Guest guest Posted May 30, 1999 Report Share Posted May 30, 1999 Would like to know what everyone does for pain when they get a headache, or the body aches when they get the flu, or flu like symptoms from interfuron. Thank you, Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 1999 Report Share Posted May 30, 1999 Hi Cleo, I have Arthritis and I'm also taking interferon which causes headaches, muscle aches, etc. Since the amount of ibuprofen or tylenol that I'd need to take to releave my pains would be harmful for my liver, my doctor has me taking Darvon, 65mg. when needed for pain. It works great for my pain, but I also have to take an ibuprofen for fever at times (just not on a regular basis). Darvon has nothing for fever. Good luck, Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 1999 Report Share Posted May 30, 1999 I take three asprin and a 10 mg campozine about 45 mins before i do my shot.and it helps very very much..Rowena CleoraB@... wrote: > From: CleoraB@... > > Would like to know what everyone does for pain when they get a headache, or > the body aches when they get the flu, or flu like symptoms from interfuron. > Thank you, > Cleo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? > > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 hi, a hot bath with good ol' epsom salts has been doing wonders for my muscles cramps. if you have a partner have her/him massage your muscles right after your bath, while they are still warm. talyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it helps me when I need an added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle aches and joint aches. It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps me. It's a cream you rub on the area that hurts. alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://www.flash.net/~alleypat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it helps me when I need an added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle aches and joint aches. It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps me. It's a cream you rub on the area that hurts. alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://www.flash.net/~alleypat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it helps me when I need an added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle aches and joint aches. It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps me. It's a cream you rub on the area that hurts. alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://www.flash.net/~alleypat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it helps me when I need an added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle aches and joint aches. It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps me. It's a cream you rub on the area that hurts. alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://www.flash.net/~alleypat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Speaking of creams a lady told me about one that worked very good. It is called Mobisyl. She told me the only place she had found it was in Walgreens, but that was in FL. I got some of it and it really did work had tried Aspercreme, Flexerall and others and they did not work. Even, the one workmen's comp Dr gave me for bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, does not work as well as the Mobisyl (the colors on the box are red, white and blue she told me to help me find it)........Connie --- alley/ <alleypat@...> wrote: > Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it > helps me when I need an > added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle > aches and joint aches. > It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps > me. It's a cream you rub > on the area that hurts. > alley/ > ICQ 12631861 > alleypat@... > http://www.flash.net/~alleypat > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Speaking of creams a lady told me about one that worked very good. It is called Mobisyl. She told me the only place she had found it was in Walgreens, but that was in FL. I got some of it and it really did work had tried Aspercreme, Flexerall and others and they did not work. Even, the one workmen's comp Dr gave me for bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, does not work as well as the Mobisyl (the colors on the box are red, white and blue she told me to help me find it)........Connie --- alley/ <alleypat@...> wrote: > Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it > helps me when I need an > added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle > aches and joint aches. > It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps > me. It's a cream you rub > on the area that hurts. > alley/ > ICQ 12631861 > alleypat@... > http://www.flash.net/~alleypat > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Speaking of creams a lady told me about one that worked very good. It is called Mobisyl. She told me the only place she had found it was in Walgreens, but that was in FL. I got some of it and it really did work had tried Aspercreme, Flexerall and others and they did not work. Even, the one workmen's comp Dr gave me for bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, does not work as well as the Mobisyl (the colors on the box are red, white and blue she told me to help me find it)........Connie --- alley/ <alleypat@...> wrote: > Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it > helps me when I need an > added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle > aches and joint aches. > It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps > me. It's a cream you rub > on the area that hurts. > alley/ > ICQ 12631861 > alleypat@... > http://www.flash.net/~alleypat > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 Speaking of creams a lady told me about one that worked very good. It is called Mobisyl. She told me the only place she had found it was in Walgreens, but that was in FL. I got some of it and it really did work had tried Aspercreme, Flexerall and others and they did not work. Even, the one workmen's comp Dr gave me for bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, does not work as well as the Mobisyl (the colors on the box are red, white and blue she told me to help me find it)........Connie --- alley/ <alleypat@...> wrote: > Gail have you tried the creme called Aspercreme? it > helps me when I need an > added boost to my aspirin or something for muscle > aches and joint aches. > It's no cure and is just a temp solution but helps > me. It's a cream you rub > on the area that hurts. > alley/ > ICQ 12631861 > alleypat@... > http://www.flash.net/~alleypat > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 In a message dated 9/19/00 1:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lewismiller@... writes: << I now ask does anyone take anything for pain that works well without being so rough on the stomach,,thank you,,lp friend lewis >> , I take Tylenol for pain which it doesn't upset my stomach. Soaking in a warm tub works as well as propping yourself up with plenty of pillows when you sleep. Another thing is invest in a back massager. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 I am no expert, but wasn't marijuana touted as an anti-nausea agent and an appetite stimulant? There is the argument that other, effective drugs are available and are routinely given to stem the nausea from chemotherapy. Pain medication is another story. New drugs are available to stem pain, but tight controls seem necessary since some of these drugs are now being diverted to the illicit drug market (e.g. Oxicontin). --- Judit Luger <luger@...> wrote: > The use of Mariuana for pain relief has been > legalized in Canada. (Last > week). I remember when people doing chemotherapy had > to buy the stuff > illegally in order to stiffle the pain caused by > some of the unbearable > side effects of chemo. Some of them can be worse > than the cancer per se. > Pain is a terrible thing that can completely > demoralize a person. But I > don't really think that cancer patients want to > spend a part of their life > sleeping (morphine and others) that is a side effect > of these pain killers. > What are the side effects of mariuana? Can one still > function while smoking > or eating (?) it? > A stupid question but I really want an answer. Judit > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 check out marijuana at these sites: http://www.whitman.edu/offices_departments/biology/Stuproj/YoungB/ http://www.allsands.com/Health/Alternative/effectsofmari_xho_gn.htm http://archive.nandotimes.com/newsroom/ntn/nation/082196/nation7_902.html http://www.whitman.edu/offices_departments/biology/Stuproj/YoungB/physio.htm l I hope this helps to answer your questions. Re: Pain Relief > The use of Mariuana for pain relief has been legalized in Canada. (Last > week). I remember when people doing chemotherapy had to buy the stuff > illegally in order to stiffle the pain caused by some of the unbearable > side effects of chemo. Some of them can be worse than the cancer per se. > Pain is a terrible thing that can completely demoralize a person. But I > don't really think that cancer patients want to spend a part of their life > sleeping (morphine and others) that is a side effect of these pain killers. > What are the side effects of mariuana? Can one still function while smoking > or eating (?) it? > A stupid question but I really want an answer. Judit > > > > Let's keep the list UNCLUTTERED!!! > > To do ANY HOUSEKEEPING business such as changing the way you get mail, please go to mygoups or mail me at > scott_fs@.... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 The use of Mariuana for pain relief has been legalized in Canada. (Last week). I remember when people doing chemotherapy had to buy the stuff illegally in order to stiffle the pain caused by some of the unbearable side effects of chemo. Some of them can be worse than the cancer per se. Pain is a terrible thing that can completely demoralize a person. But I don't really think that cancer patients want to spend a part of their life sleeping (morphine and others) that is a side effect of these pain killers. What are the side effects of mariuana? Can one still function while smoking or eating (?) it? A stupid question but I really want an answer. Judit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Hey ,, How have you been doing? I know what your going thru!! The other day at the hospital the ER doctor asked me,,, so what is a good day like for you? I said I dont have good days anymore!!! lol,,,,, your right,,, people like us with chronic conditons that there is no cure for have to have some relief,,,,, I will never be able to live without pain meds,, and will be on them for the rest of my life,,, unless by some miracle there is a cure for the conditions that I have,,,, so why worry about addictions? I hope you and your sons are doing well,,,, pain relief Hello all, I have generalized chronic muskoskeletal as well as joint pain (if my pain is a "6" on a scale from 1 - 10, I'm grateful, seriously...I cannot remember what it feels like not to hurt, only that there once was such a time in my life) from various chronic health conditions. I take a combination of Darvocet 100, Fioricet, and at night, Soma is added to the "cocktail". This "cocktail" works for me, though I have noticed that I have now reached a point where I need to take it more often that I used to due to increased tolerance. I plan to discuss alternate pain control at my next appt. I ceased being concerned about becoming addicted long ago. I have to live and function on some level, and we make trade-offs, don't we? Unfortunately, I cannot tolerate hydracodone, coedine, vicadin, or some of the other more effective pain medications due to my IBS. I know there are risks, as do ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ The Being Sick CommunityMessage Archives and Digest Attachment Pictures:-/messagesChat:- Scheduled Daily Chats at /chatBookmarks:-Add a website URL you have found useful./linksPersonal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator email: -owner Subscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit:- /joinTo subscribe or unsubscribe please email:--subscribe -unsubscribe ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~When nothing is sure, everything is possible.--- Margaret Drabble~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Hello I've always wondered about that 1 to 10 pain scale that they use. At the hospital, they asked me to rate the pain on a scale of 1 to 10, I said " It's the most pain that I've ever had so I would rate it a 10. " , the nurse said " No, 10 is when your arms or legs have been cut off. " and I answered " That's never happened to me so it's not a valid reference point for me. " . Which beta blocker was it that made you faint? I fainted once while we were working up the dosage on Coreg but after a while, the body adapts to the beta blocker. My Cardiologist actually said that the beta blocker would make me feel worse for a while. If I skip a couple of doses and get back on the same dosage level, I'm a bit wobbly for a few hours. Regards, ~Lonestar Rose~ wrote: > Hello all, > > I have generalized chronic muskoskeletal as well as joint pain (if my > pain is a " 6 " on a scale from 1 - 10, I'm grateful, seriously...I > cannot remember what it feels like not to hurt, only that there once > was such a time in my life) from various chronic health conditions. I > take a combination of Darvocet 100, Fioricet, and at night, Soma is > added to the " cocktail " . This " cocktail " works for me, though I have > noticed that I have now reached a point where I need to take it more > often that I used to due to increased tolerance. I plan to discuss > alternate pain control at my next appt. I ceased being concerned > about becoming addicted long ago. I have to live and function on some > level, and we make trade-offs, don't we? Unfortunately, I cannot > tolerate hydracodone, coedine, vicadin, or some of the other more > effective pain medications due to my IBS. & n! bsp;I know there are > risks, as does my dr., but I have to be able to function to some > degree without hurting so badly that I want to bite holes in the walls > and/or cry all day and night from pain....and I DO have a high pain > tolerance....in fact, I've gotten so used to hurting, it has > periodically caused me to ignore serious infections/illness because I > simply attributed my symptoms to the pain which I live with > 24-7....until high fever or some new symptom (like high fever) sent me > to the hospital, sometimes by ambulance. My cardiologist added > Proatimine to my daily Rx regime today for my Neurocardiogenic > Syncope. The beta blocker he first put me on only worsened my > fainting and near-fainting spells and made me feel horrible all the > time. I hope this new drug helps, and so does my dr. > Love, > > > > ... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Jon Love your response "No, 10 is when your arms or legs have been cut off." and I answered "That's never happened to me so it's not a valid reference point for me.". I think Im gonna use that one next time!!! lol Re: pain relief Hello I've always wondered about that 1 to 10 pain scale that they use. At the hospital, they asked me to rate the pain on a scale of 1 to 10, I said "It's the most pain that I've ever had so I would rate it a 10.", the nurse said "No, 10 is when your arms or legs have been cut off." and I answered "That's never happened to me so it's not a valid reference point for me.".Which beta blocker was it that made you faint? I fainted once while we were working up the dosage on Coreg but after a while, the body adapts to the beta blocker. My Cardiologist actually said that the beta blocker would make me feel worse for a while. If I skip a couple of doses and get back on the same dosage level, I'm a bit wobbly for a few hours.Regards,~Lonestar Rose~ wrote:> Hello all,> > I have generalized chronic muskoskeletal as well as joint pain (if my > pain is a "6" on a scale from 1 - 10, I'm grateful, seriously...I > cannot remember what it feels like not to hurt, only that there once > was such a time in my life) from various chronic health conditions. I > take a combination of Darvocet 100, Fioricet, and at night, Soma is > added to the "cocktail". This "cocktail" works for me, though I have > noticed that I have now reached a point where I need to take it more > often that I used to due to increased tolerance. I plan to discuss > alternate pain control at my next appt. I ceased being concerned > about becoming addicted long ago. I have to live and function on some > level, and we make trade-offs, don't we? Unfortunately, I cannot > tolerate hydracodone, coedine, vicadin, or some of the other more > effective pain medications due to my IBS. & n! bsp;I know there are > risks, as does my dr., but I have to be able to function to some > degree without hurting so badly that I want to bite holes in the walls > and/or cry all day and night from pain....and I DO have a high pain > tolerance....in fact, I've gotten so used to hurting, it has > periodically caused me to ignore serious infections/illness because I > simply attributed my symptoms to the pain which I live with > 24-7....until high fever or some new symptom (like high fever) sent me > to the hospital, sometimes by ambulance. My cardiologist added > Proatimine to my daily Rx regime today for my Neurocardiogenic > Syncope. The beta blocker he first put me on only worsened my > fainting and near-fainting spells and made me feel horrible all the > time. I hope this new drug helps, and so does my dr.> Love,> > >> ...>>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ The Being Sick CommunityMessage Archives and Digest Attachment Pictures:-/messagesChat:- Scheduled Daily Chats at /chatBookmarks:-Add a website URL you have found useful./links Personal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator email: -owner Subscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit:- /joinTo subscribe or unsubscribe please email:--subscribe -unsubscribe ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~When nothing is sure, everything is possible.--- Margaret Drabble~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Hey Russ, Sharon, the group founder has that device{or one like it } placed in her back. She has mentioned it on several occasions {just not recently} Just wanted to let you know that it has been discussed here before. She has had some good results with it . I think that this is the same device that Jerry has had in his back. He has had remarkable pain relief from it. Well,I don't really know that much about it. TAKE AS BEST CARE AS YOU CAN AND BE SAFE LARRY ,group moderatorSanford <mucols@...> wrote: Friends...This is the final paragraph of a message I posted earlier in response to one from Janine. I thought it might be a good idea to post it separately.As for pain relief, I haven't seen here any reference to thoseelectrical devices that are implanted near a nerve and that, whenactivated by an external hand held control unit, block pain impulsesto the brain. Anyone suffering chronic, intractable pain - pain that meds simply can't reach - might do well to check into this option. It is available in the U.S. and, for those who "qualify," it can give amazing relief. On the negative side, there are reports that with use over time it may become less effective. Spine doctors should know about this unit, and they should be able to tell you whether or not you would be a candidate. If yours can't, find someone who can.RussREMEMBER ALL OF OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE ARMED SERVICE OF OUR NATION PRAY THAT THEY MAY BE SAFE AND SOUND IN BODY AND MIND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Larry... Thanks for the update. There are so many new messages posted here that it doesn't hurt to be reminded of older but still important ones. Yes, that is the same device that Jerry has. I wouldn't expect it to work equally well for everyone, but for some it could mean nothing less than a new life. Russ > Hey Russ, > Sharon, the group founder has that device{or one like it } placed in her back. She has mentioned it on several occasions {just not recently} Just wanted to let you know that it has been discussed here before. She has had some good results with it . > I think that this is the same device that Jerry has had in his back. > He has had remarkable pain relief from it. > Well,I don't really know that much about it. > TAKE AS BEST CARE AS YOU CAN AND BE SAFE > LARRY ,group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 How about lidoderm/lidocaine 5% patches? They kill the pain but not the numbness. I've shared them with people who have sciatica and they all loved them - except my mom who said it killed the pain but didn't remove the related weakness. (I know we're not supposed to share prescriptions with others, but these people were all in pain and my doctor said there are no side effects.) > > I'm looking to try things I have not yet. I have no intention of getting surgery yet, so I am > searching for ways to feel better. So far, epidurals have not worked. I am waiting for this > facet denervation procedure to kick in and I had a Swedish massage today that gave me relief > for about 20 minutes. The massage therapist said something about cranio-sacral massage? > Anyone? > Thanks, Jill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Spinal Cord Stimulator - (worked well for me for my other back pain not associated with Flat back - but didn't change my flatback status or give me relief and help me stand up and walk better) massage - works great while you are having them (made me pain free) and gets the blood flowing - but when I started walking again after I got up from the table - I still had flatback and couldn't stand straight and hurt like crazy! I didn't want to be meds my whole life - I hate them - most of the pain meds make me loopy and sleepy and I'm a mom and can't be like that all the time. sometimes the injections give you temporary relief. Trying to stay active and getting in the pool - may help you also. > > I'm looking to try things I have not yet. I have no intention of getting surgery yet, so I am > searching for ways to feel better. So far, epidurals have not worked. I am waiting for this > facet denervation procedure to kick in and I had a Swedish massage today that gave me relief > for about 20 minutes. The massage therapist said something about cranio-sacral massage? > Anyone? > Thanks, Jill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I have to say that I think the amount of pain you have is directly related to the pain " relief " you are taking. I had a TKR September 22. My leg was very bowed so quite a bit of bone needed to be cut during the surgery. I also had a lot of osteoarthritis in the joint, and my knee would go out of joint every time I stood up. My Surgeon told me I waited too long for the surgery. This developed from an injury playing soft ball over 40 years ago. I was put on Oxycotin right after surgery, 10mg 2 times a day. At about day 5, I gave up the night pill and continued with the 10mg in the morning. About a week later I was put on percocet. 10 mg 2 times a day. I guess I was on that for about 3 weeks...then I was put on Vicodin 1 or 2 every 4 hours...At first I took 2 in the AM and 2 in the PM...After about 1 month I took only the 2 in the am. I continued to take these until about the 3 month marker from my surgery. The pain meds are needed for PT. Right now I take no medication. Seriously, I have mostly had no pain. I still have some swelling and stiffness in the knee and was told it lasts usually for 6 to 12 months. I hope this is helpful for those of you who are suffering much pain with their joint replacement surgeries. It sounds like some of you are not taking much medication for pain....You may be helped by talking with your OS... Dorie Madsen Re: New Member Intro For the night time cramps in my leg, my physiotherapist said that I was likely not drinking enough water during the day. Sure enough, when I increased that, the pain went away! As for no one talking about how much it will hurt, I had an interesting situation recently. An acquaintance was due to have her first TKR at the beginning of December and talked to me about it a week or so before she was going in..wanting 'the truth' about rehab and recovery. So I told her that it was the most painful thing I have ever had and with the first TKR that I had, it was excruciating for the first 3 weeks or more, gradually getting easier. The second was less painful. Then last week I ran into her at physio at the hospital. She didnt say hello or anything, just came up close and said " Why didn't you tell me how painful this was going to be??? " ! I reminded her of our conversation and she got this funny look on her face and admitted that she did remember that comment now, but that she had obviously only heard the parts she wanted to hear! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 So. I have chronic degenerative arthritis in my knee, hip and spine. I was on traditional doctor authorized pain meds for 4 years and became allergic to everything over a year ago. I have been off all opiates for over a year and 2 months now. I am convinced now the arthritis was caused from having candida most of my life. So,while detoxifying myself, how do I cope with the pain? I just filled in all the gaps I was missing yesterday with vitamin supplements. Is there more of something I should be taking then others? I also have a strange feeling in my right thigh above my worst knee that varies from burning to feeling like a tightened muscle that will not relax. I have been using soothanol,or theragesic to give some relief. Of course I am sure this is not OK. This pain never really goes away but varies in degree. Have the toxins settled in my leg? If I stop using these topical treatments for pain how do I cope with the pain so I am able to work , let alone sleep? I have changed my diet radically but not to the extent you call for, but I am now working toward this eliminating foods. Will Coconut oil used as a topical cream help? Thanks M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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