Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Heh, the human psyche, you gotta love it. My original post was two lines, not counting signature and tag. One line was ON TOPIC about the dangers of concentrated H2O2. The other a reference to the " keep your guard up " times we live in. The " FREE CHOICE " attention of the participants in the resulting thread, has been entirely on the OFF TOPIC, " TONGUE-IN-CHEEK " other line. Not a WORD about the topic of the post. (must be a girl thing). Even after telling her that the objectionable? comment was tongue-in-cheek, Sherri says to Gail: > I am glad you are so sure Chuck was joking, I had no way >to know this and he still hasn't said he was joking, so I only have your >word for it. So, it appears that she is CHOOSING to stay offended. Can't do a thing about it, wouldn't want to. As " Seth " says, " you create your own reality " . BTW, what about the ON TOPIC part of the post? Chuck Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. On 8/21/2005 12:51:39 PM, wanda85929 (wanda85929@...) wrote: > Good Morning, Sherri-Lee. > > Ok, I can see this is a subject that you are rightfully very > passionate about. I'm not sure if we're really on-topic, but will > respond as best I can, but after this > I'm dropping it. > > First, you are right about me not lumping you and Saul together > simply because you are married. A common mistake I'm > sure. > > Secondly, In regards to Chuck's post and your response. Because I've > seen Chuck on various lists over 4-5 years and have observed his > style, to me > he's very consistant. Always, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Here is what you said as a reminder: " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! > > 100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... > > Chuck " I see no comment about the " dangers of concentrated H202. I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. Here is some info on rocket fuel for you: http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/mars/ask/miscellany/Composition_of_Rocket_Fuel QUESTION: I would like to know what rocket fuel is made of? ANSWER from on December 17, 1996: There are two main types of rocket fuel, liquid and solid fuel. Liquid fuel can be of several kinds like liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen and kerosene, or hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, plus others. Solid fuel is a composite mixture of usually ammonium perchlorate and aluminum, or sometimes simple black powder. So if you want to address the " on topic " line, I think you are incorrect. 100% H202 is not rocket fuel. Happy? Now onto the other line. If it was a joke, so be it. I don't think it was funny and in this day and age I think it is in bad taste to be joking about calling and ratting people out to the Gestapo for anything. Telling me it was a joke doesn't make it any funnier to me. It just wasn't funny no matter how you dress it up. As for your " must be a girl thing " line, I suppose you are going to say that was another joke. Seems to me that some people use humour as a way to get away with saying any offensive and insulting things they can think of, then they act like the offended party is in some way wrong for feeling how they feel. People feel offended around offensive behaviour, that is just the way of the civilized world. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Re: h202 Heh, the human psyche, you gotta love it. My original post was two lines, not counting signature and tag. One line was ON TOPIC about the dangers of concentrated H2O2. The other a reference to the " keep your guard up " times we live in. The " FREE CHOICE " attention of the participants in the resulting thread, has been entirely on the OFF TOPIC, " TONGUE-IN-CHEEK " other line. Not a WORD about the topic of the post. (must be a girl thing). Even after telling her that the objectionable? comment was tongue-in-cheek, Sherri says to Gail: > I am glad you are so sure Chuck was joking, I had no way >to know this and he still hasn't said he was joking, so I only have your >word for it. So, it appears that she is CHOOSING to stay offended. Can't do a thing about it, wouldn't want to. As " Seth " says, " you create your own reality " . BTW, what about the ON TOPIC part of the post? Chuck Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. On 8/21/2005 12:51:39 PM, wanda85929 (wanda85929@...) wrote: > Good Morning, Sherri-Lee. > > Ok, I can see this is a subject that you are rightfully very > passionate about. I'm not sure if we're really on-topic, but will > respond as best I can, but after this > I'm dropping it. > > First, you are right about me not lumping you and Saul together > simply because you are married. A common mistake I'm > sure. > > Secondly, In regards to Chuck's post and your response. Because I've > seen Chuck on various lists over 4-5 years and have observed his > style, to me > he's very consistant. Always, OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 From: " Sherri-Lee Pressman " <sherri--lee@...> > Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! >> >> 100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... >> >> Chuck " > > I see no comment about the " dangers of concentrated H202. > > I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although > incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. Please....... I wonder if we could let this go now? I am a freedom loving American, who is getting more distressed by the day by the trashing of our Constitution and the ever increasing erosion of our freedoms. When I saw Chuck's comment, I burst out laughing. Comic relief like this is sometimes just " what the doctor ordered " . Perhaps because I, too, have seen Chuck on several other lists it never crossed my mind to take this comment seriously. This is just typical American humor to me, and in these very trying times, I'm grateful for the laugh. Back to oxygen therapies? Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 On 8/21/2005 10:48:19 PM, Sherri-Lee Pressman (sherri--lee@...) wrote: > Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! > > >> > 100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... > > > > Chuck " > > I see no comment about the > " dangers of concentrated H202. Uhhh... It's right in front of you. What part of > > 100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... doesn't imply danger??? > I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although > incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. > > Here is some info on rocket fuel for you: > > http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/mars/ask/miscellany/Composition_of_Rocket_Fuel Again, Uhhhh... here's some info on hydrogen peroxide as rocket fuel: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s63460.htm partial transcript: Hydrogen peroxide differs from water only in that it contains two oxygen atoms. It might be used to replace conventional oxidizers, such as liquid oxygen, nitrogen tetroxide and ammonium perchlorate, which are needed to burn rocket fuels. Unlike the chemist's version of hydrogen peroxide, which is about 97 percent water, the rocket-propulsion variety has the opposite mix: 3 percent water and 97 percent hydrogen peroxide with critical contaminants removed. This purified, concentrated form of H2O2 is broken down with chemical catalysts, yielding oxygen that combusts with alcohol-based fuels, such as methanol or ethanol. " Such a propulsion system would provide an inexpensive alternative to today's nonrenewable hydrocarbon fuels that are processed from crude oil, " Heister said. Breaking down peroxide not only would provide oxygen for combustion but also would produce steam, an important byproduct that could be used to run a turbine to generate electricity, Heister said. Beal Aerospace Technologies in Texas is planning to develop a complete, three-stage launch vehicle that uses hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer. Its first-stage engine would be the largest rocket engine ever built, producing more than three million pounds of thrust. Meanwhile, NASA and the Air Force are working to develop lower-cost rocket engines using hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer. Rusek, an assistant professor of aeronautics and astronautics, is trying to develop a high-efficiency fuel cell that generates electricity from hydrogen peroxide and aluminum, a device that could replace conventional batteries. End of article quote ***************************************************** No, I was not incorrect. I stand by my statement. My " must be a girl thing " was to bait you. Like Red Skelton, I am sometimes a " mean widdle kid " . Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. You've got a pretty good " mad " going... Chuck Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Thanks for the info. It doesn't support your claim however simply because it is all talking about H202 as a rocket fuel in the future. It isn't done yet, but in the experimental stages. Theory. Hypothesis. Not complete. So your statement would have been more accurate if you had said that 100% H202 is being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. You put things out to bait people? Now there is the kind of " coming together " spirit Gail was talking about huh? The BIG difference between you and Red Skelton, is: he was funny. Not mad, just wish I had my fly swatter. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com RE: Re: h202 On 8/21/2005 10:48:19 PM, Sherri-Lee Pressman (sherri--lee@...) wrote: > Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! > > >> > 100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... > > > > Chuck " > > I see no comment about the > " dangers of concentrated H202. Uhhh... It's right in front of you. What part of > > 100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... doesn't imply danger??? > I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although > incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. > > Here is some info on rocket fuel for you: > > http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/mars/ask/miscellany/Composition_of_Rocket_Fuel Again, Uhhhh... here's some info on hydrogen peroxide as rocket fuel: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s63460.htm partial transcript: Hydrogen peroxide differs from water only in that it contains two oxygen atoms. It might be used to replace conventional oxidizers, such as liquid oxygen, nitrogen tetroxide and ammonium perchlorate, which are needed to burn rocket fuels. Unlike the chemist's version of hydrogen peroxide, which is about 97 percent water, the rocket-propulsion variety has the opposite mix: 3 percent water and 97 percent hydrogen peroxide with critical contaminants removed. This purified, concentrated form of H2O2 is broken down with chemical catalysts, yielding oxygen that combusts with alcohol-based fuels, such as methanol or ethanol. " Such a propulsion system would provide an inexpensive alternative to today's nonrenewable hydrocarbon fuels that are processed from crude oil, " Heister said. Breaking down peroxide not only would provide oxygen for combustion but also would produce steam, an important byproduct that could be used to run a turbine to generate electricity, Heister said. Beal Aerospace Technologies in Texas is planning to develop a complete, three-stage launch vehicle that uses hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer. Its first-stage engine would be the largest rocket engine ever built, producing more than three million pounds of thrust. Meanwhile, NASA and the Air Force are working to develop lower-cost rocket engines using hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer. Rusek, an assistant professor of aeronautics and astronautics, is trying to develop a high-efficiency fuel cell that generates electricity from hydrogen peroxide and aluminum, a device that could replace conventional batteries. End of article quote ***************************************************** No, I was not incorrect. I stand by my statement. My " must be a girl thing " was to bait you. Like Red Skelton, I am sometimes a " mean widdle kid " . Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. You've got a pretty good " mad " going... Chuck Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Yes, I agree with Sharon. Let's drop it. I'm not on any other groups and have not seen Chuck posting on this group that I can recall offhand but I did know, immediately and without a doubt, that it was just his sense of humor coming out when he posted that comment and nothing more. I also do not think Chuck is responsible for how it may have made some of you feel. You may or may not appreciate someones sense of humour but, in a group like this, you just have understand that you're going to come across alot of different styles of humor and you just can't be that sensitive. GypsyRose From: " starshar " <starshar@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: Re: Re: h202 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:26:28 -0400 From: " Sherri-Lee Pressman " <sherri--lee@...> >Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! >> >>100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... >> >>Chuck " > >I see no comment about the " dangers of concentrated H202. > >I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although >incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. Please....... I wonder if we could let this go now? I am a freedom loving American, who is getting more distressed by the day by the trashing of our Constitution and the ever increasing erosion of our freedoms. When I saw Chuck's comment, I burst out laughing. Comic relief like this is sometimes just " what the doctor ordered " . Perhaps because I, too, have seen Chuck on several other lists it never crossed my mind to take this comment seriously. This is just typical American humor to me, and in these very trying times, I'm grateful for the laugh. Back to oxygen therapies? Sharon OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 On 8/22/2005 1:59:06 AM, Sherri-Lee Pressman (sherri--lee@...) wrote: >Thanks for the info. It doesn't support your claim however simply because it >is all talking about H202 as a rocket fuel in the future. It isn't done yet, >but in the experimental stages. Theory. Hypothesis. Not complete. So your >statement would have been more accurate if you had said that 100% H202 is >being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. > being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. > (Sigh) No maybe about it. Here is more HISTORY: http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/article/2 Hydrogen peroxide has been used in many applications for propulsion and power generation in the last 60 years. WW II Its first major use was by the German Luftwaffe during Word War II. In 1936 Helmuth Walters´ Walterwerke developed a 1000 kgf hydrogen peroxide propelled ATO (= Auxiliary Take Off) rocket engine for the Heinkel He 176. This first engine was a cold monopropellant rocket engine using injection of calciumpermanganate solution as a decomposition catalyst. 80% conc. H2O2 was used. Shortly after this, the same company supplied the rocket engine to the Messerschmidt Me 163B Komet. This engine was a hot bipropellent rocket engine. 80% conc. H2O2 was used as the oxidizer. As the organic liquid fuel a mixture called " C-Stoff " was used. It contained hydrazine hydrate and methyl alcohol. C-Stoff was self-igniting (aka hypergolic), so no other decomposition catalyst was needed in this engine. Probably the most well-known application of H2O2 during WW II was in the V2-rocket for the turbo-pump gas generator. Hydrogen peroxide was used in several other applications by the Germans, like in submarines and torpedos, but the most frequently used device was a catapult operated on 80-85% H2O2 and calciumpermanganate solution. Several hundreds of these catapults were produced and each catapult was used many times. Post WW II - 1980's Many different peroxide propulsion projects were launched in UK, USA and in the Soviet Union after WWII. The most successful development were probably the English Black Knight/Black Arrow projects. These were rocket engines produced by Rolls Royce. The concept was based on the bipropellant principle. 83-87% H2O2 was used as the oxidizer. In the early stages of the English projects the hydrogen peroxide was still produced in Germany! Later on the English company La Porte took over the production. The H2O2 was decomposed on a silver wire mesh catalyst and kerosene was used as the organic fuel. The United State Air Force and the Marines used H2O2 propelled engines after WWII. The standard rocket grade H2O2 in the US had a concentration of 90%. General Electric produced a Hybrid Rocket Engine. The H2O2 was decomposed on a silver mesh catalyst and the organic solid fuel was polyethylene. When jet engines were developed after the war, the peroxide propulsion rocket engines in the field of jet aviation became obsolete. In the field of space exploration, other fuels with a higher specific impulse replaced hydrogen peroxide. These new systems were much more complicated and expensive. They were in many cases also poisonous or cancerogenic or harmful to the environment. At that time in history, these things were less important than winning the cold war and the race to the moon! The only military field in which peroxide propulsion survived the cold war was as torpedo engines. Regular production of rocket grade hydrogen peroxide stopped in the US in the middle of the 1980's. Even if the use in the military sector and in space declined, a couple of very interesting and fascinating uses were developed during this time period that are still in use, even if they are yet not wide spread: * One is the Personal Rocket Belt, developed by Wendell at Bell Aircraft Company. US Patent 3021095. One version of this back pack rocket was flying at the opening cermony of the Los Angeles Olympic Games 1984. This event has etched itslef into many peoples minds! For the general public it is by far the best known application of hydrogen peroxide rocket technology. * The other application is the rotor tip rocket for helicopters, developed by Gilbert W Magill and others. US Patent 4473199. These patents have expired at this time. If you want to read them, go here and punch in " US " and the patent number. 1990's - present The good news are that hydrogen peroxide has seen a great deal of renewed interest in the 1990s. There are many reasons for this. Most important I believe is its minimal environmental impact, simplicity of handling and lower cost. Since 1998 there have been six (!) International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conferences. Civil scientists and organizations like ESA, NASA and Russian organizations cooperate openly and peacefully in the field. ***************************************************** My statement was and is correct! Chuck Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at the bowling alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 USA used h202 in WWII for torpedos also........Robb RE: Re: h202 On 8/22/2005 1:59:06 AM, Sherri-Lee Pressman (sherri--lee@...) wrote: >Thanks for the info. It doesn't support your claim however simply because it >is all talking about H202 as a rocket fuel in the future. It isn't done yet, >but in the experimental stages. Theory. Hypothesis. Not complete. So your >statement would have been more accurate if you had said that 100% H202 is >being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. > being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. > (Sigh) No maybe about it. Here is more HISTORY: http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/article/2 Hydrogen peroxide has been used in many applications for propulsion and power generation in the last 60 years. WW II Its first major use was by the German Luftwaffe during Word War II. In 1936 Helmuth Walters´ Walterwerke developed a 1000 kgf hydrogen peroxide propelled ATO (= Auxiliary Take Off) rocket engine for the Heinkel He 176. This first engine was a cold monopropellant rocket engine using injection of calciumpermanganate solution as a decomposition catalyst. 80% conc. H2O2 was used. Shortly after this, the same company supplied the rocket engine to the Messerschmidt Me 163B Komet. This engine was a hot bipropellent rocket engine. 80% conc. H2O2 was used as the oxidizer. As the organic liquid fuel a mixture called " C-Stoff " was used. It contained hydrazine hydrate and methyl alcohol. C-Stoff was self-igniting (aka hypergolic), so no other decomposition catalyst was needed in this engine. Probably the most well-known application of H2O2 during WW II was in the V2-rocket for the turbo-pump gas generator. Hydrogen peroxide was used in several other applications by the Germans, like in submarines and torpedos, but the most frequently used device was a catapult operated on 80-85% H2O2 and calciumpermanganate solution. Several hundreds of these catapults were produced and each catapult was used many times. Post WW II - 1980's Many different peroxide propulsion projects were launched in UK, USA and in the Soviet Union after WWII. The most successful development were probably the English Black Knight/Black Arrow projects. These were rocket engines produced by Rolls Royce. The concept was based on the bipropellant principle. 83-87% H2O2 was used as the oxidizer. In the early stages of the English projects the hydrogen peroxide was still produced in Germany! Later on the English company La Porte took over the production. The H2O2 was decomposed on a silver wire mesh catalyst and kerosene was used as the organic fuel. The United State Air Force and the Marines used H2O2 propelled engines after WWII. The standard rocket grade H2O2 in the US had a concentration of 90%. General Electric produced a Hybrid Rocket Engine. The H2O2 was decomposed on a silver mesh catalyst and the organic solid fuel was polyethylene. When jet engines were developed after the war, the peroxide propulsion rocket engines in the field of jet aviation became obsolete. In the field of space exploration, other fuels with a higher specific impulse replaced hydrogen peroxide. These new systems were much more complicated and expensive. They were in many cases also poisonous or cancerogenic or harmful to the environment. At that time in history, these things were less important than winning the cold war and the race to the moon! The only military field in which peroxide propulsion survived the cold war was as torpedo engines. Regular production of rocket grade hydrogen peroxide stopped in the US in the middle of the 1980's. Even if the use in the military sector and in space declined, a couple of very interesting and fascinating uses were developed during this time period that are still in use, even if they are yet not wide spread: * One is the Personal Rocket Belt, developed by Wendell at Bell Aircraft Company. US Patent 3021095. One version of this back pack rocket was flying at the opening cermony of the Los Angeles Olympic Games 1984. This event has etched itslef into many peoples minds! For the general public it is by far the best known application of hydrogen peroxide rocket technology. * The other application is the rotor tip rocket for helicopters, developed by Gilbert W Magill and others. US Patent 4473199. These patents have expired at this time. If you want to read them, go here and punch in " US " and the patent number. 1990's - present The good news are that hydrogen peroxide has seen a great deal of renewed interest in the 1990s. There are many reasons for this. Most important I believe is its minimal environmental impact, simplicity of handling and lower cost. Since 1998 there have been six (!) International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conferences. Civil scientists and organizations like ESA, NASA and Russian organizations cooperate openly and peacefully in the field. ***************************************************** My statement was and is correct! Chuck Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at the bowling alley. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Just because you were so sure it was a joke, doesn't mean anyone else felt that way nor does it mean you are right and they are wrong. You just can't be that insensitive. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Re: h202 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:26:28 -0400 From: " Sherri-Lee Pressman " <sherri--lee@...> >Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! >> >>100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... >> >>Chuck " > >I see no comment about the " dangers of concentrated H202. > >I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although >incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. Please....... I wonder if we could let this go now? I am a freedom loving American, who is getting more distressed by the day by the trashing of our Constitution and the ever increasing erosion of our freedoms. When I saw Chuck's comment, I burst out laughing. Comic relief like this is sometimes just " what the doctor ordered " . Perhaps because I, too, have seen Chuck on several other lists it never crossed my mind to take this comment seriously. This is just typical American humor to me, and in these very trying times, I'm grateful for the laugh. Back to oxygen therapies? Sharon OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Great thanks for the info to verify your claim. I stand corrected. This could have been a much more enjoyable exchange had you just decided to not be snide through out it. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com RE: Re: h202 On 8/22/2005 1:59:06 AM, Sherri-Lee Pressman (sherri--lee@...) wrote: >Thanks for the info. It doesn't support your claim however simply because it >is all talking about H202 as a rocket fuel in the future. It isn't done yet, >but in the experimental stages. Theory. Hypothesis. Not complete. So your >statement would have been more accurate if you had said that 100% H202 is >being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. > being developed into rocket fuel, sometime in the future... maybe. > (Sigh) No maybe about it. Here is more HISTORY: http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/article/2 Hydrogen peroxide has been used in many applications for propulsion and power generation in the last 60 years. WW II Its first major use was by the German Luftwaffe during Word War II. In 1936 Helmuth Walters´ Walterwerke developed a 1000 kgf hydrogen peroxide propelled ATO (= Auxiliary Take Off) rocket engine for the Heinkel He 176. This first engine was a cold monopropellant rocket engine using injection of calciumpermanganate solution as a decomposition catalyst. 80% conc. H2O2 was used. Shortly after this, the same company supplied the rocket engine to the Messerschmidt Me 163B Komet. This engine was a hot bipropellent rocket engine. 80% conc. H2O2 was used as the oxidizer. As the organic liquid fuel a mixture called " C-Stoff " was used. It contained hydrazine hydrate and methyl alcohol. C-Stoff was self-igniting (aka hypergolic), so no other decomposition catalyst was needed in this engine. Probably the most well-known application of H2O2 during WW II was in the V2-rocket for the turbo-pump gas generator. Hydrogen peroxide was used in several other applications by the Germans, like in submarines and torpedos, but the most frequently used device was a catapult operated on 80-85% H2O2 and calciumpermanganate solution. Several hundreds of these catapults were produced and each catapult was used many times. Post WW II - 1980's Many different peroxide propulsion projects were launched in UK, USA and in the Soviet Union after WWII. The most successful development were probably the English Black Knight/Black Arrow projects. These were rocket engines produced by Rolls Royce. The concept was based on the bipropellant principle. 83-87% H2O2 was used as the oxidizer. In the early stages of the English projects the hydrogen peroxide was still produced in Germany! Later on the English company La Porte took over the production. The H2O2 was decomposed on a silver wire mesh catalyst and kerosene was used as the organic fuel. The United State Air Force and the Marines used H2O2 propelled engines after WWII. The standard rocket grade H2O2 in the US had a concentration of 90%. General Electric produced a Hybrid Rocket Engine. The H2O2 was decomposed on a silver mesh catalyst and the organic solid fuel was polyethylene. When jet engines were developed after the war, the peroxide propulsion rocket engines in the field of jet aviation became obsolete. In the field of space exploration, other fuels with a higher specific impulse replaced hydrogen peroxide. These new systems were much more complicated and expensive. They were in many cases also poisonous or cancerogenic or harmful to the environment. At that time in history, these things were less important than winning the cold war and the race to the moon! The only military field in which peroxide propulsion survived the cold war was as torpedo engines. Regular production of rocket grade hydrogen peroxide stopped in the US in the middle of the 1980's. Even if the use in the military sector and in space declined, a couple of very interesting and fascinating uses were developed during this time period that are still in use, even if they are yet not wide spread: * One is the Personal Rocket Belt, developed by Wendell at Bell Aircraft Company. US Patent 3021095. One version of this back pack rocket was flying at the opening cermony of the Los Angeles Olympic Games 1984. This event has etched itslef into many peoples minds! For the general public it is by far the best known application of hydrogen peroxide rocket technology. * The other application is the rotor tip rocket for helicopters, developed by Gilbert W Magill and others. US Patent 4473199. These patents have expired at this time. If you want to read them, go here and punch in " US " and the patent number. 1990's - present The good news are that hydrogen peroxide has seen a great deal of renewed interest in the 1990s. There are many reasons for this. Most important I believe is its minimal environmental impact, simplicity of handling and lower cost. Since 1998 there have been six (!) International Hydrogen Peroxide Propulsion Conferences. Civil scientists and organizations like ESA, NASA and Russian organizations cooperate openly and peacefully in the field. ***************************************************** My statement was and is correct! Chuck Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at the bowling alley. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. 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Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Listen, I never said nor did I mean that I was right and they were wrong. And I'm not insensitive either, for the most part. I'm getting that way over this issue because of the continual 'nit picking'. The guy said his comment was 'tongue in cheek' immediately after realizing that some people didn't get it. But somehow that wasn't enough. They still don't want to get it or let it go. THAT IS a girl thing!!! I have my moments too!!! But not in public. GR ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: RE: Re: h202 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:43:41 -0700 Just because you were so sure it was a joke, doesn't mean anyone else felt that way nor does it mean you are right and they are wrong. You just can't be that insensitive. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Re: h202 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:26:28 -0400 From: " Sherri-Lee Pressman " <sherri--lee@...> >Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! >> >>100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... >> >>Chuck " > >I see no comment about the " dangers of concentrated H202. > >I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although >incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. Please....... I wonder if we could let this go now? I am a freedom loving American, who is getting more distressed by the day by the trashing of our Constitution and the ever increasing erosion of our freedoms. When I saw Chuck's comment, I burst out laughing. Comic relief like this is sometimes just " what the doctor ordered " . Perhaps because I, too, have seen Chuck on several other lists it never crossed my mind to take this comment seriously. This is just typical American humor to me, and in these very trying times, I'm grateful for the laugh. Back to oxygen therapies? Sharon OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:45:12 -0700, Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@...> wrote: >Great thanks for the info to verify your claim. I stand corrected. This >could have been a much more enjoyable exchange had you just decided to not >be snide through out it. > >Sherri-Lee You're quite welcome, but I beg to differ on your " snide " comment. May I point out that it was not I that took umbrage, thus you had first opportunity to set the tone of the thread (also the last opportunity). Chuck Lyndon used to say, " If two people agree about everything, you may be sure that one of them is doing all the thinking. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Chuckling. Well, knowing Chuck, I am sure this was a joke. Something to 'Chuck'le at. Smile Donna http://www.excellentthings.com RE: h202 Oh come on! How ridiculous. It is this silly tattling attitude that has us living looking over our shoulder worrying that our neighbours will call and report us because we water on the wrong day. Really! Sherri-Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Much to do about nothing, where is Jim Lambert when we need him, you'd all be banned for being off topic...Dean On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:24 PM, CountryGirl wrote: > Chuckling. Well, knowing Chuck, I am sure this was a joke. > Something to 'Chuck'le at. > > Smile > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.com > RE: h202 > > > Oh come on! How ridiculous. It is this silly tattling attitude > that has us > living looking over our shoulder worrying that our neighbours > will call and > report us because we water on the wrong day. > > Really! > > Sherri-Lee > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Ok Chuck, I don't have any more time to waste on this with you. I stand by everything I said. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Re: h202 On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:45:12 -0700, Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@...> wrote: >Great thanks for the info to verify your claim. I stand corrected. This >could have been a much more enjoyable exchange had you just decided to not >be snide through out it. > >Sherri-Lee You're quite welcome, but I beg to differ on your " snide " comment. May I point out that it was not I that took umbrage, thus you had first opportunity to set the tone of the thread (also the last opportunity). Chuck Lyndon used to say, " If two people agree about everything, you may be sure that one of them is doing all the thinking. " OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Open your mind and the experience will astound you. Leary and that guy who wrote One Flew Over A Cuckoos Nest and The Electric Koolaide Acid Test(Ken Keysy) were brilliant individuals. Sorry to be off topic. GR you're right,not in public. This is a public domain site unless Saul Bans Me. Regardless, I stand behind him due to his helpfulness.(My opinion only). I appreciate the existence of the Site. Of coures I could call or mail members incognito,I enjoy having the opportunity to read replies from a diverse community that is offering their personal experiences and possible suggestions and perhaps solutions. I have a Living Aire Unit and a few Ionic Breese Units,but I'm not a rep. for either one. gypsy rose <gypsy___rose@...> wrote: Listen, I never said nor did I mean that I was right and they were wrong. And I'm not insensitive either, for the most part. I'm getting that way over this issue because of the continual 'nit picking'. The guy said his comment was 'tongue in cheek' immediately after realizing that some people didn't get it. But somehow that wasn't enough. They still don't want to get it or let it go. THAT IS a girl thing!!! I have my moments too!!! But not in public. GR ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: RE: Re: h202 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:43:41 -0700 Just because you were so sure it was a joke, doesn't mean anyone else felt that way nor does it mean you are right and they are wrong. You just can't be that insensitive. Sherri-Lee Need safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Re: Re: h202 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:26:28 -0400 From: " Sherri-Lee Pressman " <sherri--lee@...> >Here is what you said as a reminder: > > " Quick, give your friend's name to Homeland Security! >> >>100% h2o2 is rocket fuel... >> >>Chuck " > >I see no comment about the " dangers of concentrated H202. > >I see your so called tongue in cheek humour and a statement (although >incorrect) that H202 is rocket fuel. Please....... I wonder if we could let this go now? I am a freedom loving American, who is getting more distressed by the day by the trashing of our Constitution and the ever increasing erosion of our freedoms. When I saw Chuck's comment, I burst out laughing. Comic relief like this is sometimes just " what the doctor ordered " . Perhaps because I, too, have seen Chuck on several other lists it never crossed my mind to take this comment seriously. This is just typical American humor to me, and in these very trying times, I'm grateful for the laugh. Back to oxygen therapies? Sharon OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Christel, Under 75 degrees, it will be good for 6 months. To keep it indefinitely, put it in the freezer. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman Re: H202, ooo > The H2O2 is good for a few weeks, although it will be offgassing. You may > want to open the lids every couple of days to prevent it building up > pressure and bursting the plastic container. > Thank you Saul. > This is for 2 weeks since it was exposed to extreme heat. > How long does it stay potent when kept in airconditioned surroundings? > Christel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Actually the acid in the stomach doesn't bother it much. If that was the case everything we injested wouldn't go into our blood stream and organs. Acids in the stomach kills the bad stuff. Hydrogen Peroxide therapy stimulate the movement of oxygen atoms from the bloodstream to the cells to a greater degree than is usually reached by other means. With higher levels of oxygen in the tissues, bacteria and viruses are killed along with defective tissue cells; normal cells survive and multiplymore rapidly; and the result is a healthier body. From: YES!! <readthesmile@...> Subject: H202 cures for AIDS Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:50 AM  Seems from what I have researched the H202 will be disolved before it even gets into the stomach let alone small intestine. So looks like the only way for it to be active would be a capsule that would disolve after it has passed the stomach.. Just wondering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I understand but the chemistry indicates once H202 comes into contact with body fluid ( esophagus etc..) it turns into H20. So not doubting the efacy of H202 but wonder if there is a better delivery method. Have read that enema is better to get the H202 where it needs to go. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 1:54:06 PM Subject: Re: H202  Actually the acid in the stomach doesn't bother it much. If that was the case everything we injested wouldn't go into our blood stream and organs. Acids in the stomach kills the bad stuff. Hydrogen Peroxide therapy stimulate the movement of oxygen atoms from the bloodstream to the cells to a greater degree than is usually reached by other means. With higher levels of oxygen in the tissues, bacteria and viruses are killed along with defective tissue cells; normal cells survive and multiplymore rapidly; and the result is a healthier body. From: YES!! <readthesmile> Subject: H202 cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:50 AM  Seems from what I have researched the H202 will be disolved before it even gets into the stomach let alone small intestine. So looks like the only way for it to be active would be a capsule that would disolve after it has passed the stomach.. Just wondering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Several elements like Chlorine can alter the chemical chain to turn it from H2O2 to H2O but not stomach acid.  It depends what is aerobic or anaerobic. Some foods we eat have bad bacteria in them that's what gets destroyed. Not the good bacterias and not H2O2. H2O2 enemas are also very helpful. I know many people who benefit from those as well. I'm looking to trying that next month. I personally spoke to a doctor that injects H2O2 through IV and he told me H2O2 is the best thing you could give to your body. He also told me white blood cells have been proven use H2O2 to kill viruses and bacterias.  From: YES!! <readthesmile> Subject: H202 cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:50 AM  Seems from what I have researched the H202 will be disolved before it even gets into the stomach let alone small intestine. So looks like the only way for it to be active would be a capsule that would disolve after it has passed the stomach.. Just wondering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi, Guess I have to look into it further. I did H202 for about a month that is when I got thrush so stopped. I can see the reasoning though.. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 2:24:31 PM Subject: Re: H202  Several elements like Chlorine can alter the chemical chain to turn it from H2O2 to H2O but not stomach acid.  It depends what is aerobic or anaerobic. Some foods we eat have bad bacteria in them that's what gets destroyed. Not the good bacterias and not H2O2. H2O2 enemas are also very helpful. I know many people who benefit from those as well. I'm looking to trying that next month. I personally spoke to a doctor that injects H2O2 through IV and he told me H2O2 is the best thing you could give to your body. He also told me white blood cells have been proven use H2O2 to kill viruses and bacterias.  From: YES!! <readthesmile> Subject: H202 cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:50 AM  Seems from what I have researched the H202 will be disolved before it even gets into the stomach let alone small intestine. So looks like the only way for it to be active would be a capsule that would disolve after it has passed the stomach.. Just wondering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 What do you mean you got " thrush " ? I did get flu like symptoms for a while. According to the protocol you're supposed to get these symptoms when your body begins the healing process. It only lasted for 2 days. Recently my skin has been dry (I'm keeping it moist with aloe) and my scalp has been dry (treating it with Coconut oil) I sent out an e-mail to several places to get an answer to why my skin was acting like this and I got a response from someone who is an expert in Healing, this is what she had to say.... Don, Sounds like the DIE-OFF reaction is taking place. You can try exfoliating your skin to help expedite the healing. Be patient, if you are like the rest of us, it will take time for everything to surface. Happy Healing, Hugs, Penny From: YES!! <readthesmile> Subject: H202 cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:50 AM  Seems from what I have researched the H202 will be disolved before it even gets into the stomach let alone small intestine. So looks like the only way for it to be active would be a capsule that would disolve after it has passed the stomach.. Just wondering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Hi All, I'm going to try brushing my teeth with hydrogen peroxide 3%, 50% mixed with 50% water. Where can I buy H202 from: what type of shop? I live in the UK. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 > > Hi All, > I'm going to try brushing my teeth with hydrogen peroxide 3%, 50% mixed with 50% water. Where can I buy H202 from: what type of shop? I live in the UK. +++Hi . Most drug stores sell 3% H202. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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