soy milk

[Guest guest]

Oh, goody. Well, at least he is almost the age to be off formula!

YIPPIE! He likes table food alot, so hopefully it won't be a problem to

get him off of it!

Shalia-

thanks for your help, too!

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>I understood infant forumal soy milk had unusually high levels of

aluminum in it which could be harmful

>

>Seb

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I'm scared now. How soon can a baby be weaned off

formula safely? He eats four meals a day, but he is only 8 1/2 months

old. (born 5/24/98). I don't like the thought of him getting alot of

aluminum. Ugh. I wish I were still nursing... what are the chances of

relactating? I still have some colostrum... I wish I were still

nursing... I wish I were still nursing... I HATE having to worry about

the formula! ACK! (If anyone wants to know why I stopped, I had to go

back to work so we could live, and someone at work stole my breast pump.

I went to WIC to see if they would replace it, but they said they

couldn't. But they would give me free formula. So he started getting

formula when I was at work, and I tried hand expressing, but I kept

losing my BM. And Tyler started much preferring the bottle. Less work,

you know. I still want to cry that he isn't nursing. I miss it so

much. Oh, well, such is life, I guess.) Well, enough of a novel from

me!

Thanks for the info, even if it does scare me!

Shalia

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>

>JPEN J Parenter Enteral Nutr 1988 Mar-Apr;12(2):170-3

>

>Aluminum contamination of infant formulas.

>

>Koo WW, Kaplan LA, Krug-Wispe SK

>

>Department of Pediatrics, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada.

>

>This study aims to determine the extent of aluminum (Al) contamination

in

>whole milk, milk formulas, and other nutrient products

>commonly used for infants. Similar products from different

manufacturers and

>different lots were measured for Al using

>electrothermal atomic absorption technique. Aluminum measurements were

made

>directly from the samples or after

>reconstitution or dilution with Al-free water. Aluminum content was

lowest

>(less than 50 micrograms/liter) in human milk, whole

>cow milk, and products that appear to require minimal manufacture

processing

>and have few additives such as skim milk, cow

>milk with 2% fat, bottled glucose water, and sterile water. Highest Al

>levels (up to 2346 micrograms/liter) were found in highly

>processed and modified formulas including soy formula, preterm infant

>formula, and formulas for specific metabolic disorders.

>Aluminum content of humanized cow milk formula and bottled

>glucose-electrolyte solution were between the two ranges and

>usually less than 400 micrograms/liter. There were no significant

>differences in Al content of similar products from different

>manufacturers. Liquid formula stored in glass bottles has highest Al

content

>compared to that stored in steel cans or powder

>preparation of the same product (p less than 0.05). Thus there are

marked

>differences in Al loading depending on the type of

>formula, whether it is a powder or liquid preparation and the type of

>storage container. We speculate that raw materials such as

>soybean, additives such as calcium and phosphorus, manufacturing

processes

>and storage containers are potential sources of

>contamination of infant formulas.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It wasn't a very expensive one, just one of those small electric ones by

Medela. Maybe $100? But there are SOOOOOOOOOOO many pregnant women

where I work... I was so upset when I found it missing. I felt like

someone had stolen from my baby. (Well, in effect, they did!) I still

want to cry when I realize he won't ever nurse again. I loved him

nursing. I loved having him in bed with us. (Still does, sometimes,

but he actually sleeps better in his own bed!) He doesn't like me to

carry him much, thinks his sling is an instrument of torture now that he

can move on his own. After all, he has places to go and messes to make!

He doesn't have time to snuggle with mommy! Pardon me, I think I'm

gonna go weep now! I really hate it, though, since we didn't have an

extra penny to our name when it dissappeared that I had to switch. I

was trying so hard to do things " right " . Exclusively BFing, not

vaccinating, no antibiotics, ect. And then I feel like I had nursing

" stolen " from me! I really wish WIC would have helped with a pump.

Even letting me borrow one... Oh, well. And Tyler has been sick a

couple of times since I stopped nursing, which REALLY helps me know all

those statistics are right. He's had numerous ear infections, and was

nearly hospitalized for Rotavirus. More reasons I wish I were still

nursing. I am friends with my local LLL leader. I'll have to give her

a call. I also will have to talk to my DH, since he is kind of happy

" his " breasts are back to normal. (He was NOT happy being sprayed!)

Well, thanks for letting my vent/cry/blabber/whatever!

Shalia

P.S. I promise I will do a formal intro sometime! Haven't gotten

around to it yet, but I will!

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>In a message dated 2/16/99 10:36:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>rands68@... writes:

>

><< I wish I were still nursing... what are the chances of

> relactating? I still have some colostrum... I wish I were still

> nursing... I wish I were still nursing... I HATE having to worry

about

> the formula! ACK! (If anyone wants to know why I stopped, I had to

go

> back to work so we could live, and someone at work stole my breast

pump.

> I went to WIC to see if they would replace it, but they said they

> couldn't. But they would give me free formula. >>

>

>Shalia,

>You can relactate, although I've heard that it is difficult, but I

would think

>it might be worth it, considering your well-founded fears of formula.

Try the

>La Leche League website <A HREF= " http://www.lalecheleague.org/ " >La

Leche

>League International--Breastfeeding ...</A> or call the LLL in your

area. I'm

>sure they would help you. What kind of pump were you using that got

stolen?

>That's absolutely horrible! What are people thinking?

>

>Maggie

>

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>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/99 10:36:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rands68@... writes:

<< I wish I were still nursing... what are the chances of

relactating? I still have some colostrum... I wish I were still

nursing... I wish I were still nursing... I HATE having to worry about

the formula! ACK! (If anyone wants to know why I stopped, I had to go

back to work so we could live, and someone at work stole my breast pump.

I went to WIC to see if they would replace it, but they said they

couldn't. But they would give me free formula. >>

Shalia,

You can relactate, although I've heard that it is difficult, but I would think

it might be worth it, considering your well-founded fears of formula. Try the

La Leche League website <A HREF= " http://www.lalecheleague.org/ " >La Leche

League International--Breastfeeding ...</A> or call the LLL in your area. I'm

sure they would help you. What kind of pump were you using that got stolen?

That's absolutely horrible! What are people thinking?

Maggie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/99 8:36:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

rands68@... writes:

<< How soon can a baby be weaned off

formula safely? He eats four meals a day, but he is only 8 1/2 months

old. (born 5/24/98). I don't like the thought of him getting alot of

aluminum. Ugh. I wish I were still nursing... what are the chances of

relactating? I still have some colostrum... I wish I were still

nursing... I wish I were still nursing... >>

oh you should be able to relactate pretty easily, especially if you can still

express something.. call your local La Leche League or a lactation consultant.

I could almost bet their advice to you would be simply to put the child to

your breast and have him/her start nursing again.. the more they suckle, the

sooner you'll start to relactate.

Lauri

[Guest guest]

When I weaned my first daughter we tried milk based and she got a rash all

over and threw up, we switched to soy,(I was going to use soy first I wish I

had), She drank it till she was 5 and when my second daughter weaned we went

to soy(isomil) first and with my third I plan to nurse for atleast the first

year+ and my girls still drink soy milk, Edon Soy from health food store and

drink juice with calcium. I heard soy was good for your health. Eastern

people use a lot of soy, something about a study with them.???

Hope this gives you a perspective.

Dawn

Re: goats milk

> Cory,

> Thanks so much for the info. Why does the soy have a high Aluminum and

> not the milk based? A chiropractor who first helped me learn about the

> vaccine issue, told me soy was best! After your 2nd child was off

> formula what did she drink? Is soymilk ok? I dont like the thought of

> cows milk!

>

> Thanks alot,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/1/1999 8:19:25 AM Central Daylight Time,

tobin@... writes:

<< I heard soy was good for your health. >>

Not sure if this really needs saying - but I thought Id go ahead anyway. Soy

is a common allergen - my eldest has a severe allergy to soy, peanuts, and

egg. Please be cautious when introducing any formula to babies - its hard to

recognize allergies in infants.

Bright Blessings

Jana

[Guest guest]

why is almond milk a no no? I thought it was ok

>From: " Judith Scholler " <jscholler2412@...>

>Reply-onelist

>onelist

>CC: jscholler2412@...

>Subject: Soy Milk

>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 10:30:13 -0800

>

>From: " Judith Scholler " <jscholler2412@...>

>

>To anyone having difficulty with soy milk. .Have you tried White Wave

>Silk?. I find it to be quite acceptable to my palate even though it has a

>small amount of vanilla. You also might want to try almond milk. .It has a

>few more no-no's as I remember, but it also is tolerable in the taste

>department.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think I read someplace that the Compound X will work with. you're supposed

to put a small dab between 2 small pieces of bread or in a capsule and

swallow. I've not had personal experience with this, but I'm told that

compound X is natures chemotherapy. They also tell me that not many people

can keep it down for long. But I would think that the smaller the dab the

more likely you could keep it down, then work your way up.

It may be with a try. The tumor I get on my hand just dries up and falls off

in just a couple of weeks with this.

Klaus

In a message dated 7/29/01 10:22:52 AM, randr@... writes:

>Hi , My husband has stage 4 stomach cancer, metastised to his liver,

>he has not been eating/drinking milk as we read that this is mucas

>forming and bad for the liver, does anyone know if he can take

>Soymilk instead. He is following a diet that is meat free,mostly

>dairy free (just a little yoghurt and cottage cheese), no sugar or

>salt, mostly grains and beans ,veg and fruit, he has been taking

>essiac for 8 weeks and MGN3 for about 4 weeks + vitamins,garlic and

>he just finished a 21 day liver flush. However he says he does not

>feel like he is improving , he goes for a catscan in 2 weeks, the

>last one 6 weeks ago shows all tumers were still growing, the doc

>wants him to have chemo via a picc catherta for 5 weeks + a mega dose

>every 3 weeks, we really wanted a natural cure, but time is not on

>our side, if the tumors are still growing we feel we have no choice

>but to try the chemo in the hope that it will debulk him and then

>give the natural stuff a better chance, anyone got any input on

>this ?? or the milk thing,.

>Thanks .

[Guest guest]

cures for cancer

From: randr@...

Date sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:22:18 -0000

Send reply to: cures for cancer

Subject: Soy Milk

> Hi , My husband has stage 4 stomach cancer, metastised to his liver, he

> has not been eating/drinking milk as we read that this is mucas forming

> and bad for the liver, does anyone know if he can take Soymilk instead. He

> is following a diet that is meat free,mostly dairy free (just a little

> yoghurt and cottage cheese), no sugar or salt, mostly grains and beans

> ,veg and fruit, he has been taking essiac for 8 weeks and MGN3 for about 4

> weeks + vitamins,garlic and he just finished a 21 day liver flush. However

> he says he does not feel like he is improving

Hi ,

In my opinion the protocol he is following will not

stop the

tumor. Firstly he is not taking a macrophage activator, like a mushroom extract

or yeast

beta glucan (2 or 3 gms daily). MGN is not a macrophage activator, but would be

OK to

take in addition to a macrophage activator.

Secondly, even if he did take a macrophage activator that would not help as

the

macrophage would not be able to identify the tumor, due to the slime coating of

the tumor

hiding it from the macrophage. Proteolytic enzymes are used to remove the slime.

Home

made pineapple and paw paw (papaya) juice, plus an enzyme complex including

bromelain,

papayain and pancreatic enzymes.

Thirdly, he is not stimulating the bone marrow to manufacture more immune

cells by

taking Spirulina powder, 3 to 6 heaped teaspoons a day.

Fourthly you do not mention vitamin C, 5 to 10 gms a day.

Also he is not taking L-selenomethionine 1000 mcg a day with Vitamin E

1200 I.U. a

day.

The issue of soy milk is not very significant, so milk would seem OK to

take.

The diet is good, most people take a raw vegetable juice based diet made

in a slow

speed juicer.

moonbeam

, he goes for a catscan in 2

> weeks, the last one 6 weeks ago shows all tumers were still growing, the

> doc wants him to have chemo via a picc catherta for 5 weeks + a mega dose

> every 3 weeks, we really wanted a natural cure, but time is not on our

> side, if the tumors are still growing we feel we have no choice but to try

> the chemo in the hope that it will debulk him and then give the natural

> stuff a better chance, anyone got any input on this ?? or the milk thing,.

> Thanks .

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ok...

From what I have heard there is a concern that Women who drink soy may have a

higher risk of cancer due to the isoflavanoids that are estrogenlike. Also,

baby boys and pregnant women carying a male fetus may be at risk for having

penile abnormalities due to all the " estrogen " in soy products.

Or so I have heard.

~Em~

Attached, Non vaxing, Non-spanking, Gently Guiding, Co-bedding SAHM to my

miracle daughter, Sophie Joyce 9/8/00-Will be home-schooled!

Wife, Soulmate, Lover and Eternal Friend to 11/11/99

TTC #2, but no luck yet.

Want to see what those harmless vaccines can do? Read my daughter's story:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/February2002/Sophie'sStory.htm

<A

HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/February2002/Sophie'sStory.htm "

>

Sophie's Story - A Terrible, Typical Tale</A>

[Guest guest]

<<Actually, Westsoy Organic Original is sweetened w/brown rice syrup and

avoid-free.>>

For you secretors, of course. Only molasses and glycerine are acceptable

sweeteners for us nonnies.

Dianne in L.A.

The voice of doom.. . whoops! I meant voice of the O nonnie :-)

[Guest guest]

>

>Actually, Westsoy Organic Original is sweetened w/brown rice syrup and

>avoid-free.

>

>-R

>

> > Just make sure that the soy milk is unsweetened - otherwise it is loaded

> > with avoids.

>

FYI...Silk now makes an unsweetened version. Just curious, what's wrong with

Naturally Milled Organic Evaporated Cane Juice? Which is in the other Silk

products

-Amy O+ Sec, biased Silk advocate....

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/8/2002 5:20:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

amyrmk@... writes:

<< I know, Soy bad even for secretors? >>

I'll jump in here and say that instead of soy milk that makes me sick, I use

cream in occasional baking etc and have had no adverse effects whatsoever. I

have also used real cream in making Ice cream and had the same result. It

was great.

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy - " " " biased Silk advocate.... " " "

I know it's your life, but using soy on a regular basis isn't O friendly

at all.

Love

Re: Soy Milk

>

>Actually, Westsoy Organic Original is sweetened w/brown rice syrup and

>avoid-free.

>

>-R

>

> > Just make sure that the soy milk is unsweetened - otherwise it is

loaded

> > with avoids.

>

FYI...Silk now makes an unsweetened version. Just curious, what's wrong

with

Naturally Milled Organic Evaporated Cane Juice? Which is in the other

Silk

products

-Amy O+ Sec, biased Silk advocate....

_________________________________________________________________

Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I know, Soy bad even for secretors? I try not to drink too much, just the

Mocha (bad bad bad caffeine and other gobbly gook I'm sure), cause it's too

yummy, and free! but what about the sugar " Naturally Milled Organic

Evaporated Cane Juice " where does that fall for O secretors?

>From: " Dekany " <info@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Soy Milk

>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:01:49 -0400

>

>Hi Amy - " " " biased Silk advocate.... " " "

>

>I know it's your life, but using soy on a regular basis isn't O friendly

>at all.

>Love

>

>

> Re: Soy Milk

>

> >

> >Actually, Westsoy Organic Original is sweetened w/brown rice syrup and

> >avoid-free.

> >

> >-R

> >

> > > Just make sure that the soy milk is unsweetened - otherwise it is

>loaded

> > > with avoids.

> >

>

>

>

>FYI...Silk now makes an unsweetened version. Just curious, what's wrong

>with

>Naturally Milled Organic Evaporated Cane Juice? Which is in the other

>Silk

>products

>-Amy O+ Sec, biased Silk advocate....

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been reading all the commentary on this list for one week now, ( I just

joined) and I've caught several times you aren't allowed to have soy milk

(re:below cut and paste by Dekany ). Yet in the book " Eat Right for

your Type " under the Dairy and Eggs section D'adamo states " Soy milk and soy

cheese are excellent, high-protein alternatives " . It is also listed under

Neutral, not under the avoid......

So as you can tell I am confused.....I'm trying to understand why it's a no-no

now.

thanks in advance for any info on this.

p.s. I did eliminate milk from my diet, but have 1 cup of soy milk a day.....

Dekany <info@...> wrote:

> - soy is a no no.

> Use eggs, egg protein, rice protein instead of soy

> in that order.

[Guest guest]

Well, unlike any other nutritional theory, today's discoveries are not

written in stones as far as the 's work is concerned. God bless

him!!!!!!

While some soy can be tolerated by few in small amounts, regular

consumption of it has been shown to cause digestive discomfort/trouble.

It is simply not digested well by Os.

As an O you have to realize that there are other sources of proteins

that are way superior for your system. (Animal origin). Right now if you

wanted to use soy it is the fermented type that is preferred like

tempeh, miso, and soy sauce. The other problem is the added ingredients

in soy milk like gums/sugar etc.

The key to your well being is adequate daily protein intake, along with

green leafy veggies, fruits, beneficial fats & lots of water & most

importantly daily strenuous exercise.

I hope this answered your question.

Love

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<http://foodforyourbloodn.goemerchant7.com/> to get your blood type

friendly supplements.

re:soy milk

I have been reading all the commentary on this list for one week now, (

I just joined) and I've caught several times you aren't allowed to have

soy milk (re:below cut and paste by Dekany ). Yet in the book

" Eat Right for your Type " under the Dairy and Eggs section D'adamo

states " Soy milk and soy cheese are excellent, high-protein

alternatives " . It is also listed under Neutral, not under the

avoid......

So as you can tell I am confused.....I'm trying to understand why it's a

no-no now.

thanks in advance for any info on this.

p.s. I did eliminate milk from my diet, but have 1 cup of soy milk a

day.....

Dekany <info@...> wrote:

> - soy is a no no.

> Use eggs, egg protein, rice protein instead of soy

> in that order.

[Guest guest]

I have found 's opinion about O's not tolerating soy to be true

for me. I relied on soy pretty heavily when following a vegetarian

diet to avoid foods while on an elimination diet. This diet was

advised in a book called Foods That Fight Pain by Neal Barnard MD.

While eliminating certain foods did indeed give me tremendous relief,

I became " ill " in another way and couldn't seem to find the

cause...duh!! When I finally read about soy products on the web,

their history and the way they process them, I gave them up and

BINGO, my secondary illness went completely away!!!

Although the book says I can have certain things...I have to tailor

even this program to meet my individual parameters. So you might

find the same thing with differnt foods...maybe not necessarily the

soy, but other things that O's may find tasty, but our bodies find

yuckie!

Good luck,

> > - soy is a no no.

> > Use eggs, egg protein, rice protein instead of soy

> > in that order.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What about Bragg Liquid Aminos? Is it fermented? Is it OK to use or

should I just always use wheat free tamari?

The Soy Dreams brand soy milk is the only one I have found that does

not have any secretor avoids in it such as gums, although it still

has plenty of sugars. I have never found any commercial almond or

rice milk that didn't have some O secretor avoids.

I buy the Soy Dreams soy milk for my kids to use with cereal and a

few recipes that I occasionally make that call for milk. I would

rather use soy milk then regular milk because of the sinus problems

my son and I have. I know giving up dairy really reduced my mucus

production!

I know the kids should not eat cereal. I am still working on weaning

them from it. It is hard for them to give it up! At least it is OK

cereal ;-)

Don

Right now if you wanted to use soy it is the fermented type that is

preferred like tempeh, miso, and soy sauce.

The other problem is the added ingredients in soy milk like

gums/sugar etc.

> I hope this answered your question.

> Love

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I only buy the OK cereals now, rice, oats, kamut, etc. I just wish

my kids didn't want to eat cereal almost every day. I am sure things

would be different if when they are with their mother she would

follow ER4YT too. I think she has made some changes in their diet,

but not many or consistently. She is type O too.

One of Heidi's replies, 28 May 2002, recommended Bragg Liquid Aminos

to a type O. I am a little confused about if I should continue to

use it or not. I certainly don't use much of it. I only use it when

the meat I am eating is a little too dry ;-)

Don

> Don,

> Rice cereal with no avoids and rice bran are OK for cereal, also,

with no

> health problems, oatmeal is good, if the kids with eat these. Isn't

there a

> Cream of Rice also? I think I've heard of it, but this small town

area

> doesn't have it in the grocery store.

> Because many O's have a problem when they have too much soy or

avoids, Heidi

> advises O's to have the wheat free tamari.

>

[Guest guest]

The morning cereal Quinoa works real well for me and I prefer to put

something on it. Does anyone have any idea of what I might add to it that would

give

a little more flavor. I am currently eating very little as most things

simply don't work. Fortunately I am drinking lots of the lifesaving Metagenic

products and am forever grateful for them. Feeling better each

day....espcially days that I avoid most foods....and that does sometimes get

hard...............but the more I experience what foods do to me the easier it

is to avoid

them. I am typ O and use to be addicted to flavored soy

milk.........................my colitus bought was initiated by taking a strong

antibiotic,

Keflex, but then I was under a ton of stress and drinking lots of soy

milk............................so all of that certainly played it's part.

Metagenics is wonderful..............before that I was trying to do the

" specfic carbohydrate diet " ...from the book " Breaking the Vicious Cycle,

Intestinal

Health Through Diet " ....it simply wasn't turning things around.

Momma Lu UC since fall 03

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the quick responses......

Yes I am making my own soy milk, with the Soya Joy Maker.

and don't add all the weird gums, etc. Obviously I don't add any

preservatives, and add a small trace of sea salt, and Turbinado sugar.

I am using non-gmo organic soy beans.......I thought I was being good!!! So

now with that info, what's the verdict??

I have been avoiding milk, cheese (I don't care for any of the beneficial ones

yet) Ice cream, and bread, and I have been feeling great!! I did have some

no-no's this week-end at a family reunion, and I felt TERRIBLE!!

I am taking this in very slowly, making switches here and there...I don't want

to go too fast, or else it won't be a lifetime change!!

Thanks for this group....it gives me daily motivation!!

Well, unlike any other nutritional theory, today's discoveries are not

written in stones as far as the 's work is concerned. God bless

him!!!!!!

While some soy can be tolerated by few in small amounts, regular

consumption of it has been shown to cause digestive discomfort/trouble.

It is simply not digested well by Os.

As an O you have to realize that there are other sources of proteins

that are way superior for your system. (Animal origin). Right now if you

wanted to use soy it is the fermented type that is preferred like

tempeh, miso, and soy sauce. The other problem is the added ingredients

in soy milk like gums/sugar etc.

The key to your well being is adequate daily protein intake, along with

green leafy veggies, fruits, beneficial fats & lots of water & most

importantly daily strenuous exercise.

I hope this answered your question.

Love

[Guest guest]

When I started the diet 4 years ago, I was encouraged to eat and drink soy

products as a substitute to dairy and wheat. No matter how hard I tried, soy

made me feel awful. Later on, Dr D et al came out and said that maybe soy

wasn't all that good for Os. There are forms of soy that are full of poisons

and

can be very dangerous. Some websites you may want to visit to be a littled

more informed about soy are:

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HREF= " http://www.karinya.com/soydangers.htm " >http://www.karinya.com/soydangers.h\

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HREF= " http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm " >http://www.mercola.\

com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm</A>

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HREF= " http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm " >http://www.mercola.com/a\

rticle/soy/avoid_soy.htm</A>

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HREF= " http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ " >http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/</A>

Hope this helps.

Max

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/11/2003 12:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tntenter@... writes:

> I have been avoiding milk, cheese (I don't care for any of the beneficial

> ones yet) Ice cream, and bread, and I have been feeling great!! I did have

> some no-no's this week-end at a family reunion, and I felt TERRIBLE!!

>

Good for you!!!!! Your getting your body detoxed. After 4 years on the

diet, if I cheat much (especially grains), I'm sick for 2 days like a hangover.