Breathing

[Guest guest]

Liz, I think both Ray and Jane are right, there are all kinds of things that

can cause shortness of breath, most of them are not serious, but I think that

all of them can become serious if not looked after. Your Doc should at least

have had an xray taken to make sure there are no obstructions being caused by

a pulmonary disease.

[Guest guest]

When I first developed the cough two years ago dr sent me for pulmonary

function tests. The preliminary showed I either had adult onset asthma or

an obstruction. She then sent me for a CAT scan and that show a small

area of scarring which the dr said was probably from pneumonia that i had

as a kid. My dr. also has had me walk briskly around her office and then

done some kind of oxygen test thing... I was huffing and puffing and she

still said well the reading is normal.

My lips have been bluish for quite a while. That would indicate to me a

lack of oxygen.

No new meds--the newest is one i started taking back in May.. the big R..

remicade itself.

>

> If you have AS your chest and lungs may not be expanding fully. Also, stress

> can make you feel short of breath. Most doctors can do routine pulmonary

> tests in their office. If you need a more elaborate work up, your doctor can

> refer you to a pulmonologist. Also, have you started any new medicines?

> Certainly that could cause a shortness of breath situation.

>

> Dave

Liz

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[Guest guest]

I'm on the Advair Diskus. It's an inhaled steriod for long-term daily use to prevent breathing problems. I still have to have a rescue inhaler.

De

Faith is the ability to not panic.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kcmija@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:13 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Fw: Hi

Re: Yelling at

Hi ,I will just send you my reply from last time,but be sure not to run out of antibiotics,that can give you a superinfection that can't be treated,they can be very dangerous if not taken properly.

If you are still on inhalers you may need a machine to take breathing treatments at home,inhalers are for maintenence or to be used for a few days.

There is a new inhaler called Advare Diskus,I am not sure about it but Janet says thats what all the Docs at her clinic are using.Ask about it or possibly getting a maxi mist machine also called a pulmo-aide to take breathing txs at home.

If you are still smoking this is likely to be your life,in and out of the Hosp.

[Guest guest]

I'm on the Advair Diskus. It's an inhaled steriod for long-term daily use to prevent breathing problems. I still have to have a rescue inhaler.

De

Faith is the ability to not panic.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kcmija@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:13 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Fw: Hi

Re: Yelling at

Hi ,I will just send you my reply from last time,but be sure not to run out of antibiotics,that can give you a superinfection that can't be treated,they can be very dangerous if not taken properly.

If you are still on inhalers you may need a machine to take breathing treatments at home,inhalers are for maintenence or to be used for a few days.

There is a new inhaler called Advare Diskus,I am not sure about it but Janet says thats what all the Docs at her clinic are using.Ask about it or possibly getting a maxi mist machine also called a pulmo-aide to take breathing txs at home.

If you are still smoking this is likely to be your life,in and out of the Hosp.

[Guest guest]

Chris

The best thing you will find is such a great support system and wonderful LL

cheerleaders to help you succeed

Glad you are apart of the team

Blessings

R

breathing

Wanda, thanks for your sweet note :-D

Pat, thank you too for your note...I appreciate all of your input as

you have so much experience in this. I know in the past I have not

given it a fair chance as I would do it for a couple of days and then

something would come up and I'd get sidetracked and that was the end.

No more. I have fully committed myself to this wonderful way of life

and I believe that I am seeing the results. Joe went to the post

office this morning and my check is in the mail for the set of DVD's I

ordered. I know they will be a great big help and since I already have

the first one I am going to send the duplicate to my daughter who has

had problems with her stomach since she was a baby. I am confident

that this will be a big benefit to her also.

Have a beautiful day my friends and I will say a little prayer of

thanks for Rashelle and this group with every LL breath I take!

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hello

I loved your message. This was my favorite part of your message " I have fully

committed myself to this wonderful way of life "

When you make the commitment to yourself to do something that is so great for

you it always will be worth the effort in so many ways.

And of course your last comment made me feel like someone just turned on a light

in my heart- " I will say a little prayer of

thanks for Rashelle and this group with every LL breath I take! " You are an

absolute treasure, Chris. I am so glad you are here with us.

How truly generous of you to share your new DVD's with your daughter. Please let

me know how she does with her LifeLift breathing program.

Be Healthy and take good care,

Rashelle

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breathing

Wanda, thanks for your sweet note :-D

Pat, thank you too for your note...I appreciate all of your input as

you have so much experience in this. I know in the past I have not

given it a fair chance as I would do it for a couple of days and then

something would come up and I'd get sidetracked and that was the end.

No more. I have fully committed myself to this wonderful way of life

and I believe that I am seeing the results. Joe went to the post

office this morning and my check is in the mail for the set of DVD's I

ordered. I know they will be a great big help and since I already have

the first one I am going to send the duplicate to my daughter who has

had problems with her stomach since she was a baby. I am confident

that this will be a big benefit to her also.

Have a beautiful day my friends and I will say a little prayer of

thanks for Rashelle and this group with every LL breath I take!

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Im having trouble getting a full breath of air into my lungs at times. I

try to get a full breath, sometimes i do, but sometimes i dont. I can

tell just before i breath if im gonna retrieve the full breath. Just

seems like a restriction of some kind.

Would this be retracing as well. Thank you again... Caine...

[Guest guest]

Hi Phyllis,

i too has had air-hunger and frequent yawning or sighing. even if i made a

conscious effort to breath deeply, it just seem like i can't take in enough

oxygen. at time it feel like i had a weigh on my chest. i didn't know it could

be thyroid related. or could it be the candida gumming up our lungs? either

way, it's unpleasant and it's nice to know it improves on this diet

Chantal

>

> I also have this problem. I have read it may be thyroid related. It is called

" air-hunger " . I also have the frequent yawning.

> When i have it I take vitamin e and it seems to help.

>

> Phyllis

>

>

[Guest guest]

My situation feels like I don't get a full breath of air. It is not shortness of

breath. Sometimes I consciously yawn to get that full breath.

I have had it bad since my candida got bad. I think it is to do with the

thyroid. It is getting much much better and only happens now if I make a mistake

on my diet.

Just one extra vitamin e helped me.

Phyllis

@@ For along time now, maybe always?, I notice that I take shallow breaths when

I breathe. I always catch myself and take a bigger breath. Making myself take

deeper breaths helps when my heart does it's flip-flop thingy.

 

Robin

[Guest guest]

I've had air hunger since I was 12 or so, though my doctor then diagnosed asthma

and gave me an inhaler... It's gotten better and just today I remembered after a

coffee enema how it seems to completely stop it for a day or so (haven't done

one in months. Must be the clearance of toxins that helps. Either way it feels

awesome to take a full breath when I haven't seemed to have even one in 12

years. Himalayan salt baths seem to do the same thing for me, but again only for

a day or less.

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Phyllis,

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for sharing your situation. Although i dont have the

> > > yawning i dont feel air hunger. How long have you been air hungry.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marla,

The Buteyko method has been brought up in the past. I looked it up then and I

just looked it up again and it seems to actually confirm what Bee recommends in

her article about breathing...which is to breathe through the nose. It sounds

like the Buteyko method is one good way to breathe, there are also other methods

as well.

You might be mistaking the discussion about " deep breathing " to be something

different than what we are recommending here. When most folks get anxious they

start to breathe through an open mouth. And what we are recommending is to close

the mouth and take deep breaths through the nose. You might want to check out

Bee's article on breathing. Just as a disclaimer, I contributed to it. I'm a

yoga instructor and nose breathing is what I've been taught and what I share

with my students.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath2.php

Jackie

(group moderator)

>

> > My situation feels like I don't get a full breath of air. It is not

> > shortness of breath. Sometimes I consciously yawn to get that full breath.

> > I have had it bad since my candida got bad. I think it is to do with the

> > thyroid. It is getting much much better and only happens now if I make a

> > mistake on my diet.

> > Just one extra vitamin e helped me.

> > Phyllis

> >

> > --

> > http://www.fretnrest.com/

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that information Jackie. (I've been off of the list for

awhile, but am lurking and gearing up to get my whole family doing this

diet!) I think Bee's article looks very good. Just comparing her article

to Buteyko, Buteyko uses a technique called " reduced breathing. " The goal

is to increase the carbon dioxide level in the lungs. So one would not

fully inhale during practice sessions. But yes, the nose breathing is

essential! And the " slow " part of the breathing is also important. People

who practice Buteyko often tape their mouths shut at night, and sometimes

even during the day when they don't need to talk and need a reminder to

breathe through the nose.

Cheers!

Marla

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:13 PM, jahlstrom78 <jaxx444@...> wrote:

> Hi Marla,

>

> The Buteyko method has been brought up in the past. I looked it up then and

> I just looked it up again and it seems to actually confirm what Bee

> recommends in her article about breathing...which is to breathe through the

> nose. It sounds like the Buteyko method is one good way to breathe, there

> are also other methods as well.

>

> You might be mistaking the discussion about " deep breathing " to be

> something different than what we are recommending here. When most folks get

> anxious they start to breathe through an open mouth. And what we are

> recommending is to close the mouth and take deep breaths through the nose.

> You might want to check out Bee's article on breathing. Just as a

> disclaimer, I contributed to it. I'm a yoga instructor and nose breathing is

> what I've been taught and what I share with my students.

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath2.php

>

> Jackie

> (group moderator)

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi Phyllis,

>

> Thanks so much for sharing your situation. Although i dont have the

> yawning i dont feel air hunger. How long have you been air hungry. How

> much Vit E do you take for this.

+++Hi Caine. Vitamin E isn't the only supplements that helps with " air hunger. "

Others supplements that oxygenate are niacin (B3), vitamin C, and some of the

other B vitamins.

I don't think you should take vitamin E for that purpose, since taking too much

causes problems. Take vitamin C instead!

Also doing deep breathing exercise helps.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I also have this problem. I have read it may be thyroid related. It is called

" air-hunger " . I also have the frequent yawning.

> When i have it I take vitamin e and it seems to help.

+++Hi Phyllis. If low thyroid caused someone to have " air hunger, " when I

forget to take my thyroid meds I would get it too, since I do not have a

thyroid.

However, even when I went to Wisconsin to help my Mother move out of her

apartment, and forgot my thyroid meds for most of the day, I didn't experience

any breathing problems. My energy levels lowered, but not my breathing, and I

was still able to do lots of physical work. It's so easy to forget taking 3

pills per day away from home.

Vitamin E is oxgenating, so that's why it helps, but do not take more than 800

IU per day since more than that depresses the immune system.

I think it is better to do deep breathing exercises first, since it is very easy

for the body to run on it's fight/flight nervous system when a person is sick,

and particularly during detoxification since respiration is greatly affected by

toxins that the lungs and other systems involved in respiration are trying to

get rid of.

Also when the fight/flight nervous system is running the adrenals are stressed

and they also become stressed by toxins which triggers the fight/flight nervous

system to activate. When they are stressed they cannot handle normal thyroid

hormone output, so the thyroid automatically lowers its hormone production to

protect the adrenals.

If deep breathing doesn't help take extra vitamin C or niacin (B3) to oxygenate.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Caine

go for it.

when i do deep breathing i found that persistancy and complete focus

(involvement) are very important. Otherwise i dont get the benefits. I do it

closing my eyes...

regards

sentil

On 23 February 2010 17:56, cainesross <cainesross@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Phyllis,

>

> Thanks for info Phyllis cause thats exactly how i feel, and i conciously

> yawn as well to achieve my full breath. Im glad yours improved, and

> hopefully with time, and Vit E, and deep breathing mine will improve as

> well.

>

> Sentil if you read this i am gonna be persistant with my deep breathing

> too.

>

> Thanks again to both of you. Much appreciated... Caine...

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Phyllis,

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for sharing your situation. Although i dont have the

> > > yawning i dont feel air hunger. How long have you been air hungry.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My situation feels like I don't get a full breath of air. It is not shortness

of breath. Sometimes I consciously yawn to get that full breath.

+++Hi Robin. Shortness of breath means you are breathing very shallow, which

makes you breath faster, so that's why you feel you can't get a full breath of

air.

> I have had it bad since my candida got bad. I think it is to do with the

thyroid. It is getting much much better and only happens now if I make a mistake

on my diet.

+++See my reply to Phyllis which explains why the thyroid isn't the cause.

+++It is understandable you'd have breathing problems when you make a mistake on

your diet because candida will be overgrowing more, so it will be producing more

carbon dioxide (C02) (and toxins), increasing the blood levels.

Carbon dioxide is what we breath out during respiration - in with the good air,

and out with the bad air. Higher levels of carbon dioxide are called blood gas,

which can build up in the body, which speeds up respiration making us breath

more to offset the increased C02, and it activates the fight/flight nervous

system, so that's why deep breathing exercises help.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee and all,

>

> I have been reading all of this discussion about " deep breathing, " and I was

> keeping silent because I know Bee's recommendations for this. But I simply

> must put this out there. My 6yo daughter has asthma, and in mid-November,

> she got seriously ill. She wheezed for 2 1/2 months solid, and we did

> everything we could, holistically and even pharmaceutically (which we

> normally don't do.) She finally, finally is nearly fully recovered thanks

> to a breathing techneque by Buteyko. You can google and even youtube for

> more information about this.

>

> But, Buteyko says that yawning, sighing, and deep breathing is actually

> *opposite* of what you want to do for good lung function. It all has to do

> with your levels of carbon dioxide in your lungs. There are exercises to do

> to help your body " reset " to having the appropriate levels.

+++Hi Marla. I am familiar with the Buteyko method, which is similar to what I

recommend. But I disagree with her theory about why asthmatics should do deep

breathing.

Buteyko's theory was that asthmatics " chronically overbreathe " and the exercises

are designed to teach asthmatics to breathe less. To simply state they should

" breathe less " is ridiculous.

Asthmatics do not " purposely " change their breathing patterns. Breathing

patterns are governed by many processes throughout the body. Breathing exercises

help, but the main question is " what is causing their breathing problems? " The

" true " cause is what should be treated, and not the " affect " like breathing

patterns.

Also it is crazy to assume natural body responses like yawning, sighing and deep

breathing are the opposite of what anyone should do for good lung function.

They are the " effect " and not the " cause " of improper lung function, in addition

to lung cell construction.

The biggest problem with people's lungs today is because they aren't getting

enough good saturated fats, which makes the lungs weak. In order for lung cells

to be healthy so a person can breathe better, they must be constructed out of

100% saturated fat.

Bee

[Guest guest]

-- In , Marla <busykitchen@...> wrote:

People who practice Buteyko often tape their mouths shut at night, and sometimes

even during the day when they don't need to talk and need a reminder to breathe

through the nose.

+++Hi Marla. That is the stupidest advice I've ever encountered.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I know how you guys feel. Ever since I started the diet and antifungals back

in December, I've been having trouble breathing. I constantly have this

tightness in my chest, especially when I lay down. I'm practically living on my

inhaler.

+++Hi there. Antihistamines used in inhalers stop an uncomfortable reaction,

and you may not experience the pain or inflammation but you also do not get the

healing process that undoes the reason for the pain and inflammation. Therefore,

you will not be able to heal properly by continuing to use inhalers.

There are natural anti-histamines that don't interfere with natural healing -

see these treatments:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/asthma2.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hei,

I do also have problems with breathing, and also heavily when laying down...but

it is clearly detoxing as I also cough away a lot of stuff. In my case tiger

balm or other stuff alike works ok, haha and as I did smoke some years ago I do

exactely know why I go through this

At least it makes me feel good that I detox and get all that nasty stuff from

the smoking time out of me...finally!!

> > >

> > > My situation feels like I don't get a full breath of air. It is not

shortness of breath. Sometimes I consciously yawn to get that full breath.

> >

> > +++Hi Robin. Shortness of breath means you are breathing very shallow,

which makes you breath faster, so that's why you feel you can't get a full

breath of air.

> >

> > > I have had it bad since my candida got bad. I think it is to do with the

thyroid. It is getting much much better and only happens now if I make a mistake

on my diet.

> >

> > +++See my reply to Phyllis which explains why the thyroid isn't the cause.

> >

> > +++It is understandable you'd have breathing problems when you make a

mistake on your diet because candida will be overgrowing more, so it will be

producing more carbon dioxide (C02) (and toxins), increasing the blood levels.

> >

> > Carbon dioxide is what we breath out during respiration - in with the good

air, and out with the bad air. Higher levels of carbon dioxide are called blood

gas, which can build up in the body, which speeds up respiration making us

breath more to offset the increased C02, and it activates the fight/flight

nervous system, so that's why deep breathing exercises help.

> >

> > All the best, Bee

> >

>