soy milk

August 11, 2003

When I started the diet 4 years ago, I was encouraged to eat and drink soy

products as a substitute to dairy and wheat. No matter how hard I tried, soy

made me feel awful. Later on, Dr D et al came out and said that maybe soy

wasn't all that good for Os. There are forms of soy that are full of poisons

and

can be very dangerous. Some websites you may want to visit to be a littled

more informed about soy are:

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HREF= " http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm " >http://www.mercola.\

com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm</A>

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HREF= " http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ " >http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/</A>

Hope this helps.

Max

August 11, 2003

ditto here - whatever changes i can make are good

ones, i figure. And you're right, this group is

great!

d

--- Monahan <tntenter@...> wrote:

I am taking this in very slowly, making

> switches here and there...I don't want to go

> too fast, or else it won't be a lifetime

> change!!

>

> Thanks for this group....it gives me daily

> motivation!!

>

> Well, unlike any other nutritional theory,

> today's discoveries are not

> written in stones as far as the 's work is

> concerned. God bless

> him!!!!!!

>

> While some soy can be tolerated by few in small

> amounts, regular

> consumption of it has been shown to cause

> digestive discomfort/trouble.

> It is simply not digested well by Os.

>

> As an O you have to realize that there are

> other sources of proteins

> that are way superior for your system. (Animal

> origin). Right now if you

> wanted to use soy it is the fermented type that

> is preferred like

> tempeh, miso, and soy sauce. The other problem

> is the added ingredients

> in soy milk like gums/sugar etc.

>

> The key to your well being is adequate daily

> protein intake, along with

> green leafy veggies, fruits, beneficial fats &

> lots of water & most

> importantly daily strenuous exercise.

>

> I hope this answered your question.

> Love

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

August 11, 2003

,

I couldn't agree more!

Arlene

> Thanks for this group....it gives me daily motivation!!

>

November 3, 2003

Thanks for the info about soy milk. My oldest son was thrilled to read

your message. Now he can make lavender milk bath with no animal

products. Your chocolate milk bath sound intriguing.

March 11, 2005

Have any of you tried Goats milk as a replacement for cows milk?

M.

March 11, 2005

Have any of you tried Goats milk as a replacement for cows milk?

M.

March 11, 2005

Hi Sue,

Two out of three of my girls are allergic to cows milk. They both

made the switch to soy milk without complaint. There are some brands

that they liked better than others and I usually stuck with the plain

rather than the flavored kinds to avoid the added sugar.

One word of caution on introducing soy to your child's diet, though.

Soy inhibits the uptake of thyroid hormone. For my youngest

(allergic to dairy, ds, and hypothyroidism) we couldn't solve her

hypothyroid problem as long as she was on a diet with substantial

amounts of soy. So, we removed soy milk and soy yogurt from her diet

and her thyroid levels became controlable.

Now, I have one daughter who drinks cows milk, one who drinks soy

milk and one who drinks rice milk. In order to reduce the chances of

constipation with the rice milk, I just give her rice milk mixed with

water. She would rather drink it like that than have one glass of

milk and one glass of water - she'd just forgo the water and ask for

more milk!

Since I've only recently taken off of soy products and she

can't have diary, I'm still wrestling with how to get her adequate

amounts of protein and calcium. Nutrition is a common thread on our

list!

On whether to limit Alyssa's cow's milk or not, I would first look at

whether constipation or excessive sinus mucus production are problems

that significanly impact her daily life. If so, it may make sense to

try other things. If not, you might try presenting water in

different formats at various times of day or do what we do and try

mixing milk and water.

Best of luck!

Suzanne

Mom to Kate (13), (9), (6ds)

March 11, 2005

Hi Sue,

Two out of three of my girls are allergic to cows milk. They both

made the switch to soy milk without complaint. There are some brands

that they liked better than others and I usually stuck with the plain

rather than the flavored kinds to avoid the added sugar.

One word of caution on introducing soy to your child's diet, though.

Soy inhibits the uptake of thyroid hormone. For my youngest

(allergic to dairy, ds, and hypothyroidism) we couldn't solve her

hypothyroid problem as long as she was on a diet with substantial

amounts of soy. So, we removed soy milk and soy yogurt from her diet

and her thyroid levels became controlable.

Now, I have one daughter who drinks cows milk, one who drinks soy

milk and one who drinks rice milk. In order to reduce the chances of

constipation with the rice milk, I just give her rice milk mixed with

water. She would rather drink it like that than have one glass of

milk and one glass of water - she'd just forgo the water and ask for

more milk!

Since I've only recently taken off of soy products and she

can't have diary, I'm still wrestling with how to get her adequate

amounts of protein and calcium. Nutrition is a common thread on our

list!

On whether to limit Alyssa's cow's milk or not, I would first look at

whether constipation or excessive sinus mucus production are problems

that significanly impact her daily life. If so, it may make sense to

try other things. If not, you might try presenting water in

different formats at various times of day or do what we do and try

mixing milk and water.

Best of luck!

Suzanne

Mom to Kate (13), (9), (6ds)

March 13, 2005

In a message dated 3/13/2005 5:00:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mom2alyssa3@... writes:

> Thanks to everyone for their input on the soy, goat and rice milk. But I

> guess my question was, is the " thing " in regular milk that causes

constipation,

> in soy, goat or rice milk.

Sue,

I think there are some similar proteins in soy and cow's milk that people

react to. To throw another option out, I used to buy almond milk for Liam when

I

was trying to figure out if cow's milk was increasing his mucus production.

I got it at the health food store.

Kathy, Liam's Mom (6)

April 1, 2005

I missed the soy chat, we prefer it generally to dairy but overall

don't like to rely on it, prefering veggie sources etc instead -myself

and dh and dd 22 ms.

In Vaccinations , " Mona Mercadante " <dbunim@c...> wrote:

> Hello,

> I know there was a decussion last week about soy milk. What do you

all feel about Silk Soy in the grocery???? Mona

>

April 4, 2005

In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:45:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

peacanpr@... writes:

What does dh and dd 22 ms mean

darling husband and darling daughter 22 months I think ?

April 7, 2005

>Finding 1 brand of soymilk was amazing> far less for finding something with less fat etc.

You can always make your own rice milk. Take a quart of water, 1 cup of cooked white rice, a teensy bit of salt and sugar (both optional), and whirl away. Strain into a bottle using a few layers of cheesecloth or a fine mesh strainer, and chill. Of course, you can also add some other flavorings to it, like vanilla or almond to make flavored milks, too.

> Makes it hard to find 'diety' stuff

Gee, and I complain how some things are hard to find in *this* city!

Sue in NJ

who's trying for a more simple life

April 7, 2005

Kris --

Where do you live? My family lived in Ghana, West Africa for a year. My husband now makes twice a year visits there. (He is a missionary.) We plan to go back when our two boys finish high school in three years.

kris alcs <chromechairs@...> wrote:

Sue,i live in a third world country in the middle ofnowhere lol.

Dacia <><

"Don't be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and , ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’ ” Mark 16:6-7www.DeafJesus.org

April 7, 2005

trinidad - island in the caribbean - yes its beautiful

but its tinyyyyy

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October 31, 2009

The only problem I've had making soy milk or tofu is finding the right kind of

soybeans. For good quality, one needs fresh beans and not those that have been

sitting in a warehouse for three or more years and are so tough it would take a

week of soaking before you could process them. (most plastic bagged dry-goods

aren't dated anymore) Some soy varieties are grown only for fresh shelled, for

flour, for oil or for sprouting; the flour and oil types will work for making

milk. Also they would have to be organic because wholesale distributors don't

distinguish between GMO and NonGMO and mix them indiscriminately.

Anybody with the beans, a kettle, a blender and cheese cloth can make soy milk.

Poor chinese peasants without any modern tools kept their babies alive with soy

milk, so a couple changes of your soak water ain't so tough compared to the

taste and nutrition of fresh soy milk. As for the cooking... let me tell you

that the taste of ANY dry shelled bean is just bad enough that you might prefer

to starve and if you ate them raw you'd be so sick you'd wish you haden't.

As an aside they do the same thing with GMO and nonGMO corn, mix 'em I mean.

Yummy.... High Fructose corn syrup, Fritos, Cheese-its, Corn flakes, Taco

shells, Cornbread mix, Doritos all from mixtures of GMO and nonGMO corn, Roundup

in your pop anyone? Guess what? Roundup or glyphosphate kills your skin on

contact but GMO corn and soy are immune to being contaminated but as Monsanto

hasen't patented GMO people YET, we can still be affected by second hand

exposure.

Sorry... does anyone need a used soapbox?

From: lescase@... <lescase@...>

Subject: soy milk

Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 9:36 AM

I think the prob. w/ soy is that it's heated to a high temp

and that kills

the good qualities. I've been doing almond and rice milk... but not

thrilled w/ their contents (carageenan, etc) but am too lazy to make my own!

should. !! leslie

November 2, 2009

Um, I thought that soy was not a good protein source for Os. Has that

changed? I haven't been on this group for a few years. When I checked

out the genotype diet, I got off soy as much as possible. Almond or rice

milk is good on cereal or in recipes, and it's not the best in a glass.

Ah well. I enjoy the meat, veggies, and fruit. I still miss some old

favorites, and I try not to go off the plan.

I with you on the GMO and large agribusiness. I get most of my foods

from the local, mostly organic farmers market and whole foods (don't get

started on that ibe, or I might get started).

E Long

O+ Gatherer in Austin

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> Sun Nov 1, 2009 10:39 am (PST)

>

> The only problem I've had making soy milk or tofu is finding the

> right kind of soybeans. For good quality, one needs fresh beans

> and not those that have been sitting in a warehouse for three or

> more years and are so tough it would take a week of soaking before

> you could process them. (most plastic bagged dry-goods aren't

> dated anymore) Some soy varieties are grown only for fresh

> shelled, for flour, for oil or for sprouting; the flour and oil

> types will work for making milk. Also they would have to be

> organic because wholesale distributors don't distinguish between

> GMO and NonGMO and mix them indiscriminately.

>

> Anybody with the beans, a kettle, a blender and cheese cloth can

> make soy milk. Poor chinese peasants without any modern tools kept

> their babies alive with soy milk, so a couple changes of your soak

> water ain't so tough compared to the taste and nutrition of fresh

> soy milk. As for the cooking... let me tell you that the taste of

> ANY dry shelled bean is just bad enough that you might prefer to

> starve and if you ate them raw you'd be so sick you'd wish you

> haden't.

>

> As an aside they do the same thing with GMO and nonGMO corn, mix

> 'em I mean. Yummy.... High Fructose corn syrup, Fritos,

> Cheese-its, Corn flakes, Taco shells, Cornbread mix, Doritos all

> from mixtures of GMO and nonGMO corn, Roundup in your pop anyone?

> Guess what? Roundup or glyphosphate kills your skin on contact but

> GMO corn and soy are immune to being contaminated but as Monsanto

> hasen't patented GMO people YET, we can still be affected by

> second hand exposure.

>

> Sorry... does anyone need a used soapbox?

>

November 2, 2009

I don't think that has changed. I won't use it, but that is my personal opinion.

Re: soy milk