc - 27 HDL - 46 LDL - 61 Dec 06 cholesterol - 185 tryglyc - 51 HDL - 69 LDL - 106 thanks for any comments. vandana > > is 2.9 ratio bad? since i have been using VCO my total > cholestrol > > went down, hdl went up and my ldl went up. should i continue to use > > VCO? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on > the new .com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 yes, i guess it's hard to surmise about these numbers w/out knowing the full picture. ok so here's what i've been eating mostly for the past several months: i eat almost 95% home cooked food by me. i only cook with high quality virgin coconut oil or ghee (organic clarified butter). sometimes i was using raw butter on my toast. i use extra virg olive oil less occasionally.. on my greens. the only food i eat that is not organic is if i eat out at restuarants..which is rare. i have a mostly whole food diet. fruits are limited, and include goji berries, prunes, banana, apples.. veggies include raw carrots/celery/daikkon radish, parsley, cilantro, and cooked kale, collard, broccoli. sometimes squashes, sweet potatoes, butternut, acorn. sometimes avocados, dandilion greens, and brussel sprouts. fermented foods include miso broths (south river), which i put in my brown rice, farm fresh raw saurkraut, kimchee, raw kefir, raw kombucha. i have been increasing intake of greens (mustard, kale, collard), which i lightly blanch for 1 min. the only wheat i have is a slice of sprouted grain toast (shiloh farms) for breakfast. i put vco and some ghee on this, sea salt, raw kimchee or raw saurkraut, chopped parsley/cilantro, raw goat cheese, and sliced egg from chickens raised on insects/grass. i eat both yolk and egg white (i cook my egg by placing in boiling water for 5-7 min). this breakfast meal makes me feel really good. i often eat porridges or brown rice. i soak my gluten-free grains overnight in water and some kefir to get rid of phytic acid.. before making porridges (following recipe of Nourishing Traditions), and do same for my brown rice (lundeburg farms) i have soaked/dried pumpkin seeds, almonds/walnuts. occasionally i make lentil dishes (split peas, mung, etc). my diet has been mostly vegetarian, but recently i've added: once a week wild salmon or wild sardines. i use spices like cinnamin, turmeric, garlic. and lots of shredded ginger, fresh squeezed lime. my drinks only include raw kefir (1/2 to 1 cup), raw kombucha, and spring water throughout the day. in morning i have water with some lime, or raw apple cider vinegar. occasionally i'll have reishim mushroom tea or yerba mate. coffee is very rare..like at a cafe. deserts are occasional and include ingredients such as: raw honey, cinnamin, raw 100% cacao, carob, walnuts/banans supplements: Blue Ice cod liver oil. and i just started primal defense probiotics. I am a high metabolic type. i did a few tests..including on mercola.com. Based on this diet..i was surprized my cholesterol shot up so much, especially LDL, and triglyc. But on the other hand, maybe the higher cholesterol is not a bad thing..i need to learn more about cholesterol. but i have to say my energy level has gone up since eating a diet with more good fats. and my weight has not changed. vandana > > > > I have some results to share on cholesterol and vco. i started > > taking vco around july 06 and have been taking it ever since..about > 1- > > 2 tbs per day. > > > > july 06 Dec 06 > > cholesterol 112 185 > > triglyc 27 51 > > HDL 46 69 > > LDL 61 106 > > > > basically everything has gone up for me. so at first glance, i > > wondered if vco is good for me. > > what ratio do i need to look at? > > > > thanks for any explanations here. > > > > vandana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 It would seem that the vco has balanced your cholesterol- your original numbers were WAYYY too low. Current level is much more healthy. zoe Thursday, December 28, 2006, 10:43:43 PM, you wrote: > yes, i guess it's hard to surmise about these numbers w/out knowing > the full picture. > ok so here's what i've been eating mostly for the past several > months: > i eat almost 95% home cooked food by me. > i only cook with high quality virgin coconut oil or ghee (organic > clarified butter). sometimes i was using raw butter on my toast. i > use extra virg olive oil less occasionally.. on my greens. > the only food i eat that is not organic is if i eat out at > restuarants..which is rare. > i have a mostly whole food diet. > fruits are limited, and include goji berries, prunes, banana, > apples.. > veggies include raw carrots/celery/daikkon radish, parsley, > cilantro, and cooked kale, collard, broccoli. sometimes squashes, > sweet potatoes, butternut, acorn. sometimes avocados, dandilion > greens, and brussel sprouts. > fermented foods include miso broths (south river), which i put in my > brown rice, farm fresh raw saurkraut, kimchee, raw kefir, raw > kombucha. > i have been increasing intake of greens (mustard, kale, collard), > which i lightly blanch for 1 min. > the only wheat i have is a slice of sprouted grain toast (shiloh > farms) for breakfast. i put vco and some ghee on this, sea salt, > raw kimchee or raw saurkraut, chopped parsley/cilantro, raw goat > cheese, and sliced egg from chickens raised on insects/grass. i eat > both yolk and egg white (i cook my egg by placing in boiling water > for 5-7 min). this breakfast meal makes me feel really good. > i often eat porridges or brown rice. i soak my gluten-free grains > overnight in water and some kefir to get rid of phytic acid.. before > making porridges (following recipe of Nourishing Traditions), and do > same for my brown rice (lundeburg farms) > i have soaked/dried pumpkin seeds, almonds/walnuts. > occasionally i make lentil dishes (split peas, mung, etc). > my diet has been mostly vegetarian, but recently i've added: once a > week wild salmon or wild sardines. > > i use spices like cinnamin, turmeric, garlic. and lots of shredded > ginger, fresh squeezed lime. > my drinks only include raw kefir (1/2 to 1 cup), raw kombucha, and > spring water throughout the day. in morning i have water with some > lime, or raw apple cider vinegar. occasionally i'll have reishim > mushroom tea or yerba mate. coffee is very rare..like at a cafe. > deserts are occasional and include ingredients such as: raw honey, > cinnamin, raw 100% cacao, carob, walnuts/banans > supplements: Blue Ice cod liver oil. and i just started primal > defense probiotics. > I am a high metabolic type. i did a few tests..including on > mercola.com. > Based on this diet..i was surprized my cholesterol shot up so much, > especially LDL, and triglyc. But on the other hand, maybe the higher > cholesterol is not a bad thing..i need to learn more about > cholesterol. but i have to say my energy level has gone up since > eating a diet with more good fats. and my weight has not changed. > vandana > >> > >> > I have some results to share on cholesterol and vco. i started >> > taking vco around july 06 and have been taking it ever > since..about >> 1- >> > 2 tbs per day. >> > >> > july 06 Dec 06 >> > cholesterol 112 185 >> > triglyc 27 51 >> > HDL 46 69 >> > LDL 61 106 >> > >> > basically everything has gone up for me. so at first glance, i >> > wondered if vco is good for me. >> > what ratio do i need to look at? >> > >> > thanks for any explanations here. >> > >> > vandana >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Vandana, Your numbers are fine. According to Dr. Tom Cowan, from a " conventional " point of view your Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio is at the " no risk " category. http://www.westonaprice.org/askdoctor/highcholesterol.html > > > is 2.9 ratio bad? since i have been using VCO my total > > cholestrol > > > went down, hdl went up and my ldl went up. should i continue to > use > > > VCO? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right > on > > the new .com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 just wanted to update you guys on the why i think my cholesterol shot up so much in my first six months of using coconut oil in my diet (112- to 185)HDL went up from 46-69, and LDL went up from 61 to 106. While i understand that my current cholesterol may not be an issue (i am not so worried abt it for now), there are two factors i learned of that could have caused the sharp jump: 1) during those same six months, i also added egg regularly to my diet. while i have read that cholesterol rich foods dont' necessarily result in increased serum cholesterol levels in the body, at a nutrition class i recently attended, the lecuturer said the eggs will not raise cholesterol as long as the yolk is not cooked to the point at which it gels. ie.if eaten poached, the egg will not raise the person's cholesterol. but if eaten boiled, the egg can. i had never heard this before. does anyone have experience or knowledge on this? i had never heard this before. well i have been eating my eggs boiled, and on a daily basis. and i started eating the eggs around the time i started taking vco. so that's something to consider. 2) i read that cholesterol is affected by stress/nervousness. i recall feeling more than usual sensitive about pain and my body got quite tense when the nurse injected me to draw blood. so..if the above is true, it's possible my cholesterol shot up due to the stress i felt at that time. any thoughts on this? if this is the case..it seems it would be important to get the person to be calm before doing the test right? anyway, still learning abt cholesterol. just thought i'd share my new thoughts. vandana On 12/29/06, italiansapphiregirl <italiansapphiregirl@...> wrote: > > Vandana, > > Your numbers are fine. According to Dr. Tom Cowan, from > a " conventional " point of view your Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio is at > the " no risk " category. > > http://www.westonaprice.org/askdoctor/highcholesterol.html > > > > > > is 2.9 ratio bad? since i have been using VCO my > total > > > cholestrol > > > > went down, hdl went up and my ldl went up. should i continue to > > use > > > > VCO? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right > > on > > > the new .com <http:///> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 i started eating alot of eggs/ boiled, cooked all the way and my cholesterol did not go up. i also use 3 tsp a day vco. but i stopped eating butter, any store bought box food, cheese. --- Vandana Purohit <vandana.purohit@...> wrote: > just wanted to update you guys on the why i think my cholesterol shot up so > much in my first six months of using coconut oil in my diet (112- to 185)HDL > went up from 46-69, and LDL went up from 61 to 106. > > While i understand that my current cholesterol may not be an issue (i am not > so worried abt it for now), there are two factors i learned of that could > have caused the sharp jump: > > 1) during those same six months, i also added egg regularly to my diet. > while i have read that cholesterol rich foods dont' necessarily result in > increased serum cholesterol levels in the body, at a nutrition class i > recently attended, the lecuturer said the eggs will not raise cholesterol as > long as the yolk is not cooked to the point at which it gels. ie.if eaten > poached, the egg will not raise the person's cholesterol. but if eaten > boiled, the egg can. i had never heard this before. > does anyone have experience or knowledge on this? i had never heard this > before. > well i have been eating my eggs boiled, and on a daily basis. and i started > eating the eggs around the time i started taking vco. so that's something > to consider. > > 2) i read that cholesterol is affected by stress/nervousness. i recall > feeling more than usual sensitive about pain and my body got quite tense > when the nurse injected me to draw blood. so..if the above is true, it's > possible my cholesterol shot up due to the stress i felt at that time. any > thoughts on this? if this is the case..it seems it would be important to > get the person to be calm before doing the test right? > > anyway, still learning abt cholesterol. just thought i'd share my new > thoughts. > > vandana > On 12/29/06, italiansapphiregirl <italiansapphiregirl@...> wrote: > > > > Vandana, > > > > Your numbers are fine. According to Dr. Tom Cowan, from > > a " conventional " point of view your Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio is at > > the " no risk " category. > > > > http://www.westonaprice.org/askdoctor/highcholesterol.html > > > > > > > > > is 2.9 ratio bad? since i have been using VCO my > > total > > > > cholestrol > > > > > went down, hdl went up and my ldl went up. should i continue to > > > use > > > > > VCO? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right > > > on > > > > the new .com <http:///> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hi Can anyone advice how to read a cholesterol test. It is not for me btw, i just can't remember what ratio i'm looking for etc. Someone on another site is worried about their high cholesterol and on a no cholesterol diet. I was telling them a bit about vco and that the real culprit is polyunsaturated oils. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hi and All, I'm a new member but not new to " trying " to live as healthy as possible. This is my first post. Just want to tell you that the cholesterol is not an issue and the less a person gets of it in food, the more his body is producing. Here is a link: http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm Barbara Hi Can anyone advice how to read a cholesterol test. It is not for me btw, i just can't remember what ratio i'm looking for etc. Someone on another site is worried about their high cholesterol and on a no cholesterol diet. I was telling them a bit about vco and that the real culprit is polyunsaturated oils. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Wow Barbara, you are very brave to drop a bomb like that one with your first post. Actually I am just kidding you, I know there are lots of ppl here who know about the " myths " But congratulations anyway, my doctor still spews out the myth dogma too, so it's being fought all the way.... ross Re: Re: cholesterol Hi and All, I'm a new member but not new to " trying " to live as healthy as possible. This is my first post. Just want to tell you that the cholesterol is not an issue and the less a person gets of it in food, the more his body is producing. Here is a link: http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm Barbara Hi Can anyone advice how to read a cholesterol test. It is not for me btw, i just can't remember what ratio i'm looking for etc. Someone on another site is worried about their high cholesterol and on a no cholesterol diet. I was telling them a bit about vco and that the real culprit is polyunsaturated oils. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 LOL..... Hi Ross, I have many more " bombs " like that one...LOL I just am fed up with our government's lies and big pharma's lies, to the tune of billions of dollars that they make in the wake of those lies... Time for people to wake up... I'm not surprised about your doctor still prescribing statins. It is his livelyhood! Have patients coming back for more to the rest of their lives, that's big money. Barbara Wow Barbara, you are very brave to drop a bomb like that one with your first post. Actually I am just kidding you, I know there are lots of ppl here who know about the " myths " But congratulations anyway, my doctor still spews out the myth dogma too, so it's being fought all the way.... ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hi Barbara and Zoe, Great posts. I thought you might like this excerpt from a post in another group. I had to smile. ...................................................................... While I am not a scientist, I do read a lot and the makers of Crisco shortening removed coconut oil from their product many years ago after they learned that the oil was very high in cholesterol producing agents. Personally I won't eat or use the stuff. Procter and Gamble used coconut oil because it was relatively cheap to produce and only changed their formulation when Americans became health conscious and realized coconut oil was so very bad for their health. I suppose that in PI it may act as some kind of placebo effect since so many people believe so strongly in the benefits. Far be it from me to try to tell everyone they are probably killing themselves ....................................................................... Take care, Mel > > Thank you so much Zoe and hugs back to you > You are very right, we need to be more vocal and not intimidated to express our believes. Our freedoms are being taken away a little at a time so not to provoke the revolt We need them all back! > > Barbara > > > > > YOU GO GIRL!!! > You are in good company here. The more folks get fired up about all this nonsense the sooner we are likely to affect changes. Its time we took our government back. > > Huggs > zoe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Thats the kind of disinformation we come to expect from those folks in the corn, soy, canola oil business. Wonder what their agenda is? Thanks for the chuckle Huggs zoe Monday, February 26, 2007, 9:18:45 PM, you wrote: > Hi Barbara and Zoe, > Great posts. > I thought you might like this excerpt from a post in another group. > I had to smile. > ..................................................................... > While I am not a scientist, I do read a lot and the makers of Crisco > shortening removed coconut oil from their product many years ago after > they learned that the oil was very high in cholesterol producing > agents. Personally I won't eat or use the stuff. Procter and Gamble > used coconut oil because it was relatively cheap to produce and only > changed their formulation when Americans became health conscious and > realized coconut oil was so very bad for their health. I suppose that > in PI it may act as some kind of placebo effect since so many people > believe so strongly in the benefits. Far be it from me to try to tell > everyone they are probably killing themselves > ...................................................................... > Take care, > Mel > >> Thank you so much Zoe and hugs back to you >> You are very right, we need to be more vocal and not intimidated to > express our believes. Our freedoms are being taken away a little at > a time so not to provoke the revolt We need them all back! >> Barbara >> YOU GO GIRL!!! >> You are in good company here. The more folks get fired up about > all this nonsense the sooner we are likely to affect changes. Its > time we took our government back. >> Huggs >> zoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 > Barbara I do know about cholesterol, just couldn't remember how to read a cholesterol test, as never had one done. I know docs read them different from the more informed people on this planet. I did know once but forgotten, that's what hypothyroidism does for you, memory problems lol. But i shared info 'cholesterol myths' with lady who was worried about high cholesterol, which runs in her family apparently, hope you don't mind. Thanks > Hi and All, > > I'm a new member but not new to " trying " to live as healthy as possible. This is my first post. > Just want to tell you that the cholesterol is not an issue and the less a person gets of it in food, the more his body is producing. Here is a link: > > http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm > > Barbara > > > > > Hi > > Can anyone advice how to read a cholesterol test. > > It is not for me btw, i just can't remember what ratio i'm looking for > etc. Someone on another site is worried about their high cholesterol > and on a no cholesterol diet. I was telling them a bit about vco and > that the real culprit is polyunsaturated oils. > > Thanks > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 > > > > Thank you so much Zoe and hugs back to you > > You are very right, we need to be more vocal and not intimidated to > express our believes. Our freedoms are being taken away a little at > a time so not to provoke the revolt We need them all back! > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > YOU GO GIRL!!! > > You are in good company here. The more folks get fired up about > all this nonsense the sooner we are likely to affect changes. Its > time we took our government back. > > > > Huggs > > zoe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hi , Somebody else put him straight before I got my chance. It is actually a group based in The Philippines, so the man was very much in the minority......I think he knows that now. It always amazes me that people can be so sure of their opinions. Regards, Mel > > > > > > Thank you so much Zoe and hugs back to you > > > You are very right, we need to be more vocal and not intimidated > to > > express our believes. Our freedoms are being taken away a little > at > > a time so not to provoke the revolt We need them all back! > > > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU GO GIRL!!! > > > You are in good company here. The more folks get fired up about > > all this nonsense the sooner we are likely to affect changes. > Its > > time we took our government back. > > > > > > Huggs > > > zoe > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hi Mel, Thank you! This exerpt only shows the power of brainwashing. They did it for so many years that people accept it as the truth. But we are here to discover the real truth Did anyone read the book by Enig PhD " Eat Fat, Lose Fat " ? She studied fats for more than 30 years and found out that THE healthiest fat there is, is butter but coconut oil is close second. Both fats act as guards against heart disease so we can eat them without guilt and to our health And they both are delicious! Barbara Hi Barbara and Zoe, Great posts. I thought you might like this excerpt from a post in another group. I had to smile. ...................................................................... While I am not a scientist, I do read a lot and the makers of Crisco shortening removed coconut oil from their product many years ago after they learned that the oil was very high in cholesterol producing agents. Personally I won't eat or use the stuff. Procter and Gamble used coconut oil because it was relatively cheap to produce and only changed their formulation when Americans became health conscious and realized coconut oil was so very bad for their health. I suppose that in PI it may act as some kind of placebo effect since so many people believe so strongly in the benefits. Far be it from me to try to tell everyone they are probably killing themselves ....................................................................... Take care, Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 , By all means, do share whatever I post here with anyone you see fit. We do want the word to spread as not everyone has a access to a computer. And I only posted one link but if you google " cholesterol myths " you will get hundreds and hundreds of sites that deal with it. Another very useful thing to know is the harm that statin drugs are doing to people. Just google " statins side effects " and you will learn about them too. Hope your friend will learn enough to stop worrying about her cholesterol and will say no to statins! Barbara Barbara I do know about cholesterol, just couldn't remember how to read a cholesterol test, as never had one done. I know docs read them different from the more informed people on this planet. I did know once but forgotten, that's what hypothyroidism does for you, memory problems lol. But i shared info 'cholesterol myths' with lady who was worried about high cholesterol, which runs in her family apparently, hope you don't mind. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Yeah, Barbara, isn't it SO ironic that there is so much " hype " about how " bad " cholesterol is, and how you should avoid eating foods high in cholesterol, when your body produces more cholesterol than what you can eat? And if you don't eat enough cholesterol in your foods, then your liver makes even more of it to compensate. And I read that the statin drugs are more beneficial for heart disease in OTHER ways than they're ability to lower cholesterol. But it's the cholesterol-lowering effect that they focused on in the studies. And, yeah, the negative side affects of the statins, I think, outweighs any of their benefits. I literally want to " growl " at every one of the cholesterol drug commercials, when they come on. People are SO being fed a " crock of crap. " And they unknowingly fall for it, 'cause I think we tend to put doctors on a kind of " pedestal, " that they know more than us, when, they don't, necessarily. So those of us who have " discovered the truth " have to just do what WE know is right FOR US, and ignore the erroneous information they try to " feed " us. After all, it's not THEIR life that's being affected by their disinformation. It's OURS, and it's our responsibility to take care of it to the best of our ability. And as we all know, knowledge is power. Cryss > > , > > By all means, do share whatever I post here with anyone you see fit. We do want the word to spread as not everyone has a access to a computer. And I only posted one link but if you google " cholesterol myths " you will get hundreds and hundreds of sites that deal with it. > > Another very useful thing to know is the harm that statin drugs are doing to people. Just google " statins side effects " and you will learn about them too. > > Hope your friend will learn enough to stop worrying about her cholesterol and will say no to statins! > > Barbara > > > > > > Barbara > > I do know about cholesterol, just couldn't remember how to read a > cholesterol test, as never had one done. I know docs read them > different from the more informed people on this planet. I did know > once but forgotten, that's what hypothyroidism does for you, memory > problems lol. > But i shared info 'cholesterol myths' with lady who was worried about > high cholesterol, which runs in her family apparently, hope you don't > mind. > Thanks > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 You said it very well, Cryss There is not much that I can add, maybe only that according to some study, somewhere (forgot where) for the older woman, the more cholesterol she has the healthier she is and the better she is able to fight any infectious disease. Isn't this great? But the big pharma keeps lowering the " normal " level of cholesterol, so they can sell even more statins! Cholesterol is essential to life, without it we are dead! Barbara Yeah, Barbara, isn't it SO ironic that there is so much " hype " about how " bad " cholesterol is, and how you should avoid eating foods high in cholesterol, when your body produces more cholesterol than what you can eat? And if you don't eat enough cholesterol in your foods, then your liver makes even more of it to compensate. And I read that the statin drugs are more beneficial for heart disease in OTHER ways than they're ability to lower cholesterol. But it's the cholesterol-lowering effect that they focused on in the studies. And, yeah, the negative side affects of the statins, I think, outweighs any of their benefits. I literally want to " growl " at every one of the cholesterol drug commercials, when they come on. People are SO being fed a " crock of crap. " And they unknowingly fall for it, 'cause I think we tend to put doctors on a kind of " pedestal, " that they know more than us, when, they don't, necessarily. So those of us who have " discovered the truth " have to just do what WE know is right FOR US, and ignore the erroneous information they try to " feed " us. After all, it's not THEIR life that's being affected by their disinformation. It's OURS, and it's our responsibility to take care of it to the best of our ability. And as we all know, knowledge is power. Cryss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I think I might have read that same study, Barbara. It rings a bell. Gee, maybe the reason I've gotten sick AGAIN, so soon after FINALLY getting over the last bout (ugh), is because the cardiologist (big surprise) prescribed LIPITOR. I kept telling all the doctors my cholesterol level has NEVER been a problem, but they all said that " new rese arch " is finding Lipitor helps diabetics. They didn't explain why. All the cardiologist would tell me is that my " good " cholesterol was low, and it was, when the test numbers came back. But ALL of my other numbers were way under the recommended levels-- the " bad " cholesterol, and even my triglycerides. They were tremendously improved since the last test, a few months ago. So, once the 1-month supply of Lipitor ran out, I didn't refill it. I am NOT about to take what I consider to be a completely unnecessary drug, especially one that has definitely been linked with muscle pain and weakness. That was about the end of January, and right in the beginning of February, I got one hell of a " cold/flu. " Hmm. Coincidence of timing? Hmm. So why am I sick again so soon? This is VERY unusual for me. I've always had a good immune system. I usually get only 1 cold per winter season. I have to wonder if all these drugs the cardiologist put me on might be somehow damaging and weakening my immune system? All I know for sure, is my nose is plugged, my head hurts, and I feel like total " crap. " And I'm annoyed as all hell. Ugh. Cryss > > You said it very well, Cryss There is not much that I can add, maybe only that according to some study, somewhere (forgot where) > for the older woman, the more cholesterol she has the healthier she is and the better she is able to fight any infectious disease. Isn't this great? But the big pharma keeps lowering the " normal " level of cholesterol, so they can sell even more statins! > Cholesterol is essential to life, without it we are dead! > > Barbara > > > > > Yeah, Barbara, isn't it SO ironic that there is so much " hype " about > how " bad " cholesterol is, and how you should avoid eating foods high > in cholesterol, when your body produces more cholesterol than what > you can eat? And if you don't eat enough cholesterol in your foods, > then your liver makes even more of it to compensate. > > And I read that the statin drugs are more beneficial for heart > disease in OTHER ways than they're ability to lower cholesterol. > But it's the cholesterol-lowering effect that they focused on in the > studies. > > And, yeah, the negative side affects of the statins, I think, > outweighs any of their benefits. > > I literally want to " growl " at every one of the cholesterol drug > commercials, when they come on. People are SO being fed a " crock of > crap. " And they unknowingly fall for it, 'cause I think we tend to > put doctors on a kind of " pedestal, " that they know more than us, > when, they don't, necessarily. > > So those of us who have " discovered the truth " have to just do what > WE know is right FOR US, and ignore the erroneous information they > try to " feed " us. > > After all, it's not THEIR life that's being affected by their > disinformation. It's OURS, and it's our responsibility to take care > of it to the best of our ability. > > And as we all know, knowledge is power. > > Cryss > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Cryss, all drugs have side effects. Remember, the rate of death cases fall dramatically when doctors go on strike! I usually don't get any colds at all for several years in a row....but I don't take any drugs, not even an aspirin... LOL Really sorry about your cold (( Barbara I think I might have read that same study, Barbara. It rings a bell. Gee, maybe the reason I've gotten sick AGAIN, so soon after FINALLY getting over the last bout (ugh), is because the cardiologist (big surprise) prescribed LIPITOR. I kept telling all the doctors my cholesterol level has NEVER been a problem, but they all said that " new rese arch " is finding Lipitor helps diabetics. They didn't explain why. All the cardiologist would tell me is that my " good " cholesterol was low, and it was, when the test numbers came back. But ALL of my other numbers were way under the recommended levels-- the " bad " cholesterol, and even my triglycerides. They were tremendously improved since the last test, a few months ago. So, once the 1-month supply of Lipitor ran out, I didn't refill it. I am NOT about to take what I consider to be a completely unnecessary drug, especially one that has definitely been linked with muscle pain and weakness. That was about the end of January, and right in the beginning of February, I got one hell of a " cold/flu. " Hmm. Coincidence of timing? Hmm. So why am I sick again so soon? This is VERY unusual for me. I've always had a good immune system. I usually get only 1 cold per winter season. I have to wonder if all these drugs the cardiologist put me on might be somehow damaging and weakening my immune system? All I know for sure, is my nose is plugged, my head hurts, and I feel like total " crap. " And I'm annoyed as all hell. Ugh. Cryss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Here's another link for you to read on the latest on statins http://www.drbrownstein.com/blog.asp?id=93 > Gee, maybe the reason I've gotten sick AGAIN, so soon after FINALLY > getting over the last bout (ugh), is because the cardiologist (big > surprise) prescribed LIPITOR. I kept telling all the doctors my > cholesterol level has NEVER been a problem, but they all said > that " new rese > > arch " is finding Lipitor helps diabetics. They didn't explain why. > All the cardiologist would tell me is that my " good " cholesterol was > low, and it was, when the test numbers came back. > > But ALL of my other numbers were way under the recommended levels-- > the " bad " cholesterol, and even my triglycerides. They were > tremendously improved since the last test, a few months ago. > > So, once the 1-month supply of Lipitor ran out, I didn't refill it. > I am NOT about to take what I consider to be a completely > unnecessary drug, especially one that has definitely been linked > with muscle pain and weakness. > > That was about the end of January, and right in the beginning of > February, I got one hell of a " cold/flu. " Hmm. Coincidence of > timing? Hmm. > > So why am I sick again so soon? This is VERY unusual for me. I've > always had a good immune system. I usually get only 1 cold per > winter season. > > I have to wonder if all these drugs the cardiologist put me on might > be somehow damaging and weakening my immune system? > > All I know for sure, is my nose is plugged, my head hurts, and I > feel like total " crap. " And I'm annoyed as all hell. > > Ugh. > > Cryss > > > > > > You said it very well, Cryss There is not much that I can add, > maybe only that according to some study, somewhere (forgot where) > > for the older woman, the more cholesterol she has the healthier > she is and the better she is able to fight any infectious disease. > Isn't this great? But the big pharma keeps lowering the " normal " > level of cholesterol, so they can sell even more statins! > > Cholesterol is essential to life, without it we are dead! > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Barbara, isn't it SO ironic that there is so much " hype " > about > > how " bad " cholesterol is, and how you should avoid eating foods > high > > in cholesterol, when your body produces more cholesterol than what > > you can eat? And if you don't eat enough cholesterol in your > foods, > > then your liver makes even more of it to compensate. > > > > And I read that the statin drugs are more beneficial for heart > > disease in OTHER ways than they're ability to lower cholesterol. > > But it's the cholesterol-lowering effect that they focused on in > the > > studies. > > > > And, yeah, the negative side affects of the statins, I think, > > outweighs any of their benefits. > > > > I literally want to " growl " at every one of the cholesterol drug > > commercials, when they come on. People are SO being fed a " crock > of > > crap. " And they unknowingly fall for it, 'cause I think we tend > to > > put doctors on a kind of " pedestal, " that they know more than us, > > when, they don't, necessarily. > > > > So those of us who have " discovered the truth " have to just do > what > > WE know is right FOR US, and ignore the erroneous information they > > try to " feed " us. > > > > After all, it's not THEIR life that's being affected by their > > disinformation. It's OURS, and it's our responsibility to take > care > > of it to the best of our ability. > > > > And as we all know, knowledge is power. > > > > Cryss > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Yes, but never mind, those numbers of Parkinson's cases are not important to big pharma....only the bottom line which is bottomless..... Barbara Here's another link for you to read on the latest on statins http://www.drbrownstein.com/blog.asp?id=93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Best to listen to your instincts. It seems your doctor is still buying into that whole cholesterol myth. There is a ton of evidence out there concerning the dangers of statin drugs. http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cholesterol.htm this is just one of many sites available. Good Luck zoe Friday, March 2, 2007, 8:50:32 AM, you wrote: > Hi! I've been taking coconut oil for about 2 months now and have been > enjoying increased energy, soft skin and weight loss. I was recently > diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and have quit smoking, and have lost > thirty pounds by eating healthy and exercising more. > Yesterday I received a call from my doctor's office telling me that my > bloodwork done several days ago shows that my cholesterol is high > (259) and my LDL is high also. I have never had a problem with > cholesterol and all of these readings were normal three months ago. > With all of my lifestyle changes, you would think the readings would > even be going down. My doctor has ordered me to stop taking my daily > 2 tablespoons of coconut oil and wants to put me on Zocor...and I > don't want to do either. > I would appreciate your help! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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