Tingling

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Dana,

First thing to do is to ask her to check with her doctor/pharmacist to see

whether this kind of experience is potentially a sign of overmedication with

either of her meds. The NF could have changed the neurotransmitter picture in

her brain, which might also help to explain the progressive nature of what she

is experiencing.

Second thing is to be aware that you can't reward windowed frequencies on one

side in a windowed squash. You will be rewarding the same thing on both sides

(though that shouldn't be an issue given the frequencies you are training.)

Try using just one of the three training protocols you mentioned--at least one

at a time--for a session or two and see which one is having the effect.

Combining them and shifting around makes it much harder to determine how to

respond.

Pete

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> From: " Dana Rutschilling, MSW, LISW " <ruty@...>

> Date: 2006/05/02 Tue PM 05:54:04 EDT

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> Subject: Tingling

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> Usually when I have clients who " tingle " during sessions it is a

client with high alpha and a tendency for fibromyalgia. This time

a " low alpha " person was tingling and she was enjoying it for the

first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent

of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She

tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that

her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all

day long. She had never experienced tingling prior to neurofeedback.

We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding

lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz.

This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood

and concentration have improved dramatically.

Appreciate any insights,

Dana Rutschilling

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Dana, Tingling in both the legs if it has started after the NF training , T3 & T4 locations are more closer to the Post central gyrus , where somatosensory representation ( touch, pain sensations) are felt from the opposite half of the body. In patients with " Bipolar Disorder" ( Lithium is the medication) , there is an abnormal asymmetry in the structure of cerebral cortex and it is more lateralised than normal subjects. So when the alpha waves were uptrained in post central gyrus , the subconscious feelings of pain came to light with low level of threshold for pain. So if we can uptrain the alpha at Pz or Oz with one lead only, this may uptrain the alpha at Thalamus , this would block even the excessive pain as Thalamus is a gatekeeper for the perceived pain before it goes to cerebral cortex. I will substantiate my guess by presentng a portion of a reseach article on Bipolar disorder. " Cerebral lateralization of the M20 distinguished bipolar subjects with psychosis from those without psychosis and comparison subjects. The M20 is generated in area 3b of the postcentral gyrus. These findings suggest anatomical displacement of the postcentral gyrus in psychotic disorders and support the hypothesis that anomalous cerebral asymmetry is a feature of psychotic disorders generally, including psychotic mood disorders. " Apart from this , patient may have toxic effects of Lithium which can produce Thyroid problems & Muscle/ Nerve

pain. Patient also must be checked for sugar levels. Thanks. Dr.Deen MD ( AB , Internal Medicine) Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: Dana,First thing to do is to ask her to check with her doctor/pharmacist to see whether this kind of experience is potentially a sign of overmedication with either of her meds. The NF could have changed the neurotransmitter picture in her brain, which might also help to explain the

progressive nature of what she is experiencing.Second thing is to be aware that you can't reward windowed frequencies on one side in a windowed squash. You will be rewarding the same thing on both sides (though that shouldn't be an issue given the frequencies you are training.)Try using just one of the three training protocols you mentioned--at least one at a time--for a session or two and see which one is having the effect. Combining them and shifting around makes it much harder to determine how to respond.Pete> > From: "Dana Rutschilling, MSW, LISW" <ruty@...>> Date: 2006/05/02 Tue PM 05:54:04 EDT> > Subject: Tingling> > Usually when I have clients who "tingle" during sessions it is a client with high alpha and a tendency for fibromyalgia. This time a "low alpha" person was tingling and she was enjoying it for

the first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all day long. She had never experienced tingling prior to neurofeedback. We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz. This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood and concentration have improved dramatically.Appreciate any insights,Dana Rutschilling

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Thank you to you and Pete both. She is coming in tomorrow and I will definately do this.

Apreciate the insight,

Dana

Tingling> > Usually when I have clients who "tingle" during sessions it is a client with high alpha and a tendency for fibromyalgia. This time a "low alpha" person was tingling and she was enjoying it for the first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all day long. She had never experienced tingling prior to neurofeedback. We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz. This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood and concentration have improved dramatically.Appreciate any insights,Dana Rutschilling

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One more question... I have another bipolar client with fibromyalgia and too much alpha almost everywhere. What would reduce pain in her case?

Dana

Tingling> > Usually when I have clients who "tingle" during sessions it is a client with high alpha and a tendency for fibromyalgia. This time a "low alpha" person was tingling and she was enjoying it for the first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all day long. She had never experienced tingling prior to neurofeedback. We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz. This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood and concentration have improved dramatically.Appreciate any insights,Dana Rutschilling

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Dana, When there is too much Alpha everywhere , it looks this client must be addicted to centrally acting pain medications(Narcotics).But this alpha must be of Lower frequency alphas ( 8 to 10 Htz). Here we can reward the high frequency alpha at Pz/A1/A2 (10 to 13 Htz) and inhibit (2 to 9.5 Htz).Once we increase the frequency of alpha, the amplitude will come down.The hifrequency alpha will take care of the pain while low frequency alpha can produce only drowsiness. Fibromyalgia is only a non specific diagnosis of exclusion . Chronic pain medication seekers only use this diagnosis to their favour . This is fibromuscular pain of unknown cause. Thanks Dr.Deen MDDana Rutschilling <ruty@...> wrote: One more question... I have another bipolar client with fibromyalgia and too much alpha almost everywhere. What would reduce pain in her case? Dana Tingling> > Usually when I have clients who "tingle" during sessions it is a client with high alpha and a tendency for

fibromyalgia. This time a "low alpha" person was tingling and she was enjoying it for the first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all day long. She had never experienced tingling prior to neurofeedback. We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz. This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood and concentration have improved dramatically.Appreciate any insights,Dana Rutschilling

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Client with pain just left after a Pz alpha MIDI protocol which changed her pain and her mood almost from the first minute of training.

Thanks again,

Dana

Tingling> > Usually when I have clients who "tingle" during sessions it is a client with high alpha and a tendency for fibromyalgia. This time a "low alpha" person was tingling and she was enjoying it for the first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all day long. She had never experienced tingling prior to neurofeedback. We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz. This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood and concentration have improved dramatically.Appreciate any insights,Dana Rutschilling

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I got this email report last night.

Itis 9:00 aflter lying on couch burning in thighs return same intensity not really tingling but prickling in hands and face concentration is off feel like my

brain is running hyper overdrive but I'm stuck and going no where feel as if I can do nothing right and am a failure definately depressed

Any suggesestions?

Dana

Re: Tingling

Dana,

Tingling in both the legs if it has started after the NF training , T3 & T4 locations are more closer to the Post central gyrus , where somatosensory representation ( touch, pain sensations) are felt from the opposite half of the body. In patients with " Bipolar Disorder" ( Lithium is the medication) , there is an abnormal asymmetry in the structure of cerebral cortex and it is more lateralised than normal subjects. So when the alpha waves were uptrained in post central gyrus , the subconscious feelings of pain came to light with low level of threshold for pain.

So if we can uptrain the alpha at Pz or Oz with one lead only, this may uptrain the alpha at Thalamus , this would block even the excessive pain as Thalamus is a gatekeeper for the perceived pain before it goes to cerebral cortex.

I will substantiate my guess by presentng a portion of a reseach article on Bipolar disorder.

" Cerebral lateralization of the M20 distinguished bipolar subjects with psychosis from those without psychosis and comparison subjects. The M20 is generated in area 3b of the postcentral gyrus. These findings suggest anatomical displacement of the postcentral gyrus in psychotic disorders and support the hypothesis that anomalous cerebral asymmetry is a feature of psychotic disorders generally, including psychotic mood disorders. "

Apart from this , patient may have toxic effects of Lithium which can produce

Thyroid problems & Muscle/ Nerve pain. Patient also must be checked for sugar levels.

Thanks.

Dr.Deen MD ( AB , Internal Medicine)

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Dana, That is great ! I am really happy!!! . We learn from our patients.That is practice!!! Thank you Dr.Deen Dana Rutschilling <ruty@...> wrote: Client with pain just left after a Pz alpha MIDI protocol which changed her pain and her mood almost from the first minute of training. Thanks again, Dana Tingling> > Usually when I have clients who "tingle" during sessions it is a client with high alpha and a tendency for fibromyalgia. This time a "low alpha" person was tingling and she was enjoying it for the first few sessions. She felt as though it was a release of the pent of tension she was carrying. However it seemed to be cumlative. She tingled so much, even at home. She indicated asfter 10 sessions that her thighs started to burn, mostly in the evening and sometimes all day long. She had never experienced tingling

prior to neurofeedback. We were doing 2C windowed squash at T3-T4 for the most part, rewarding lobeta and alpha on the right. Some C3-C4 and a couple of Fz-Pz. This woman takes Lithium and Prozac and has for years. BTW, her mood and concentration have improved dramatically.Appreciate any insights,Dana Rutschilling

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I don't know.. Neuropathy? Nerve damage? Lack of circulation to the

extremities?

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM, sb2boys <sb2boys@...> wrote:

> Does anyone else experience tingling down your spine and your

> extremeties? On a bad day, I have it down to my toes and into my

> fingers. Sometimes it's only my spine. Other days, I don't have any

> tingling. What causes it?

>

> Thank you for your help!

>

> Sue

>

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Hi Sue,

When recently diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy the Neurologist

tested my B12, Folate, & TSH to try to identify a cause. All levels

were bottom range which can be explained by Rich's GD-MCB Hypothesis

concerning Glutathione Depletion's expansive effects.

The tests were also for heavy metals which were negative. Other tests

for neuropathy causes looked at my Immunoglobulins G,A & M, all of

which were bottom range. This too may possibly be related to the

glutathione depletion.

I started experiencing signs of neuropathy like you describe 7 years

ago and they were exacerbated after my last bout with pneumonia.

My hope is that by following the treatment protocol for GD-MCB that I

will at the least, halt the neuropathy, as well as many of my other

diagnosis and symptoms.

Hope that helps,

sb2boys@ wrote:

> > Does anyone else experience tingling down your spine and your

> > extremeties?

> >

> > Sue

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I do have a lesion on my spinal cord (neck). They still haven't ruled

out MS.

> > Does anyone else experience tingling down your spine and your

> > extremeties? On a bad day, I have it down to my toes and into my

> > fingers. Sometimes it's only my spine. Other days, I don't have any

> > tingling. What causes it?

> >

> > Thank you for your help!

> >

> > Sue

> >

>

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Bee,

   Hello.  Merry Christmas to you!  I have a concern I was hoping you could

address.  I have been feeling tingling in my hands and forearms and lips for the

past two weeks.  It has now moved to my feet and shins (for the past five days)

and now all the way up my leg (mostly right) to my butt.  I've read in previous

posts that this could be toxins not released yet or my nerves waking up.  Is

there anything I can do about this and should I be concerned?

Thanks!

Suzanne

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Bee,

   Thanks for your response.  I'll just hope this passes soon and continue

with the diet, coconut oil, epsom salt baths, and skin brushing. 

Thanks for all that you do for us!

Suzanne

 

 

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From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 8:30:43 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Tingling

 

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> Bee,

>    Hello.  Merry Christmas to you!

+++Hi Suzanne. Thank you.

I have a concern I was hoping you could address.  I have been feeling tingling

in my hands and forearms and lips for the past two weeks.  It has now moved to

my feet and shins (for the past five days) and now all the way up my leg (mostly

right) to my butt.  I've read in previous posts that this could be toxins not

released yet or my nerves waking up.  Is there anything I can do about this and

should I be concerned?

+++The fact that your symptoms are moving around tells me they are due to

toxins, which may be moving around or they are just being mobilized from each of

those areas before they are released. Releasing toxins also wakes up the nerves

so the symptoms can coincide.

All the best, Bee