Naturopath's program or this one?

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone

I'm pretty new to this group (fourth post) and I've got a dilemma.

I'm currently in a huge debate with myself in whether to follow the protocol of

diet and supplements listed here and use this program to get better or go with

my naturopath's program. I know I have candida and I'd expand on that but I'd

just be relisting the same symptoms as everyone else (sleepiness, fatigue,

headaches, acne, psoriasis, eczema, etc.).

Her program includes probiotics (she claims that the ones that are coated with

enteric do actually reach the area where they are needed, and so they do help

quite a bit) and exercise (of three different types: aerobic, flexibility, and

weight training).

I think she believes in building up the body in order to get the immune system

to kill off the candida (I'm 128 lbs right now and she wants me to get to 150

lbs) and she does not believe in using antifungals/antiyeasts to kill the

candida. I asked her to look at the diet plan on Bee's website and she approved

of it, though she had said in the past it was okay to eat berries and quinoa.

Right now I'm finishing off a bottle of multivitamins because I don't want the

money to go to waste. The supplements are the only part of the program I'm not

doing (I am doing the cod liver oil, but I'm still taking probiotics because I'm

afraid to go off them under her guidance.

I suppose I'm simply looking for some motivation in the way of why I should stop

the probiotics and why exercise other than the recommended exercises of dry skin

brushing and rebounding on a trampoline are able to stop or slow down the

healing process.

Apologies for this being lengthy. I wanted to make sure I am doing the right

thing.

Thank you to whomever replies. I'd appreciate a direct response from Bee

regarding the probiotics and exercise, but any and every response is welcome

-Ben

[Guest guest]

Hi Ben,

I started Bee's program after 10 years of seeing a variety of alternative

doctors. I don't know why I stuck with them for so long because NONE of my

symptoms were ever alleviated. Chiropractors, nutritionists, acupuncturists,

herbalists, you name it, I tried it. I was fed up with giving all these people

my money with no results. Not one of them ever mentioned the word candida. When

I found Bee's site, it seemed like a no-brainer. Get rid of the toxins and get

the right nutrition. Simple.

I've never met Bee, but I really trust her. I would say that if your naturopath

can give you a list of success stories as long as the list on Bee's site, then

do what your naturopath says. For me, the evidence from members of this group

and the success stories were convincing enough to stop everything else and just

do what Bee says. She does have over 20 years experience with this stuff. Good

luck.

Josh

>

> Hey everyone

> I'm pretty new to this group (fourth post) and I've got a dilemma.

> I'm currently in a huge debate with myself in whether to follow the protocol

of diet and supplements listed here and use this program to get better or go

with my naturopath's program. I know I have candida and I'd expand on that but

I'd just be relisting the same symptoms as everyone else (sleepiness, fatigue,

headaches, acne, psoriasis, eczema, etc.).

> Her program includes probiotics (she claims that the ones that are coated with

enteric do actually reach the area where they are needed, and so they do help

quite a bit) and exercise (of three different types: aerobic, flexibility, and

weight training).

> I think she believes in building up the body in order to get the immune system

to kill off the candida (I'm 128 lbs right now and she wants me to get to 150

lbs) and she does not believe in using antifungals/antiyeasts to kill the

candida. I asked her to look at the diet plan on Bee's website and she approved

of it, though she had said in the past it was okay to eat berries and quinoa.

> Right now I'm finishing off a bottle of multivitamins because I don't want the

money to go to waste. The supplements are the only part of the program I'm not

doing (I am doing the cod liver oil, but I'm still taking probiotics because I'm

afraid to go off them under her guidance.

> I suppose I'm simply looking for some motivation in the way of why I should

stop the probiotics and why exercise other than the recommended exercises of dry

skin brushing and rebounding on a trampoline are able to stop or slow down the

healing process.

> Apologies for this being lengthy. I wanted to make sure I am doing the right

thing.

> Thank you to whomever replies. I'd appreciate a direct response from Bee

regarding the probiotics and exercise, but any and every response is welcome

> -Ben

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ben,

Other diets/programs differ from Bee's in that they are geared towards " killing

off " candida. However, it cannot be cured that way. Candida is part of a body's

natural internal " ecosystem " , if you will. And a candida overgrowth is only

cured by building up the immune system, which is done by:

1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements)

2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer)

3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

4) Eliminating toxins in general.

When the immune system is strong enough it will automatically " make " candida (or

any bug, cancer, etc.) change back into the organism it is supposed to be when

the body is healthy.

The exercises recommended here help aid the detoxification process. The reason

more vigorous exercise is NOT recommended here is that the body already is

dealing with a lot in order to heal. Exercise taxes the body and takes energy

away from healing. It can also mobilize toxins and make your healing/detoxing

symptoms more difficult to deal with.

Berries and quinoa are not recommended because you want to eliminate as many

candida feeding foods as you can. Once you are healthy again they can be added

back into your diet, in moderation of course.

Why ingest things you don't need (foods and supplements)?

Since your naturopath basically endorses Bee's diet plan, and it doesn't cost

you any money, you would lose nothing by giving it a try. But of course, the

decision is yours.

Jackie

(group moderator)

>

> Hey everyone

> I'm pretty new to this group (fourth post) and I've got a dilemma.

> I'm currently in a huge debate with myself in whether to follow the protocol

of diet and supplements listed here and use this program to get better or go

with my naturopath's program. I know I have candida and I'd expand on that but

I'd just be relisting the same symptoms as everyone else (sleepiness, fatigue,

headaches, acne, psoriasis, eczema, etc.).

> Her program includes probiotics (she claims that the ones that are coated with

enteric do actually reach the area where they are needed, and so they do help

quite a bit) and exercise (of three different types: aerobic, flexibility, and

weight training).

> I think she believes in building up the body in order to get the immune system

to kill off the candida (I'm 128 lbs right now and she wants me to get to 150

lbs) and she does not believe in using antifungals/antiyeasts to kill the

candida. I asked her to look at the diet plan on Bee's website and she approved

of it, though she had said in the past it was okay to eat berries and quinoa.

> Right now I'm finishing off a bottle of multivitamins because I don't want the

money to go to waste. The supplements are the only part of the program I'm not

doing (I am doing the cod liver oil, but I'm still taking probiotics because I'm

afraid to go off them under her guidance.

> I suppose I'm simply looking for some motivation in the way of why I should

stop the probiotics and why exercise other than the recommended exercises of dry

skin brushing and rebounding on a trampoline are able to stop or slow down the

healing process.

> Apologies for this being lengthy. I wanted to make sure I am doing the right

thing.

> Thank you to whomever replies. I'd appreciate a direct response from Bee

regarding the probiotics and exercise, but any and every response is welcome

> -Ben

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your response, Josh. Your advice is sound and makes sense,

just like everything I've read on Bee's site. Also, I've thought about the

success stories and the length of time Bee has had gaining experience dealing

with candida, not to mention the fact that she has dealt with it herself. Also,

the naturopath charges $100 an hour (!) to even gain the information necessary

to do her program, while this one is totally free, like you said.

It's good to hear from someone that has been through all the different natural

medical routes. It definitely keeps me from thinking they're all the same in

quality.

So it does look far more beneficial to do Bee's program, in terms of cost

efficiency and health efficiency.

Good luck to you too

-Ben

>

> Hi Ben,

> I started Bee's program after 10 years of seeing a variety of alternative

doctors. I don't know why I stuck with them for so long because NONE of my

symptoms were ever alleviated. Chiropractors, nutritionists, acupuncturists,

herbalists, you name it, I tried it. I was fed up with giving all these people

my money with no results. Not one of them ever mentioned the word candida. When

I found Bee's site, it seemed like a no-brainer. Get rid of the toxins and get

the right nutrition. Simple.

>

> I've never met Bee, but I really trust her. I would say that if your

naturopath can give you a list of success stories as long as the list on Bee's

site, then do what your naturopath says. For me, the evidence from members of

this group and the success stories were convincing enough to stop everything

else and just do what Bee says. She does have over 20 years experience with this

stuff. Good luck.

>

> Josh

[Guest guest]

Hello there Jackie,

You're completely right about the over-exertive exercise and why should I

consume things that feed the candida. The fact that the naturopath was approving

berries and quinoa was boggling my mind (which was already quite boggled due to

brain fog) because I know that they feed it. So it's great to just get

confirmation on something I sort of already knew.

The idea of exercising I have been less quick to toss out, because I know I need

to gain weight, and if I am in ketosis, I will be burning all the fat on my

body, making it even slimmer. But I have also read how our bodies " even out " and

the 80% fat, 20% protein diet makes us gain muscle once we've gotten our immune

systems strong enough to start beating the candida (correct me if I'm wrong

please?). So I really should toss out that concept too.

Thanks so much for your response

-Ben

>

> Hi Ben,

>

> Other diets/programs differ from Bee's in that they are geared towards

" killing off " candida. However, it cannot be cured that way. Candida is part of

a body's natural internal " ecosystem " , if you will. And a candida overgrowth is

only cured by building up the immune system, which is done by:

> 1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements)

> 2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer)

> 3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

> 4) Eliminating toxins in general.

>

> When the immune system is strong enough it will automatically " make " candida

(or any bug, cancer, etc.) change back into the organism it is supposed to be

when the body is healthy.

>

> The exercises recommended here help aid the detoxification process. The reason

more vigorous exercise is NOT recommended here is that the body already is

dealing with a lot in order to heal. Exercise taxes the body and takes energy

away from healing. It can also mobilize toxins and make your healing/detoxing

symptoms more difficult to deal with.

>

> Berries and quinoa are not recommended because you want to eliminate as many

candida feeding foods as you can. Once you are healthy again they can be added

back into your diet, in moderation of course.

>

> Why ingest things you don't need (foods and supplements)?

>

> Since your naturopath basically endorses Bee's diet plan, and it doesn't cost

you any money, you would lose nothing by giving it a try. But of course, the

decision is yours.

>

> Jackie

> (group moderator)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Ben,

Bee often says that when you have a candida overgrowth, " weight is the least of

your concerns. " Your weight will fluctuate on this program. You could lose more

at the outset or you could gain some. We've had reports of both things occurring

as the body works to heal.

To find the optimal diet ratios for your body use the calculation tool here:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods8.php

Then, you'll track your foods at a site like, Fitday.com (or another that is

similar. Here is some info on how to use Fitday:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods9.php

Essentially Bee does all this work for " free. " It's a passion of hers. If you're

feeling at all guilty about all the money you'll save by doing this program and

not your naturopath's, Bee does personal consultations and always takes

donations.

)

Jackie

(group moderator)

> The idea of exercising I have been less quick to toss out, because I know I

need to gain weight, and if I am in ketosis, I will be burning all the fat on my

body, making it even slimmer. But I have also read how our bodies " even out " and

the 80% fat, 20% protein diet makes us gain muscle once we've gotten our immune

systems strong enough to start beating the candida (correct me if I'm wrong

please?). So I really should toss out that concept too.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ben,

as far as I understand you wanna make the full programm, just that you wanna

take antifungals and do sports in addition?

When I started the diet in october natural antifungals like oil of oregano were

still recommended in that programm, and as I overdid everything I also took

those with full dose right away. I think it depends how your body is, but I am

glad that Bee took them off the list, as my healing reactions were quite severe.

and I used to go to the gym...well, my body needs a lot of rest nowadays, and so

I temporarily stopped that too...I would not overwhelm my body if its not

necessary...what I wanna say: during this programm your body will show you what

is good for him. There are surely times where you have enough energy, but also

times where the detoxing and healing is so intense that you wont, so dont stress

about forcing yourselve to exercises

greetings!

tini

>

> Hey everyone

> I'm pretty new to this group (fourth post) and I've got a dilemma.

> I'm currently in a huge debate with myself in whether to follow the protocol

of diet and supplements listed here and use this program to get better or go

with my naturopath's program. I know I have candida and I'd expand on that but

I'd just be relisting the same symptoms as everyone else (sleepiness, fatigue,

headaches, acne, psoriasis, eczema, etc.).

> Her program includes probiotics (she claims that the ones that are coated with

enteric do actually reach the area where they are needed, and so they do help

quite a bit) and exercise (of three different types: aerobic, flexibility, and

weight training).

> I think she believes in building up the body in order to get the immune system

to kill off the candida (I'm 128 lbs right now and she wants me to get to 150

lbs) and she does not believe in using antifungals/antiyeasts to kill the

candida. I asked her to look at the diet plan on Bee's website and she approved

of it, though she had said in the past it was okay to eat berries and quinoa.

> Right now I'm finishing off a bottle of multivitamins because I don't want the

money to go to waste. The supplements are the only part of the program I'm not

doing (I am doing the cod liver oil, but I'm still taking probiotics because I'm

afraid to go off them under her guidance.

> I suppose I'm simply looking for some motivation in the way of why I should

stop the probiotics and why exercise other than the recommended exercises of dry

skin brushing and rebounding on a trampoline are able to stop or slow down the

healing process.

> Apologies for this being lengthy. I wanted to make sure I am doing the right

thing.

> Thank you to whomever replies. I'd appreciate a direct response from Bee

regarding the probiotics and exercise, but any and every response is welcome

> -Ben

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Ben,

---Hi Tini

> as far as I understand you wanna make the full programm, just that you wanna

take antifungals and do sports in addition?

---Not exactly... I want to know if I should follow Bee's program completely or

follow the naturopath's program completely. The main difference between the two

is the inclusion of probiotics and exercise in the naturopath's program.

> When I started the diet in october natural antifungals like oil of oregano

were still recommended in that programm, and as I overdid everything I also took

those with full dose right away. I think it depends how your body is, but I am

glad that Bee took them off the list, as my healing reactions were quite severe.

---Yeah, I tried to jog at only five mph at a slight incline for only three

minutes one day while on Bee's diet and for the rest of the day I felt very

nervous, sleepy, anxious, and well, you know the feeling. Very die-off-y.

and I used to go to the gym...well, my body needs a lot of rest nowadays, and so

I temporarily stopped that too...I would not overwhelm my body if its not

necessary...what I wanna say: during this programm your body will show you what

is good for him. There are surely times where you have enough energy, but also

times where the detoxing and healing is so intense that you wont, so dont stress

about forcing yourselve to exercises

---Good point! Thanks for the response

> greetings!

> tini

>

>